September 4th, 2008 at 06:10pm Matt Margolis
For your viewing pleasure:
Irony.
Another GOP rising star…
Excerpts from McCain’s speech tonight…
A former Obama supporter is converted…
UPDATE: From our reader Kahn:
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87 Comments
1. Obama08 | September 4th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Americans were introduced to a sarcastic, condescending gimmick who was put on the ticket for “bullshit” reasons.
America saw first hand that the modern GOP is still the same old Bush/Cheney GOP, a hypocritical farce of a once great party.
One poll shows you are tied and you declare victory, eh?
Well I doubt party insiders are so confident and will instruct all those “community organizers” to pack up their clipboards and voter registration tables and pop a bottle of bubbly.
The developing narrative is that while you want America to believe you are the party of the people, you still have among your ranks people who wear $300,000 dresses.
Meanwhile in Reality Land, jobless claims are up the stock market dropped 300 points and banks borrowed another nearly $20 Billion from the Fed.
If this continues do you think anyone is going to give a shit that Palin can hunt a moose or drop silly one liners about the big bad ol’ liberal media?
2. kimberly4victory | September 4th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
She beat Biden … the other VP pick … LOL!!
Why don’t they include cspan? That’s what I was watching … no talking heads.
3. yekepyt | September 4th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
I watched her speech, so count me among the 37,244,000. I wish that every American could have seen the speech.
4. Ryan | September 4th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
ANd productivity was up and. . .
YOu know, selectively cherrypicking economic statistics doesn’t make your narrative true.
5. WhatChange | September 4th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Hold on. Biden received 1% of the Democrat vote in Iowa and 3% of the Dem vote in his home state of Delaware and received 4500 for the entire 58 state primary. All you cons do is talk about viewers, not actual voters.
Bevis/Butthead 08
6. kimberly4victory | September 4th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
19.5 million women watched …
“Confederate grey with Jackie O’s pearls! Sarah Palin was awesome. I disagree with her on many issues (actually, I am on board with energy independence), but I don’t care. She has my vote and I very much look forward to Clinton vs. Palin in 2012. She absolutely shredded Obama. And if I have to listen to one more male commentator tell me that Hillary voters will not vote for her, I really will scream. Thank you John McCain for being man enough to select a strong woman as your running mate. She will be our solace as we move forward to beat Obama, reclaim our party, drive the misogynists out of the media, and move forward to 2012.”
7. Obama08 | September 4th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Ryan:
Increased productivity should translate to better wages and perhaps even affordable health care for those who work.
Yet wages are down, costs are up.
So all the profits from that productivity goes into the pockets of people that can afford to have more houses than they can remember and also to the purchase of $300,000 dresses.
The party of the people, my ass.
8. Casper | September 4th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
I think a lot of people watched because they were curious. That doesn’t necessarily transfer into votes. The next few days will show whether she is a plus or a minus on the ticket.
9. neocon | September 4th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Here’s the other thing. Sarah’s speech was only covered by six stations. Obamas was covered by ten. Average that out and Palin kicked his ass.
Casper,
And no one watched Obama out of curiousity. The level of liberal denial and delusion is delightful.
10. neocon | September 4th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Obama08,
You complain more than my grandkids. Life must suck for you, and it actually delights me.
I despise whiners. I hope Palin wins if only to make you more miserable.
11. neocon | September 4th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Don’t miss the O’Reilly/Obama interview.
Palin Power!
12. bongoman | September 4th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Why not just shuffle the ticket and put Palin first?
13. Casper | September 4th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
neocon,
“And no one watched Obama out of curiousity. The level of liberal denial and delusion is delightful.”
I said the other night that I thought a lot of Obama’s audience was made up of people wondering about him. Now the question; Who did the speeches help the most? I guess, we will have an idea in the next few days.
14. Kahn | September 4th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
neocon, Obama)* is one of those guys that had to go along with it when his girl friend killed his baby rather than have a kid with him. It warps them. Turns them kind of crazy.
On the one hand, they are all for “choice” and they really did want a HDTV. On the other hand, they get no love from the landfill on fathers day. And deep inside there is a longing for the love of a child that will never be.
15. Kahn | September 4th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Casper, why did you never denounce the viscous attacks on Palin’s kids over the weekend?
