Obama Admits He Was Wrong About the Surge
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September 5th, 2008 at 01:40pm with
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39 Responses to “Obama Admits He Was Wrong About the Surge”
Caucus of Corruption
only because he had too…to the rest of us…its been pretty obvious for the last 3 months…
It only took him six months. In the words of Rudy, “Next time call John McCain.”
http://thenewconservatives.blogspot.com/
It’s the economy, stupid.
Again.
markadmit:
so….
as a regular venutian visitor to your blogorama
i’ve read many of your past posts??
and
you were wrong about mccain
right?
And Obama still doesn’t have the faintest clue about the potential ramifications of leaving prematurely and allowing the region to descend into chaos. Now, in all fairness, I guess it should be noted that the Liberal Democrats, who abandoned our commitment to South Vietnam after pulling our troops out, never did apologize to the families of the millions who were slaughtered, perished trying to escape or were put into reeducation camps. So I guess it could be fairly said that Democrats really don’t give a sh*t about such people. It would be interesting, though to see how an Obama administration would spin $300/barrel oil as the Mid East went up in flames. The first word that comes to mind is “oops”, but my guess, based on comments Obama has made is that he wouldn’t apologize for that either.
And Republicans (including McCain) have realized that we need to end the occupation as quickly as possible.
I know that profits and GOP-style wealth redistribution depend on perpetual wars, but come on, people are dying.
bagni,
Not wrong – I still have my issues with McCain on CFR, global warming and embryonic stem cell research…but he’s vastly better than Obama.
oBOMBa 08
>>>>It’s the economy, stupid.>>>
You are correct, with $4.00 a gal gasoline due to the donkroach’s blocking………,
a. drilling
b. building new refineries
c. building more nuc power plants
d. coal mining
etc……….
what is oBOMBa’s solution? = air in your tires
PATHETIC truly PATHETIC
Obama08,
Its the judgement, stupid…how can we trust Obama be right on the economy when he was so massively wrong about Iraq?
Mark:
I am not surprised that you so enthusiastically back the McCain ticket and the GOP that has so massively wrong about almost everything.
Including the war from the beginning.
Had this misbegotten war never happened, the surge would have never been needed.
Obama had the courage to admit this one “mistake.”
Do you have the courage to admit even one of yours?
I am not talking about guessing wrong about the VP pick.
I am talking about the policies that have brought America to its knees.
I’ll wait.
ky kept
>>>I know that profits and GOP-style wealth redistribution depend on perpetual wars, but come on, people are dying.>>>
Do a little homework on who was in charge during every war in the 20th century.
Im so glad you are concerned about people dying!
How do you feel about this?
50,000,000 DEAD US citizens from abortion?
15,000 MURDERS in 2005 in the US( X5=75000)
There were 16,885 alcohol-related fatalities in 2005 ( X5 = 84425)
In 2007 Islam and Judaism’s holiest holidays overlapped for 10 days.
Muslims racked up 397 dead bodies in 94 terror attacks across 10
countries during this time… while Jews worked on their 159th Nobel Prize.
The cost to our military on a two nation war for five years is 4000. a heavy price but rather low in comparison to the others for the same period.
What are YOU doing to stop this?
oBOMBa
>>>Obama had the courage to admit this one “mistake.”>>>
ONE mistake???
BWWWWW HA HA HA
resko = mistake
wright =mistake
sinclair = mistake
kilpatrick = mistake
ayers = mistake
surge = mistake
church affiliation = mistake
NOI buddies = mistake
hairplugjoe = mistake
Dissing Pailin = BIG mistake
FalseMarine:
“This Election is Not About Issues”– Rick Davis, McCain campaign manager.
This is becoming more true everyday.
But where issues DO matter in campaigns, in the local state assemblies, House seats and governorships, Democrats are KICKING YOUR ASS!
Obama08,
Only in the mental delusions of the left is America on its knees…for those of us who don’t hate President Bush, America is quite strong and striding forward confidently into the future…
ymca
This is absolutely the most brilliant statement I’ve heard/read in forty-years:”And Republicans (including McCain) have realized that we need to end the occupation as quickly as possible.”
WOW…what brilliance! As though conservatives enjoy and want to extend the war and only liberals oppose it.
Have you ever thought of running for political office? With such a great mind…I’m sure you’d do well!!
Its the judgement, stupid…how can we trust Obama be right on the economy when he was so massively wrong about Iraq?9. Mark Noonan | September 5th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
What a delusional statement even by your standards. Senator Obama has stated from the beginning an invasion of Iraq would lead to America taking its eye of the terrorist in Afghanistan. Which it did. Bin Laden was there for the taking at Torra Borra. Obama also stated the surge has reduced violence; duh. However the Iraqis have yet to take over their security. A security they can afford since they are sitting on a huge budget surplus. As an example place 10,000 policemen at the Republican convention and you will reduce violence, but you have not solved the underlining issues. Obama has also stated at 10 billion dollars a month rebuilding the infrastructure of Iraq that money could be used better elsewhere, but borrow and spend Repugs don’t care how much Iraq cost the taxpayers.
