Obama Stands Against America
October 8th, 2008 at 01:09am Mark Noonan
Yet another timely warning of just how dangerous an Obama Presidency would be:
The Director of the Human Rights Foundation, Armando Valladares, said that electing Barack Obama as the next U.S. President, would go against “the values, principles and ideals that have shaped this great nation…”
…Valladares spent 22 years in a Cuban prison before moving to the United States, where he currently resides. According to him, Obama is governed by the Marxist belief that “the end justifies the means.”
The Latino leader said that if Obama wins the election, “more than ever, our society will be in great danger. One of his objectives is the dissolution of the family and its values. Obama supports marriage between same-sex partners. He wants to bring it to the Constitution. Obama is in favor of the adoption of children by gay couples. Rather than favoring prayer in schools, he advocates the distribution of condoms.”
The greatest concern of Valladares is Obama’s relationship with terrorists. “William ‘Bill’ Ayers was one of the founders of the leftist organization ‘The Weatherman.’ It was this group that put the bomb at the headquarters of the police department in New York back in 1970. Additionally, the bombings at the Capitol in Washington in 1971 and at the Pentagon in 1972 are among their other terrorist acts.”
“Obama and Ayers served together in the extreme leftist organization, Woods Fund Board, from 1999 to 2002. Ayers introduced his terrorist friends to Obama and organized parties at his house to raise money for Obama’s campaign to the Senate in Illinois. They appeared together many times in public lectures, panels. Ayers was a donor to the Obama campaign in 2001.”
According to Valladares, if Obama is elected, Ayers would have a place in his administration.
Right now, Ayers has become too toxic for him to find a spot in an Obama Administration - but the ideology of Ayers would certainly find a home in Obama’s White House. Watching Obama fumble around with mindless talking points during the “townhall” debate, I get the distinct impression that Obama wouldn’t be the leader of his Administration - he is the definition of the empty suit and his ideological mentors can pour into him whatever they please. One of the more curious things right now is that for 8 years the left has been complaining that President Bush is a mindless tool of shadowy special interests who get him to do their bidding while he’s clueless about what is really going on - and now these same leftists are determined to have a mindless tool of shadowy special interest who will be able to get him to do their bidding. Up has become down and we’ve stepped through the looking glass.
These leftists like Ayers certainly believe they are doing the right thing - that the world is never going to be the way its supposed to be until their ideology rules supreme and everyone is forced into the Marxist dispensation. How they manage to deny the truth of their own eyes is inexplicable, but not at all rare - Marx, himself, had no clue about the working class he claimed to advance…no more than did Lenin, Stalin, Mao or Castro and no more than the various leftists in the United States who have risen from the fever swamps of post-Christian philosophy to needlessly trouble the world. Ayers probably has a high opinion of himself, as does Obama - that neither of them have ever done anything to actually help a downtrodden person is neither here nor there…no leftist ever has, and none ever will. Actual people are terribly inconvenient for leftists - they prefer to deal with humanity than with humans.
And so here comes Barack Obama, product of mid- to late-20th century American education, which means that unless he exerted himself independently he has only the haziest notion of how the world works or how it got to be the way it is (and such mites of information he’s been given are usually wrong, or grossly misunderstood)…but he’s going to save us all, because he’s been told by his mentors what needs to be done, and it all seems to fit in a nice, neat ideological package - divorced from reality, but Obama lacks the grounding in real world knowledge to detect the difference between the real and the fantasy. Taught his religion by a racist con artist, joined to a grievance-mongering wife, surrounded by sycophants, told endlessly that he’s just oh, so smart and wonderful…he’s going blind into an office he doesn’t have a clue about and which he won’t be able to make work…and thus all power will slip out of his hands and fall into the hands of those who do know how to make it work…under-secretaries and senior bureaucrats and obscure lawyers will decide how things go, with Obama only being called upon to ratify their designs in public speeches, with an MSM counted on to smooth over any difficult questions which may arise. And all things done to advance the leftist agenda for the remaking of the United States.