Do you denounce Daily KOS now? The other liberals who called for paternity tests and called Palin’s daughter the vilest of names?
16. Obama08 | September 4th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Neocon:
Yeah, all just a nation of “whiners” who suffer from a recession that is only mental in nature.
Gee who knew that events like a 344 point drop in the stock market are just the tricks on the mind.
Oh and I guess the death spiral of the U.S. auto industry is just mere mental anguish, a result of course from sipping a little too much latte.
You guys crack me up.
17. Kahn | September 4th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Ha! The GDP rose last quarter and Unions are destroying Detroit. Japanese and German car makers making cars here are doing just fine. Honda is in Ohio.
The economy IS better than you want to admit. It MUST be. You wouldn’t recommend massively raising taxes if it wasn’t, would you?
But hey, why not say Palin should stay home and watch her kids? Maybe call them names some more?
18. Rich | September 4th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Obama has been running for President for 4 years. Palin has been running for vice-president for 5 days. Draws same amount of viewers. Seems like America might be interested in her.
19. Kahn | September 4th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
But ONE more thing. You complain about the “death spiral” of the US auto industry. BUT, you don’t want more oil? Do liberal cars run on bull crap?
20. Danish Artist | September 4th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Also count the fact that there was not star performances last night for Sarah Palin, unlike the Chosen One who has spoken before “record crowds” when coincidentally there was also a concert scheduled.
The sharks are circling and they smell blood.
21. neocon | September 4th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Obama08,
I am a self employed, middle class businessman and enjoying a fairly good year considering the challenges. So let’s not over react.
What percent of the mortgages nationwide are in default? Do you know? Why is the stock market so volatile? Do you know?
I suspect you don’t. I think you have a very immature understanding of economic forces.
22. A-10 | September 4th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Obama08,
“you still have among your ranks people who wear $300,000 dresses.”
And the Democrats don’t? You don’t think Teresa Heinz-Kerry has a $300,000 dress. Or Oprah? Or any of the other liberal women on the Forbes 400 list?
And besides, if a person has $300,000 to spend on a dress, why not let them. Think of all the people who benefited from that purchase: The dress store owner, the employees at the dress store, the dress making company and their employees, all the people who benefited from the above spending the $300,000 they got for the dress. The list goes on.
I think Obama08 is jealous he/she doesn’t have a $300,000 dress.
23. theresa | September 4th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
I think Sarah Palin was pretty ignorant last night as both she and Guiliani bashed Obama for his “community service”. While it may not be the experience you are looking for it sends a wrong message out there for those who do serve their community whether volunteer or paid! Community service allows others to contribute to a society that already is so selfish and experience cultural diversity, working with the poor, the sick I could go one. What kind of message does this send our children?
Let me say one more thing, as a woman, a mother and who had a pregnant teenage daughter. You don’t know what to expect when that child comes. A young girl needs her mom by her side after delivery and to lend guidance where she can. Now she is leaving the care of her own newborn with a disability and a daughter who will no doubt need her quite a bit in the hands of others. Good example Big mouth!
You may think you are a leader, but I am not going to follow you. I am afraid where I might end up.
24. Nate | September 4th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
the former obama supporter was not converted by palin — he already supported mccain, albeit a bit hesitantly — “I initially became part of the “Screw It, McCain 2008″ brigade.”
so, while i know this will have no impact, please stop your misrepresentations
25. neocon | September 4th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
theresa,
Please vote for Obama. He will tuck you in at night, take care of your problems and maybe even help you with sentence structure.
26. navydad | September 4th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Kahn
Sorry to be off topic, but Obama08 needs to be corrected.
I know, as a tier-one supplier to BMW, Chrysler, Ford, GM, Lexus and VW, Obama08 has NO FREAKIN CLUE as to what caused the so-called auto industry “spiral”.
The fact (from the horse’s-mouth) is that the UAW has screwed itself and the American public with the legacy tax (a built-in tax that covers retirements etc.) which is included in all Big Three auto manufacturer’s costs.
