60 Comments

• 1. LiberalNitemare  |  September 6th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

  Sounds like the chosen one has been knocked off his stride.

• 2. Mark Noonan  |  September 6th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

  LiberalNightmare,

  I begin to believe he never had a stride - just a really good ground-game in caucus States and an MSM entirely unwilling to challenge him.

• 3. William of Orange  |  September 6th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

  ..waiting for the left-wing tools to weigh in on this one..

  This is a particularly scary series of tone-deaf statements from The Cypher. In conjunction with his other totalitarian moves (getting Google to stifle anti-Obama blogs and attempting to sic the Justice Department on those who would reveal his Annenberg/Ayers secrets) does not bode well for those of us who cherish our second amendment rights.

  I guess I’ll just sit here, clutching my two M-1s and wait for that midnight knock on my door from his jack-booted, thought-police. Hope they don’t come Saturday night; I gotta get up and go to church on Sunday morning.

  On a happier note, I saw this pathetic assembly of hand-picked voters at Wilkes-Barre yesterday and it was in stark contrast to the two outdoor appearances by McCain and Palin before enthusiastic crowds of 10,000 or so.

  Nice to see the Messiah can’t draw anymore unless he holds a bread-and-circus rock concert in a football arena.

  Can you say 38 million viewers, boys and girls? This with four less media channels than the Messiah had for his staged event?

• 4. kimberly4victory  |  September 6th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

  “just a really good ground-game in caucus States”

  Mark, don’t you mean good voting FRAUD game in caucus States?

  “But the Illinois senator could still see skeptics in the crowd, particularly on the faces of several men at the back of the room.”

  Yep, no one is buying it from The One. He just does not get it. I hope someone has video on this …

• 5. Rebekah K  |  September 6th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

  I think I understand his desire for gun control… if he keeps shooting himself in the foot this way.

• 6. kimberly4victory  |  September 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

  LOL, Rebekah!!!!!!!

• 7. neocon  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

  Great one Rebekah.

  Incidentally, it appears the GOP are using the discarded American flags left behind in Denver.

  Can this get any better?

• 8. kimberly4victory  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

  Where did you see that, neocon?

• 9. kimberly4victory  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

  Notice the lack of posts from our resident liberals on this thread and on the 60% agree with McCain on Judges thread … Hmmmm.

• 10. Eric T  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

  Read this !!!

  http://www.nraila.org/OBAMA/

  In Michigan and many states, deer hunting is almost like a religion.

  Anyone into guns and shooting, should be able to see what Obama is going to do to their hobby from about a mile away. His record is horrible for the short time he has been in office.

  This guy is completely against freedom and the 2nd Amendment, and with a democrat house and fillibuster proof Senate, there is no doubt, this guy will be taking peoples guns.

  McCain has a very impressive record on guns and freedom. This issue alone, should be enuff, to show the difference between Freedom and Tryanny. McCain conserves traditional American values, Obama want to move towards Chinese style Communism, taking property ect…

  This is a no compromise issue. Obama is a very high risk to your gun collection.

• 11. neocon  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

  On Fox. There’s a rally for McCain (I am not sure where), and boy scouts are passing out flags found in trash bags outside of the Denver convention hall.

• 12. Obama08  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

  This election, while certainly not about the issues, is not even going to consider gun control as an issue in play.

  But this stuff will make a difference:

  Nevada regulators closed Silver State and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was appointed receiver of the bank, based in Henderson, Nev. It had $2 billion in assets and $1.7 billion in deposits as of June 30.

  Andrew K. McCain, a son of Republican presidential nominee John McCain, sat on the boards of Silver State Bank and of its parent, Silver State Bancorp, starting in February but resigned in July citing “personal reasons,” corporate filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission show. Andrew McCain also was a member of the bank’s audit committee, responsible for oversight of the company’s accounting.

  Oh and then there is Freddie and Fannie……

  So Exactly how is McSame and his celebrity side kick Pitbull going to solve these problems?

  More hypocritical polemics about “elites” and tirades against the liberal press?

  Hey if that stuff works for you guys then we should all rethink the wisdom of self government, shall we?

• 13. neocon  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

  MBNA paid Biden son at critical time for bill

  Aug 25 06:15 PM US/Eastern
  By PETE YOST
  Associated Press Writer Write a Comment

  WASHINGTON (AP) - A son of Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden was paid an undisclosed amount of money as a consultant by MBNA, the largest employer in Delaware, during the years the senator supported legislation that was promoted by the credit card industry and opposed by consumer groups.
  Barack Obama’s presidential campaign said Biden helped forge a bipartisan compromise on the measure, which is now law and makes it harder for consumers to obtain bankruptcy protection in the courts.