Will we have this? I don’t think so. Its late in the game and our team is down by 7 with a long yardage, third down conversion necessary just to try and get some momentum…but I think we’re going to win. If we lose, I shan’t be surprised, nor dismayed - I am at peace…but also serenely confident in the outcome. Why? Because America is not what Obama and his handlers believe it is - we’re not a racist, sexist, homophobic society which needs to be cured by a dose of leftism. We’re not a bunch of whiners who are sucking our collective thumb and waiting for Uncle Sugar to come and take care of us. We are Americans - and we wish to live in an American nation, not a country converted into a poor copy of Euro-trash socialism. Last night’s debate showed quite clearly who is the better man to be President - and while it still could end up that the American people hand power to Obama and his Democrats, I think that those who have so far been on the fence now have the knowledge to make their decision, and my prayer - and conviction - is that they will choose correctly.
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Corruption, Democrats, Kook Left, Republicans
88 Comments
1. Kahn | October 8th, 2008 at 1:10 am
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/mystery-of-missing-snl-bailout-skit-explained-nbccom-took-it-down-for-legal-reasons-will-put-back-up-edited-version-today/
Very interesting.
2. Talking Point | October 8th, 2008 at 1:28 am
And the stench of desperation grows ever more pungent.
How they manage to deny the truth of their own eyes is inexplicable, but not at all rare
Few people have such a seemingly limitless ability to do that as you do. And that’s just one of the many, many bits of projection you threw into this little rant.
But this:
that neither of them have ever done anything to actually help a downtrodden person is neither here nor there…no leftist ever has, and none ever will.
is just plain pathetic. Trashing community service in order to boost the sagging fortunes of a losing candidate shows what a bitter, petty little man you are. Of course, we’ve known that about you for a while now.
3. Dennis | October 8th, 2008 at 1:43 am
Is this the Onion? You moonlight for the Onion, right?
I think the internets got tangled up - or else you scrambled your url when you went to post.
4. Kahn | October 8th, 2008 at 1:44 am
TP, but Obamas work as an ACORN lawyer helped lay the groundwork for the current financial crisis, didn’t it?
His socialist mentors really couldn’t be happier. Could they? I mean, IF you hate America what better than to destroy the financial system? Then, impose massive taxes and a socialist health program on it?
I mean really. The Weather Underground? Amateurs compared to Obama and the liberal elite. For cryan out loud, Frank was LITERALLY in bed with Fannie Mae for years! And all Obama could think of to do from his position in the Senate was to write a letter to the Secretary of the Treasury?
Really - this is just TOO damning. Either the Democrats in Congress are the biggest bunch of clowns on the planet ( a strong IF, I admit), or they are actively part of a movement to CHANGE our system.
5. searp | October 8th, 2008 at 2:10 am
Obama stands against America.
Well, I sure hope he stands against your fantasy about America.
And the vast majority of voters will stand with him, not with you.
I won’t say deranged, but some humility from the posters here is in order. You are going to lose, maybe you should be asking yourselves why that is instead of ranting.
6. Jeremiah | October 8th, 2008 at 2:48 am
they are actively part of a movement to CHANGE our system.
Yep. They are. Just like they elected Hitler during the great depression.
Of course, America could have prevented this from happening a long time ago by not allowing “Separation of Church and State” from being implemented by ACLU lawyers … SoCaS was their avenue for socialism, because they knew if they got the children on their side they could turn America into a socialist nation … and we are seeing the effects of that decision today.
When functional democracy goes bad, what do you get? Barack H (Hitler). Obama.
We cannot wait another minute … Obama must be taken into custody!
7. al in la | October 8th, 2008 at 2:54 am
I was on the fence, but after tonight I am going to vote for Sen. Obama.
He was sharp, clear and very compeling. I like him. Sen McCain seemed tired and desperate, Gov. Palin troubles me very much.