You can’t get change 80% of the American people demand by kicking our nation down the road with Bush/Cheney three.
FmrMarine, were you ever really a marine?
Thank you for posting a message which did not reference affirmative action.
You seem to think it’s ok to be in a war that we didn’t need to fight, against an unarmed nation, and raping the treasury to pay for it. I disagree with you on this one. I think that the war was a mistake.
Unarmed nation?
I guess those tanks and missiles fired at our planes were just elaborate kites.
FmrMarine
Why do you insist on calling him “obomba” and then deride him for wanting to NOT bomb places, and for being a pacifist or “cut-and-run democrat”? Is it because his name sounds like a terrorist name, and you are trying to slyly asssociate him with terrorism and the long debunked rumor of him being a muslim? Seems xenophobic to me. If this is not the reason, please please please do tell. I would hate for you to come off as a jingoistic and racist, which would certainly put shame on your proud former employer. Enlighten me.
yekepyt,
Which war? Afghanistan or Iraq? If you think Iraq was a mistake but Afghanistan was appropriate, then tell me how you think that war would’ve gone with Saddam next door?
Also, what if there ended up being civilian casualties in Afghanistan? Would you have advocated a pull out?
It’s too easy to say that you support one incursion not another. All incursions are rife with danger and potential casualties and one thing liberals overlook is that Saddam would have made life hell for our efforts in Afghanistan had he still been around.
Next
neocon
to be fair, one of the wars was supported almost universally both domestically and internationally
One was not.
Yes, war is dangerous, and we have murdered civilians in both cases. (If abortions murder than collateral damage is too), but the fact is Afghanistan was the more pressing threat, and people the world over (including here at home) realized that.
Whether or not you care about international opinion (im guessing i know which, but either way) a war with popular support at home and abroad will go much more smoothly and effectively than one without. And Saddam WAS around when we first invaded Afghanistan….and couldnt really do much about it at the time, as he was militarily pretty weak.
You seem to be comparing apples to oranges here………
cat
>>>Seems xenophobic to me. If this is not the reason, please please please do tell. I would hate for you to come off as a jingoistic and racist,>>>
that S#!T doesn’t work for me.It may work in your weenie limp wristed world.
Those names are used to intimidate and silence……good marxist play but wont work here.
answer 1.http://ballyblog.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/terrorists-are-muslims-list-of-islamic-terrorist-attacks/
2.”William Ayers, in the age of terrorism, will be Barack Obama’s Willie Horton.”
–Former counterterrorism official Larry C. Johnson,
3.linking Barack Obama to a former member of the radical Weather Underground Organization that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974. The former Weatherman, William Ayers,
PS oBOMBa IS the epitomy of affirmative action.
kyplat
>>>FmrMarine, were you ever really a marine?>>>
There are many DEAD n.Vietnamese soldiers families who wish I wasn’t one.
Catfish,
Afghanistan was not universally supported. There were many here in this country that did not support it, including Kucinich, and there were many abroad that were advocating for us to turn the other cheek. So that’s just wrong.
Secondly, a war in Afghanistan would have spilled into Pakistan as we now know that’s where Osama runs to. So your assumption that it would have been some well defined, manageable effort is also wrong.
Lastly, Saddam would have done everything in his power to harm and thwart our efforts. His absence of doing anything in the short time we were in Afghanistan before we took him out was becasue he know his ass was grass, real soon. Had he had the confidence that we were going to leave him alone, he would have done a lot of mischief. You can take that to the bank.
I don’t know why liberals always want manageable wars with exit strategies. It’s just naive.
my limp-wristed world? Im gay because you put “bomb” in a pacifists name and I take offense to it? If the rest of “the few[and] the proud” are like you im glad there arent more of them.
And where was the marxism in my statement? I asked a question and told you what my gut reaction to that name was, and asked if you would like to explain yourself. Instead you infer that im gay, and continue to further a ridiculous slander. He once knew a dude who blew stuff up before obama was even born……….
And as for your arguments, 1 links to nothing of note…..so are you calling him a Muslim?? Use your words, honey…….
And 2 and 3 are references to the same talking point that means nothing…….NICE WORK DUDE!!!!!
Well that saddam thing is just conjecture. He didnt have military strength to cause us problems, and it hasnt spilled into pakistan yet. Yes they are running accross the border, but the fighting hasnt “Spilled over”. And i believe you that some people may have been against it (I said “almost”) but give me a better example of Kucinich……..I like the guy, but hes nuts, and would probably never goto war….for any reason.
And there is nothing naive about having an exit strategy, nor wanting the war to be manageable. Yes, Sh*t happens, and we need to react, but I would venture to say it is much more naive to completely ignore this aspect of planning an invasion!
Catfish,
The only reason you don’t like Iraq is because of Bush. Period. End of story.
dont presume to know what i do and dont like. I am responding to your comments. Id actually say i dont like bush because of Iraq (and tax cuts and being in the pockets of corporations, but all these became evident with or after the invasion of iraq). I thought the responded effectively and eloquently to 9/11 and is a pro-life big govt guy (not the right parts of govt, but still, not afraid to spend some cash). He is wrong on most things, but Afghanistan is his war too, and i thought it was the right decision…..so why that disparity? please tell me my thoughts on the matter.
