44 Comments

• 1. Dennis  |  September 24th, 2008 at 1:39 am

  Deleted - off topic.

• 2. BARRASSO  |  September 24th, 2008 at 1:50 am

  Deleted - quotes traitor, hate-monger.

• 3. Jeremiah  |  September 24th, 2008 at 1:55 am

  God bless President George Walker Bush - Hero of the 21st Century.

  If people bamboozle themselves into voting for Obama, they are in for a very rude awakening during his administration !

  Obama talked illusories to the American taxpayers today … wait until he gets ahold of their pocket books!

  I say to every American who has savings, stocks and bonds to retrieve them immediately and hold on for dear life!

• 4. Jeremiah  |  September 24th, 2008 at 2:29 am

  …and what does it go on to say in verse 12, Dennis?

  “But above ALL things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by earth, beither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”

  Obama has beat around the bush so many times it’s unreal!

  His yea today, will be his nay tomorrow!

  So, beware, the tax man cometh! The cost will be more than the people can bear, as he doesn’t want just some of it, he wants all of it! And George Soros is salivating profusely over it!

  Wake up!

• 5. BARRASSO  |  September 24th, 2008 at 2:32 am

  John Cole is a traitor now? Disagreeing with the republican party is to be a traitor now?

• 6. FactCheck  |  September 24th, 2008 at 2:48 am

  Simple - they came up against men and women who actually put country first…while a group which puts party first can cause a lot of ruckus, when the chips are down it is those who believe in something sublime who will defeat those who believe in something corrupt and mean.

  It’s so quaint that you actually believe this–any of it, much less all of it.

  John Cole is a traitor now?

  Well, he left the GOP. It doesn’t get much more traitorous than that to the wingnuts.

• 7. Mark Noonan  |  September 24th, 2008 at 2:59 am

  Barrasso,

  Darned straight he is - and if you want to read him, you just slink down into his gutter any time you like…but I won’t have him linked to or quoted on this blog.

• 8. Dennis  |  September 24th, 2008 at 3:10 am

  Reality just bites, doesn’t it, Mark?

• 9. arcman46  |  September 24th, 2008 at 5:38 am

  OBAMA LIED TAXPAYERS CRIED

• 10. Danish Artist  |  September 24th, 2008 at 6:20 am

  Reality Dennis, the liberals especially Reid/Pelosi promised “common sense” legislation for cheaper oil & gas. Not my words, their words!

  It turns out that their words were lies. After a summer long liberal tirade of complaints on high gasoline and oil prices what did the grand leadership of Pelosi/Reid do??? THEY WENT ON VACATION!!! Reid and Pelosi continue to put special interests before their constituents.

  So in reality Dennis, your “heroes” played you and others like for fools in 2006. AND, what is more pathetic is that you will continue to perpetuate their lies and will continue to drink the kool-aid.

  Reality does bite Dennis, it bites you in the ass and you blankly wonder why.

• 11. searp  |  September 24th, 2008 at 6:20 am

  There is a true disconnection from reality on this blog. It is indisputably the case that the Republicans have now printed more money than all previous Democratic administrations combined, and are asking for a further $700 BILLION to nationalize Wall Street.

  What a joke. George W. Bush: Communist or Republican?

  Does it matter to anyone here, or do we just fantasize?

• 12. js  |  September 24th, 2008 at 6:27 am

  what kind of mental midget can hold bush responsible for the housing bubble…that began way back in the late 80s….when infomercials started hocking no down payment programs in real estate….and the S/L meltdown…

  its not about the executive branch moron…its about congress…and thier lucrative returns on manipulating laws…and failing to act to stop a trend that drove the price of housing up 400% in 30 years…maybe nature shortchanged you half wit liberals….who knows…but the DNC and its members have screwed america long enough…

  time to bam bam obama’s but back to chicago

• 13. french student  |  September 24th, 2008 at 8:05 am

  6. js | September 23rd, 2008 at 9:04 am

  isnt it strange that the economy actually did pretty good until the DNC got control of both houses of congress…

  12. js | September 24th, 2008 at 6:27 am

  what kind of mental midget can hold bush responsible for the housing bubble…that began way back in the late 80s….
  

  So which is it, JS? Was it the dem’s fault because it began too long ago, or because it began too recently? Kepp it coherent will you?

• 14. french student  |  September 24th, 2008 at 8:07 am

  crap, messed up the quote tags again…

• 15. searp  |  September 24th, 2008 at 8:34 am

  Um:

  – George W Bush, in the person of his Treasury Secretary, proposed giving wall street 700 billion dollars to cover its losses.

