You May as Well Get Used to It.
October 4th, 2008 at 11:29am Leo Pusateri
A democrat is flummoxed as to why his own party is trying to silence him:
The man suing Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee for proof of Obama’s American citizenship is outraged that his own party – rather than just providing the birth certificate he seeks – would step in to silence him by filing a motion to dismiss his lawsuit.
As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he’ll drop the suit. Berg told WND the longer the DNC tries to ignore his lawsuit or make it go away – instead of just providing the documents – the more convinced he is that his accusations are correct.
Despite assertions by the Washington Post, FactChecker.org and other organizations that Obama has produced a certified Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg told WND he remains "99.99 percent sure" that the certificate is a fake and he wants a court, not a website, to determine its validity.
Earlier last week, lawyers for Obama and the DNC filed a joint motion to dismiss Berg’s lawsuit. The fact that the DNC joined in the dismissal request has Berg fuming, believing his party’s leaders have ignored his pleas for proof in order to favor their chosen candidate over a rank-and-file constituent.
"I think it’s outrageous," Berg said. "The Democratic National Committee should be ensuring the Democratic Party and the public that they have a qualified candidate up there. To file a joint motion is like they’re in cahoots.
"Since then, I have asked by way of press release that Howard Dean resign, because (the DNC members) are not fulfilling their duties," Berg said.
"The DNC has a responsibility to all Democrats in this country to make sure that all of their candidates are properly vetted and properly qualified," Berg added. "I think it’s really an outrage to the 18-plus million people who voted for Obama and the people who donated more than $425 million to him under false pretenses."
Why are you so surprised at the attempts to silence, barrister? Being the good little socialist and Chicago politician that he is, it should be plain to see by now that the Obama’s M.O. has never been to answer critics, but to silence them.
And the MSM will continue to whistle past the graveyard as a means to ensure that their annointed One sits in the White House come January.
Kinda sucks to be an honest democrat nowadays, doesn’t it?
Entry Filed under: Corruption
50 Comments
1. kimberly4victory | October 4th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Leo: That’s how all the jilted Hillary supporters who are now campaigning for McCain feel. However, I have a feeling, things are going to change for BO as his shady associations are finally going to get some airtime. Heh, heh, heh.
http://kimberly.blogsforvictory.com/2008/10/04/obama-about-to-be-hit-on-questionable-associates/
2. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Leo,
I’m disappointed in you. Repeating something that was discredited months ago. And using WorldnetDaily as your source. Aren’t they the same people that claim McCain has ties to Mafia? I can’t wait for you to publish that one.
3. kimberly4victory | October 4th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Casper: What do you think of insight’s work on all of Obama’s associations?
http://kimberly.blogsforvictory.com/2008/10/03/a-who’s-who-of-the-associates-of-barack-obama/
And how about Camp Obama?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=307928498550592
Heil, Obama!
4. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
kimberly4victory,
I’m worried more about MCain’s association and support of George Bush for the last 8 years. Besides, this is a thread about a discredited rumor copied from site the makes The National Enquirer look mainstream. But I guess if that’s all you have left, it’s what you have to go with.
Interesting and sad that none of the last 10 posts have had anything positive to say about John McCain or his policies.
5. kimberly4victory | October 4th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Oh, I’m sure a thread showing McCain in good light would definitely change your mind about voting for The One, right?
So you have no problems with:
Antoin “Tony” Rezko: Convicted Chicago developer (16 out of 24 felony counts) that helped the Obamas buy their expensive Hyde Park mansion. Investigation by a Federal prosecutor is ongoing into whether Rezko received government contracts in exchange for political contributions to Barack Obama, and whether Obama was a conspirator in the “Pay to Play” scheme. There is still the possibility that Obama will be named as a defendant, which likely depends on the outcome of the November election.
Nadhmi Auchi: This former member of Saddam Hussein’s government lent money to Tony Rezko just prior to the Obama’s purchasing their Hyde Park mansion. Auchi has also donated money to Obama’s campaign.
Rod Blagojevich: Illinois Governor and Obama supporter under investigation for his involvement in Chicago’s “Pay to Play” political corruption trials and possible connections to Tony Rezko.
Penny Pritzker: Obama Campaign Finance Chair, whose family owned Superior Bank which was the first in the nation to go under (in 2001) as part of the current Wall Street sub-prime mortgage crisis. She is rumored to be a candidate for Treasury Secretary in an Obama Administration.
Franklin Raines: Former head of the recently rescued lender Fannie Mae who walked away with some $25 million as the institution crumbled in the Sub-Prime Mortgage fraud. Once claimed to a reporter to be a personal advisor to Barack Obama.
Frank Marshall Davis: This confirmed member of the Communist Party USA has been identified as the childhood mentor Obama calls simply “Frank” in Dreams From My Father. Obama’s grandfather, Stanley Dunham, introduced him to the boy as a black male role model in Honolulu. In his writings, Davis confesses that he and his wife once had sex with a 13-year-old girl named Anne.
