Post-Debate Reax
October 3rd, 2008 at 08:25am Matt Margolis
Joe Biden lied 14 times during the debate, according to the McCain campaign.
Joe Biden gets the Constitution WRONG.
The New York Daily News says “Palin scores.”
David Brooks of the New York Times called last night The Palin Rebound.
CNN’s Alex Castellanos said, “[W]hen you look at Sarah Palin, you saw America, you saw outsiders, you saw Main Street, not Wall Street. The Republican brand needed to see that tonight and they got it.”
Fred Barnes pinpoints the moment Sarah Palin knew she was winning the debate.
Democratic Strategist Paul Begala said, “Sarah Palin’s strategy was to defend Sarah Palin and repair her damaged image and I think she did pretty good job of that.”
CNBC’s Larry Kudlow said, “I think she’s going to be the clear winner in this, and oddly enough, it’s directly symmetrical to what happened with McCain and Obama. In this case, she held her ground. She was informed and she was strong. … And I’ll tell you what, she made very strong distinctions on energy drilling for lower prices and lower taxes not higher.”
NPR’s Michelle Norris said Paln “delivered a performance that filled in the resume and also helped people perhaps connect to her on a very visceral level.”
Joe Biden, in context, on clean coal: “We’re not supporting ‘clean coal.’ [...] No coal plants here in America. Build them, if they’re going to build them over there make ‘em clean because they’re killing you.”
My friend Rob Willington, the Executive Director of the Massachusetts Republican Party reports on Twitter: “MassGOP is getting bombarded with McCain PALIN yard sign requests after last nights home run performance.”
More as the day rolls on.
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008
124 Comments
1. neocon | October 3rd, 2008 at 8:42 am
Palin solidified the base AGAIN. In Reagan fashion, she spoke directly to nearly every single middle class American and articulated their concerns with eloquence and class. National issues are not issues that require an Ivy league education, rather they are issues that require common sense and western American values, and Sarah emobodies the best of them all.
Biden looked tired and kept rehashing the same old partisan, entrenched DC view that it’s always someone else’s fault and that only he and Obama has all the answers. We need people to step up, take responsibility, run Washington like a business, kick the lobbyists out, put the people first, grow the economy, get government out of the way, make America energy independent, stregthen our borders and let the radical Islam know that we have only just begun to fight.
2. js | October 3rd, 2008 at 9:01 am
an it just keeps getting better!! 320k polled!~!!
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…
BIDEN 29% 91,532
PALIN 70% 223,791
NEITHER 2% 5,467
Total Votes: 320,790
3. Retired Spook | October 3rd, 2008 at 9:03 am
I love Palin’s strategy that, on several occasions when Biden referred to the Bush Administration or tried to link McCain to Bush policies, she said (paraphrasing), now doggone it, Joe,there you go again, looking backwards.
Biden’s performance reminded me of a long ago high school debate between a good friend of mine and a kid from another High school who was considered to be one of the best debaters in town. I can’t remember the specifics of the topic (It was probably 1961 or ‘62), but I will never forget the outcome. My friend was a decent debater in his own right and as prepared as I had ever seen him. His opponent presented some convincing facts and figures with which my buddy was totally unfamiliar and he won convincingly. Only later did my friend discover that the information his opponent used was all just simply made up on the fly. Now being able to think on your feet is, indeed, the mark of a good debater, and Joe Biden exhibited that last night, but what does it say about someone that has to resort to lying to win?
4. CanadianObserver | October 3rd, 2008 at 9:03 am
The debate I watched last night was obviously a different one than the one neocon watched.
Joe Biden stayed on topic and was able to answer directly to the questions put to him, whereas, Sarah Palin, in an effort to hide her ignorance on certain subjects would deflect the question with an answer that had no bearing on the one being asked.
I was especially moved when Biden showed Palin that he is just as committed to his family as she is when he related his experience as a single father bringing up his two sons after losing his wife and daughter in a horrendous car accident.
Overall, Palin performed better than expected but Biden won the debate.
5. kmg | October 3rd, 2008 at 9:18 am
Solidifying the base doesn’t help McCain at this point. He needs to pull a majority of undecideds to his side and the early polls are showing that didn’t happen.
6. hermie | October 3rd, 2008 at 9:37 am
Joe Biden hid his ignorance with bluster and outright lies.
Has he ever read the Constitution regarding the VP post?
He also might want to review the history of Lebanon and Hezbollah
7. neocon | October 3rd, 2008 at 9:38 am
CO & kmg,
1. An energized conservative base is nearly impossible to defeat, and they are energized.
2. Palin show more of a forward thinking command of the issues for someone who has been on the national scene for five weeks vs someone who has been there for over 30 years.
3. Kerry in 2004, had more independent support than Obama does now, and was running against Bush at a time when the war was going miserably, the tax cuts for the rich was the mantra, and Bush was being blamed for everything wrong. Kerry still lost by more than 3.5 million popular votes.
4. Palin has more exectuvie experience than either Obama or Biden and has a proven track record of confronting her own party on corruption. Obama only has a proven track record of joining his own on corruption.
5. By mentioning clean coal and opposing gay marriage, Biden lost the enviromentalists vote and many in the gay lobby in one night.
You will begin to see a tetonic shift in the polls over the next 30 days, and it wont be in your favor.
8. SEW | October 3rd, 2008 at 9:46 am
Notice that the libs count lies as points scored, by the liar. No penalty, no deductions–points scored. The Chicago Cubs could use some foul ball home runs counted and called strike outs with in the dirt pitches. OK with Biden, Obama and their cult followers. Cubs win!
9. Retired Spook | October 3rd, 2008 at 9:56 am
Joe Biden stayed on topic and was able to answer directly to the questions put to him
But he repeatedly lied in doing so. Now, for most Liberals, that’s just simply part of the ends-justifies-the-means game plan — right out of “Rules for Radicals”, the unofficial Democrat Party play book. The problem is, it doesn’t play well in middle America.
10. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:05 am
What was up with Biden’s face? It looked like it had been pulled back with a winch!
LOL
11. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:06 am
Don’t believe the polls from the MSM. They are heavily weighted with dems.
12. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:09 am
And who was Biden constantly smiling at? Was it Gwen?
13. CanadianObserver | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:22 am
12. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:09 am
And who was Biden constantly smiling at? Was it Gwen?
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Perhaps it was the same person Palin kept blinking and winking at.
14. Casper | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:22 am
“But he repeatedly lied in doing so. Spook
So did Palin.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html
15. Amanda | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:23 am
Numbers 3 and 9 on that “list of lies” are not lies at all. For number 3, he was repeating the mantra of so many who advocate for domestic and off-shore drilling. In context, he said, “They say, drill, drill, drill. Drill we must…”
On number 9, I lead you here: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/03/fact-check-did-afghan-general-say-surge-principle-wont-work/#more-22420
16. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:24 am
Casper-
Factchecker??
LOL
17. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:26 am
“Perhaps it was the same person Palin kept blinking and winking at.”
I would sure hell rather see Sarah blinking and winking at anybody before seeing Biden smile with old botox filled face!
18. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:42 am
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…
BIDEN 28% 106,848
PALIN 70% 265,685
NEITHER 2% 6,548
Total Votes: 379,081
19. Obama08 | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:44 am
Sarah Palin won, though I suspect collegiate debate judges with the American Forensic Association would not have scored it that way.
She didn’t win because she was smarter or more persuasive or more articulate. She wasn’t. At times she was utterly incoherent, as when she answered a question about bankruptcy regulation with a jarring non sequitir about her experience on energy policy. Huh?
–Stephen F. Hayes, Weekly Standard
20. js | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:44 am
the real numbers continue to tell the real story;;
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…
BIDEN 28% 107,193
PALIN 70% 266,472
NEITHER 2% 6,566
Total Votes: 380,231
its pretty obvious that when you dont go chasing for numbers and just let the natural polling take place…the results are crystal clear…
Palin won by a land slide!!
21. kimberly4victory | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:46 am
I believe the New York Post had the best summary of the debate:
“For his part, Biden sounded like the warmed-over has-been that he is - he seemed to be on downers. Where she was thrilling and exciting, he was hypnotically boring. He seemed like more of the same, while she seemed like a breath of fresh air.”
22. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:48 am
Even AOL has her winning:
Poll Results
Who won the debate?
Sarah Palin 47% 204,877
Joe Biden 45% 197,286
It was a draw 8% 36,666
Note on Poll Results
Total Votes: 438,829
http://webcenter.polls.aol.com/modular.jsp?resType=7&view=152547&popup=yes&template=1609&channel=aol_us_election08&pollId=152822
23. kimberly4victory | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 am
Two things Biden said last night that will stick in my mind:
I’ll never change.
Obama’s glass is half-empty.
24. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 10:56 am
kim-
“Two things Biden said last night that will stick in my mind:
I’ll never change.
Obama’s glass is half-empty”
I agree, I thought they were supposed to be “change we can believe in”?
Most liberals see the glass half empty, they live for negative news and are miserable all the time.
25. Rasmus | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:01 am
All,
I think it’s fair to say that expectations regarding Palins performance in this debate had been lowered considerably. Now that she didn’t screw it up, it actually looks like a victory for the Republicans which is quite funny. She survived but she didn’t do well. She seems to have an arsenal of 10-15 one-liners and a few memorized statements related to each topic. Is it just me or does she rarely answer the question that is posed to her? She seems to always fall back on Oil, Mavericks or Hockey Moms no matter what the topic is. Strange.
Neo,
“You will begin to see a tetonic shift in the polls over the next 30 days, and it won’t be in your favor.”
Interesting point of view. Would you like to put your money where your mouth is? If McCain wins I will sent you a nice bottle of wine from Catalonia after which I will go jump off a bridge, what will you sent me if Obama wins?
26. kimberly4victory | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:03 am
Liberals are in full-denial mode today.
Our Lipstick is better than your Dipstick (both of them).
27. CanadianObserver | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:16 am
Is it just me or does she rarely answer the question that is posed to her? She seems to always fall back on Oil, Mavericks or Hockey Moms no matter what the topic is. Strange.
25. Rasmus | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:01 am
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No, Rasmus, it is not just you.
She has been programmed and when she is hit with anything that was not covered in her indoctrination, she flounders.
Has anyone ever tallied the number of times she has uttered those phrases hockey mom & maverick?
28. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:17 am
Oh I know, I have looked at other blogs and the libs are panicked. They know Sarah kicked @ss.
29. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:39 am
Hey CO,
Do you worry about what is going on in your country as much as you do ours? Why would you concern yourself? You have no vote here unless you travel to Chicago on election day, maybe ACORN could get you into our polls there.
P.S. How is that socialized medicine working for you?
30. Obama08 | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:53 am
The debate will not change anything and the momentum is with Obama.
Now, from physics we know that without any additional force, momentum will stay the same.
That is:
Momentum = mass • velocity
Force changes the velocity component in the above equation as the integral of the acceleration over time. Since there is no applied force, from F=ma, the integral is a constant and therefore does not change.
The Momentum of Barack winning remain constant.
Even Charles Krauthammer realizes this now.
31. Some Assembly Required | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:54 am
“Has anyone ever tallied the number of times she has uttered those phrases hockey mom & maverick?”
We tried taking a shot every time she said hockey mom or referred to her kids. It was actually worse then shooting everytime a fight broke out on Jerry Springer.
Biden won the debate. Palin didn’t completely implode but she didn’t do well enough to justify McCain’s judgement in picking her. It was a lot better then the Couric interview, however the bar was set so low for her walking into this debate because of it she almost couldn’t fail. Please keep in mind, it’s important to have Jane sixpack represented, but you do not want Jane herself running things.