Whether it is Sen. Obama or Sen. McCain, I must say how nice it will be to once again have a President who speaks in complete sentences.
8. Faceplant | October 8th, 2008 at 2:55 am
“The Latino leader said that if Obama wins the election, “more than ever, our society will be in great danger. One of his objectives is the dissolution of the family and its values. Obama supports marriage between same-sex partners. He wants to bring it to the Constitution. Obama is in favor of the adoption of children by gay couples. Rather than favoring prayer in schools, he advocates the distribution of condoms.”
Yeah, because endless wars, lawless detentions, domestic spying, torture, secret prisons, and a crumbling economy don’t threaten our society.
Clearly the biggest threat to our way of life is gay people and condoms.
“Obama and Ayers served together in the extreme leftist organization, Woods Fund Board, from 1999 to 2002.”
This is the mission statement of the Woods Fund of Chicago…
“The fund describes itself as “a grantmaking foundation whose goal is to increase opportunities for less advantaged people and communities in the metropolitan area, including the opportunity to shape decisions affecting them. The foundation works primarily as a funding partner with nonprofit organizations. Woods supports nonprofits in their important roles of engaging people in civic life, addressing the causes of poverty and other challenges facing the region, promoting more effective public policies, reducing racism and other barriers to equal opportunity, and building a sense of community and common ground.”
Clearly a threat to our way of life!
“Ayers introduced his terrorist friends to Obama and organized parties at his house to raise money for Obama’s campaign to the Senate in Illinois.”
Uh, the meet and greet was not organized by William Ayers, it was organized by Illinois State legislator Alice Palmer, and those in attendence were a handfull of Palmer supporters.
But to you, and Mr. Valladeras the random supporters of an unkown Illinois state Legislator are Ayers “terrorist friends”.
http://www.wocaonline.org/images/events/sonya-alicepalmer.jpg
That’s an America hating terrorist if I ever saw one!
“They appeared together many times in public lectures, panels.”
Really? So it shouln’t be hard to provide ample examples should it Marky?
“Ayers was a donor to the Obama campaign in 2001.”
Ayers donated $200.00 to Obama’s state congressional campaign 7 years ago. He did not donate to Obama’s prior, or subsequent campaigns. OH THE HORROR!
Hey, and since you are telling us all that Gay people and condoms are going to bring down American society, isn’t it funny that your candidate gladly accepts $2,300.00 in donations from gay porn producers.
I await your outrage.
“According to Valladares, if Obama is elected, Ayers would have a place in his administration.”
A charge that was no doubt pulled entirely out of Mr Valladares butt.
Desperate much?
9. JustSayin | October 8th, 2008 at 5:20 am
Evidence?
Wow. Thank goodness your side is about to spend some time in the political wilderness.
10. bongoman | October 8th, 2008 at 6:09 am
There he goes again! This is at least the second time that Jeremiah has called for a Presidential candidate to be apprehended a month before the election.
His buffoonery knows no limits, his delusion and paranoia are mind-boggling. His obsession with depravity is troubling.
So, lemme get this straight - Jeremiah wants Obama to be jailed just before an election. No charges, just lock him up ’cause poor old Jeremiah’s sensibilities are offended.
You are shameful Jeremiah. Your views are so un-American that I can’t believe you really want to overturn democratic traditions and the rule of law to get your beloved theocracy.
Shame on you, you total fraud, hiding behind your superstitions.
11. Nate | October 8th, 2008 at 7:25 am
“Yep. They are. Just like they elected Hitler during the great depression.”
Please cite your sources on this. hitler never received a majority vote, though the socialist party had some electoral success (but not majority). somehow, hitler forced hindenburg to appoint him chancellor and the stage was set.
one could see some parallels between hitler’s rise to power and bush’s with a national security emergency (communists vs. terrorists), consolidation of executive powers, restriction of liberties, etc. however, fortunately, here in the usa there were plenty of folks standing up to bush and his corrupt administration.