  – George W Bush proposed and then signed into law budgets that grew the national debt by trillions of dollars.

  Read it, understand it, and if you disbelieve it, please provide facts and sourcing to disprove it.

  Otherwise, who, exactly, is the moron?

• 16. js  |  September 24th, 2008 at 8:44 am

  “crap” is the only think you got right french flop…you have solidly demonstrated your inability to connect the dots…rationally speaking…you rate lower than most 8 years olds who can actually think…but we knew that before you even posted…didnt we…

  and in reality…what exactly is going to happen to the 700 Bn invested into faltering mortgages…because the last time i checked…the majority of them were failing because thier interest rates had skyrocketed…on loans that exceeded the value of the home….yet…i doubt we would find such a great loss in the long run by a long shot…just by reducing the rate to make the mortgages affordable…most of those homeowners would stay and pay it off…giving the tax dollar invested a better return than pissing it away on speacial interest earmarks like the Democratic congress is working on right now in secret…with 500 Bn in back door waste…

  so play the mental midget all you can…we will root for you two stooges…nobody can play the fools any better…than frenchie and syrup….

• 17. js  |  September 24th, 2008 at 8:56 am

  so…what would 700bn turn into if they were govt owned mortgages with the same rates that T Bills pay out?

  try over 1.1 trillion returned over the 30 year loan…on the 700bn we put in today….

  that would go a long way to stabilize our economy…

  and save millions of families homes while they were at it…

  instead of pissing it all away on special interest earmarks for congressmen who do not represent the interest of the people who put up the tax dollars to start with!!

• 18. Some Assembly Required  |  September 24th, 2008 at 9:40 am

  Hey js, you do realize this bailout will come with no oversight. Paulson will basically be able to do what he wants with the money and shield wall street from an legal action. Don’t get me wrong, I think a bail out is needed, but if we’ve learned anything from this melt down it’s that oversight and regulations need to be imposed on this money. After all, it is from tax payers. Personally, I want to know where every penny of this money is going if we are to help out Wall Street beacuse of their incompetance.

  The deal proposed by Paulson is nothing short of outrageous. It includes no oversight of his own closed-door operations. It merely gives congressional blessing and funding to what he has already been doing, ad hoc. He plans to retain Wall Street firms as advisors to decide just how to cut deals to value and mop up Wall Street’s dubious paper. There are to be no limits on executive compensation for the firms that get relief, and no equity share for the government in exchange for this massive infusion of capital. Both Obama and McCain have opposed the provision denying any judicial review of decisions made by Paulson — a provision that evokes the Bush administration’s suspension of normal constitutional safeguards in its conduct of foreign policy and national security. [...]

  The differences between this proposed bailout and the three closest historical equivalents are immense. When the Reconstruction Finance Corporation of the 1930s pumped a total of $35 billion into U.S. corporations and financial institutions, there was close government supervision and quid pro quos at every step of the way. Much of the time, the RFC became a preferred shareholder, and often appointed board members. The Home Owners Loan Corporation, which eventually refinanced one in five mortgage loans, did not operate to bail out banks but to save homeowners. And the Resolution Trust Corporation of the 1980s, created to mop up the damage of the first speculative mortgage meltdown, the S&L collapse, did not pump in money to rescue bad investments; it sorted out good assets from bad after the fact, and made sure to purge bad executives as well as bad loans. And all three of these historic cases of public recapitalization were done without suspending judicial review.

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/dirty-secret-of-the-bailo_n_128294.html

• 19. Danish Artist  |  September 24th, 2008 at 10:21 am

  “try over 1.1 trillion returned over the 30 year loan…on the 700bn we put in today….”

  That is a higher rate of return than what we would get from Social Security and the liberals are fine with that!!!! They reject any change to that program that is also going bankrupt.

  Oversight? It has been proven that liberals rejected oversight and regulation proposals on THEIR programs TWICE, which caused this huge problem to begin with!!!!!!!

  Why are liberals against change and regulation???

• 20. Some Assembly Required  |  September 24th, 2008 at 10:34 am

  DA, what your smoking has got to be stronger then the payotie (sp) I inhaled last weekend. The deregulations that had directly lead to this mess were sponsored by Republicans. Democrats helped pass them sure, but this stems further back then 2006. By 2006 the damage was already done anyway. What we are seeing now is the bubble finally bursting. It’s commendable that McCain sponsored a bill which might have limited this problem. But then McCain has also sponsored bills to which he has admitted he wouldn’t vote for.