Ps, She things Cheney’s power is appropriate. That in itself will scare away most of the undecided voters.
32. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:56 am
“The Momentum of Barack winning remain constant”
According to who? NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NY TIMES??
LMFAO!!!
33. hermie | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:57 am
Biden doesn’t even know what the role of the VP is.
After 30 plus years and he doesn’t know, yet he can call Cheney’s role ‘dangerous’?
34. Timothy Horrigan | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:59 am
You can’t blame Gov. Palin too much for not wanting to look at the past. The last 7 years and 9 months have been a disaster for the American people. Bush & Cheney aren’t to blame for everything which went wrong, but they made even the things which weren’t their fault much much worse. Even their response to 9/11 has been bad: Osama has NOT been smoked out and (although no one mentions this) the World Trade Center is for the most part STILL a giant hole in the ground.
(Yeah, I know the WTC is owned by the NY/NJ Port Authority which is not a federal agency— and yeah, I know the PA leases most of the site to private developers– but it is still afact that Bush has done nothing to get the rebuilding process untracked. And ironically, the government responded much better than the vaunted private sector, and the inefficient and bureaucratic government did its part of the job with amazing speed. The NYPD and NYFD responded with incredible courage; the site was cleared of debris in a remarkable short time by the local government; and even the commuter rail station under the site was back up and running within a year or so.)
35. kimberly4victory | October 3rd, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Liberals are in full-denial mode today.
Our Lipstick is better than your Dipstick (both of them).
Check out the photos from the rally (new thread)!!
36. kimberly4victory | October 3rd, 2008 at 12:01 pm
There is a major shortage of waaaaaambulances today.
37. Retired Spook | October 3rd, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Two things Biden said last night that will stick in my mind:
Kimberly, I think you have to add a third: that Biden didn’t know that Article I of the Constitution enumerates the powers of the Legislative Branch and Article II enumerates the powers of the Executive Branch, and that the VP is the President of the Senate all the time, not just in the event of tie votes. For a self-professed policy wonk and general all around know-it-all, that is just glaringly ignorant and inexcusable for someone who’s running for the second highest office in the land. I think he was so intent on saying nasty things about Cheney that he just lost his place mentally.
Casper, I note that of the the 4 “mangled facts” by Palin in the summary of your FactCheck link, none is an outright lie, while 3 of the 4 attributed to Biden were just glaring lies and the one about McCain not meeting with the Leader of Spain was, at best, a misrepresentation.
As for the Palin statements they criticize:
(1) While overall troop levels have not yet fallen back to pre-surge levels, combat troop levels have. As NewsMax notes:
(2) The only error in her statement about Obama voting to raise taxes on incomes as low as $42,000 was that she should have said “individuals”, not “families”. The amount was correct. In the analysis section, FactCheck.org says this:
You will note that both of the bolded amounts are SUBSTANTIALLY less than the $250,000 figure that Obama and Biden like to tout.
(3) As for McCain’s health plan being “budget neutral”, FactCheck.org says this:
Independent budget experts estimate McCain’s plan would cost tens of billions each year, though details are too fuzzy to allow for exact estimates. I don’t know who the “Independent budget experts” are — they don’t say. But I’m betting it wouldn’t be too hard to find “experts” who disagree.
By comparison, The New England Journal of Medicine (not an un-named “independent budget expert”) says this about Obama’s plan:
Although the Obama plan would substantially expand access to insurance, it lacks reliable cost-control mechanisms and a viable financing source. Reinsurance would shift private-sector costs for catastrophic cases to the government but would not reduce total health care expenditures. The plan also assumes that substantial savings will be achieved by increasing the use of electronic medical records, improving the management of chronic conditions, and strengthening prevention, but none of these worthwhile measures is likely to control costs in the short run. The new national health plan could control costs, but its effectiveness in slowing spending would depend on its enrollment and the political willingness to restrain provider payments.
The Obama campaign says it would finance the $50 billion to $65 billion in new federal spending for its health plan by allowing tax cuts adopted in 2001 and 2003 for families making over $250,000 to expire. However, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) already assumes in its projections that these tax cuts will end after 2010, so their expiration will not generate new revenues to satisfy congressional budget rules.4 And if savings from prevention, disease management, and electronic medical records are not realized — or if the CBO does not validate them as an acceptable financing source — then the Obama plan would need substantial additional revenues to fund expanded coverage. (emphasis added)
(4) I guess you could claim that Palin’s statement that millions of small businesses would see a tax increase under Obama’s tax plan is a lie. I see it as more of an exaggeration — not a biggie in the overall scheme of things. The fact is that Obama’s tax policies would raise taxes on the producers, job creators and risk takers in this country — the people who pull the wagon, while, at the same time, enlarging the wagon so more people could ride. If you take him at his word that 95% of the people would get a tax cut under his plan, then the 40+% who currently pay NO taxes or actually have a negative tax liability, would pay even less, the ones that were still employed, that is. (mull that over for a bit.)
38. Some Assembly Required | October 3rd, 2008 at 12:07 pm
30. Obama08 | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:53 am
You are correct, but the force dissipates overtime due to friction. As we have seen this race is changing from week to week. This debate did not inject enough force into McCain’s campaign. It did accelerate the base a little but did not increase it’s mass. Obama’s campagin seemed to add a generator to maintain the same force but has not gained any.
I do not believe McCain will be able to sway the undecided voters in the coming weeks; but then no one has ever figured out what would happen if an unstoppable force met an unmovable object either so who knows.
39. Timothy Horrigan | October 3rd, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Oh, and the reason Bush-Cheney’s record is relevant to McCain-Palin is of course their polices are identical. McCain and Palin may be mavericks, but they are mavericks who support the same failed policies that Bush & Cheney (who, if you recall, used to be mavericks themselves 8 years ago.)
40. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
I really liked how the cuda did not want to be aligned with the current Bush adminstration.
She called your hero’s administration “bumbling”! Over and over. Did you guys like that?