12. js | October 8th, 2008 at 7:30 am
community service…ha@!@ what a joke…acorn blackmailed banks to force them to give more low income loans to people who can not afford them…and another “community service” they provide is a federal crime…by commiting election fraud…
shine on obamasiah…the more we get to know about you…the more we want to hurl….
no wonder he hides so much about his past…why…according to a member of the DNC…he isnt even qualified to run for the wite house…the idiot is lying to us again..he was born in KENYA….he has collected over 400 million dollars on the lie that he is qualifed…as a natural born citizen…to be president…
obama is a con artist…nothing more…
13. Now What? | October 8th, 2008 at 8:09 am
McCain got his *#@ handed to him on a platter last night and all you can do is try and smear Obama.
Obama looked and acted like a President and McCain just looked uncomfortable.
14. js | October 8th, 2008 at 8:14 am
do you lie because it comes natural or just because you dont know better “Now What?”…i mean…an idiot with an iq of 37 really would know the difference between a lie and the truth…so they would just go around spreading rumors that they hear…just like you do…
15. js | October 8th, 2008 at 8:17 am
actually…obama looked pretty uncomfortable for a man that is about to be found out to be the biggest fraud in DNC history…
i mean look at reality…he produced a forged birth certificate on his web site…
if he actually had a genuine…valid…certificate…dont you think he would have presented it….
oh…wait…never mind…im sorry…you really are not qualified to answer that…now be off…go back to your porcelin throne at moveon.org…im sure that you are a highly qualified leader there…
16. Some Assembly Required | October 8th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Obama controlled last nights debate. McCain to me came off as a cry baby with regards to the rules of the debate. It would have been much more interesting if the moderator just let it play out a little more.
Anyway, Obama clearly won where most of it was on domestic issues. Hands down he was better then McCain. When it came to foreign policy I though Obama struggled a little bit with the Georgia question and the moral obligation question. All in all Obama beat McCain last night when it was a must win for McCain. I think this thread and the subsequent attempted change of subject is further proof.
Hey, did you notice Ayers wasn’t mentioned once last night. I guess it’s not as big of a deal as you’d like to believe.
17. Some Assembly Required | October 8th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Speaking of lies js, what is this:
“i mean look at reality…he produced a forged birth certificate on his web site…”
Unsubstantiated Allegation. Proof?
18. js | October 8th, 2008 at 8:38 am
sar…you are about as ignorant as they come…if you want to know…instead of appearing as ignorant as you do…try to google it before you expose your flank…dummy….
19. Now What? | October 8th, 2008 at 8:42 am
js,
It’s the pot calling the kettle black. All that you can do is regurgitate crap from fox “news” and everyone knows how they want a Republican in the white house.
You are the one with an IQ less then W.
McCain tried to look comfortable walking towards the audience, but came across just hobbling and repeating “my friends”.
He is no ones friend.
20. coulterfan | October 8th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Factcheck.org (a site mentioned in MANY McCain ads) has examined Obama’s birth certificate, js, and what did they find?
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
JS, where’s your “evidence” that it’s a forgery? Are you also a 9-11 conspiracy theorist?
BTW, every poll (including FauxNews) has concluded that Obama/Biden has WON every debate so far! So where are you guys getting this alternative reality that McCain won? Heck, even the Weekly Standard and National Review are declaring Obama the winner!
IMO, the sucker-punch of the evening was Obama’s response about McCain saying he’s green behind the ears and McCain being a steady hand (after which McCain said “Thank You”) and then Obama hit him HARD on singing about bombing Iran, talking about obliterating North Korea, saying “Next Up Baghdad!”, etc, etc!
Your guy is a p***y if he has Palin out there implying some stupid connection to terrorism, but can’t confront Obama to his face. Heck, he can’t even look him in the eye and calls him “That One”. . . and at the end of the debate McCain tapped Obama on the shoulder. Obama spun around and stretched his hand out, but McCain didn’t shake it- he directed Obama to shake Cindy’s hand! What was up with that?!?!?