Rashid Khalidi: A Hyde Park neighbor of Obama and the co-founder of the Arab American Action Network, which calls the establishment of Israel a “catastrophe”, Khalidi is a former spokesman for the PLO, served on the Woods Foundation with Barack Obama, and has raised funds for him.
Cecil Butler: A Chicago real estate developer who profited from the privatization of low income, public housing during the 1990s (similar to Tony Rezko) in the “Pay to Play” fraud. Butler is a major supporter of Barack Obama whose low-income tenements were ultimately seized by the government for multiple building code violations.
Valerie Jarrett: An Obama insider once stated of this Iranian-born real estate developer: “She’s always been the other side of Barack’s brain.” She is considered by some to be a top candidate for Obama’s Chief of Staff, and is a longtime political insider (part of Mayor Richard Daley’s team responsible for hiring Michelle Robinson Obama) and stands at the center of Chicago’s controversial efforts to redevelop public housing limiting the number of residents, mostly poor and black, who can live in the new communities.
Louis Farrakhan: Supreme Minister of the Nation of Islam, considered by many to be a radical anti-Semite, he had also accused the US government of launching “a war against the black people of America, the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan.” He provided NOI bodyguards for Obama during the 2008 Democratic Primary until Obama received Secret Service protection. Farrakhan has endorsed Obama’s bid for the Presidency in February 2008 calling him the “hope of the entire world”.
State Sen. Rev. James Meeks: Obama’s mentor in the Illinois legislature widely believed to have taken bills developed and worked on by various Illinois State Senate members and offered them to Obama to be introduced for votes with his own name listed as author in order to pad his resume for a US Senate run in 2006.
William Ayers & Bernadette Dohrn: Unrepentant domestic terrorists with the Weather Underground, Ayers and Dohrn participated in bombings and plots to murder policemen and judges in the 1960s. Obama’s political career was launched at a party in the couple’s living room, and Ayers hired Obama as the Chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and served with him on the Woods Foundation. Ayers is famous for stating, “I don’t regret setting bombs” and “I feel we didn’t do enough”, and, when asked if he would “do it all again” as saying “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”
Hatem El-Hady: The former chairman of the Toledo-based Islamic charity Kindhearts, which was shut down by the US government in 2006 for terrorist fundraising and ties to Hamas. Elhady once had a web page on the official Barack Obama campaign site, but it was removed in April 2008.
Robert Malley: Controversial former Middle East policy advisor to the Obama campaign. Malley was fired only after he acknowledged holding private meetings with the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas. Malley argues that negotiations with the Palestinians today must include Hamas.
Zbigniew Brzezinski: High profile Obama Foreign Policy advisor criticized for his 2008 article defending the book “The Israel Lobby”, which accuses American Jews of McCarthyism. The former national security adviser has been at odds with elements of the American Jewish community since his stint in the Carter administration, and is seen by many as staunchly anti-Russian, which could exacerbate the current tensions between Russia and the democratic nation of Georgia.
6. FactCheck | October 4th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Heil, Obama!
He’s a Black Panther type, a Muslim, and a Nazi? Wow, that’s a hell of a combo. It’s like wingnut scratch-n-win.
7. sue | October 4th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
And all the libs can do is distract and ignore the real question.
If Obama has nothing to hide why doesn’t he produce a birth certificate that can be authenticated?
He’s been taking lessons from Kerry who refused to release his military records, then did to a few in the tank media who claimed that he wasn’t hiding anything. But he wouldn’t release it to others because that would show that he was hiding things.
Same thing Obama has done.
If he won’t release his birth certificate to those who question his being a citizen then it’s most likely that he is hiding something.
8. js | October 4th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
bergs website
been watching this from its start
funny thing, they have lots of professional analysis’s on thier site about his “web” certificate…being a forgery…also a federal crime…
obama needs to cough up the truth…
9. kmg | October 4th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
I think Obama should turn his birth certificate over just as soon as McCain releases all of his medical records.
10. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
kimberly4victory,
So let’s compare your list to mine. John’s buddy George ignored warnings about 9/11, attacked the wrong country (Iraq) after 9/11, then mismanaged the war, appointed cronies to positions they were unqualified, screwed up Katrina, gave a get out of jail card to a convicted felon (Libby), and presided over the biggest economic disaster our country has had in the last 70 years. McCain has campaigned for Bush, voted for his policies and bragged about supporting him. Talk about bad judgment. The misacomplishments of Bush, far outweigh anything done by those on your list.
11. SEW | October 4th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Kimberly, Casper has no problems with those guys! He’s “worried more about MCain’s association and support of George Bush for the last 8 years.” Besides, did I mention that Obama is black? Casper why don’t you read Kimberly’s list again. Take your tinfoil off first and stay off the Kool-Aid for 24 hours before reading.
Really hard to believe he “teaches” children.