She did not want to bring up the “past”. (While quoting Reagan) Those that do not remember the past are destined to repeat it. Instead of saying that was “past” why not just say…”don’t look behind those curtains”.
See, we don’t want to talk about the elephant in the room.
I loved how Joe put his hand up to his ear and said “he hasn’t heard any changes from the Bush Doctrine”.
I love it when the canidates you know support tear Bush a new bunger.
This blog was dedicated to Bush. Do you agree with the cuda’s assesment of the Bush administration?
Let me say it again. Everything the left has said about Bush has come true. Everything. The Iraq war debacle, the lack of a energy plan, a sound fiscal policy, yeesh, you name it.
Bush has left this country in tatters and now nobody wants to talk about it.
Let’s have no comparisons to Bush, and let’s not have any concrete deviations from his doctrine.
Biden is right. There are no changes. McCain will continue supporting the RNC platform which is virtually the same platform of the past eight years.
Mavericks? Spare us the B.S. Nothing but soundbytes. Sloganeering at it’s haughty best.
41. Rasmus | October 3rd, 2008 at 12:23 pm
So now right wingers can’t get their arms down simply because Palin didn’t fuck it up? Never mind that she didn’t do very well, she didn’t fuck it up! Brahhhhhhaaa……
42. Casper | October 3rd, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Spook,
I guess lies are in the eyes of the beholder, at least in this case. IMO the McCain campaign has told a lot more lies than the Obama campaign, and continues to repeat the same lies time and time again, even after being called on it. But I’m sure you would argue the opposite.
43. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Ahhh…that’s the difference. Why not just say “we don’t have as many troops in…desert camo as we did” Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Double talk. You know it. Plain and simple, there’s more troops.
Tomato, tomaato, potato, potataato. You make me laugh.
Right now my employer pays a big portion of my medical, I pay the balance-depending on which plan I choose.
McCain will not give a…voucher, or a check, he will give me a tax deduction for 5k.
My employer will do away with company contributions to my medical. (Wow is this going to save them billions, which will float down to me right?) I’m sure they’ll make it up in a pay increase. (snicker).
Now I have to find my own medical. Lay out the monthly cash. The amount of net from my paycheck went WAY DOWN.
Hey, I get a 5k deduction come April 15th right?
Until taxes go up. You can spare me B.S. about taxes not going up. Your just shifting the tax burden from the Fed to the States. It’ll go up.
Business get a huge payday. I get the shaft.
I’m sure the money will trickle down from heaven if I pray hard enough.
I have not been wrong yet. Everything I said about Bush and his policies has come true.
Everything.
I know I’m right on this one too.
44. kimberly4victory | October 3rd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Big Gaff: Biden clearly called Regime Change In Iraq to be part of the Bush Doctrine, when in reality it is national policy, signed into law by Bill “Just Put Some Ice On That” Clinton in the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 making it National Policy:
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government.
Ooops.
You’re right, RS. I just couldn’t list ALL of them … not enough space. LOL!!
45. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Kim-
You will not get a response to that one because there is no arguing what that liberation act says.
46. FactCheck | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Is it just me or does she rarely answer the question that is posed to her? She seems to always fall back on Oil, Mavericks or Hockey Moms no matter what the topic is. Strange.
Well, she had to–she wasn’t really responding to questions, she was reciting scripted talking points. That’s why her answers so often had nothing to do with the questions: She had her script, and she was gonna recite it, dammit, no matter how wildly off-topic she had to veer to do so.
I find it funny (but not the slightest bit surprising) that the wingnuts here are trying so hard to convince themselves that:
1) Sarah Palin won a handy victory, and
2) This means the McCain campaign is about to retake the lead.
No, and no.
47. neocon | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Casper,
If you’re a teacher, why aren’t you in school?
Evidently Palin has the liberals red-lining again because of her Reaganesque approach to the debate last night that solidified ber bona fides and re-energized the base.
She will be a force to reckon with for years to come. And I am interested on how the liberals react to her embrace of same sex civil unions, considering they deem her a religious whacko.
48. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Hey FactCheck, Check this:
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…
BIDEN 28% 127,420
PALIN 70% 313,754
NEITHER 2% 8,151
Total Votes: 449,325
No political agenda from msm pollsters, just a basic question.
49. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Was regime change part of the Bush doctrine?
Yes. Yes it was. National policy or whatever, regime change was a HUGE focus encompassing the Bush doctrine.
(shhhh…don’t talk about Bush anymore…that’s the past)
Now we’re Mavericks! We still support and will implement the Republican platform, we will not change anything dramatic from the Bush (oh darn it, I said the B word again, that’s the past) doctrine.
But we’re Mavericks darn it.
50. Casper | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
neocon,
It’s called a planing period and passing periods.
51. CanadianObserver | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:09 pm
29. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 11:39 am
Hey CO,
Do you worry about what is going on in your country as much as you do ours?
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Our election will not affect the rest of the world one way or another, Damnright. If the Harper government is returned, that’s ok; if it is the Liberals, or even if the NDP win, that’s still alright.
However, the outcome of the American election, whether you like it or not, will have consequences for the rest of the world. Those are the facts.
As for our universal health care; whatever problems we may have, it sure beats what the average American has to contend with, even those who do have insurance. No Canadian has had to declare bankruptcy due to medical bills.
52. Now What? | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Maybe there is another poll you should follow other then Drudge.
CNN has Biden in front 57% or so and Palin with about 37%.
You are all jokes
53. hermie | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Of course, when Canadians need specific services ASAP, they have to come to the US to get treatment.
54. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 pm
I have a new media concept for you.
You’re no longer the Republican party.
You’re now the MAVERICK party! Out with those “good old boy” republicans. Out with the greed, graft, and kickbacks. Out with the filibustering. Out with the partisanship.
We’re the Maverick party. We’re different. We want reform and change.
(we just can’t spell out how we’re going to do it yet, but…trust us…we will)
We are no longer associated with those dirty Republicans and we won’t make the same BUMBLING mistakes the Bus…er…the “last” administration made.
