46 Comments

• 1. 1H8L1B5  |  October 5th, 2008 at 4:01 am

  Very good post, Mark; it shows the vast difference in both parties when it comes to integrity,

  However, do you really think the Donkaroach lemmings really care about the truth? If they did, they would’ve never nominated Earbama…

• 2. Joe Bananas..in Pajamas  |  October 5th, 2008 at 5:46 am

  This also highlights the rather consistent dishonesty of the man on the top of the ticket -

  Yup, the hall marks of a true Liberal.
  With Obamas and Bidens lying about Ayers all and sundry, maybe they should rename the Democratic ticket to the “Obama-Biden-Laden” team.

• 3. 1H8L1B5  |  October 5th, 2008 at 6:02 am

  Wow, Joe, now that’s a bit severe, isn’t it? Earbama’s gonna end the war in Iraq and go after bin Laden.

  ///sarcasm off///

• 4. Joe Bananas..in Pajamas  |  October 5th, 2008 at 6:28 am

  lol…..I just thought to add to the Irony of the names on the Democratic ticket.

  No seriousness intended.

  How ever I hear that the Pentagon are researching the effectivness of “group hugs” to replace guns and tanks if Obama should ever win…. //sarcasm on//

• 5. js  |  October 5th, 2008 at 7:53 am

  two pea’s in a pod….obama is a bald faced liar also…

• 6. 1H8L1B5  |  October 5th, 2008 at 8:30 am

  js, it’s good to have two liars on the Donkaroach ticket–for them, it’s a resume enhancement…

• 7. Retired Spook  |  October 5th, 2008 at 9:41 am

  Or is it more realistic to believe that a successful liar will just keep going with what worked in the past?

  I think they saw how well it worked for Clinton, not realizing that Clinton just made it look easy. I can’t recall any politician in my lifetime that was a more convincing liar than Clinton. Obama and Biden, OTOH, aren’t really very good at it, but you certainly can’t fault them for lack of practice.

  Keefer, how are the Limey’s treating you?

• 8. neocon  |  October 5th, 2008 at 10:03 am

  Someone needs to rush to fill the vacuum between Bidens ears.

  McCain needs to come out firing on all cylinders in these final 30 days and follow Palins lead by speaking directly to the people with passion and common sense. This “change” platform that Obama is running on is weak and he and Biden are destined to be as ineffective and partisan as Pelosi and Reid.

  We need reform and McCain needs to deliver.

• 9. neocon  |  October 5th, 2008 at 10:20 am

  Students in OH are admitting that they are registering and voting more than once and the Board of Elections supervisor in OH said he wasn’t that concerned about it.

  Democrats support voter fraud and corruption as long as it’s their own. Right William Jefferson?

• 10. Casper  |  October 5th, 2008 at 11:50 am

  So let’s see what factcheck.org says.

  * Palin mistakenly claimed that troop levels in Iraq had returned to “pre-surge” levels. Levels are gradually coming down but current plans would have levels higher than pre-surge numbers through early next year, at least.

  * Palin repeated a false claim that Obama once voted in favor of higher taxes on “families” making as little as $42,000 a year. He did not. The budget bill in question called for an increase only on singles making that amount, but a family of four would not have been affected unless they made at least $90,000 a year.

  * Biden wrongly claimed that McCain “voted the exact same way” as Obama on the budget bill that contained an increase on singles making as little as $42,000 a year. McCain voted against it. Biden was referring to an amendment that didn’t address taxes at that income level.

  * Palin claimed McCain’s health care plan would be “budget neutral,” costing the government nothing. Independent budget experts estimate McCain’s plan would cost tens of billions each year, though details are too fuzzy to allow for exact estimates.

  * Biden wrongly claimed that McCain had said “he wouldn’t even sit down” with the government of Spain. Actually, McCain didn’t reject a meeting, but simply refused to commit himself one way or the other during an interview.

  * Palin wrongly claimed that “millions of small businesses” would see tax increases under Obama’s tax proposals. At most, several hundred thousand business owners would see increases.

  Looks like both sides were off a little on some of their statements. Does this mean that Palin is also entirely disconnected from the facts? Oh, I know, it’s not a lie when Palin makes a mistake, only when Biden does.