12. js | October 4th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
if they dont produce a genuine copy of obamasiahs birth certificate obamasiah will be facing felony counts for forging his birth certificate…
if he does, it would have been put to bed last March when the whole controversy started…
so..i dont think we need to even put his name of the ballot unless he produces a copy of his actual birth certificate in all 50 states…
13. Observer20 | October 4th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
The bottom line is the majority of Obama’s supporters are either so misinformed or so heavily invested in their messiah that they will do anything to see him rise to power. They don’t care what he will actually do or what his record is as long as he is not Bush.
Who cares about all of his questionable ties? At least he’s not Bush.
Who cares about whether or not he keeps his word? At least he’s not Bush.
Who cares about his questionable voting record? At least he’s not Bush.
Who cares if he’s not a United States citizen and violates the Constitution? At least he’s not Bush.
But McCain? McCain is Bush. All Republicans are Bush, and all Republicans are obviously racist, sexist bigots who want to enforce their views on us free-thinking Obama supporters.
That’s the bottom line. After I systematically disprove or equivocate any of Obama’s talking points when I talk to an Obama supporter, after the pull the “You’re not voting for Obama because you’re racist,” card and it fails, they only have this to fall back on. And at that point I cannot talk any reason into them.
So at that point I just mutter to myself about how low the American citizen’s reasoning process has fallen.
14. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
SEW,
Most of the people on Kim’s list have tenuous connections at best with Obama. In addition, I’m sure if I wanted to, I could come up with a long list of equally nefarious characters with links to McCain (starting with Charles Keating). McCain’s connections to Bush are a lot stronger and a lot more relevant to the election.
15. bongoman | October 4th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Anything to avoid discussing the candidates’ actual policies…
16. js | October 4th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
“who cares is he kills his kid, at least he isnt bush”
ya…the liberal mentality and signs of some of the stupidest people that walk the earth…
17. FactCheck | October 4th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
McCain’s connections to Bush are a lot stronger and a lot more relevant to the election.
Which is exactly why this site wants to talk about anything–anything–but that.
18. Wellington | October 4th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Aaahhhh, the smell of desperation is wafting through this blog. (And it stinks by the way)
The cultists, lemmings, zealots, wingers, freepers, and warmongers on this site have received their next marching orders.
It’s a sad reflection of the McBush campaign.
No longer will you stand on issues, no longer will you stand by your candidates qualifications, now all you have left is the smattering smear campaign.
It’s also noticed by everyone who is paying attention, that this low road method was and is expected from the McBush team.
Every news organization is now reporting that your candidate has gone completely negative.
Ms. Kimberly is doing what is expected and ordered straight from the RNC. Kim, do you take the RNC talking points line by line?
You fool no one. This low life smear attack is acknowledged and will be reported as so.
Again, McBush looks like a bitter old caricature of what was once a respectable man.
Be proud of yourselves. It’s all you have left.
Throw in the kitchen sink.
The world is now laughing at you.
March to the RNC talking points. March on.
19. kimberly4victory | October 4th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
I work for myself, Nimrod.
I thank God Casper is not one of my daughter’s teachers! He can continue to live in his little liberal mind. I bet he even blames his pitiful existance on Bush!
20. js | October 4th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
sorry wellington, the smell is you…and no wonder…that fart wasnt a fart…you left a surprise in your drawers….
the mentality of liberal thinking is juvenile at best…completely moronic typically..and scathingly dry is both humor and content…
so effectively…the only resource you have is a lie…and the lie is so shallow…that is how you mark yourself as a liberal…because a grown up can spot you before you hit the door…
dont let it hitcha in that pile as you’re leavin…ya’all hear now?
21. kimberly4victory | October 4th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Wow, McCain voted with Republicans! Imagine that! Oh, that’s right, he’s a Republican! Of course, he also voted against his own party when he felt it was better for the country.
The One voted 95% with his party too! OMG! Then he worked on a bill with McCain and voted AGAINST it because his party leaders told him too. He’s a follower, not a leader. He’s a divider, not a uniter.
Obama is also incompetent. His second suggestion (after flubbing the first) was to go to the UN during the Russia/Georgia crisis. Hello? Russia has veto power! What an idiot!!! LMAO!!!
Hey, but go ahead libs, vote for your messiah. Come on conservative blogs to spout your liberal talking points. I’m thoroughly entertained with your blather.
22. FactCheck | October 4th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
He’s a divider, not a uniter.
I love this line of *ahem* “reasoning.” “We hate him, therefore he’s not a uniter!”
I’m sure it makes sense in the addled brains of wingnuts.
23. yekepyt | October 4th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
When McCain votes with Bush 95% of the time, he is voting for Bush policies. When Obama votes with his party 95% of the time, he is voting against Bush policies.
People understand that it’s not about whether you voted with your own party or not, it’s whether you voted for Bush’s policies or not.
See, when McCain votes with his party, it’s perceived as a bad thing, because people don’t like the Bush policies. When Obama votes with his party, it’s seen as a good thing, because he’s voting against the Bush policies that have failed America so badly.
On to the topic of the manufactured scandal du jour: if I were to throw a hissy fit and demand that McCain produce his birth certificate and allow me to scrutinize it in court, do you think that he would? No, because such a ridiculous demand does not warrant his attention. Same with Obama.