In addition, UAW members have screwed themselves and Americans…again by demanding equal pay for all jobs, eg., an assembly line worker that installs dome tags (for you morons, that’s a stick-on label) is paid relatively the same as a CNC programer (for your morons, CNC stands for computer numerically controlled). So why should the dome tag installer (which could be done by a monkey) be paid the same as an NC operator??
The unions in this country have screwed themselves and at the same time screwed all Americans.
27. Casper | September 4th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Kahn,
“Casper, why did you never denounce the viscous attacks on Palin’s kids over the weekend?”
Actually, I said several threads ago that the families on both sides should be left alone.
“Do you denounce Daily KOS now? The other liberals who called for paternity tests and called Palin’s daughter the vilest of names?”
Why should I? Are you going to denounce BFV because of some of the vile comments made by some of the posters here. Heck, I’ve never seen you denounce anyone on the right regardless of what vile things they have said. Does that mean you agree with all of them no matter how racist, sexist. or homophobic they appear?
My opinions are my own. I reserve the right to agree or disagree with anyone, right or left. I don’t feel it’s my job to denounce everyone or everything I disagree with.
28. neocon | September 4th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
navy,
Correct me if I am wrong but I have also read where entitlements (health care and retirement benefits) are being paid out in enormous sums by the auto companies to long ago retired union workers.
29. A-10 | September 4th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
theresa,
“I think Sarah Palin was pretty ignorant last night as both she and Guiliani bashed Obama for his ?community service?. ”
Neither Gov Palin or Mayor Guiliani did anything of the sort. Senator Obama was not performing “community service” when he was a “community organizer.” Someone performing “community service” is typically not paid. A “community organizer”, as what Senator Obama did, is a paid position.
Examples of “community service” include: building homes with Habitat for Humanity;
cleaning up trash on the side of the highways;
helping out the elderly in nursing homes; or working with Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts.
A “community organizer” is paid to form groups of people for a specific purpose, such as: Getting more funds for projects; protests; or for political purposes.
The father of modern “community organizing” was Saul Alinsky, a Marxist organizer. Alinsky wrote “Rules for Radicals,” the “bible” for “community organizers” which begins with a tribute to the Devil - Lucifer. Both Senator Obama and Senator Clinton were followers of Alinsky. Senator Clinton wrote her senior thesis on Alinsky and was offered a job by him. Senator Obama was hired by some of Alinsky’s students to be a “community organizer” in Chicago.
So, no, Senator Obama was not pJanuaryerforming “community service”, he was a paid political organizer. Big difference.
30. navydad | September 4th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Neo
You’re correct Neo, however, I’m no economist, so I’ll defer any real economic questions to DL or Spook…they both have more experience as beancounters than I.
But as far as entiltilements are concerned, we’re all being fleeced.
31. navydad | September 4th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Casper,
With all due respect, if you consider the conservative attacks here as vile…you’re a bigger pussy than I thought. Especially after some of the Iranian Student, Steve and others that have made over-the-top accusations…with no facts to back them up 99% of the time! This type of behavior deserves harsh words in some cases.
32. A-10 | September 4th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Yikes, were did that stray “January” come from in “performing”?
theresa,
Why do you think Gov Palin will neglect her daughter and grand-daughter is she is elected Vice President. She hasn’t been neglecting them for the past 8 years she has served in elected office. There is no reason to believe she will in the future.
Do you have the same concerns about the Obama’s? After all, if Senator Obama is elected President, I’m sure he will be as busy, if not busier, than Gov Palin will be as Vice President.
If you ask me, you sound a bit sexist.
33. navydad | September 4th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
But you’re still okay…Casper….LOL!!
34. neocon | September 4th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Casper is actually my favorite liberal poster. I respect his opinion and often he makes some good points. He also watched my back the other night, that shows class.
I still disagree with you politically though Casper. Don’t miss the McCain Townhall speech tonight.
35. Casper | September 4th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
navydad,
I didn’t say ALL conservative attacks were vile. I disagree with any attacks that are racist, sexist, or homophobic regardless of who who makes them. I have come out against people from both sides who are over the top. I respect and like a lot of the posters on this site from both ends of the political arena. Maybe it’s because i think of us all as Americans first.
36. xaviercugat | September 4th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Ye shall reap what ye has sowed, chapter 510..