And then he left. . . while Barack and Michelle shook voters hands (as did Brokaw) and talked with them, McCain was NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!!!
What was up with that?!?!?
Can you say “Electoral Landslide”? Or how about “President Obama”- I hope McCain doesn’t insist on disproving his own bi-partisan credentials by calling him “President That One”!
21. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Talking Point,
As usual you liberals are living in an alternate universe. You continually confuse “community service” with “community organizing”.
Someone performing “community serivce” is a volunteer who is helping within the community by leading a Scout Troop (Oh, right, you think the Scouts are evil), building homes with Habitat for Humanity, picking up trash on highways, or reading to the elderly in nursing homes.
“Community organizing” is a completely different operation. Its leaders are paid, usually by Marxist/socialist/communist front groups like ACORN (for which Sen Obama served as an attorney). Their goal is to strongarm local authorities to address aledged grievances. While those recruited into the “community organization” may have noble intentions, the leaders do not. “Community organizer’ see their efforts as a means to control elected or appointed officials.
22. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 8:56 am
coulterfan,
If you did your own fact checking, you’d discover that Factcheck.org HAS NOT examined Obama’s birth certificate. They have examined a document that certifies that a original birth certificate exists.
If this is no big deal, then why doesn’t the Obama campaign simply produce the original birth certificate and end the confusion?
Similarily, if Sen Obama does not have anything to hide, why doesn’t his campaign release his college transcripts? Why don’t they release his medical records? Why don’t they release his clien list as an attorney? Why don’t they release his dealings with Ayers while a board member of CAC and the Woods Fund? Why don’t they release his IL Senate records?
The only reason for not releasing this information is because Sen Obama has something to hide.
23. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Ass…,
“Hey, did you notice Ayers wasn’t mentioned once last night. I guess it’s not as big of a deal as you’d like to believe.”
Not so. Most Americans would like to know why a Presidential candidate would associate himself with an unrepentant domestic terrorist.
The Town Hall format was not the time and place to bring it up. All Sen Obama would have said is “I deplore his actions that he did when I was 8 years old.” He would have refused to explain why he continued to associate with an unrepentant domestic terrorist. He would have refused to explain why he allowed someone who bombed the US Capital, Pentagon, and NYC Police HQ to introduce him to Chicago politics. He would have refused to explain why he thinks Ayers is a upstanding, respectable educator, when Ayers’ WU murdered three police officers.
The Ayers history of hatred for America is clear. He led the WU, which committed 30 bombings. In 2001, he admitted he didn’t think they did enough and would do it all over again. In 2006, he met with Hugo Chavez and endorsed Chavez’s regime. William Ayers hasn’t changed his philosophy. He is still a radical, Marxist communist. An Sen Obama worked along side him for 13 years. That speaks volumes about Sen Obama’s judgement, character, and fitness for elected office.
You liberals can try to diminish the Obama-Ayers connection all you want. Patriotic American see the relationship as it is: William Ayers, an unrepentant, domestic terrorist, took young Barack Obama under his wing, introduced him to Chicago politics, hired him as a Board member of the CAC and Woods Fund, possibly ghostwrote Obama’s book, and continues to support Obama’s campaign. Sen Obama probably wouldn’t be where he is today if it weren’t for William Ayers. I shutter to think of how a President Obama would repay this terrorist for his mentorship and support for the last two decades.
24. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Ass…,
Noone is ever going to agree on who won last night’s debate. If you are a Obamaniac, you think Sen Obama won. If you are a patriotic America who is fearful of a Marxist/socialist in the Oval Office, you think Sen McCain won.
As with the VP Debate, many people think Sen Obama won on points. But just as with the VP Debate, many of Sen Obama’s “points” were lies.