McCain’s medical records, though — those are certainly relevant, and are being withheld from public review. Every other candidate has produced their medical records, but not McCain (whose records are arguably the most important of all to the public).
Where’s the outrage?
24. kimberly4victory | October 4th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Did you pull that 95% number out of your arse, y?
Where’s BO’s birth certificate?
In fact, where are his friends? Where’s his family? Kerry had friends and family stand up for him, but no one for Obama?
Weird.
25. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
“I thank God Casper is not one of my daughter’s teachers! He can continue to live in his little liberal mind. I bet he even blames his pitiful existance on Bush!”
Actually, my existence is anything but pitiful. I have a great family, a good relationship with God, a nice house, a nice car and a job that I love and that I’m very good at. I really couldn’t ask for anything more.
And no, Bush doesn’t get any credit for my existence. I’ve worked two to three jobs at a time for the last 40 years to get where I’m at, that while earning and paying for three degrees. I take credit for what I have.
As for not wanting your daughter to have me as a teacher, you have to understand that my politics have nothing to do with my teaching.
One of my best friends at work is a hard core conservative. He supports Bush and is a very strong supporter of McCain. While we may disagree about politics, I would be honored to have a child or grandchild of mind have him as a teacher. He is outstanding. The English teacher down the hall is way to the left of me politically, but I would be very happy to have her teach my children. There are also teachers that I know, that I would never allow to teach my kids. But it has nothing to do their politics, but on how good of teacher they are.
Two last points. If you asked our students who we were voting for probably half would be wrong, because it’s not something we talk about in class. Last point, I will be teaching the daughter of the teacher across the hall next semester, at his request.
26. CanadianObserver | October 4th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
“the mentality of liberal thinking is juvenile at best…completely moronic typically”
says js —- right after having written this:-
“sorry wellington, the smell is you…and no wonder…that fart wasnt a fart…you left a surprise in your drawers….”
————- Priceless, just priceless!
27. Observer20 | October 4th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
You know, is it just coincidence that pretty much every post from an Obama supporter here has two key elements: The first being that McCain is Bush, and the second being that “McCain might have some dirt too!”?
I find this patently absurd. On average McCain has voted with Bush 80% of the time, and that’s far from being a Bush clone considering they are from the same party and supposedly hold the same general principles. Second, Obama supporters cannot even name the majority of the bills he voted “with” Bush on. Do you even know how many bills are sent through the Senate each year? The only controversial ones you can name are agreeing to go to Iraq (which pretty much every senator at the time did) and agreeing with Bush’s tax cuts. Those are the two that are primarily mentioned and without those two votes your arguments would be truly vacuous. You might as well change your slogan to, “McCain voted twice on issues that Obama wasn’t there for and therefore we don’t like him!” That would be much more accurate than the “99% voting with Bush” thing.
Equivocating the dirt on McCain to the massive volume of dirt on Obama I find equally illogical. I guarantee you that there is much more serious dirt on Obama than McCain, and he hasn’t even been a senator for two decades! Show me some more dirt about McCain outside from the Keating Five and telling dirty jokes and I’ll show you some more dirt about Obama about his bribed votes and corruption.
How many Obama supporters want to bet that there is more dirt on McCain than on Obama?
28. Joe Bananas..in Pajamas | October 4th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
>>How many Obama supporters want to bet that there is more dirt on McCain than on Obama?>>
These people are so deranged with the anti Bush syndrome that it don’t matter to them.
No point in even trying to reason the comparisons, they would rather have Obama at any cost….and…..they deserve him.
On a side point:
Has any one noticed the Obama08 logo has the Gay flag colors in exactly the same order?
Or wait is is the rainbow colors? what the hell it’s Obama isn’t it? if he had a nazi swatstika on his logo it would matter not.
They would welcome him with open arms, he is the savior, the one…what a friggin pile of BS, and these liberal imbeciles are believing every word of it.
29. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Observer20 ,
“How many Obama supporters want to bet that there is more dirt on McCain than on Obama?”
Ok let’s start with a few associations:
John McCain actively sought the endorsement of Pastor Hagee prior to the Texas primary, without giving two craps about who he was. Both McCain and his allies give speeches (see AIPAC and others) with Pastor Hagee. Who does this sound like on Obama’s side? Ayers, who Obama sought the endorsement of, and gives speeches with. Sure, Hagee didn’t bomb anyone, but if the government did what Hagee wants, there’d be millions dead overseas.
John McCain actively sought to speak to La Raza, a highly racist and anti-American organization, promoting amnesty, and in extreme cases, the return of the Southwest to Mexico.
UBS executive and McCain adviser Phil Gramm, who, as chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, pulled a backroom legislative stunt in 2000 to make sure that credit default swaps–a certain financial instrument that helped pave the way to the subprime meltdown–would remain completely unregulated.
Then there are the lobbyists who work for McCain’s campaign. Here are a few and the companies they lobbied for.