• 11. 1H8L1B5  |  October 5th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

  Keefer, how are the Limey’s treating you?

  Great, Spook. I love it here, and with the current economic situation being what it is, it’s a great time to be in England. However, England is a big nanny-state; they want to run everyone’s life much more than the libtards in America do.

  Oh, I know, it’s not a lie when Palin makes a mistake, only when Biden does.

  You call Biden’s lies “mistakes?” Casspurr, you’re even farther left than I thought. Weren’t you once a Republican? Good riddance.

  btw Spook, I’m going to register for the NHS on Columbus Day. That way, when I get back to America, I can be ready for Earbamacare…

• 12. Sarah Bloch  |  October 5th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

  (Ed. Note: Off topic part of comment deleted)

  The brilliance of picking Joe Biden as VP is shining through. As long as right wing bloggers and Steve Schmidt feel that abortion and xenophobia are topics 1 & 2 for undecided voters the farther behind they will fall to Obama and Axelrod who are attacking right back on the two issues Americans care most about today: the economy and the economy

• 13. Retired Spook  |  October 5th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

  Oh, I know, it’s not a lie when Palin makes a mistake, only when Biden does.

  Casper, I addressed all these the other night, but I see you’re repeating them again as if to somehow make a point. You know what they say about repeating the same thing over and over, expecting to achieve different results?

  Palin’s only “mistake” on the troop levels was in not saying “combat” troops vs. total troops. In your warped sense of truth vs. lie, you may want to call that a lie — I don’t; and it has nothing to do with which person said it.

  Palin’s “mistake” on the tax issue was saying “families” instead of “individuals”. Again, you may wish to call that a lie. I would expect nothing less from you. Do you apply the same standards to your students on essay tests, or just to republicans in election campaigns? BTW, Obama says he will not raise taxes on families making less than $250,000/year. Yet you admit in your last comment that it’s really $90,000/year. That’s only a $160,000 difference.

  Now, Biden, OTOH, claimed that Obama and McCain voted the same way on the tax vote, when, as you note, they voted the EXACT OPPOSITE! That is like saying the sun comes up in the west. THAT IS A LIE!!

  Biden claimed that Obama NEVER said he would sit down with the leaders of Iran, Syria, NK, Cuba and Venezuela without preconditions. Obama is ON VIDEO TAPE SAYING EXACTLY THAT, and he’s been trying to spin his way out of it ever since. Just like Kerry trying to claim that he didn’t REALLY mean that our foreign policy should be able to pass a global test — IT’S A LIE!

  When Biden says his helicopter in Afghanistan was forced down by enemy fire, when, in fact, it was forced down by a snow storm — THAT’S A LIE!

  When Biden says Hezbolah was forced out of Lebanon — THAT’S EITHER A LIE OR HE IS JUST WOEFULLY IGNORANT of relatively recent events in an area where he is supposed to be an expert.

  On Palin’s statement that “millions of small businesses” would see a tax increase, you may have a case; although I see it as more hyperbole or exaggeration. If she’d say that ALL small businesses would see a tax increase, that would have been a lie.

  I don’t think there’s any doubt that the level of Biden’s lies exceeds Palin’s by a WIDE MARGIN, particularly when you compare their relative experience at debating on the national stage.

• 14. js  |  October 5th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

  havent they figured out that we are wise to factcheck.org by now….its heavily funded by obamasiah…and atypical of idiots…they dont bite the hand that feeds them….

  thats why they denied the issue with obamasiah’s birth certificate…even though its in federal court and can grind this election to a dead stop if obamasiah doesnt produce a valid certification of his citizenship…

  burg said “born in kenya” according to barak mohammad obamasiah’s grandma…no wonder he got along so well with rezko…such devious schemes….

• 15. Casper  |  October 5th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

  Retired Spook,
  I actually don’t think either candidate was telling deliberate lies. I doubt anyone could go through a ninety minute debate over a wide range of issues without making at least a couple of mistakes. At least, I never seen a debate like this where mistakes weren’t made. My point is, that if you are going to label one candidates mistakes as lie, then the other candidate should be given the same treatment. BTW, the points I listed were all from Factcheck.org so if you have a disagreement with any of them please address it to them.