The new improved Maverick party.
Yeah, now that’s the ticket.
55. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Hey Well-
Do you look like this:
http://www.timetravelreviews.com/images/television/peabody.jpg
I can just imagine your pathetic little miserable life, just scouring the internet for any bad news for the country so you can blame it on McCain.
Sad.
56. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
“As for our universal health care; whatever problems we may have”
I have no problem getting health care, if I need an operation it is prompt.
I traveled through your country once, beautiful country by the way, but I stopped at one of your government run “service stations” along the highway, I hope your hospitals are cleaner and friendlier.
Your elections are irrelevant then? Does that make your country and therefore your opinions on our business irrelevant also?
57. js | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:35 pm
actually wellsington the GOP always has been the maveric party from its inception…when it opposed slavery…and took the unpopular stand that the meaning of “all men were created equal” actually meant all men…not just the english…
58. kimberly4victory | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
CNN poll? LOL. CNN’s viewers are Obots. Obots storm the CNN polls. Same with MSNBC. In fact, the last MSNBC poll showed 80% of the responders were foreigners.
Artic Fox’s favorite poll (surveyusa) shows Palin as the winner - even among Independents, and that was with a higher number of Democrats polled.
The good thing about the Drudge poll (unlike CNN’s poll) is that you could only vote ONCE. During the 2004 election, I remember seeing a thread on dailykos about how to skew the online polls.
59. FactCheck | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
And now, the (startlingly accurate) Sarah Palin debate flow chart
60. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
CNN, LOL indeed.
61. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Yeesh, I don’t have to scour the internet(s) for bad news.
I really like this new meme. The Bush administration and it’s bumbling is now past and we won’t go there.
I mean like all these problems I’m scouring for are so yesterday.
Get a grip will ya? Open a friggin newspaper.
62. Some Assembly Required | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm
53. hermie | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Yes they do, but they don’t need to re-finance their house to pay for it.
I watched the Canadian debate last night as well. I have to say I really liked the style of it. All the party leaders sat around a table were asked a question and had at it. Though at times it seemed more like a gang rape of harper, it was spirited and fairly entertaining. It was also a lot more personal then two candidates standing at a podium staring into a camera.
63. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Joe Biden just before the debate:
http://bigheaddc.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/nancy-pelosi-facelift.JPG
Seriously what was with the face?
64. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:42 pm
“Open a friggin newspaper.”
Don’t read liberal rags, but thanks anyway.
65. Some Assembly Required | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:43 pm
One more thing, Canada’s election is not irrelavent. As i understand it, if the NDP or Green party gain power (unlikely) they will further regulate the Alberta tar sands slowing production. Seeing as how Canada is the largest importer of Oil to the US I can see that becoming a major problem.
66. Parker | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Palin came out ‘ahead’ simply by not screwing up. I was impressed with her poise and yes, she did come across with that folksy charm people were talking about. She passed the first test. But people are now going to expect more than that from her from this point on and that’s where it’s going to get interesting.
BTW - If Palin really wants to distance McCain and herself from the Bush administration, she should learn how to pronounce the word ‘nuclear’.
67. Some Assembly Required | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Palin actually blamed the MSM in the debate. That made me laugh ‘at’ her.
68. kimberly4victory | October 3rd, 2008 at 2:08 pm
38% of Hillary Clinton supporters not voting for Obama have taken their blinders off and have noticed the complete bias of the MSM. SAR, you really should stop drinking the Obot koolaide. But go ahead, pull the lever for the two most pathological liars this election has ever seen … Obama/Biden.
69. CanadianObserver | October 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
56. Damnright | October 3rd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I have no problem getting health care, if I need an operation it is prompt.
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Happy to hear that, Damnright. Now, if only all Americans could say the same thing.
Let’s hope with the swearing in of a new administration in January, they all will be in your position.
I can’t vouch for the cleanliness of the service area you stopped at, Damnright, but I’ve never had a sanitation problem with any medical facility I’ve visited. Not to say there wouldn’t be any if you looked hard enough, as would be true in any society, regardless of what medical plan was in operation.
70. Some Assembly Required | October 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Complete bias of the MSM… They practically skinned Clinton alive compared to what they are doing for Palin.
Your addicted to the ‘mavrick’ koolaid. To the point where you actually believe Palin won the debate last night hands down. She dodged questions and reverted to que cards and talking points when she got stumped. she spent more time looking down and speaking then into the camera unless she was talking about her kids. Anyone with a highschool education could clearly tell she lost the debate. Just because she didn’t epically fail does not mean she wins by default. You scream bias but thats what your preaching my dear. Also, it’s pretty demeaning in my eyes to claim victory for the women even though by intellectual standards she lost the debate.
Que the lies talking point now. It’s all you got where you cannot refute the fact that from a debate stand point Biden whooped her. I mean, at least he answered all the questions.
71. Jay Gaultieri | October 3rd, 2008 at 2:34 pm
The debate just pretty much hardened everyone’s opinion. I said yesterday Palin should give nonanswers to please her base and she did. It fired up the social conservatives and the “bitter” crowd. Some of what she said was code—”The 2nd Holocasust” she spoke of regarding Israel is part of the whole Rapture and End Times business. And the “white flag of surrender” in Iraq was totally to the base. Most of America is sick of Iraq.
That said, it’s not enough. Most Americans don’t live in small towns, aren’t socially conservative, and don’t think that it’s up to us to stop brown people 7000 miles away from killing each other if they want to.
72. hermie | October 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm
They skinned Clinton because she was no longer their favored Dem. They decided to worship at the Church of the Obamamessiah, and Clinton was now considered a heretic in the land of the Uber Liberal
73. hermie | October 3rd, 2008 at 2:38 pm
.. and of course Biden just plain lied or made up the facts…That’s easy to do if you know that the MSM won’t call you on it.
74. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Bush! Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush.
I’m damned to live in the “past”.