  MBNA’s consulting payments to Hunter Biden, first reported by The New York Times, followed his departure in 2001 from the company, where he had been an executive.

  Obama opposed the bankruptcy law, enacted in 2005, while Biden supported it.

  MBNA paid Biden son at critical time for bill

  Aug 25 06:15 PM US/Eastern
  By PETE YOST
  Associated Press Writer Write a Comment

  WASHINGTON (AP) - A son of Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden was paid an undisclosed amount of money as a consultant by MBNA, the largest employer in Delaware, during the years the senator supported legislation that was promoted by the credit card industry and opposed by consumer groups.
  Barack Obama’s presidential campaign said Biden helped forge a bipartisan compromise on the measure, which is now law and makes it harder for consumers to obtain bankruptcy protection in the courts.

  MBNA’s consulting payments to Hunter Biden, first reported by The New York Times, followed his departure in 2001 from the company, where he had been an executive.

  Obama opposed the bankruptcy law, enacted in 2005, while Biden supported it.

• 14. Eric T  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

  Obama08

  “This election, while certainly not about the issues”

  It is about issues, like this one. Obama needs to back back to the Senate for a few years and get it right. He is to far to the left.

• 15. neocon  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

  Obama08,

  I agree that stuff will make a difference and both Biden and Reid have lobbyist sons that are cashing in on their Dads. Great stuff.

• 16. Eric T  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

  Obama08

  “Hey if that stuff works for you guys then we should all rethink the wisdom of self government, shall we?”

  Will you have a Che G. or commie flag, flying over our White House

• 17. Rhymes With Right  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

  Good grief — now he wants to dictate to Americans the reasons upon which they can select the candidate of their choice.

• 18. Kahn  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

  The ralley is in Denver. Vendors found trash bag after trash bag of flags at the stadium. They rescued them and got them to the Republicans. Scouts were involved in handing them out.

  As a scouter who witnessed firsthand a liberal try to destroy my son’s Cub Scout Pack - I’m not surprised that Scouts do NOT see the Democrats as friends.

• 19. Eric T  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

  I wanna be fair to pro-gun democrats, it is not the entire democrat party that thinks like this. but they should have known better than putting out a candidate with a record like Obama’s. This is a great reason to reject Obama.

• 20. Kahn  |  September 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

  Obama is trying to dance around the gun issue with two big LEFT feet. It sounds like he would re-institute the Clinton Gun Ban. That ban was stupid and ineffectual.

  There IS currently a run on certain kinds of guns and ammunition in anticipation of such a ban. I personally know people doing this. Though I’m now collecting guns that are virtually antique by today’s standards.

  Funny though, the revolvers I collect are all that DC allowed after their law was declared unconstitutional.

  They allow revolvers only. They must be stored locked up and disassembled. You can not assemble it and load it until there is an obvious threat. THIS is how they changed the law to meet the “right to self defense.” So, so long as a criminal makes an appointment with you. You’ll be all set.

• 21. kimberly4victory  |  September 6th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

  There are several ways in which you may give your American flag the proper retirement without showing disgrace to this great country. If you would like to dispose of the flag yourself then the most fitting way is to hold your own, private ceremony.

  The U.S. Flag Code states, “The flag, when it is in such a condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferable by burning.” (NOT THROWN IN A GARBAGE BAG!!!)

  After your flag has been burned, the ashes should be buried. If you cannot burn and bury the flag yourself, then there are several organizations that will retire your flag in a proper and respectful ceremony. Among them are:

  VFW @ vfw.org
  American Legion @ legion.org
  Boy Scouts of America @ scouting.org
  Girl Scouts of America @ girlscouts.org
  Marine Corps League @ mcleague.com

  Pictures of the discarded flags here:
  http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/28/mystery-solved/

• 22. JS  |  September 6th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

  and the stank rises

  the more this goes on

  the more obama is in crisis

  if you cant pull the con

  maybe he should just move-on…..

• 23. kimberly4victory  |  September 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

  This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.

  Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage — with dramatic effect, no doubt — and tell the story.

  “What you see in the picture I sent you is less than half of total flags,” a Republican official emailed. “We estimate the total number to be around 12,000 small flags and one full size 3×5 flag.”

• 24. Kahn  |  September 6th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

  Now Democrats are claiming that these flag, in unlabeled trash bags, were still theirs and they were being sent back to the distributor for re-use.