37. Thrower | September 4th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
I agree with Navydad that the UAW with the foolish collusion of management has destroyed the Detroit auto industry. They are helped along by the reality that the health care costs borne by American car companies are generally entitlements in other countries. The dilemma in this whole lousy scenario is that the auto industry took off when Henry Ford raised the pay of his employees to a level where they could afford to buy his cars. Somewhere there is a balance we’ve completely lost at this point.
As a long term community service volunteer, I have to say A-10 doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Volunteers are much of the labor force but the organizers are the brains. They identify and screen clients, marshal corporate and other partners, deploy assets and evaluate results. I continue to think Palin made a huge blunder mocking the contribution community organizers make to American society. That cheap shot along with the laughing response of a well heeled convention crowd might well haunt her for years.
38. Kahn | September 4th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Ummmm, Michelle Obama is the major breadwinner in her family, not Barack. Her $350K a year lawyer job pays way more than his Senate gig.
By the way, as her hospitals lawyer, her OFFICIAL position is to defend it’s dumping and rejection of poor black patients. Nice.
39. Retired Spook | September 4th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
While we’re waiting for McCain’s speech, here’s a good read from Thomas Sowell (this came to me as an email, so I don’t know the source):
40. Casper | September 4th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
“Ummmm, Michelle Obama is the major breadwinner in her family, not Barack. Her $350K a year lawyer job pays way more than his Senate gig.”
And that is a problem how? You realize that Sarah Palin makes a lot more than her husband Todd does, don’t you?
41. neocon | September 4th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
I continue to think Palin made a huge blunder mocking the contribution community organizers make to American society. - Thrower
You’ve got to be kidding me. Liberals have offended nearly every subset of people imaginable at one time or another. It mostly has been military families and walmart shoppers the last few years, but just recently they decided to offend mothers.
Great job.
42. Casper | September 4th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Kahn,
Come to think of it, who makes the most money in the McCain family?
43. A-10 | September 4th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Thrower,
As a long time volunteer and current Executive Director of a volunteer organization, I know exactly what I am talking about. There is a huge difference between what I am doing and probably what you are doing, and what Senator Obama was doing as a community organizer, walking in the steps of Saul Alinsky. It was, in fact, the students of Saul Alinsky who hired Senator Obama to be a community organizer.
The whole issue, as I posted on another thread, is that Senator Obama belittled Gov Palin’s service as a Mayor and mentioned his community organizer work. What Gov Palin said is that being a Mayor of a small city is like being a community organizer (and it is), but that Mayors actually have responsibily. As others have mentioned, Mayors cannot just walk away when the going gets tough. A community organizer can. Mayors have to make executive decisions and live with the consequences. Community organizers do not.
Again, had not the Senator attacked her service as a Mayor, we wouldn’t even be talking about this.
44. Kahn | September 4th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Casper, sorry for your confusion. That was in respone to theresa.
45. Rich | September 4th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Thrower- When your opponent opens a door, you go through it and smack him. Obama’s camp said Palin didn’t have experience because she was mayor of a small town, and falsely compared his experience as a senator to that of hers as a mayor. Obama has stated his time as a community organizer gave him experience to be president. She rightly zinged him on it. A paid community organizer is not the same thing as a community volunteer, so stop whining. Obama left an opening and he needs to take his medicine on it. Your fake outrage just shows it was a good shot. P.S. I have done habitat for humanity and also mentored for years, and I in no way felt I was being talked down to.
46. Kahn | September 4th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Well yah Casper - you’re agreeing with me. So these sexist attacks about Palin abandoning her kids are bunk. Agreed?
47. A-10 | September 4th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Kahn,
And all of our liberal friends who comment here conveniently ignore that Senator Obama provided a $1,000,000 earmark for her employer right after Mrs. Obama was given a promotion and a HUGE pay raise.
But, I’m sure there was nothing unethical about that. Nothing at all.
48. navydad | September 4th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Thrower,
How many so-called “community organizers” can you name, other than Jethie Aadackson, Obama and who else? Personally the title is code for mule-lopping-wannabee-government-employee with aspirations on the backs of the taxpayers.
As you know, I did my time with the DOE and after 13 years or so, I couldn’t stand how low the bar of productivity was set. Hence, my own business, where my earning potential isn’t based on tax dollars, conversely it’s based on performance…something that lacks terribly in government.