Phil Anderson: American Council of Life Insurers, Aetna, AIG, New York Life, MassMutual, VISA
Rebecca Anderson: Aegon, American Council of Life Insurers, Cigna, Barclays, Credit Suisse First Boston, HSBC
Stanton Anderson: The Debt Exchange
David Beightol: Allstate, Amerigroup, Charles Schwab, HSBC
Rhonda Bentz: VISA
Wayne Berman: American Council of Life Insurers, AIG, Americhoice, Shinsei Bank, Blackstone, Carlyle Group, Broidy Capital Management, Credit Suisse Securities, Highstar Capital, VISA, Ameriquest Mortgage, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Fitch Ratings
Charlie Black: JP Morgan, Washington Mutual Bank, Freddie Mac, Mortgage Bankers Association of America, National Association of Mortgage Brokers
Judy Black: Colorado Credit Union League, Genworth Financial, Bay Harbour Management, Merrill Lynch
Kirk Blalock: Credit Union National Association, Financial Executives International, American Insurance Association, Mutual of Omaha, Zurich Financial Service Group, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco
Carlos Bonilla: Financial Services Roundtable, Freddie Mac
Christine Burgeson: Citigroup
Mark Buse: Freddie Mac, Goldman Sachs, Manufacturers Life Insurance Company
Nicholas Calio: Citigroup, Managed Fund Association, Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, The Investment Company Institute, TIAA-CRE, Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association
Ben Nighthorse Campbell: Amscot Financial Corporation, Community Financial Services Association, Fidelity National Financial
Andrew Cantor: American Insurance Association, Merrill Lynch
Alberto Cardenas: Fannie Mae
James Courter: Goldman Sachs, Donaldson Lufkin & Jenrette, Investment Company Institute, Merrill Lynch
David Crane: Financial Services Roundtable, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Deloitte & Touche, KPMG, Ernst & Young, Bank of America, Association of Corporate Credit Unions, Freddie Mac
Dan Crippen: Merrill Lynch, National Multi-Housing Council
Arthur Culvahouse: Fannie Mae
Bryan Cunningham: Arch Capital Group
Alfonse D’Amato: AIG, Freddie Mac
Doug Davenport: Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Goldman Sachs, VISA
Ashley Davis: Prudential Financial, American Financial Group, American Premier Underwriters, Great American Insurance Company
Mimi Dawson: MassMutual
Melissa Edwards: Freddie Mac, National Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts, Access to Capital Coalition
Chris Fidler: American Bankers Association, Milcom Venture Partners, National Association Real Estate Investment Trusts
Samuel Geduldig: American Bankers Association, American Institute of CPAs, America Gains, Berkshire Hathaway, Consumer Bankers Association, Ernst & Young, Financial Services Roundtable, Investment Company Institute, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Prudential Financial, Sovereign Investment Council, Fidelity Investments, FMR Corp.
Benjamin Ginsberg: Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance, AIG Technical Services
David Girard-Dicarlo: American Financial Group, American Premier Underwriters
Juleanna Glover Weiss: RJI Capital, American Institute of CPAs, BNP Paribas, Ernst & Young, PriceWaterhouseCoopers
Slade Gorton: Allstate Insurance, Hannan Armstrong Capital
Phil Gramm: UBS Americas
John Green: Laredo National Bank, Alternative Investment Management Association, AIG, Blackstone Group, Carlyle Group, Citigroup, Credit Suisse Group, Fannie Mae, Icahn Associates, FMR Corp., AFLAC, VISA
Janet Grissom: American Institute of CPAs, NYSE, Merrill Lynch
Kristen Gullott: San Diego Credit Union
Kent Hance: Stanford Financial Group, Municipal Capital Markets Group, Inc.
Vicki Hart: American Financial Services Association, Citigroup, Investment Company Institute, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, New York Stock Exchange, VISA, Carlyle Group, Credit Suisse, Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis, Goldman Sachs, Stanford Group, Lloyd’s of London, National City Corp.