• 16. js  |  October 5th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

  thats hogwash casspurr…biden misrepresented facts that he knew to be true…thats a lie…period…no debate about it…

• 17. SEW  |  October 5th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

  TERRY ANDERSON, A BLACK LOS ANGELES TALK RADIO HOST, WENT DOWN A LIST OF THINGS SENATOR OBAMA HAS SAID THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY CORRECT.

  Obama’s Not Quite Exactly:
  1.) Selma March Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

  2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

  3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

  4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga’s follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that….and for more.

  Obama’s cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians’ homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

  5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

  6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

  Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother’s side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father’s side. While Barack Hussein Obama’s father was from Kenya , his father’s family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama’s father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father’s birth certificate even states he’s Arab, not African Negro).

  7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office. 4-3-08 Article ‘Obama was ‘quite religious in Islam” http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

  8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as ‘one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.’ This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says ‘Obama’s narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts .’

  9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could ever speak the language.
  10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn except how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

  11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

  12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine

  13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

  14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

  15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

  16.) Voting ‘Present’ is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 PRESENT or NO VOTES.

  17.) Oops, I Mis-voted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your mis-vote.

  18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
  19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
  20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn’t write it, introduce it, change it or create it.

  21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
  22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came. 23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

  24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

  25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

  26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

  27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

  28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

  29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel ..

  30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.
  31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

  32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.
  33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

  34.) I Don’t Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.
  35.) I don’t Have Lobbyists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
  36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

  37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

  38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it !

  39.) My uncle liberated Auschwitz concentration camp - NOT EXACTLY, your mother had no brothers and the Russian army did the liberating.

• 18. Casper  |  October 5th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

  SEW,
  I’ll see your 39 Obama lies and raise you 105 McCain and Palin lies.

  http://www.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Count_the_Lies

  I’d post them, but there are 22 pages of them, all of which have been independently factchecked.

• 19. TalkingPoint  |  October 5th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

  The main reason for electing John McCain and Sarah Palin is that in them we will find people who love the truth - who prefer the truth, even if it causes them great difficulty.

  At this point, it’s moving from “funny” to”sad” that you actually believe this. McCain-Palin is one of the most dishonest campaigns in modern history, but to Mark Noonan, that means they “love the truth.”

  Again, Mark is trying to define down a definition. This time, the word “truth” is getting sapped of all meaning–which is particularly odd when you consider how much Mark likes to bloviate about how important truth is.

• 20. Mark Noonan  |  October 5th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

  Casper,

  Oh, puhleeese! Independently checked my backside! A bunch of MSMers saying that McCain and/or Palin are wrong about Obama statements and policies doesn’t indicate that McCain or Palin have lied.

  Do you know what a lie is? A lie is the deliberate assertion of something the person knows is false at the time of the assertion. When Sarah Palin says that troops levels have dropped to pre-surge levels, it is an error - and we know that troop levels have fallen and that violence is way down in Iraq, so the truth of the statement is there. When Biden says that we spend in three weeks of combat in Iraq more than we’ve spent in Afghanistan, that is a lie - a lie not only because it is a mis-statement of the facts, but of facts which Joe Biden as a member of the United States legislative branch - with its power of the purse - should know. Furthermore, this is a lie even if, after the fact, various leftwing and MSM groups try to explain it away as “construction” in Afghanistan…even that is incorrect…so we are left with either Biden being the biggest idiot in American politics (and that is saying a lot), or that he’s a liar.

• 21. Casper  |  October 5th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

  Mark,
  I get it. It’s a lie if Biden or Obama say it. It’s an “error” if McCain or Palin say it. RIGHT. Have any Bridges to Nowhere you are trying to sell?
  BTW, McCain and Palin sure have made a lot of “errors” lately.

• 22. Mark Noonan  |  October 5th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

  Casper,

  Geesh - ok, lets try this a different way. Answer these questions:

  Did Obama say he’d meet with the leaders of Iran, North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba without preconditions?

  Yes or no.

  Have troop levels in Iraq gone down?

  Yes or no.