49. Kahn | September 4th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
community organizers are not elected, nor re-elected.
50. kimberly4victory | September 4th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Correction!! More than 40M watched Sarah Palin. I win. :-)
http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080904/ap_en_tv/cvn_palin_s_audience
51. Kahn | September 4th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Ha, lets hope this certain community organizer isn’t elected or re-elected.
52. neocon | September 4th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Liberals are making idiots of themselves again.
53. navydad | September 4th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
McCain handled it well…ground noise and static…lol!
54. hermie | September 4th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
And as a ‘community organizer’ just what problems did Obama solve?
The Chicago schools are still on the ropes.
The Chicago, Cook County and Illinois government finances are still ready to collapse.
There are still substandard housing units.
There are still families on welfare, going into the 3rd and 4th generation.
There still are drugs, crime, political corruption, nepotism in government, and nowhere did Obama do anything to change anything, except get himself elected to public office.
55. Thrower | September 4th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
I’m even more confused now A-10. If you are indeed in the volunteer sector, how can you have such contempt for people who do thankless work for crappy pay? If Obama unfairly criticized the work of small town mayors, correct the record. That’s fair. But to belittle people you do not even know and whose work you clearly do not understand (at least those that work in “Habitat” like organizations) should and will have blowback.
56. FactCheck | September 4th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
how can you have such contempt for people who do thankless work for crappy pay?
Because he feels it’s politically expedient to be that way.
57. A-10 | September 5th, 2008 at 12:45 am
Thrower,
I’m not belittling those who do “community service” (working with Habitat for Humanity and other very worthwhile organizations). I have 100 volunteers in our organization and we couldn’t accomplish our mission without them.
I am questioning the left elevating Senator Obama’s stint with a Marxist’s follower’s group as a “community organizer” to “executive experience”.
Both you and I know Senator Obama was not organizing volunteers to build homes for the homeless. He was helping people and groups to band together to strongarm local politicians in order to get what they want. Now, sometimes this can be a positive or good thing. Perhaps it was with Senator Obama. The record is not clear. Unfortunately, the MSM refuses to do its job and dig into Senator Obama background, like they are doing with Gov Palin and her entire family.
The crux of the entire “community organizer” vs “community service” vs service as a Mayor debate is Senator Obama’s direct criticism of Gov Palin’s service as the Mayor of Wasilla. (Which he pronounced “Wasilly”. And I think that was intentional) He equated his time as a community organizer and running for President as superior executive experience to Gov Palin’s time as Mayor, completely ignoring her time as Governor. It was a deliberate omission. He knew what he was doing. Now he has to pay the price of insulting small city Mayors across America. That’s politics. If he can’t stand the heat, he can always drop out of the race.
Now take your BDS medicine (It also works if you have PDS) and try to be serious for a minute. Both you and I know that serving as a Mayor for 6 years provides much more executive and governing experience than working as a “community organizer.” A Mayor has statutory duties and responsibilities and is held accountable by the electorate. They cannot shirk their responsibilities or oath of office, lest they suffer the fate of Mayor Kilpatrick.
A “community organizer” does not have nearly the level of responsibility as a Mayor. You are fooling yourself if you think they do.
I do not think Gov Palin was intentionally or unintentionally disparaged the work of those doing “community service.” After all she served on the local PTA, which is equivalent to Senator Obama’s time as a “community organizer.” In fact they are just about the same in scope of duties.
You stated: ” If Obama unfairly criticized the work of small town mayors, correct the record.”
That is not for you or me to do. That is for Senator Obama to do. He is the one who should apologize to the thousands of small town Mayors which he insulted. Not you. Not me.
I also think it is foolish for Senator Obama to continually compare his experience (or lack, thereof) to that of Gov Palin. She isn’t running against him. Senator McCain is. She has more executive and governing experience.
Sure, Senator Obama has a glowing resume, but what has he accomplished? Yes, he was President of the Law Review. Real swell, but not relevant. “Community organizer?” Ok, but what did he accomplish there? State Legislator? Voted “present” over 130 times. US Senator? Only in session for 143 days. No noteworthy legistation at either the state or federal level. The resume looks great, but it is lacking in accomplishments. Where has he led? Where has he actually governed? Running for President isn’t governing and it doesn’t give one executive experience. His campaign manager is getting executive experience, but Senator Obama is not.