Must not look at the elephant. Must not look at the elephant.
Must not talk about the Republican platform.
Must not use the word Republican.
How do I get out of this crazy way back machine?
75. SEW | October 3rd, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Highest rated VP debate ever. 42% more viewers than The One/McCain. Women of America, time to vote for a real woman, not the man hating feminist liberal of the Democrat variety. A real woman.
Watch the libs contend everyone wanted to see Slow Joe lie again. They weren’t disappointed either.
76. Fool Disclosure | October 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
During the last eight years, all we’ve heard from the Bush administration is “Clinton saddled us with this problem.” Sometimes I think the Bush administration was simply programming us to shut our ears to this cry. That way, when the next administration inherits the slug sandwich that is the current State of the Union, we won’t pay any attention when they say “Bush left us this mess.”
On the other hand, Bush is still President and we are still at war in Iraq. Fair game to bring it up now.
77. SEW | October 3rd, 2008 at 2:49 pm
“How do I get out of this crazy way back machine?”
Vote McCain/Palin. And drill baby, drill.
78. Danish Artist | October 3rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Obama08, the F=ma equation does not take into account FRICTION, whether it is a result of gravity, wind resistance or in contact with a surface. Tell me, does a golf ball continue in motion. According to your explanation, since there is no acceleration, therefore the velocity is constant and mass stays the same as well. Any first year physics students (and some seniors in high school knows this).
Your equation works with only freebodies in the vacuum of space. And only your logic, works there as well (in this case it is the vacuum between your ears).
I see someone has still not returned from fantasy land.
79. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Oh doggone it. It’s just so cute. I’m sure you will all agree her folksy charm will go over big in the international arena. Talk about detente.
Dontcha just want to pinch her cheeks, put your arm ’round her and listen to HER past as council woman of Wasilla?
You betcha!
80. js | October 3rd, 2008 at 3:16 pm
ya its pretty cute when a DC newcomer (that really isnt even there yet…) knocked the crutches out from under one of them “good ol’ boyz, eh?
81. bill powers | October 3rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
My favorite line of Palin:
Failed polices of George Bush.
Never in a my life would I have thought the Republican VP nominee would utter that.
There is hope after all.
82. bill powers | October 3rd, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Just out of curiosity…does anyone have any links to the number of undecided voters that changed their mind after last night’s debate?
83. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 3:31 pm
I am admitting the folksy charm is just so cute!
Don’tcha just think that the women who take on leadership roles cringe at her “folksyness”?
Women like your own Condi Rice, Meg Whitman, and others like, Angela Merkel, Madaline Albright are examples of women who can lead without the gimmickery of “folksyness”.
Spare me the home spun tales. Spare me the folksy charm. I have had enough of 8 years of good ole’ folksy charm. Spare me the gimmick. Spare me the B.S.
The shtick is old now. Cute ain’t cutting it no more.
You betcha.
84. SEW | October 3rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm
“My favorite line of Palin:
Failed polices of George Bush” bill powers
Link please. I heard failed policies of the past. Clinton/Carter?
85. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Yep, yep Bill.
How do you ultra rightwing neoconservatives feel about this remark?
Doggone it. This must gut you guys. Come on. Tell us how you feel. Spill it. Spin it.
Now dontcha you go pointing that finger to the “past”. Stay in the present.
86. CanadianObserver | October 3rd, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Wellington, you are right on the money. Palin’s folksiness shtick is just too reminiscent of Bush’s act.
It will not register well with the International crowd. As you’ve said, 8 years of that stuff is more than enough.
We are ready now to see some intelligent grownup leadership from the U.S.
87. A-10 | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Ass…
If you judge “winning” the debate by giving an answer to every question, then Sen Biden probably won.
If you judge “winning” the debate by giving an answer that wasn’t a lie, half-truth, or distortion, Gov Palin won in a landslide.
Some of the lies (or just making up stuff) were so outrageous that it takes your breath away.
“We are spending more in 3 weeks in Iraq than we have spent in 7 years in Afghanistan” WRONG. We spend about $8B every 3 weeks in Iraq, while we have spent $172B in Afghanistan. Sen Biden was only off by a factor of about 20. But if that is close enough for you, great.
“Sen Obama never said he would meet with the leader of Iran.” A flat out lie. Check the tape. Sen Obama did say he would meet with them.
Sen Biden claims we should intervene in countries where terrorists are harbored and genocide is being committed. THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID IN IRAQ!!!!!! He criticizes the fictional “Bush Doctrine”, then turns around and espouses the same policy.
Sen Biden claims that a “Surge” would not work in Afghanistan, then in the next breath says we need more troops. HELLO? What do you think the “Surge” consists of? More troops, clearing and holding areas.
There is no way that Sen Biden won the debate. His answers were so far from the truth that you had to suspend disbelief to understand them (to quote Sen Clinton).
88. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:07 pm
and I’m sure everyone in your township agrees with you.
89. phnx | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:11 pm
“Palin’s folksiness shtick is just too reminiscent of Bush’s act. It will not register well with the International crowd.” CO
How many times do we have to tell you. They don’t vote and we don’t care about their opinions…or yours.
Go ppound tar sand.
90. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
We have to remember CO that here on B4V it’s us against the world.
I don’t think they understand that most of America would like to be a participant in the world, one nation amongst many nations, and have respectability returned.
These people need a father like authoritarian leader rather than a statesman. The present situation in the United States is a direct result of “cowboy diplomacy”.
I do not think B.O. is next messiah or end all and be all. I disagree with him on many of his positions like telecom immunity, and continued war in Afghanistan. I disagree on other issues as well.
I do think he is an intelligent statesman who has the best interests of the U.S. at heart. I do believe he will put together a bi-partisan cabinet (i.e. Hagel)-among other republicans and democrats, to have the best advise available.
I do believe he will re-build our standing in the international community, albeit slowly. (better than none at all with McSame)
Some of us do want to be considered a rebuilt example of what once was.