  As you can see, the answer to both is “yes” - so, when Biden said that Obama didn’t say he’d meet with those leaders without pre-conditions, he revealed himself as either a world class idiot, or a liar. Meanwhile, when Palin said that troop levels have dropped to pre-surge levels, that was a mistake - they have dropped, but not exactly as she described. A deliberate lie on Palin’s part would be to say that we have no troops in Iraq - which is the “night and day” sort of difference we saw between Biden’s assertion about whom Obama would meet and Obama’s previous statement about whom he would meet.

  This isn’t that hard, Casper - your guys are liars; they lie a lot…and not just in the sense of getting details wrong, but in the sense of stating things which are at complete variance with the facts.

  Serious, is beating McCain so important that you’re really going to keep covering up for liars? Do you realize where this will lead you?

• 23. Casper  |  October 5th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

  “Did Obama say he’d meet with the leaders of Iran, North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba without preconditions?”

  Yes or no.

  Absolutely yes.

  Have troop levels in Iraq gone down?

  From what point? Compared with the levels from two years ago, no. Compared with the levels at the height of the surge, yes.

  I have no problem admitting that sometimes the Obama campaign has lied. Just not as much as the McCain campaign. You on the other hand refuse to admit that McCain campaign has ever told lies, even when confronted with the truth.

  To paraphrase you:
  Is beating Obama so important that you’re really going to keep covering up for liars? Do you realize where this will lead you?

• 24. Mark Noonan  |  October 5th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

  Casper,

  You’re still covering for them - and the worst part about is that you do know they are liars, and your excuse for supporting Obama/Biden is that you believe - or claim you believe - that McCain/Palin are bigger liars. If I thought that McCain/Palin were liars, I’d drop them like a bad habit…I’d write in Jindal and write article after article condemning them for their lies - why can’t you dump Obama/Biden? Is winning that important to you? And what will you win, supposing you do manage to install known liars into the White House?

• 25. Ricorun  |  October 5th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

  Mark: If I thought that McCain/Palin were liars, I’d drop them like a bad habit…

  Note to self: keep eyes peeled for falling habits.

• 26. Casper  |  October 5th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

  “You’re still covering for them - and the worst part about is that you do know they are liars, and your excuse for supporting Obama/Biden is that you believe - or claim you believe - that McCain/Palin are bigger liars.”

  I’m not sure how I’m covering for them, since I admit they sometimes tell lies. All politicians do. You’re the one that refuses to admit that the McCain/Palin campaign does also. And that’s not why I am supporting Obama. I think he has better ideas and a better temperament than McCain.

  “If I thought that McCain/Palin were liars, I’d drop them like a bad habit…I’d write in Jindal and write article after article condemning them for their lies - why can’t you dump Obama/Biden?”

  I supplied a link to a site documenting over 100 McCain Palin lies on post 18. You might try reading a couple of them. Then check them out yourself. I did. As for dumping Obama/Biden, for who. Bigger liars, or someone that I disagree with on almost evrything?

  “Is winning that important to you?”

  Apparently it is to you or you wouldn’t post some of the things you post.

  “And what will you win, supposing you do manage to install known liars into the White House?”

  I figure they can’t be any worst than McCain/Palin or the guys we had had in there for the last 16 years.

• 27. 1H8L1B5  |  October 5th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

  Rico, I see you too have followed Casspurr to the other side. Good riddance to you too.

  Casspurr, your response, comment #21, sure was a powerful rebuttal–not. You’re a freakin’ lemming. I wonder what crap you feed your young skulls full of mush at that school you profess to be employed. A sad bunch of future lemmings, I gather…

• 28. Casper  |  October 5th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

  keefer,
  Good to hear from you too. Glad to hear that things are going well for you in England. The good news for me is that I took a new job so I get to work with twice as many young minds as I used to. I plan or filling their minds with every bit as much mush as I ever have.

• 29. CanadianObserver  |  October 5th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

  27. 1H8L1B5 | October 5th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

  —————————————

  Hey keefer, can you bring us up to speed as to how those good Yorkshire folks feel about McCain picking Palin as his running mate?

  Are you getting any feedback?

  Don’t bother to remind me since they don’t have a vote it doesn’t matter; just curious, that’s all.

• 30. 1H8L1B5  |  October 5th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

  I figure they can’t be any worst than McCain/Palin or the guys we had had in there for the last 16 years.

  I guess history teachers don’t have to be proficient in writing, huh, Casspurr?