  I’ve yet to see any ‘liberal’ on this site come out and specifically blame the republicans. In fact, anyone from the left states both sides are to blame. It’s really only you right wing windbags that contend it happened because of a dem congress or Clinton. WAKE UP.

  Maybe you need something that will alter your perception of reality. I’d offer my payotie (sp) but I only have about a gram left and plans are already set this coming weekend involving the girlfriend, a fantasia party, some ‘pineapple express’ and maybe some Absinthe. Giddy up!

• 21. FactCheck  |  September 24th, 2008 at 10:48 am

  Reality just bites, doesn’t it, Mark?

  He’s been battling it for a while. John Cole came around and realized how awful the modern GOP is; that really gets Mark’s goat because he cannot seem to make any sort of similar leap. So he hates John Cole like a true believer hates an apostate because to a dead-ender/true believer like Mark, that’s what really happened.

• 22. kimberly4victory  |  September 24th, 2008 at 10:50 am

  Everyone knows the Dems let the ban law expire for political reasons. Most of America wants us to drill and that’s why they caved.

• 23. js  |  September 24th, 2008 at 11:25 am

  so SAR is out to even further discredit the DNC more than it already has dont for itself…oversight was rejected by the Democratically controlled congress in 06…

  so WTF are you crying about it now…it doesnt take a mental midget to figure out that these idiots are posturing and not regulating to start with…oh…sorry…you must be that mental midget..

• 24. Pain  |  September 24th, 2008 at 11:43 am

  Noonan,
  You call John Cole a “traitor” We prefer the word enlightened.

• 25. Some Assembly Required  |  September 24th, 2008 at 11:46 am

  js, Wake up, I’m not a democrat you sycophant. I’m not a republican either. Your blaming democrats for rejecting deregulation but the republican platform is heavily based in it. Shoot, McCain wants to deregulate midicare healthcare. Listen man, once you understand I’m not supporting democrats here I’m simply giving my suggest and views on the issue maybe we can continue this debate. Though I highly doubt it considering your incapable of looking at anything objectively. The only way you can deal with troubling issues is to blame it on democrats.

  Again, Paulson will have no oversight with this bailout if it passes as is. Does this not worry about you? I mean right now this is what’s suggested to stop the bleeding. With no oversight whats to prevent the tax payer (you and me) from being taken to the cleaners. The best you have is ‘discredit the DNC’. WHO GIVES A FLYING F$%# about the DNC when America is being sold at firesale prices and the tax payers will now effectively help to eliminate some of the debt inccured by foreign banks as well as the ones on wall street. This isn’t about dem vs rep anymore. Ahmadinejad stated the American empire is falling and he’s right. Stop the blame game and start working towards solutions to these problems or America will be a footnote in history. It will be shown how corruption can topple even something as remarkable as the US constitution and how the general public did nothing but blame each other for it.

• 26. Fredrick Schwartz  |  September 24th, 2008 at 11:57 am

  I just think it’s hilarious that wingnuts are being forced to defend their president and the SecTreas who has come up with a nationalization plan for Wall Street that Hugo Chavez wouldn’t touch with a 10 meter pole!

  It proves once again that conservatives of the far right bent don’t really believe in anything except what they are TOLD.

• 27. Some Assembly Required  |  September 24th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

  Fredrick, I’d find it funny as well if is was some disheartening. To top the cake Bill Mahar is releasing his movie ‘Religulous’ next week which I’m sure will be enough to make these nuts go completely off the deep end.

  Interesting to note, in theological surveys the US ranks closer to Turkey and Iran then Canada or most of Europe. Maybe it’s just our reflection we see over there that frightens us so much.

  Kind of off topic but note worthy nevertheless.

• 28. Fredrick Schwartz  |  September 24th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

  SAR,

  Point taken. Bewen to Israel several times and they are truly Liberal in ways that would curl the toes of the wingnuts.

  Alas, as the title of this post says it’s about keeping score to them because that fits into their Paradise or Hell worldview. More’s the pity.

• 29. Wellington  |  September 24th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

  The best part of the laughing act is now your supporting a candidate who’s latest meme is changing from the Bush Doctrine.

  So the Republicans have decided to run against themselves. The bums have tiptoed out the back door and circled around to the front and started yelling, ‘Throw the bums out!’

  Didn’t your candidtate say that…

  ANNOUNCER: Washington’s broken. John McCain knows it. We’re worse off than we were four years ago

  Face it Noonan, the majority of people think that your idol did a piss poor job.

  The rest of us look around at smoking ruin of what once was a proud America and say, “we’ve been telling you this for eight years now!”