This obviously has struck a raw nerve with the left. Its perfectly fine for you to criticise the experience of the GOP candidate for VP, but the experience of your Presidential candidate is off-limits? Do we need to add that to the list of things we cannot talk about, along with his name (which I do not ridicule), his ears, his wife? (regardless of her comments and campaigning)
Your candidate is being exposed as lacking in experience, lacking in substance, lacking in judgement, lacking in common sense, and lacking in character. I think you picked the wrong candidate. Senator Clinton would have been a much stronger candidate for the Donks.
58. Thrower | September 5th, 2008 at 3:28 am
Thoughtful reply, A-10 and I respect your opinion right up until the Clinton advice. She is the candidate you wanted. You have nearly twenty years of bile collected against her, and there are a lot of us who don’t think much more of her than you do. You would have beaten her in a romp.
I also accept your assurance that you are not belittling community workers but Palin did. I think that is a mistake that will haunt her.
Of course community organizing is not executive experience unless you are running the organization. Who elevated that to a bar any candidate had to clear? Kennedy had none. LBJ had none. Nixon had none. They all had flaws but the job was not beyond their capabilities.
Palin may be there some day, but she has had no more responsibility to date than the mayor of San Diego (and most of them suck). Argue talent and I might listen, but her experience is a non-starter with me.
59. A-10 | September 5th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Thower,
“I also accept your assurance that you are not belittling community workers but Palin did.”
That is a lie. Both you and I know she wasn’t talking about “community workers”. She was talking about a Presidential candidate and his campaign who is touting his time as a political activist as being executive experience. It isn’t. He wasn’t in charge. He wasn’t a decision maker. He had no responsibility.
Its funny how the left has tried to spin his time with a Saul Alinsky inspired group into “community service” and “executive experience.” Pathetic. But that’s what liberals do when they have been pwned.
“Palin may be there some day, but she has had no more responsibility to date than the mayor of San Diego”
You have got to be joking. No more responsibilty than the mayor of San Diego? Last time I checked, the Mayor of San Diego was not the Commander-in-Chief of a State National Guard and Defense Force. The Mayor of San Diego does not have the responsibility to deal with two foreign countries. Gov Palin does. A Mayor does not sign legislation into law. A Governor does. Laws which take precedence over any city ordinance. I checked a map and it seems that the good Mayor of San Diego is responsible for about 372 sq miles of land and water within the city, while Gov Palin is responsible for over 656,000 sq miles, only about 1,700 times more territory she’s responsible for. Gov Palin is responsible for the largest oil and natural gas reserves in the US, as under the Alaska Constitution, those resources remain the property of the State of Alaska and its people. I’m not sure, but I don’t know if San Diego has any oil or natural gas reserves.
I could go on and on, but you get the point. Your supposition is laughable. But even if it were true, that would mean that neither Senator Obama or Senator Biden have had any more responsibility to date than the Wasilla, Alaska dog catcher.
“Of course community organizing is not executive experience unless you are running the organization.”
Correct, and Senator Obama wasn’t.
“Who elevated that to a bar any candidate had to clear?”
Senator Obama. Don’t you pay attention?
As a test, I talked to some of our volunteers this morning and asked them if they were offended about Gov Palin’s “slam” on “community workers.” They didn’t have a clue what I was talking about, and, yes, they did watch the speech. When I explained what you guys are trying to spin, they laughed. So, I’m not thinking it will hurt her at all. No more than the lie that Trig was not her son. Or the lie that she tried to ban books from the Wasilla Library. Or the lie that she’ll probably get impeached. Or the lie that she was a member of the AIP. Or the lie that she wasn;t properly vetted. All the liberals/Dinks have are lies.
60. Some Assembly Required | September 5th, 2008 at 8:33 am
A-10, earlier you said you were a retired captain that still works contracts for the defense department. Now, your an executive director of a volunteer organization too. Your just flowing with creditability. Seems your personal experiences change with your candidates issues.