  Any “worst” than???

  Idiot…

• 31. kimberly4victory  |  October 5th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

  “I plan or filling their minds with every bit as much mush as I ever have.”

  Mush? Define mush.

• 32. Casper  |  October 5th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

  “Mush? Define mush.”

  I was referring to keffer’s comment.
  “I wonder what crap you feed your young skulls full of mush”
  In reality, most of what I teach is on the basic skill level. Politics doesn’t come up. I don’t have time for it.

• 33. Mark Noonan  |  October 5th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

  Casper,

  Obama has better tempermant? McCain endured years of torture and came through a hero and he has a worse tempermant than Obama? A man who is a national hero is less than a man who has no actual accomplishments in his life?

  Whatever.

  And I did check out your link and went through them and found them to be just the same, old MSM covers for Obama/attacks on McCain…McCain is a truth teller, as is Governor Palin. If you can’t see this in the record and perceive this with your soul, then the problem lies in you, not me.

• 34. Casper  |  October 5th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

  “And I did check out your link and went through them and found them to be just the same, old MSM covers for Obama/attacks on McCain”

  105 lies documented by 23 different news organizations, all of which you claim to be in the tank for Obama. Whatever.

  And while I agree McCain has accomplished a great deal in life, I would argue that Obama’s accomplishments are every bit as good or better (lawyer, senator, best selling author, father, husband, presidential candidate to name a few). But as with your definition of lying, accomplishments only count fro republicans.

• 35. Casper  |  October 5th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

  for, not fro.

• 36. 1H8L1B5  |  October 5th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

  I plan or filling their minds with every bit as much mush as I ever have.

  Learn to proofread your writing, teacher. You set a very bad example for the kiddies.

  Hey keefer, can you bring us up to speed as to how those good Yorkshire folks feel about McCain picking Palin as his running mate?

  Are you getting any feedback?

  Don’t bother to remind me since they don’t have a vote it doesn’t matter; just curious, that’s all.

  The good Yorkshire folks I hang around with hate libs as much as I do, Canadian Idiot. But why ask and then tell me not to bother. Furthermore, why do you care? You don’t have a vote either, unless you intend to participate in voter fraud. I wouldn’t put it past you–after all, you are a lib. And we all know that libs don’t follow the rules when it comes to honest elections.

  Gotta go to bed now; it’s getting late here in Yorkshire…

• 37. kimberly4victory  |  October 5th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

  Did Obama write his two books or did William Ayres?

  http://www.cashill.com

• 38. Casper  |  October 5th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

  kim,
  You are starting to sound desperate.

• 39. Mark Noonan  |  October 5th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

  Casper,

  I’ll admit that I actually consider the attainment of a law degree to be a strike against a man - my attitude is like Dr. Johnson’s - “I don’t wish to speak ill of a man behind his back, but I do believe he is an attorney”. Couple this disdain for the whole business of lawyering with the fact that colleges have massively dumbed-down their requirements (especially in subjective things, like law degrees), I don’t hold “lawyer” or “college graduate” to be much of an accomplishment.

  As for “father” - well, Michelle helped in that, didn’t she? I do admire those who raise their children well, and the Obama children are adorable and we can set them against Obama’s failings and call him even with the world - but not advantaged over John McCain, who has also raised some fine children.

  “Best selling author” is an accomplishment - if Obama had been a writer for his calling and after years of effort had finally gotten a publisher to believe in his work and bring it before the world which then responded to extraordinary talent…writing a book when already famous and having your fame drive sales is not quite the same sort of accomplishment.

  “Senator” is often an accomplishment of note - but as Obama won mostly on the strength of MSM allies pulling a dirty trick which forced his strong GOP opponent out and handed him a joke-candidate to run against, its not so much of an accomplishment…not as much, say, as if a nobody in 2010 takes on a powerful Senator and emerges victorious.

  “Presidential candidate” - well, Lyndon LaRouche has much more experience as a Presidential candidate than your man Obama, but I doubt that you rate him very highly.

  He’s a nobody who has accomplished nothing which indicates an ability to be President…and given his associations with racists, anti-Americans and his penchant for lying, I’d say we got a man clearly unfit for the White House. But, hey, you go with what you think is right.