  Ha!

• 25. kimberly4victory  |  September 6th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

  As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell.

  In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room. This was, as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.

  One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian.

  Mike came from a small town near Selma, Alabama. He didn’t wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old. At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to Officer Training School. Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967.

  Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country-and our military-provide for people who want to work and want to succeed. As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing. Mike got himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed on the inside of his shirt.

  Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike’s shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance. I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.

  One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically, and discovered Mike’s shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it. That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours. Then, they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could.

  The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept. Four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room. As I said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag.

  He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to pledge allegiance to our flag and our country.

  So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world. You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country.

  “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

• 26. kimberly4victory  |  September 6th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

  Kahn: Are they referring to the flags mixed in with cups and other garbage?

• 27. kimberly4victory  |  September 6th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

  Post from a Clinton Supporter:

  If BO was charged $1.00/flag, and you believe his version of events, that means they couldn’t find one volunteer to take responsibility for guarding an investment of $12,000.

  The approximately 600 small donors they count on for their $20.00 contributions must be wondering about a campaign that seems to have money to burn or 12,000 flags that looked like they were being disposed of.

• 28. Paul  |  September 6th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

  Guys - help me out on this.

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  Women for Palin: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/womenforpalin/index.html

  Ex-Hillary for Palin:http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hillaryforpalin/index.html
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• 29. The Masses Opiate  |  September 6th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

  Effects Of An Obama Win Besides Gun Control/Ban

  Things to count on if Obama Wins.
  -A progressive tax system that soaks the rich and dries up investment
  -A windfall profits tax on oil companies that further off shores production and increases our balance of trade deficit.
  -A rougher time ahead for US auto stocks, given his past attacks on these companies and investor expectations.
  -Higher food prices as he pushes for renewable energy
  -Liberal judge appointments leading to higher tort costs, lower competitiveness and fewer US jobs.
  -Weakening of NAFTA
  -An illegal alien influx into America given his stated policy to not send back the 12,000,000 illegal’s here.
  -The signing of the Kyoto Accord and the loss of 5% GDP.
  -An economy strangling universal health care program.
  -Higher oil prices.

• 30. Independent for Palin-McCain  |  September 6th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

  I just came back from a McCain rally…the GOP better get on the ball over the next few weeks.

  On the whole, I have to rate the rally a “C-.” I am tired of hearing of the POW stories (although the new one I heard today was interesting). They gave slightly modified versions of their convention speeches. I was hoping for something new.

  Bad location, bad logistics, tired stories, too long of a wait in the blazing Colorado sun.

  Almost enough to make me go back to voting Libertarian

• 31. Nate Gunn  |  September 6th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

  “This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage.”

  They should save the thousands of families being evicted from emergency residency by FEMA.
  They lost their homes, now they are on the street.

  Who cares about guns? Rifles for hunting? Fine.
  Semi-automatic mass-murdering guns should not be sold to the public.

• 32. Independent for Palin-McCain  |  September 6th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

  I’ve had a semi-auto for years….it’s never mass-murdered anyone…let alone fired itself.

  Guns are merely a tool….you can kill people using any number of weapons…it all depends on your motivation.

• 33. Kahn  |  September 6th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

  Thanks Nate. I’m 49 and have never pointed a gun at a a person in anger. But thanks for confirming this feeling on the left.

  The 2nd Amendment is NOT about hunting (as confirmed recently by the Supreme Court). It is about protecting a right from idiots like you.

  Thanks though. Good to see an honest and open post from the left. Very rare.

• 34. Eric T  |  September 6th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

  Nate Gunn-

  “Semi-automatic mass-murdering guns should not be sold to the public.”

  Many guns for hunting, competition shooting, or recreational shooting are semi-auto. Women shooters prefer the light recoil that a semi auto rifle offers, compared to the arm bruising recoil a bolt or lever rifle has.

  There are alot of people that enjoy guns and hunting as a hobby. And they all vote, and won’t be voting for people that think like you.

  Nate Obama is concerned with gang violence, which seems to be a much bigger problem in the inner cities. Instead of reducing freedom across the country, why not focus on banning crack cocaine, gangster rap music. Maybe more police are needed, curfews, Maybe people on welfare with nothing but time on their hands need to go back to work??? Maybe with the unemployment levels rising, outsourcing jobs is not such a good idea?? I think the roots of the problem need to be addressed, taking away guns from law abiding citizens, is not the answer.