It’s a shame a few of the isolationist Neanderthals who post here can’t come along for the ride.
91. FactCheck | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
If you judge “winning” the debate by giving an answer that wasn’t a lie, half-truth, or distortion, Gov Palin won in a landslide.
Wrong. Please revise and try again.
92. phnx | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Biden did OK. After 30+ years in Congress he should be able to debate. But face it leftists, Biden changed no ones mind. The fact that he made no major gaffes was the only surprise.
On the otherhand, Palin was at best an unknown to most of the viewers. Many tuned in last night to watch the her go down in flames as predicted by the MSM.
when she not only didn’t wilt under pressure, but held her own and even set Biden back on his heels several times. She stopped the slide and convinced some undecided voters to voter for McCain.
Is that going to be enough to win the election? I don’t think so. McCain has got to do better in the next two debates.
What Palin did was establish that she will be a force to be reckoned with regardless of the outcome on Nov. 4.
93. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Yes, I think Sarah Palin did well. No argument.
94. Rob | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Sarah Rules!!! Four more years!!!
95. Rob | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:46 pm
I really do urge our Democrats to step back from the edge - you are sitting in a lake of gasoline and you are playing with fire. We on our side will only put up with so much before we start to pay back with usury what we have received. If you can’t defeat John McCain in the electoral field, then you will simply have to accept him as President of the United States - and you’d better start accepting political reality before things get really bad.
96. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
I wouldn’t go that far. She did well. That’s all.
97. CanadianObserver | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:49 pm
89. phnx | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:11 pm
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phnx, you do realize that the leadership of the United States of America will, at one time or another, have to deal with other countries, don’t you?
Would you not prefer to be represented by individuals who are respected for their ability to lead with intelligence and foresight and not thought of as a colossal joke by those other countries?
What has happened to the pride Americans once felt in producing inspiring leadership?
When did this glorification of stupidity start?
I do agree with Wellington, however, that the majority of Americans want to change the perception that the rest of the world has held of the U.S. for the last 8 years.
98. Retired Spook | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:49 pm
They don’t vote and we don’t care about their opinions
phnx, I certainly agree with the second part of that sentence, and I can only hope that the first part is correct. I suspect the Dems are going to commit voter fraud on a massive scale in this election. I mean, if dead people can vote, what’s to stop non-citizens from voting?
99. Retired Spook | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:52 pm
When did this glorification of stupidity start?
That’s easy, CO; with the peanut farmer.
100. Wellington | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:52 pm
hehehehehehe. Come on now. Doggone it. Oh we’re accepting political reality alright. Dontchew worry about that.
You betcha.
101. phnx | October 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
spook,
I have no doubt that the there will be massive leftist voter fraud again this time around. During the last election, the Acorn nuts tried to register one of our foreign employees in Philadelphia. They persisted even after he told them he was not a citizen.
102. FactCheck | October 3rd, 2008 at 5:10 pm
When did this glorification of stupidity start?
I’m sure it started pre-Bush, but the Bush administration damn near elevated it to an art form and really made ignorance a point of pride for conservatives. Daniel Larison (the best conservative blogger around, IMO), would really like conservatism to abandon its love of stupidity:
Dead on.
103. David B. Schmidt | October 3rd, 2008 at 6:09 pm
I tried to stay out of this one until Wellington spouts…
Are you serious??? Please give me an example…the Messiah European tour? Hell, he was an adult before he stepped foot back into this country and now wants to be POTUS with ZERO experience. Book smart, maybe, but I have more international experience than he does just from the years in the Marine Corps and business travel.
LMFAO
FactCheck — check your facts: Biden:14 flat out lies which was 12 more than I needed to collect on my bet.
BTW, they both did what they needed to do but Biden looked like the handlers wouldn’t let him out there without a muzzle. If they did…
because Biden would claim that as factual right after he got done watching reruns of FDR telling America about the Great Depression on TV.
104. SEW | October 3rd, 2008 at 6:10 pm
“My favorite line of Palin:
Failed polices of George Bush.
Yep, yep Bill.
How do you ultra rightwing neoconservatives feel about this remark?
Doggone it. This must gut you guys. Come on. Tell us how you feel. Spill it. Spin it.”
Wellington
You mean the quote from bill power? Spin your lie? PDS Palin Derangement Syndrome
105. SEW | October 3rd, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Sorry Wellington and power, that would be both BDS and PDS that you suffer from.
106. FactCheck | October 3rd, 2008 at 6:31 pm
FactCheck — check your facts
Uhhhh…I did. And they showed both candidates lying (and Palin often refusing to answer the actual question, instead going off on some talking-point jag, but that’s another story). Yet you seem to think that only one candidate’s lies matter. Why are you so in love with Sarah Palin’s lies? Do they make you feel good?
107. liberalD | October 3rd, 2008 at 6:42 pm
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08.htm
if you look at any poll - clearly most of america thought that Biden solidly won the debate. Sarah did fine - she stayed on her script and didn’t further humiliate herself - but only because she was allowed to avoid directly answering many questions.
try to spin it anyway you want but although seemly earnest and good willed - Palin just isn’t very smart or particularly knowledgeable.
True - the American people don’t seem to vote for the most intelligent and knowledgeable person as evidence of twice electing Bush - but anyway you want to spin it she simply lost the debate.
Moreover - as you can see from the link above Biden’s favorabilty numbers are clearly stronger as are his numbers for his positions in general.
Spin away - but you guys lost again
108. Fool Disclosure | October 3rd, 2008 at 7:00 pm
A good friend of mine just told me that she watched the debate with her children last night.
She couldn’t help but notice that her kids could follow Sarah Palin, but couldn’t understand what Joe Biden was saying. And it wasn’t because he mumbled.
I told her that she must be raising some extremely stupid children. Honestly.
109. kimberly4victory | October 3rd, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Online polls are useless - especially CNN, ABC, CBS, etc. - because there is a way to vote MORE than once. The Drudge and AOL polls were more accurate because you could only vote ONCE.