• 40. CanadianObserver  |  October 5th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

  keefer…..”The good Yorkshire folks I hang around with hate libs as much as I do”

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  Well, I am happy to hear you were able to find friends who are as congenial and open minded as you, keefer. Congrats!!

• 41. Casper  |  October 5th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

  Sad that you have so little faith in McCain that you feel the only way for him to win is tear down Obama.

• 42. CanadianObserver  |  October 5th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

  39. Mark Noonan | October 5th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

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  You need to take some time out to have a good long conversation with your Lord & Savior, Mark.

  The bile and bitterness coming from that post is alarming.

  Are you losing your perspective as well as your faith?

• 43. TalkingPoint  |  October 5th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

  kim,
  You are starting to sound desperate.

  “Starting?” She’s been desperate for a while now-as have all the wingnuts on this site. Look at how desperate Noonan is, trying to ignore McCain-Palin lies and letting his obvious jealousy of Obama run wild. It would be sad if it weren’t so amusing. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch, either.

• 44. Ricorun  |  October 5th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

  keef: Rico, I see you too have followed Casspurr to the other side. Good riddance to you too.

  Do not mistake or equate criticism of one side for advocacy of another. The fact is, I don’t know how I’m going to vote. Maybe I’m unusual in the respect that since the primaries ended it has been, for me, a question of whether McCain can convince me he deserves my vote. So far he hasn’t done that. I’m not an Obamamaniac, but neither am I a Palinaniac. Neither one are The One. More importantly, McCain has yet to convince me that he is either. In order to do so, he has to become more consistent, not more erratic. Don’t you think?

  [By the way, I added that rhetorical question at the end to make you feel more at home there in jolly old England, lol!]

• 45. A-10  |  October 5th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

  I did a little research on the VP Debate and Sen Biden’s penchant for not telling the truth and this is what I found:

  Question #1: Big bailout bill

  Sen Biden answer: “..the economic policies of the last eight years have been the worst economic policies we’ve ever had. As a consequence, you’ve seen what’s happened on Wall Street.’ (LIE)

  Anaylsis: The economic policies of the last eight years have not been the worst we have ever had. Those during the Carter years were much worse, resulting in double-digit inflation and interest rates. The economic policies did not result in what happened on Wall Street, the FM/FM problems and others, were a result of Democrats lifting restrictions on lending and encouraging risky loans.

  Sen Biden: “the economic theories have been, this excessive deregulation, the failure to oversee what was going on, letting Wall Street run wild” (LIE)

  Analysis: Again, there was no “deregulation.” There was Democrats forced through policies mandating that banks must give loans to those who normally would be poor risks. Sen McCain and others have called for additional oversight for years. The Democrats blocked the oversight.

  Score - Questions: 1 - Lies: 3

  Question #2: Shrinking this gap of polarization .

  Sen Biden answer: Rambled on, but never answered the question.

  Score - Questions: 2 - Lies: 3 - Rambling answers: 1

  Question #3: Blame for subprime lending meltdown.

  Sen Biden answer: “So what you had is you had overwhelming deregulation.” (LIE) “John McCain thought the answer is that tried and true Republican response, deregulate, deregulate.” (LIE)

  Analysis: Again, there was no overwhelming deregulation. There was Democrat led legislation that forced banks and other lendors to make risky loans. Sen McCain was calling for more oversight, not deregulation.

  Additional Sen Biden answer: “Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes.” (LIE)

  Sen Obama voted for non-binding tax increase on $42K income. Sen Obama voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. Sen Obama voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. Sen Obama voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. Sen Obama voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. Sen Obama voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. Sen Obama voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends.

  There are more, but you get the point.

  Additional Sen Biden answer: “The middle class under John McCain’s tax proposal, 100 million families, middle class families, households to be precise, they got not a single change, they got not a single break in taxes.” “No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama’s plan will see one single penny of their tax raised whether it’s their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax.” (Filled with LIES and untruths)

  Analysis: There are only 111,000,000 total households in the US. About 50,000,000 are “middle class” (Income from $35,000 to $100,000) Sen Biden was only off by a factor of 2. Sen McCan proposes permanently repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax, which will cut taxes for 25,000,000 middle class families. Sen Obama voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. Sen Obama voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. Sen Biden is lying when he is saying Sen Obama will not raise taxes. He has consistently voted to raise taxes or repeal tax cuts.