Richard Hohlt: Capmark Financial Group, Fannie Mae, JP Morgan Chase and Co., Student Loan Marketing Association, Washington Mutual, Guaranty Bank & Trust, Peachtree Settlement Funding, Dime Savings Bank of New York
Gaylord Hughey: Heartland Security Insurance Group
Kate Hull: Credit Union National Association, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Zurich Financial Services, American Insurance Association, Financial Executives International
James Hyland: American Insurance Association, Seattle Home Loan Bank, Self Help Credit Union, National Association of Bankruptcy Trustees, Merrill Lynch, Mortgage Investors Corp., Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis, Freddie Mac, New York Stock Exchange, Citigroup, VISA
Aleix Jarvis: Credit Union National Association, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Financial Executives International, Mutual of Omaha, American Insurance Association, Zurich Financial Services
Greg Jenner: American Council of Life Insurers, JG Wentworth, UBS, VISA, PriceWaterhouseCoopers
Frank Keating: American Council of Life Insurers
Steven Kuykendall: California Bankers Association
William Lesher: Chicago Mercantile Exchange, Commerce Ventures, Rabobank International
Thomas Loeffler: Citigroup, Fannie Mae, Investment Company Institute, World Savings and Loan Association, United Services Automobile Association (USAA)
Kelly Lugar: RJI Capital Strategies
Peter Madigan: Arthur Andersen, Bank of New York, Broadridge Securities Processing, Charles Schwab, Deloitte and Touche, Goldman Sachs, International Employee Stock Option Coalition, Mastercard, NYSE, Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, PNC Bank
Mary Mann: MassMutual
Paul Martino: Morgan Stanley, Baker Tilly
Jana McKeag: Venture Catalyst
Alison McSlarrow: Fannie Mae, Hartford
Mike Meece: Georgetown Partners
David Metzner: Ernst & Young, Harbinger Capital Investments, Prudential, Public Financial Management, Western Union
Susan Molinari: Freddie Mac, American Land Title Association, Association of Consumer Credit Unions, Beacon Capital Partners, College Loan Corp, Coventry First, E-Trade, Financial Services Roundtable, Rent-A-Center
John Moran: Cerberus Capital Management, American Council of Life Insurers, Accenture
John Napier: Freddie Mac
Susan Nelson: AIG, San Antonio Credit Union
Paul Otellini: Ernst & Young, Financial Services Forum
Steve Perry: Charles Schwab, Hoover Partners, HSBC, National Stock Exchange
Nancy Pfotenhauer: American Land Title Association, Mortgage Bankers Association
Elise Pickering-Finley: Credit Suisse, DE Shaw, Hartford Financial Services, Research In Motion, Retail Industry Lenders Association, URL Mutual
James Pitts: Advanced Association for Life Underwriting, AETNA, American Council of Life Insurers, AIG, Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers, Debt Advisory International, Financial Services Coordinating Council, GE Financial Assurance, Hartford Life, Jefferson Pilot Financial, Kenwood Investments, MassMutual, Mutual of Omaha, New York Life, UNUM Provident, VISA, PMI Group
Tim Powers: AP Capital, Genworth Financial, Retail Industry Lenders Association, E-LOAN, General Electric Mortgage Insurance
Walter Price: Wachovia
Sloan Rappoport: Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group, Inc. (FBR), Trafelet Delta Funds
Hans Rickhoff: Capital One, Investment Company Institute, United Services Automobile Association (USAA)
Kathleen Shanahan: New York Stock Exchange
Andrew Shore: Accenture, Retail Industry Lenders Association, Barclays, Bond Market Association, Credit Suisse, TPG Capital
Katie Stahl: Alliance for Investment Transparency, Ares Management, Fairfax Financial Holdings, Uhlmann Financial Group
Milly Stanges: TIAA-CREF
Aquiles Suarez: Fannie Mae
Don Sundquist: Freddie Mac, The Hartford
Peter Terpeluk: JP Morgan Chase, Ernst & Young, Prudential
Fred Thompson: Equitas
Jeri Thompson: American Insurance Association
John Timmons: National Association of Federal Credit Unions
William Timmons Sr.: American Council of Life Insurers, Citigroup, Dun & Bradstreet, Freddie Mac, Vanguard Group
Vin Weber: Agstar Financial Services, AKT Investment Corp., American Institute of CPAs, Ernst & Young, Freddie Mac, Louis Dreyfus Corp, PriceWaterhouseCoopers
Jeffery Weiss: JP Morgan
Tony Williams: Russell Investment Group, American Life Inc., Northwestern Mutual
30. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Observer20
That took ten minutes. Would you like more?
31. Leo Pusateri | October 4th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Hmmm…still not one word from the leftys on Obama’s and the DNC’s tactics utilized to silence critics.
32. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Leo, Why should the DNC respond to a nutcase?
33. Observer20 | October 4th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Casper,
Yes, please throw everything you’ve got right here, so then you won’t have any more nasty surprises for me. But I’d like you to point out some things for me.
What did McCain try and speak to La Raza about?
How many people work for the McCain campaign? How many of those individuals you linked are high-ranking McCain campaign officials? How many of them are currently lobbying? Does being a former lobbyist mean they cannot do anything but lobby for the rest of their lives?
Finally, please link your sources so I may verify they’re not distorting anything.
34. kimberly4victory | October 4th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Leo … exactly.
Seig heil, Obama!!
35. kimberly4victory | October 4th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Hey, Isn’t Joe Biden’s son a lobbyist? I guess that’s okay.
36. TalkingPoint | October 4th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Seig heil, Obama!!
You’re really fond of Nazis, Kimmy. Why is that?
37. kimberly4victory | October 4th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
The rise of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party
The economic conditions in Germany after World War I were horrible.
Adolf Hitler honed his oratory skills and became a superb speaker.
Adolf Hitler surrounded himself with thugs and Jew haters.
Adolf Hitler and the Nazis blamed the Jews for their problems.
Adolf Hitler spoke of change and a new Germany.