  EVERYTHING the left has said was going to happen has happened.

  Bush even leaves the economy in tatters. (we said that was going to happen years ago too). Right Libsbane?

  Face it, from soup to nuts, Bush has left America at the pivotal point of no return.

  And yet here on Blogs for Bus…nay…Blogs for Victory, the Bush administration is lauded for their outstanding leadership and thoughtful direction.

  Yeesh.

• 30. Danish Artist  |  September 24th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

  SAR, since you failed to keep up….

  1977 - Community Reinvestment Act.

  1995 Act Amended by Bill Clinton gave us the sub-prime mortgages and publicizing mortgage debt instruments that were heavily used by those who could not ordinarily qualify for a mortage they were seeking. Simply put, borrowing beyond their means or banks would not lend at that level.

  Look them up and see what mortgages have failed the most. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae pumped those mortgages out like mad.

  Now look up Republican, especially John McCain, attempts 2003 (proposal for a new agency to regulate and oversee - NY Times article dated Sept 11, 2003) and 2006 (one was the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2006) at regulation and oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and see that both attempts were squashed like Democrats.

  This information has been on this blog for weeks and coincidentally you liberals fail to discuss it but rather use the same tired old talking points.

  Keep your payote since you will need it to counter the reality you find yourself in - it also might counteract the koolaid you have been consuming.

• 31. Danish Artist  |  September 24th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

  As a side note which is more appropriate to the topic….

  Again the resident lib trolls and the whacko from the daily pornfork have deflected the topic from another liberal failure to the supposed “idiot President”.

  They lost to him again, since he is more likely on the voter side than the lib’s special interests.

  Letting the states decide if there will be drilling off their coasts is exactly the process outlined in the Constitution and not some federal moratorium.

  Why are the liberals refusing to see what is written in the Constitution? The states HAVE the power that the libs have wrongly co-opted.

• 32. Some Assembly Required  |  September 24th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

  Fredrick,

  I’ve yet to travel to Israel but I will someday before I leave this world. I have heard on many occasions there are a few libreals kicking around there however. It’s always been quite a shock to me considering Liberals here in the states are cowards as people on this blog seem to believe.

  Seriously though, it’s not without irony that a place which has been fighting ‘evil’ since pretty much it’s existence have ‘liberals’ and a woman Prime Minister for that matter.

  Back to the Economy, I actually like what Chris Dodd has suggested for the bailout. It’s similar to Paulson’s except it provides an oversight committee and agency. Theres no question in my mind that a bailout is needed if we are to avoid economic collapse. However, if congress passes this bill without any objections (like the Iraq debacle) because of the need for ‘urgency’ I believe it will take well over a decade to regain public trust. First it will be applauded, but once everything calms down and people begin to see what actually happened during the chaos, well 30% approval ratings will be the good ol days.

• 33. Wellington  |  September 24th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

  I will add, as your chuckling about the Dem’s acquiescing to Bush…

  This means Bush and the RNC has had it’s way with just about all direction this country has taken.

  If the Dem’s have caved to Bush so often, Bush must be held responsible for the train wreck America has become.

  You can’t have it both way’s Noonan. The lack of statesmanship and leadership, will be Bush’s legacy.

  By the way, how long have the M3 reports stopped being made public?

• 34. Some Assembly Required  |  September 24th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

  DA, Arctic Fox already shot holes through your nice little meme in a previous thread, by using an article from non other than the kos. The best you responded with is what you did again above. ‘But republicans tried to fix their mess, then those evil dems stopped them’.

  http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/21/9322/74248/245/602838

  As I’ve stated before and will again, this is not about blame right now. I’m sure if you wanted to (had the time to) you could sit down and pour of the last 20 years of legislation and cherry pick where republicans helped / dem’s hurt while ignoring the opposite. It still doesn’t change where we are too.

  You are full of hate and a sad excuse for a human being. It’s really that simple. Just like js you are incapable of objective thought and when faced with troubling circumstances the only way you can cope is to blame the democrats. The parallels to the mentality of you wing-nuts and the third riegh in Germany just before the second world war are frightening. Before you get all hot and bothered let me clarify, I’m not comparing you to the monsters that exterminated so many jews. But I am comparing you to the mindless followers of the party which came to power by blaming one specific group in society for all the problems and troubles they faced instead of addressing and dealing with them themselves. You don’t want any help from government instead you blame other groups for your problems and short comings. Pathetic.

• 35. Dennis  |  September 24th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

  Danish, your post 11 missed the point altogether. Noonan deleted my first post (top of thread) for being “off topic.”