  Additional Sen Biden answer: “taxing your health care benefit to give you a $5,000 plan, which his Web site points out will go straight to the insurance company.” “replace a $12,000 plan with a $5,000 check you just give to the insurance company.” (LIE)

  Analysis: Sen McCain’s plan does count employer paid health benefits as taxable income, but provides a tax credit of $5,000. So, if your health benefit costs your employer $12,000, that is added to your taxable income. You would then receive a $5,000 tax credit. Even if you were in the highest tax bracket (35%) you would have an additional tax liability of $4200, but would get a $5000 tax credit for a net decrease in taxes of $800.

  Only if you do not have employer paid health benefits will the $5000 go directly to the insurance company. NOT if you have employer provided health benefits. You will receive $5000 off your health insurance costs. Sen Biden is lying about Sen McCain’s plan.

  Score - Questions: 3 - Lies: 8 - Rambling answers: 1

  Question #4: What promises are you not going to be able to keep?

  Sen Biden answer: “She imposed a windfall profits tax up there in Alaska.” (LIE)

  Analysis: In Alaska, the natural resources are the property of the State of Alaska and its people. Oil companies lease land to drill and are required to pay a percentage of the sale of the oil and natural gas to the State of Alaska. It is not a “windfall profits tax.” The state is paid regardless if there is any profits.

  Score - Questions: 4 - Lies: 9 - Rambling answers: 1

  Qestion #5: Bankruptcy bill

  Sen Biden answer: “we should be allowing bankruptcy courts to be able to re-adjust not just the interest rate you’re paying on your mortgage to be able to stay in your home, but be able to adjust the principal that you owe, the principal that you owe.”

  Analysis: While not a lie, allowing judges the power to adjust the principal on loans is insane.

  Score - Questions: 5 - Lies: 9 - Rambling answers: 1 Insane answers: 1

  Question #6: Climate change.

  Sen Biden’s answer: “The cause is manmade. That’s the cause.” (WRONG) “it will take 10 years for one drop of oil to come out of any of the wells that are going to begun to be drilled.” (LIE) “McCain has voted 20 times against funding alternative energy sources and thinks, I guess, the only answer is drill, drill, drill.” (LIE) “I have always supported it [clean coal]. That’s a fact.” (LIE)

  Analysis: In an attempt to appeal to the environmental wackos, Sen Biden has put his climatologist hat on and declared the cause of climate change is madmade. Never mind that since 2007 we have been cooling.

  Some of the wells could come on line in as little as 6-9 months, while others will take several years.

  Sen McCain supports drilling, alternative fuels, wind, solar, nuclear, etc.

  There is a video of Sen Biden stating that no coal plants will be built in the US in a Obama administration, clean or not.

  Score - Questions: 6 - Lies: 12 - Rambling answers: 1 - Insane answers: 2

  Question #7: Same-sex benefits to couples

  Sen Biden answer: “It’s what the Constitution calls for.” (LIE)

  Analysis: The US Constitution does not call for benefits to same-sex couples.

  Score - Questions: 7 - Lies/un-truths: 13 - Rambling answers: 1 - Insane answers: 2

  Question #8: Exit strategy for Iraq.

  Sen Biden’s answer: “For John McCain, there’s no end in sight to end this war, fundamental difference. We will end this war.” (WRONG) “John McCain voted to cut off funding for the troops.” (LIE)

  Analysis: Sen McCain wants to win the war against terrorists. Sen Obama wants to surrender to the terrorists.

  Sen McCain voted against funding with a timeline attached. Once the timeline was removed, Sen McCain voted for the funding. Sen Obama voted against the funding.

  Score - Questions: 8 - Lies/un-truths: 14 - Rambling answers: 1 - Insane answers: 2

  Question #9: Greater threat, a nuclear Iran or an unstable Afghanistan?

  Sen Biden’s answer: “Pakistan’s weapons can already hit Israel and the Mediterranean.” (WRONG)

  Score - Questions: 9 - Lies/un-truths: 15 - Rambling answers: 1 - Insane answers: 2

  Question #10: Level of engagement with enemies.