61. A-10 | September 5th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Some Ass…,
“A-10, earlier you said you were a retired captain that still works contracts for the defense department. Now, your an executive director of a volunteer organization too. Your just flowing with creditability. Seems your personal experiences change with your candidates issues.”
Like a typical liberal, your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking. I never stated my retired rank. I did state that Senator McCain retired as a Navy Captain.
I also did not state I “still work contracts for the defense department.” I said I was a contracted employee of the DoD. There is a difference.
Did it ever dawn on you that I might just be a DoD contracted employee who is also the Executive Director of a volunteer organization?
You see, we conservatives can multi-task. While in active military service, I was also the Exec Dir of this volunteer organization besides my military duties. I continue this role as a contracted employee. All the while raising four sons and finding time to play a few rounds of golf once in a while. Oh, and when needed, I work as an election official.
Kind of like a certain Governor who can run a state, raise 5 kids, and still find time to hunt, fish, and watch her husband win snow machine races.
Aren’t you just sick with envy at all we conservatives can do.
62. Some Assembly Required | September 5th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
A-10, it’s suspect. You claim vast knowledge and experience on Military issues then turn around and claim the same know how with regards to community service and organizing. As if to imply that it’s fine for you to discredit or speak ill of it because you yourself have been one. As I said, suspect. You have proven yourself to be as credible as Mr. Noonan. Typical wingnut.
63. Some Assembly Required | September 5th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
You’d think with all that experience you’d be running for president. You apparently seem to have the same amounts of experience as candidates on the issues which they choose to run or attack on.
64. A-10 | September 5th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Ass…,
You can suspect all you want. Ask “Former Spook” if my credentials check out.
I did spend 27 years in the military - 20 on active duty.
I have been the Exec Dir of a volunteer org for the past 12 years. 4 of those years overlapped my military career.
I was entrusted with the security and well being of the President of the United States, his family, and guests. And I have the Presidential Service Badge and Certificate to prove it. I even have my old orders granting me a Top Secret Clearance (SBI) with White House access.
I know things that you only dream of. Only I can’t tell you about them. If I did, I’d not only break several federal laws, I’d have to….you know the line. In fact, I have never told even my family about them, and my wife has visited where I worked on several occasions.
I did spend over six years in a Spec Ops unit. I have purposefully exited an aircraft in flight dozens of times and have this silver thingy with wings, a star, and a wreath to attest to my skill.
The facts are, I am who I say I am. It is your choice whether you believe me or not.
On the other hand, your candidate is a fraud. His resume is as thin and void of depth as the paper it is written upon. I only pray that the US and the world doesn’t actually have to find out what a fraud he is.
I doesn’t surprise me that you liberals know little about the military and the men and women who are putting their lives on the line to keep you safe and free. You distain the military. You think they are losers. We are not.
I have spent half of my life devoted to this country and working to keep it free. You think I’m going to idly sit by why liberals try to destroy it? Fat chance.
Some of the military members I work with on a daily basis have resumes that far overshadow your candidate’s. War College grads with PhD’s and JD’s. Men and women who have served in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. They are my friends. I can count on them in thick and thin. I don’t trust Senator Obama as far as I could throw him, which is pretty far, considering what a lightweight he is.
Why don’t we run for President? We’re needed where we are.
As we get closer and closer to November 4th, we’re going to see more liberals with buyer’s remorse. They are going to see that their candidate is swarmy. He talks in circles, never giving a straight answer, or one that he can be held accountable for. (oh, yea, he’s a LAWYER) He cannot be trusted. (Senator Biden, did you get that VP bid in writing yet?) Each political party gets to nominate one candidate. We (The GOP) nominated a man. The Donks nominated a flim-flam man.
Finally, I have the utmost respect for those performing “community service.” I think President Carter is the worst President in history, but his efforts with Habitat for Humanity almost erases his failure as our Commander-in-Chief. Now if he would only keep his mouth shut and stick to building houses, the world would be a better place.
I do not have respect for someone who tries to pass off political activism as “community service.” Nor do I have respect for someone who considers felons and terrorists his friends.
I do have respect for a man who refused to turn his back on his fellow prisoners when offered early release. Do you actually realize how much courage that took?