110. kimberly4victory | October 3rd, 2008 at 7:12 pm
I mean, come on, do these kooks have a life?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/3/1121/82912
111. Casper | October 3rd, 2008 at 7:14 pm
kimberly4victory,
“Online polls are useless - especially CNN, ABC, CBS, etc. - because there is a way to vote MORE than once. The Drudge and AOL polls were more accurate because you could only vote ONCE.”
You are correct, and online polls taken by hyperpartisan sites like Drudge are worthless regardless of how many times you are allowed to vote. What will be interesting is to see where the daily polls are three days from now. I’m guessing the debate isn’t going to make much of a difference.
112. Fool Disclosure | October 3rd, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Ignore the polls and wait for the election.
Internet Poll: Biased and opaque.
Government contracted touch-screen voting machine: Technology You Can Trust.
113. Casper | October 3rd, 2008 at 7:20 pm
kimberly4victory,
BTW, what makes you think a person can only vote on Drudge or AOL once? I’m thinking after the next debate, I could vote at least 3 or 4 times on either poll if I wanted to.
114. liberalD | October 3rd, 2008 at 7:47 pm
kimberly - those are not internet polls. Read the fine print.
Sure - they are polls just like any other samping are prone to error , sampling bias, etc. But they are not online polls which you vote as many times as you want.
Actually you point out precisely why the Druge poll is probably complete crap. Its a conservative news site. No sample bias there huh.
115. Retired Spook | October 3rd, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Sarah did fine - she stayed on her script and didn’t further humiliate herself - but only because she was allowed to avoid directly answering many questions.
So, LD, in your mind which is worse, dodging the question of simply lying and/or making up an answer that appears to be advantageous to your point of view?
Personally, I’d love to see a debate format where the individuals are wired to an electric shock machine. A distortion or exaggeration would yield a mild shock that would make them wince. An outright lie, like saying your opponent’s running mate voted one way, when, in fact, he had voted exactly the opposite, would give you a jolt that would knock you off your feet, And a real whopper that misrepresents both your own position as well as that of your opponent just……..well, I think you get the point.
116. liberalD | October 3rd, 2008 at 8:15 pm
of course both are bad and of course all candidates in the history of elections always do them. Obama and Biden avoid and probably lie occasionally just like Palin and McCain do. Thats not new. What I am pointing out is simply that she did fine because she was not forced to answer questions like she was in the 3 interviews she has given since becoming VP. Some of those moments were just pathetic and the McCain camp new it and so they coached her very well to avoid complete meltdown.
The simple fact of the matter is although she is sort of cute and likable - she is just ridiculously ignorant , not particularly well educated, or very smart.
Anyway - yes - I would prefer something were the moderator is able to simply interrupt them when they go off topic and just ask them to either answer the question or concede their time. It would have its own follies - but its just simply ridiculous to refuse to answer a question and just go back to talking points.
117. CanadianObserver | October 4th, 2008 at 11:34 am
108. Fool Disclosure | October 3rd, 2008 at 7:00 pm
A good friend of mine just told me that she watched the debate with her children last night.
She couldn?t help but notice that her kids could follow Sarah Palin but couldn?t understand what Joe Biden was saying.
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No mystery there FD; the children no doubt identified with her as they do with every cartoon character they watch.
Her speech pattern would certainly have great appeal for underdeveloped minds.
Joe Biden, on the other hand, was addressing his remarks to the adult audience.
118. Danish Artist | October 4th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
“Failed policies of George Bush”
Yep, never, NEVER NEVER EVER try to work with Democrats, they will stab you in the back every time.
His failure was in extending the hand of bipartisanship to those on the left who took every opportunity to ensure failure. NCLB, Prescription Drugs and others that included input from the Democrats have been failures. Others are strictly the opinion of those trying to attain power for their party.
There have been failures - ANWR, Social Security Reform, tax cuts, and a balanced budget. Mainly because of liberal interference and a desire for some Republicans to act like liberals in their earmarks and pork.
Bush biggest failure - straying from the conservative philosophy. If Bush’s liberal tendencies toward policies are a failure, then Obama’s and the Democrats policies will be definite failures.
119. Danish Artist | October 4th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Retired Spook,
if we had your way in the debates, then both Obama and Biden would be crispy critters by now and the Democrats would be left without a candidate - find me a liberal Democrat who tells the truth and would be able to stand the amperage.
120. Danish Artist | October 4th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
“Joe Biden, on the other hand, was addressing his remarks to the adult audience.”
That would have left YOU and the average DEMOCRAT voter out of that audience for sure.
121. FmrMarine | October 4th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
wellingTON
>>>>Madaline Albright are examples of women who can lead without the gimmickery of “folksyness”. >>>>
madeline FRIGGING……..HALFbright?
You HAVE to be KIDDING….she is helen thomas in drag!
122. Ricorun | October 4th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
FmrMarine: madeline FRIGGING……..HALFbright? You HAVE to be KIDDING….she is helen thomas in drag!
Huh? Is this some kind of Hillary/Reno/Chelsea joke gone off the wheels or something? Maybe Giuliani should figure in it somewhere, lol!
Speaking of adult audiences (ht to DA), I think it’s time to leave the sandbox. Have a great weekend everyone!
123. CanadianObserver | October 4th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
You HAVE to be KIDDING….she is helen thomas in drag!
121. FmrMarine | October 4th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
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Don’t be dissing Helen Thomas, FmrMarine. She is the genuine article and a National Treasure.
Hers was the only voice from the press corps seeking the truth during the darkest days of the Bush fiasco.
Helen Thomas; truly a person of courage.
124. Danish Artist | October 4th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
“Don’t be dissing Helen Thomas, FmrMarine. She is the genuine article and a National Treasure.”
Did Benjamin Franklin Gates dig her up somewhere in the Black Hills?
Helen Thomas stopped being a “journalist” a long long time ago.