  Sen Biden’s answer: “He did not say sit down with Ahmadinejad.” (LIE) “John McCain said as recently as a couple of weeks ago he wouldn’t even sit down with the government of Spain” (LIE)

  Analysis: While I have not found a video clip where Sen Obama says “Ahmadinejad”, he does agree to meetings with Iran’s leaders without preconditions.

  What Sen McCain said in relation to Spain was: ”
  I’m willing to meet with any leader who is dedicated to the same principles and philosophy that we are for human rights, democracy and freedom.” Doesn’t sound like refusing to meet to me.

  Score - Questions: 10 - Lies/un-truths: 17 - Rambling answers: 1 - Insane answers: 2

  Question #11: Israeli-Palestinian conflict

  Sen Biden’s answer: “When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.” (LIES)

  Analysis: We didn”t “kick” Hezbollah out of Lebanon, we “kicked” Syria out of Lebanon. There is no record of Sen Biden or Sen Obama ever suggesting that NATO move forces in.

  Score - Questions: 11 - Lies/un-truths: 19 - Rambling answers: 1 - Insane answers: 2

  Question #12: Interventionism, nuclear weapons.

  Sen Biden’s answer: “our commanding general in Afghanistan said the surge principle in Iraq will not work in Afghanistan”

  “we spend in three weeks on combat missions in Iraq, more than we spent in the entire time we have been in Afghanistan.” (LIE)

  “John McCain voted against a Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty that every Republican has supported.” (LIE)

  Analysis: Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

  We have spent $172B in Afghanistan. We spend about $8B in 3 weeks in Iraq. The last time I checked, $172B is about 21 times more than $8B.

  49 other Republican senators voted ‘no’ with Sen McCain on the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty.

  Score - Questions: 12 - Lies/un-truths: 22 - Rambling answers: 1 - Insane answers: 2

  Question #13: Being an interventionist

  Sen Biden’s answer: “So John McCain’s strategy in this war, not just whether or not to go, the actual conduct of the war has been absolutely wrong from the outset.” (LIE)

  Analysis: Sen McCain advocated the “Surge.” The “Surge” has worked. Sen McCain was right.

  Score - Questions: 13 - Lies/un-truths: 23 - Rambling answers: 1 - Insane answers: 2

  Question #14: “Heartbeat away”

  Sen Biden’s answer: “go to Katie’s Restaurant” (LIE)

  Analysis: Katie’s Restaurant closed over 15 years ago.

  Score - Questions: 14 - Lies/un-truths: 24 - Rambling answers: 1 - Insane answers: 2

  Question #15: Vice Presidential duties.

  Sen Biden’s answer: “Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that’s the Executive Branch.” (WRONG) “He has no authority relative to the Congress.” (WRONG)

  Analysis: Article II of the Constitution defines the role of the Legislative Branch.

  The Vice President is the President of the Senate. He has authority to break ties and control debate.

  Score - Questions: 15 - Lies/un-truths: 26 - Rambling answers: 1 - Insane answers: 2

  Question #16: Conventional wisdom.

  Sen Biden’s answer: “He [Sen McCain] has not supported tax cuts. (LIE)

  Analysis: Sen McCain has voted for tax cuts and wants to make them permanent.

  Score - Questions: 16 - Lies/un-truths: 27 - Rambling answers: 1 - Insane answers: 2

  Question #17: Forced to change

  Sen Biden’s answer: No opportunity to lie.

  Score - Questions: 17 - Lies/un-truths: 27 - Rambling answers: 1 - Insane answers: 2

  Bottom line: Sen Biden was asked 17 questions. He either lied, was wrong, twisted the truth, or gave an insane answer on all but two questions. Sen Biden was truthful only 12% of the time. That’s a failing grade to me.

• 46. Jeremiah  |  October 5th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

  41. Casper | October 5th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

  Sad that you have so little faith in McCain that you feel the only way for him to win is tear down Obama.

  Really, Casper?

  Exposing Obama’s record is “sad”?

  What’s really sad is supporting a man that voted four times to allow unborn children to lie on a cold dirty floor and die!!!

  Does it make you happy or sad that Obama voted 4 times to allow innocent little people to lie on a cold dirty floor to die?