  The masses Opiate-

  To add to your list, Obama wants a dividend tax, I’m not rich, but when times were better, I’d buy a few shares of stock here and there. I think alot of people would lose interest in investing with a dividends tax.

• 35. neocon  |  September 6th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

  Eric T,

  Then when you sell those shares, Obama will hit you with a doubled capital gains tax.

• 36. Retired Spook  |  September 6th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

  Semi-automatic mass-murdering guns should not be sold to the public.

  Nate, are you referring to all semi-automatic guns or just those that look like military-style weapons?

• 37. yekepyt  |  September 6th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

  I own a handgun, and I like to shoot it. But where do you draw the line? I assume that no one here would want ballistic missiles to be available on the open market. How about shoulder-mounted rocket launchers? Fully automatic assault rifles? Shotguns? Semi-automatic pistols?

  Should mentally unstable people be able to buy guns? If not, who gets to decide who’s stable or unstable?

  I think everyone has their own idea where they’d like the lines to be drawn.

• 38. Kahn  |  September 6th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

  yekept - that’s actually the best post you’ve ever made.

  That’s why the framers protected them.

  In Switzerland, everyone is in the military or in the reserves. Every neighborhood has caches of weapons including heavy mortars and machine guns. Towns maintain tanks and heavy artillery.

  Yet violent crime is rare.

  There is nothing keeping a person from going and grabbing a heavy weapon and opening up. Nothing except a strong sense of community and responsibility. That, and the knowledge that everyone else is armed also.

  But think about this:
  1. Who lives in the “problem” areas? (answer - blacks and Hispanics)
  2. The “problem” areas are where they want guns restricted the most.
  3. The current “gun bans” are directly targeted at …. blacks and Hispanics.

  Is that OK?

• 39. Obama08  |  September 6th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

  Dumpster diving now, I see.

  By the way I DID NOT SEE McSAME with a flag lapel pin.

  Why does he hate America so much

• 40. yekepyt  |  September 6th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

  Yes but Switzerland has progressive social policies that foster that very sense of community. Despite not having a homogeneous society (there are four national languages, after all), they seem to do ok.

  Should people in “problem areas” be allowed to put in place those solutions that they think will work best for themselves?

• 41. kimberly4victory  |  September 6th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

  Dumpster diving like this ever-growing list?

  http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/

• 42. kimberly4victory  |  September 6th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

  Independent: The convention just ended Thursday. I’m sure they will reiterate a lot of their convention speeches, much the same as teachers giving students the same information for several days so they retain it. I’ve passed your post onto the McCain camp and hopefully, they will read it. Did they pass out the flags and did you keep yours :-)? Did you see any Clinton supporters?

• 43. Eric T  |  September 6th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

  Obama08-

  Detroit, just got a new mayor. Maybe with better leadership, it won’t be a problem area anymore.

  If I had power or capital to invest, I’d give Ken Cockrel ( the new Mayor) a chance to try and arrange companies to reopen some of these empty shops, even if a shoe factory, kids toys, tools and household stuff. The shops overseas can sell the stuff that their building over there to their own people. Michigan’s enemployment rate is the worst in the country. Detroit is probably the highest in the state.

• 44. Danish Artist  |  September 6th, 2008 at 9:03 pm

  “By the way I DID NOT SEE McSAME with a flag lapel pin.”

  08amaton, more with your lemming BS.

  McCain doesn’t need a flag pin, not when his military medals and credentials will suffice.

  Desperate I see. What is his lead now 2 points?

  Your guy is desperate. He considers the gun issue not a reason to not vote for him, but he is satified with abortion, uh pro-choice, to be a sufficient reason to vote for him.

  Loser.

  How can you people be such empty headed followers? Any logic can show this man is incapable of leading this country much less than small town mayor.

• 45. hermie  |  September 6th, 2008 at 9:46 pm

  Obama08 is just doing what his DNC masters have told him…Go on the most ‘dangerous’ (to the One) sites and try to disrupt them with tired old talking points.

  If Obama was such a success as a ‘community organizer’ and State Senator, why does his old Chicago neghborhood still have the exact same problems a number of Dems actually believe he ’solved’?

  I live in Illinois and it is more corrupt and financially shakey now than before Obama became a ‘legend’.

  He did NOTHING about Daley machine corruption.

  NOTHING about the dangerous financial situation that Illinois faced and still faces.

  NOTHING about the schools.

  NOTHING about families on welfare.

  NOTHING about jobs.