The people of Germany got caught up in the euphoria of the changes that Hitler promised.
The Nazis burned books to eradicate records and contrary thoughts.
The Nazis bullied Jews and other segments of society.
The Nazis were elitists with talk of the Arayan Race.
Adolf Hitler had many people fooled including many jews that never thought all of that evil could happen in their country.
The Barack Obama Campaign
The perceived economic conditions are bad. The economic conditions are perfect here compared to post War War I Germany.
Obama worked on his oratory skills. He is a superb speaker with the ability to mesmerize his followers.
Obama has been surrounded by racists, anti semites, criminals and drug users.
Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, and others have blamed white people and Jews for their problems.
Obama constantly speaks of change.
Obama supporters are caught up in the euphoria of the moment and Obama’s promise of change.
Obama has denied having records, not provided records and been extremely evasive when asked to supply records.
Obama supporters have bullied bloggers when questions about Obama or his past are asked. Some of these attacks are clearly orchestrated by the Obama Campaign. Some of these bullies have attacked family members of bloggers.
Obama has recently shown his elitist attitude during his speech in San Francisco. His arrogance parallels Hitler’s Aryan race comments in regard to Obama’s God Like omnipotence in regard to having the answers to problems.
Obama has many people fooled including many Jews that are ignoring all the evil and anti semitism surrounding Obama.
38. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Observer20,
Here is the link to the lobbyists.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9753_mccain_campaign_lobbyists_wall_street_aig.html
The point I’m trying to make is that you can find questionable connections for any public figure. I’m thinking that if I wanted to, I could probably come up with hundreds for McCain in a couple of hours. So here’s the question. Would it change your vote if I did? I’m thinking it probably wouldn’t. You would either question my sources or ignore what I came up with. I doubt that you are going to vote for McCain based on his past associations, good or bad. It’s more likely you will vote for him because he’s a republican and you hate democrats.
Or maybe you will do what I did. Go to both web sites and compare policies side by side, and maybe even download the pdfs on the party platforms and compare them. Listen to their speeches and watch their interviews and debates. Then make your decision based on who you think has the best ideas and the best temperament for the job.
I really don’t think the associations mean much.
39. TalkingPoint | October 4th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Deleted - off topic.
40. Observer20 | October 4th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Casper,
My voting preference comes from the belief that my candidate is more able and moral than your candidate. Therefore, if you can provide concrete evidence to the contrary, I will consider switching my position. My gamble is that you won’t be able to muster enough sources to change my mind. My strategy is to wait for you to lay all you have to bear out front right now. Then, I will proceed to systematically dismantle any arguments I can. Then it will be my turn to lay all I have to bear to you, and you will try to dismantle them. Keep in mind what you choose as a newsworthy report of corruption or bad association affects what I term to be off-limits for Obama. Essentially, if I have more arguments not disproven against Obama than you have against McCain, I win.
It would be completely useless if I did not adhere to these principles. Please, let me know when you’re done posting all the dirt.
41. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
kimberly4victory,
I think you need take a step back and think about what you are writing. Obama isn’t Hitler. Neither is Bush or McCain.
I could make the same argument for McCain if I wanted. The problem is it’s not true for either one.
Let’s look at your commets.
“The perceived economic conditions are bad. The economic conditions are perfect here compared to post War War I Germany.”
That would favor any politician at this point, even McCain if he can play it to his advantage.
“Obama worked on his oratory skills. He is a superb speaker with the ability to mesmerize his followers.”
Reagan was also a great speaker, because he worked on his oratory skills. He wasn’t Hitler either.
“Obama has been surrounded by racists, anti semites, criminals and drug users.”
I’m sure McCain has known his share of racists, anti semites, criminals and drug users also, I know I have but that doesn’t mean either of us share their views.
“Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, and others have blamed white people and Jews for their problems.”
And Pat Robertson blamed the U.S. for Katrina and 9/11. None of them are part of Obama or McCain’s campaign.
“Obama constantly speaks of change.”
So does McCain and Palin.
“Obama supporters are caught up in the euphoria of the moment and Obama’s promise of change.”
And a lot of Palin’s supporters want to haqve sex with her.
“Obama has denied having records, not provided records and been extremely evasive when asked to supply records.”
McCain hasn’t released his medical records or his wife’s tax forms.
“Obama supporters have bullied bloggers when questions about Obama or his past are asked. Some of these attacks are clearly orchestrated by the Obama Campaign. Some of these bullies have attacked family members of bloggers.”
And the women who put together an anti-Palin rally in Alaska received death threats.
“Obama has recently shown his elitist attitude during his speech in San Francisco. His arrogance parallels Hitler’s Aryan race comments in regard to Obama’s God Like omnipotence in regard to having the answers to problems.”
I’m not sure what an elitist attitude is, but I find a lot of what McCain says as arrogant as do a lot of others.
“Obama has many people fooled including many Jews that are ignoring all the evil and anti semitism surrounding Obama.”
Please direct me to anything Obama has said that proves Obama is antisemitic. Remember Hitler was very straight forward about his hate for the Jews.