Instead of responding to what i say you make a judgement statement attacking me…..dude u know how i operate, I didnt criticize you, never presumed you were thinking anything, i tried to respond to your post as best i could. Dont distort the discussion and make it bush hate-mongering. I can goto kos for that. Here im too busy fighting off the anti-obama spin and lies…..i dont think ive ever even mentioned bush…..could be wrong, but top of my head, this is the first time ive typed the word on this site
Tax cuts for the rich huh? Honestly, that’s such a joke. EVERYONE THAT PAYS TAXES, RECEIVED A TAX BREAK. EVERYONE!!!!
That statement alone really qualifies any other statement you make as just more propaganda and half truths. Sorry.
Iraq was, and will prove to be a nobel and worthwhile effort. Many Iraqis are enjoying a much better quality of life and a huge menace in the region, Saddam, is gone.
Not that you care about others though.
Bye.
Sigh…..if thats how its going to be, discredit the messenger because you cant discredit the message…..nothing in that was untrue.
The truth is he cut taxes on corporations and the highest 1%, and did so while profits were high and while at war. That is unsound economic policy…..seriously a wartime tax cut!?!?!?!?!?
And I dont care about others? I want to pay higher taxes, end abortion, stop murdering innocent civilians, and fund education appropriately because i dont care about others??? Maybe I care about the millions of Iraqis who lost a friend or family member, or the tens of thousands of Americans who know or love someone who has lost their life…..there are 2 sides to that argument.
And if sound economic disagreements discredit my entire argument, then I cannot argue with you. I refuse to sling mud (except at fmrmarine/crntdouche because he is ignorant), or further the half-truths on either side. I have to goto work….with kids for little pay, also because i hate other people (though, full disclosure I love my job).
So, good day. I mean that honestly. I have no ill will towards you, I just wish you would understand that im not a partisan hack. I know its not as fun to argue with someone who is trying to articulate their position with facts and reason as it is to argue with many people on this blog…….but alas.
and you know whats interesting…..i never said tax cuts for the rich!!!! haha. I said “tax cuts” and it was in parentheses outside of my main argument…….Thats ridiculous……
but i guess now none of my post is discredited then?
25. Catfish | September 5th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
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Forget trying to reason with FmrMarine, Catfish. You would have more success with a two-year old.
Saddam’s plan to disrupt the war in Afghanistan is quite simple.
Since you are all on the internet, you have access to maps. Take a look at the location of Afghanistan. Now, take a look at the location of Iraq.
All Saddam had to do was march his mighty weapons across Iran to get to Afghanistan.
He might have had to apologize to the Iranian government first. But I’m sure they would forgive him the war and his infidel status if he asked politely.
OK, maybe that’s unfair. He could have always flown his magnificent air force over Turkey, Georgia, Russia, the Caspian Sea and Turkmenistan for harassing incursions against superior American forces.
Wow, war really is God’s way of teaching Geography to Americans.
I see FmrMarine is back to obsessing over affirmative action… did you ever explain how you felt about McCain being the beneficiary of affirmative action? I might have missed it.
(By the way, there was at least one post from FmrMarine which did not mention affirmative action. I think he may be catching on).
markromney
i love it when you get all spatially squirmy
you openly disliked and bashed mccain
you loved romney and chose him as your #1
at least obama had the cojones to say the word “wrong”
you don’t do that much
i can’t remember when actually?
but i still have the lunar love for you
Thanks Schwartzenkopf for that geography lesson. I now know that Afghanistan is located right next to the United States since only countries that border each other are able to attack or influence them. I appreciate the common sense you use in your comments. Thanks.
And for you libs that tend to take anything you can use to attack at face value….this would be called considered sarcasm.
I don’t know why liberals always want manageable wars with exit strategies. It’s just naive24. neocon | September 5th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
God love America, people who think like this must not have one more night leading our nation. Advocates of war as the first solution Cheney/Bush/McCain must be placed on the trash heap of American history.
sometimes you just have to fight for what is right without an exit strategy…exit strategies are for cowards…they will not stand up for what is right if they cant run away…just like the Civil War…there was no exit strategy…but in the end…the only thing that counted is that they did the right thing…no matter the cost…
thats what liberty is all about
neocon writes:
Catfish,
Afghanistan was not universally supported. There were many here in this country that did not support it, including Kucinich, and there were many abroad that were advocating for us to turn the other cheek. So that’s just wrong.
Neocon,
Don’t waste your breath. The prosecution of the war in Afghanistan is just a canard by the left. They want to appear as though they are pro-military by claiming that we’re punting that effort.
It shows their lack of understanding that this a global conflict against Islamic terrorism without borders. Their hatred of — ahem — neocons and the PNAC force them to use this dodge.
Were Afghanistan the only battle front, we’d still be hearing the soggy “Bush Lied, people died” rhetoric.