  In short…he did NOTHING but promote himself, while gaining the benefits of not only turning a blind eye to Chicago corruption and nepotism, but actually ENDORSING it.

• 46. Kahn  |  September 6th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

  yekept - what social programs do you see being proposed in the “problem areas” that would solve the actual problems? Does welfare help foster a sense of community and responsibility? Does free housing do it? What about free medical?

  These programs have been in place for forty years or more. The problems in those areas have gotten steadily worse. So, whats up with that? Why aren’t these areas the liberal urban paradises we’d expect by now?

  You think that bringing in factories would help? It might indeed. I constatnly see “leaders” in these urban areas fight them. I also see the unions make the area unhealthy for profit.

  What about letting people opt out of a clearly failed school system? Make sure that the tax money collected to educate a child actually follows the child no matter where he or she goes? If you think that might help - welcome aboard.

  But we digress. I offered an example of people having access to weapons and handling it. You replied with kind of an argument about how the Swiss COULD handle it, but urban blacks and Hispanics could not. This is a very paternalistic view. The concept that YOU, well your party should decide how the obviously incompetent people should live. Where they get their education and medical care. Where they live. How they survive. And remove the right of self defense.

  Its all very much plantation owner mentality, isn’t it? You provide for them, protect them, don’t educate them, don’t allow them to arm, and in return they pick your cotton - I mean vote Democrat?

• 47. neocon  |  September 6th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

  Its all very much plantation owner mentality, isn’t it? You provide for them, protect them, don’t educate them, don’t allow them to arm, and in return they pick your cotton - I mean vote Democrat? - Kahn

  That’s one of the best definitions of liberalism I’ve read in a long time.

• 48. Retired Spook  |  September 6th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

  Rats, neo beat me to it. Great line, Kahn.

• 49. What?  |  September 7th, 2008 at 3:40 am

  Kahn,
  What is so funny is that for the past 30 years we have had Presidents and Congresses devoted to dismantling the social programs you claim do not work.

  They don’t work simply because they have been consistently defunded by the Reagan Revolution mentality.

  What is so sad about the REagan revolution is that it doesn’t see the problems surrounding us were a result of its philosophy.
  You complain about how government does not work. It does not work because you and others have set out on a policy of making sure it doesn’t work. You elect time and again people who cut programs yet still create budget deficits. It is almost a peverted magic trick.

  As for your bleak definition of liberalism, I must ask what are you for?

  What is your solution to poverty?
  We should not provide for the poor?

  Should we not house and feed those who cannot afford to do it for themselves?

  Should we turn people away if they are sick simply because they cannot afford to pay?

  You are right. Liberals do want to provide for those who cannot provide for themselves. I thought this was a value that conservatives shared but I guess I was wrong.

  Also, isn’t government suppose to protect people?

  If liberal ideology is a “plantation” your is something far more calous. Basically, you are saying “Fuck off, it’s my money.” As long as you get yours, right Kahn?

  Or do you still believe in the nonsense that it will all trickle down to the poor? How is that working out?

  This is what we go to war for? So you can be selfish?

• 50. Danish Artist  |  September 7th, 2008 at 7:00 am

  “What is your solution to poverty?
  We should not provide for the poor?”

  We have. The solution to poverty was a failed 1960s experiment that the liberals refuse to reform or end because of its massive failure. That program has dragged millions down to inefficiency and dependence and spent trillions of dollars to buy votes each election year.

  We can provide for the poor and effectively as well without the power of the federal government. But that too, is against liberal theology. That is their religion.

  If you want to know the government’s job, read the Constitution. You will find no authority of social welfare, healthcare or other such program - that is a job for the states.

• 51. Eric T  |  September 7th, 2008 at 7:17 am

  What-

  Have you ever heard that saying, give a man a fish feed him for a day, teach a man to fish ect… Helping the poor is different from letting generations stay on welfare.

  Some complained about Reagan Union busting. If you look at the air traffic controllers (where it all started) salary today it is approx $144,000 a year. Are they better off or worse off.

  Unions deal with seniority issues and there are some good things about them. If you own or run the business, your view on unions will be much different. Many small businesses and family owned companies can’t handle an outside group coming in a inflating wages.

  Maybe the unions need to, instead of paying everyone the same. Start guys out at one rate, as they get some time in, increase the pay, work them into to a higher skill job ect…

  Paying a janitor $30.00 an hour with full benifits and retirement is going to send that business running out of the state/country looking for a different way to do business. Starting a guy out with wages similar to what those type of jobs pay, then working him into better paying positions as positions open up, might be a better way???