Obama isn’t Hitler. Not even close. Neither is McCain.
42. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Observer20,
I doubt that you would believe anything I came up with, just as I question much of the crap you and others throw at Obama. Rather than spend a great deal of my valuable time trying to change your mind, it can be better spent at the local Obama office calling voters who still haven’t made up their minds.
I do appreciate that you didn’t get into the name calling that often happens here when people disagree.
43. Observer20 | October 4th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Casper,
I believe that it is futile to get into matches of name-calling. If you want to defeat your opponent, defeat him through logic and evidence. If you want to demoralize your opponent, show him the error of his ways through indisputable fact.
If you want to call off the game now, that’s fine, but my intention is not to change your mind, but to question your reasoning process. I’m really quite vindictive in a calculating way once I get going.
44. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Observer20,
I would also prefer to make points through logic and reason. And although I like to win, I don’t consider everything a competition. I consider this blog another place where I can learn.
45. Observer20 | October 4th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Casper,
Yes, well I think it’s a good place to learn too. No greater way to defend your side’s weak points than to learn about them first-hand from the enemy’s attack tactics, eh?
I don’t mean to treat this election as a game, I guess I’m just a very competitive person on the inside.
46. kimberly4victory | October 4th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Casper, I certainly don’t believe Obama is another Hitler, although he is using the same tactics as both Hitler and Salinsky.
I love playing with you, liberals … that’s why I do it … to get a response. It’s highly entertaining. :-) I also believe it is my duty as an American citizen to question everything about the opponent, including his past/present associations, his love for country and troops, his past voting record, his time in office, his non-qualifications to be POTUS.
47. Casper | October 4th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
kimberly4victory,
A lot of people on the left were saying the same things about Bush being Hitler a couple of years ago, Clinton before that and Reagan before that. The problem with this comparison is none of them are anywhere close to the monster that Hitler was. By making a Hitler comparison, you are actually making Hitler look better. People who don’t study history might think that if Obama, Bush, Clinton and Reagon are like Hitler, then maybe Hitler wasn’t so bad.
48. yekepyt | October 5th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Hi Kimberly, I could probably back up the 95% statistic if you’d like, but it’s irrelevant to the point I was making (which I think you missed).
Lots of people are going around accusing McCain of “voting for bush [some-large-percentage] of the time.” Republicans then retort that Obama has voted with his party [some-similarly-large-percentage] of the time.
What this retort/counter-retort ignores is that when McCain votes for Bush, it’s bad (see Bush’s opinion polls). When Obama votes with the Democrats, people see this as a vote against the Bush/McCain policies, and therefore a good thing.
So, pointing out McCain’s continued allegiance to Bush is a criticism of McCain. But pointing out Obama’s continued opposition to Bush is actually complimentary to Obama.
Please keep telling people that Obama voted with his party (and against Bush) nearly all the time — it helps his poll numbers.
49. kimberly4victory | October 5th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
McCain voted against Bush’s energy bill and your fake messiah voted for it. Oops!
An ad from the Campaign to Defend America attacks Sen. John McCain as being the same as President George W. Bush on a number of issues, including Iraq, taxes and health care. It also bashes the two on energy policy.
“Oil companies, they get tax breaks while we pay at the pump. McSame as Bush,” the ad states.
The Bush administration’s signature energy initiative was the Energy Policy Act of 2005, a major piece of legislation that included subsidies and incentives for several sectors of the energy industry, including oil companies. It was the first national energy legislation in more than a decade, and the Bush administration worked for several years to get it passed. We ruled previously that the bill contained significant measures to encourage clean energy.
To be sure, the bill still had its detractors. Some people felt it included too many incentives for industry and too little to help consumers.
Those detractors included McCain.
“This bill does little to address the immediate energy crisis we face in this country,” he said in a statement his Senate office issued at the time. “The handouts to big business and oil companies are irresponsible and will be disastrous for the people of Arizona. I cannot in good conscience vote to pass legislation that does not adequately address issues related to energy efficiency, security, and energy independence.”
The statement noted that McCain liked the plan’s reliability standards and incentives for new refinery capacity, but concluded that the bad outweighed the good.
McCain also said he opposed it because it might make pump prices higher with its mandates for the increased use of ethanol.
On the final vote on the bill, McCain was one of 26 senators who voted against it. (Hillary Clinton also opposed it while Barack Obama voted FOR it.) The McSame ad doesn’t mention this legislation specifically, but it was a priority of the Bush administration and a notable source of tax breaks for the oil and gas industry. McCain opposed it. You can’t call them the “McSame” for such a significant difference. For this reason, we find the statement False.
BTW, I find you irrelevant. Why? Because you’re spouting your leftwing talking points on a conservative site! Way to spend your valuable time!
50. kimberly4victory | October 5th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
I’ve changed the mind of many of my Democrat friends about Obama with one statement:
Obama has asked for $932-million of earmark pork-barrel spending, nearly a million dollars for every day that he’s been in the United States Senate.