Put yourself in John McCain’s position: limbs broken, shoulders so torn up that even after over 35 years, including years of therapy, he cannot raise his arms past his shoulders. Beaten daily. Nearly starved to death. Ridden with disease. Stabbed. Denied medical treatment. Then he’s offered early release. He turned them down. 99.99999% of us would have taken the offer. Not John McCain. It speaks volumes about his character, loyalty, beliefs, and commitment.
What would you have done? I think I know what Senator Obama would have done: See ya. Get me out of here, and fast.
You see it boils down to character. Senator McCain has character. Senator does not. It boils down to committment. Senator McCain has committment. Senator does not. It boils down to judgement. Senator McCain has good judgement. Senator does not. It boils down to loyalty. Senator McCain has it. Senator does not.
After what Senator McCain went through for FIVE AND 1/2 YEARS as a POW, do you think he is going to back down to terrorists? H*ll no. But, Senator Obama wants to talk to the terrorists with no preconditions. Is Senator McCain going to bail out when the going gets tough. H*ll no. Can you say the same for Senator Obama. I can’t.
65. A-10 | September 5th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Who stole all my “Obama’s” in my next to the last paragraph, above?
Some Assembly Required, did you take them? Let me check your pockets.’
How about you Obama08, do you have “Obama” in your pocket, or are you just happy to…nevermind.
Maybe it was “FactCheck”. He/she/its always stealing word from the DNC playbook. Maybe he took my “Obama’s”.
Either that or maybe subconsciencely my brain is trying to prevent me from typing his name so many times in one paragraph. That must be it. Good old brain.
“You see it boils down to character. Senator McCain has character. Senator Obama does not. It boils down to committment. Senator McCain has committment. Senator Obama does not. It boils down to judgement. Senator McCain has good judgement. Senator Obama does not. It boils down to loyalty. Senator McCain has it. Senator Obama does not.”
There. Fixed.
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I am not Republican or Democratic, but something is very confusing to me. I keep hearing how social conservative leaders say Palin has motivated the evangelical base voters, how? I may not be part of the religious right, but I am religious. What I can gather from the bits and pieces of information I have heard, is that they are saying this because she does not believe in abortion. But, what about morals and values, last I heard this is still an integral part of religion. She obviously did not teach that to her own children, since one engaged in pre-marital sex. I thought that was still a sin, let alone the fact that she is a child herself about to have a bastard child. One of the down falls of our society is the lack of morals and values. People need to pick up a bible and read it, and apparently so does the evangelical base voters. Or is it that Republicans are hypocrites.
68. Thrower | September 5th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Are you capable of having a civil discussion A-10? Are you this big a jerk to your employees?
Giving you every point you make about being governor of Alaska, there may be some facts about running San Diego that eluded you.
It has twice the population of the state of Alaska. It is the hub of a two country metropolitan area of more than five million people. It shares a volatile and dangerous border with Mexico. An estimated 130,000 people entered the U.S. through the Alaskan ports of entry in 2007. For the San Diego port of entry, that number was 17 million. There are terrific law enforcement and social challenges associated with managing the impacts of unfettered illegal immigration and raging drug traffic that goes on here.
San Diego has a major marine and navy military presence and a deep water port. There are probably more activite military people stationed in the city of San Diego as there are in the state of Alaska.
San Diego is a major potential terrorist target, exacerbated by the presence of a nuclear power plant mere miles away. Unlike more favored areas, it has little federal help in managing those threats.
The city has a grievous financial problem arising from lousy civic management by previous mayors who, like Geroge Bush, combined low tax philosophy with unfettered spending. There are no oil revenues and little federal pork to offset it. Running the city is a matter of turning down legitimate needs rather than passing out pork and oil revenues to happy constituents. The infrastructure experiences collapses on a regular basis and there is no money to make the major upgrades that are long overdue.
The current mayor spent years on the police force rising to the rank of chief. During his time on the force a major airliner crashed into a populated area and one of the worst instances of mass murder occurred in a McDonalds in San Ysidro. Being mayor of San Dego is every bit as demanding as being governor of Alaska.
“I could go on and on but you get the point.”
69. Kahn | September 5th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
A-10, I think the last poll put the % of military claiming to be Democrat at 14%
Soon, there will be absolutely NO military knowledge in the Democratic Party.
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