  Unions have to look out for the interest of the company, not only the interest of the workers/and union. Job banks that pay people not to work, and the union protecting jobs of problem employees that steal, or constantly make expensive mistakes, is going to send the companies running from the union, properly inflated wages are good for a person, over inflated wages. will hurt the company and in the long run hurt the union and its workers.

• 52. Ken  |  September 7th, 2008 at 8:45 am

  “Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’ he said.

  Interesting statement. If Senator Obama was able to get the votes in Congress to take away gun ownership, would he change his mind…

  The only thing Gun Control has ever done is make easy targets out of honest citizens.

• 53. Eric T  |  September 7th, 2008 at 11:03 am

  Ken-

  “Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’ he said.

  FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

  FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

  FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

  FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

  A big Obama win and with all three houses, may give him the power to do what he wants.

• 54. Kahn  |  September 7th, 2008 at 11:31 am

  Eric - And he could do other things. California is the example.

  He could ban ammunition for being unsafe.
  He could ban ammunition for having lead.
  He could ban ammunition for making noise.

• 55. Kahn  |  September 7th, 2008 at 11:40 am

  What?

  Look, I believe that you believe that government welfare, housing, and medical is the humane thing to do. It’s just that I beleieve you feel it’s the humane thing to do to people you consider to be kind of inferior. You’d do the same thing for dogs.

  Thing is, I don’t feel the certain urban centered ethnic groups are inferior. I think they are equals. I think that if we could seize control of the schools from the plantation guards then we could give them the educations they deserve.

  I think that the Republican Party fell down on the job big time. But I think this happened in the 1870’s and 1880’s when we shrank from completing the reconstruction of the south. We allowed a resurgent Democratic Party to spread it’s rascist dogma in a new guise and to re-impose controls in the South.

  Then, in the 1960’s when we finally got enough Democrats to go along with us to pass Civil Rights laws, we failed to stop the “humanitarian” counter to these moves put in place by LBJ to re-establish control.

  TWO big failures. 1. Not seeing the reeducation of the Democrats through to the end in the 1800’s and 2. Allowing LBJ to addict minorities to government largesse in the 1960’s.

• 56. What?  |  September 7th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

  Hmm my comments have disappeared.

  Kahn,
  I certainly don’t think those less fortunate than me are inferior. However, your post suggests you feel they are inferior to you.

  Kahn writes:
  “Thing is, I don’t feel the certain urban centered ethnic groups are inferior. I think they are equals. I think that if we could seize control of the schools from the plantation guards then we could give them the educations they deserve.”

  First, you are stereotyping who the poor are by identifying them as minority urban dwellers. You realize there are many rural whites who are also poor?

  Second why do you call these urban centered ethnic groups “them?” Also, who is “we?” White people? This is awfully paternalistis coming from someone accusing the other side of being “plantation guards.”

  Finally, what does “seize control” even mean?

  You should also quit trying to forget that the segregationist southerners defected to the Republican party in the earlier 1970s. Does “Southern strategy” ring a bell? Where did Thurman and Helms go when the Democrats suddenly discovered civil rights?

• 57. What?  |  September 8th, 2008 at 12:01 am

  Danish Artist,
  Good work for not proposing solutions to any of the problems I listed. As usual, you bring nothing to the conversation other than your ignorance.

  Eric T
  Why are you talking about unions?
  The air traffic controllers have a union.

• 58. What?  |  September 8th, 2008 at 12:08 am

  Also Kahn,
  How would you solve poverty? How would you provide for those who cannot provide for themselves? What would you do with those who came to the emergency room without the means to pay?

  You denigrate my desire to solve these problems through the collective voice of government.

  Where are your answers? No conservative on this web site has given any. Can you?

• 59. Kahn  |  September 8th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

  What - two different questions. I would solve poverty by getting rid of the teachers unions in problem areas and forcing a restructuring of the education systems to teach trades with some college prep in these areas. I’d make the college prep programs very competitive.

  Then I would offer free land and little to no taxes to companies willing to locate factories and other businesses in problem areas that agree to hire locals.

  I would be completely intollerent of drugs and crime and remove that cancerous element from the areas as long as possible.

  I would offer day care for kids, but then expect 100% participation in jobs and adult education classed for anyone expecting welfare or other government benefits.

  You? 40 more years of addictive destructive welfare?

• 60. Eric T  |  September 8th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

  What-

  You ask-How would you solve poverty?

  Decent paying jobs, is really the only thing that makes sense.