  I opened by citing his words “In the end, how were Democrats defeated? Simple - they came up against men and women who actually put country first…while a group which puts party first can cause a lot of ruckus.”

  I remarked how astonishingly ignorant these words are, considering that the Bush White House actually had a partisan campaign running for practically his whole presidency after 9/11. It was the only way to snooker the American people into supporting all the myriad policies that flew in the face of the nation’s best interests.

  I omitted that Attorney General Gonzales was even running a partisan Justice Dept. Simply put George W. Bush made taxpayers underwrite the most blatantly partisan administration in American history. Meanwhile he allowed the rich fat cats to eat the heart out of America’s economy, leaving only a shell behind.

  Unfortunately his timing was off and now the shell is collapsing before he was able to get out of office and blame it on the Dems.

  My “reality bites” remark was directed at Noonan - a post may be spot on topic but simple statements of fact threaten to throw his world off its axis. Perhaps this post will disappear for being “off topic” too.

• 36. js  |  September 24th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

  SAR, you gotta be one of the true idiots here…i really dont care if you are demoncrat, hippo crat or neuro crat…its doesnt matter…you gotta have your head up your butt if you think anyone would let loose of 700 bn without oversight…so your gossip and inuendo are BS…typical of your stooge reputation…

  warren buffett hit it right on the head…’if congress will do the right thing’….which they choke on…typical demoncrat….

• 37. Wellington  |  September 24th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

  Sorry JS, it can and does happen.

  Tell me O’Blarney, what happened to the 9 billion in cold hard cash that just “disappeared” in Iraq?

  Remember the 3 million stolen from a armored truck a year or two later? (Three mil being transported from a Iraqi bank, during a time of complete chaos)? Can we say “inside job”?

  Stick your head back in the hole. Or just go back and have a few more swigs off the bottle.

• 38. Some Assembly Required  |  September 24th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

  “you gotta have your head up your butt if you think anyone would let loose of 700 bn without oversight”

  Your joking right?

• 39. Some Assembly Required  |  September 24th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

  js, read up on Paulson’s actual plan. Then read Dodd’s actual plan. Paulson is the one that is being pushed, and pushed hard by Bush et al.

  It’s statements like yours above that prove posts like

  26. Fredrick Schwartz | September 24th, 2008 at 11:57 am.

  “It proves once again that conservatives of the far right bent don’t really believe in anything except what they are TOLD.”

• 40. Wellington  |  September 24th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

  This issue is accountability.

  Here’s the real meme of the Bush administration…

  Grab and run baby, grab and run.

• 41. Danish Artist  |  September 24th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

  Dennis after that Biden-like answer you once again prove you are not living in reality. What does that repsonse have to do with my comment and the whole topic of this thread?

  Pelosi/Reid did nothing for energy instead they went on vacation. While away from DC, the American people who have been asking for more drilling (shown in the polls) saw that while the Democrats were on vacation, Republicans stayed behind and continued to demand for a vote before the Democrats forced closing of the Senate /House.

  Now the Dems are letting the moratorium expire, instead of extending it. None are willing to extend it - that is a victory.

  Reality bites you in the ass again.

• 42. js  |  September 24th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

  sar…you have no clue what you are talking about…hence…your head is still stuck in your butt…ill leave you there…you seem to spend a lot of time in that position…

• 43. js  |  September 24th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

  the real crime is that if something isnt done to shore up the dollar it doesnt matter who gets paid what…paulsons proposal was just that…a proposal for what he believes is necessary to avert disaster….the problem is…he laid it in the hands of a committee overseen by the DNC…who is doing everything in thier power to obstruct anything that would make bush or the GOP look good…so they dont include any other language and spent 3 days yankin on pigskin while the clock ticks down….2 more days and markets will drop world wide…confidence in america’s ability to lead the free world will be wiped out…right along with the value of the US Dollar on the world market…then the price of gas will gag the economy…and you though 4 bucks was bad? wait until the food store chains have empty shelves and unemployment is over 25%….

  yank on that pig skin SAR…while you talk out of your arse…nobody gives a s@$&….

• 44. Dennis  |  September 25th, 2008 at 1:48 am

  Danish: “Dennis after that Biden-like answer you once again prove you are not living in reality. What does that repsonse have to do with my comment and the whole topic of this thread?”

  The topic of this thread isn’t Reid, Pelosi or energy policy, but Democrats purportedly losing to Bush. If you had come in at the start of the coversation you would have understood, but you did not.

  But thanks for your little rant.