As Mark pointed out on a different thread, Sen Obama lied about Bush and McCain fighting against regulation of the financial industry. But President Bush and Sen McCain were fighting for additional oversight of FM/FM. Democrats like Sen Obama, Rep Frank, and Sen Dodd block any attempt at oversight reform. Did they have any stake in allowing FM/FM to continue their corrupt ways? You decide. Rep Frank was LITERALLY in bed with a FM/FM executive. Sen’s Obama and Dodd were the main recipients of FM/FM campaign contributions.
Sen Obama lied about his “tax cuts”. He can’t cut taxes for 95% of Americans. Nearly 50% of American families DON”T PAY TAXES. He he implying a redistribution of wealth? Take even more from the hard-working American in the highest tax brackets and give it to those who refuse to work or contribute nothing to our economy? He further lied when he said that those 95% will see no increase in taxes. He cannot raise taxes on the other 5%, raise taxes on businesses, or raise the Capital Gains tax without it resulting in a tax increase for most Americans. Every increase in corporate taxes is passed on to the consumer. Doesn’t Sen Obama know that? Didn’t he ever take Econ 101? Oh, wait, we don’t know because he refuses to release his college records.
Sen Obama lied about the McCain Health Plan. While I will concede that Sen McCain should have corrected Sen Obama, Sen Obama should not continue to lie about the plan. Sen Obama claims that the $5000 goes directly to the insurance companies and tax payers do not get a break. That is a bold-faced lie. If you have an employer paid health plan, the employer contribution is taxed, but you receive a tax credit of up to $5000. So, if the plan costs $10,000, and you are in the 20% tax bracket, you have an additional $2000 tax liability. But you get a $5000 credit, resulting in a net decrease in your tax liability of $3000. Only if you are buying your own health insurance does the $5000 go directly to the insurance company. But then, you’ve just saved $5000. Sen Obama is trying to deceive America about the McCain plan.
The lies went on and on and on. He lied about why we went into Iraq (the old “we attacked a country that had nothing to do with 9/11″ meme. No one said they did. They were in violation of 17 UN Resolutions and a Ceasefire, Saddam was murdering hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, he had possessed and used WMDs). He lied about our efforts in Afghanistan. He lied about the causes for the financial markets crisis. He lied about our efforts to stop nuclear proliferation in North Korea and Iran. He lied about the Taliban “stronger now than any time since 2001″ (Earth to Sen Obama: in 2001, the Taliban RAN the entire country of Afghanistan. They don’t now)
When he wasn’t lying, he was dodging questions. He never answered why he thought it necessary to ask for nearly $1B in earmarks. He never answered if he would commit US troops to defend Israel.
He and Sen Biden make a great ticket. They both can lie convincingly.
25. edward stubbs | October 8th, 2008 at 9:45 am
This is the sort of crap that is turning voters away from MCsame.
All this I love America more than you rubbish has to stop. We all love our country (apart from the separatist element in the Palin household), but have different ideas on the best way to take it forward.
Voters have seen through this nonsense and are rightly pissed off by it.
26. Some Assembly Required | October 8th, 2008 at 9:47 am
“Not so. Most Americans would like to know why a Presidential candidate would associate himself with an unrepentant domestic terrorist.”
This is where your wrong. Most Americans as of right now what to know if their 401K’s are safe, how their going to pay the bills and whats going to be the next blow to the economy. They don’t care about some association that Obama had with a man who committed terrible acts when Obama was 8.
Incidently, how do you feel about Palin’s ties to AIP? How about to her husband who was a former member of AIP? Explain that one away sherlock
27. Jay Gaultieri | October 8th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Valladares is wrong. Neither Obama nor Biden support “bringing gay marriage before the Constitution”. They think marriage should be left to the states, they support civil unions, and their take on the matter is the same as Palin’s. Gay marriage was a wedge issue to bring out the evangelical vote back in 2004. It failed as a GTO ploy in 2006 and it really doesn’t get mentioned anymore.
Oh, js and Jeremiah seem to be going off the deep end. The anti-Obama rhetoric out there is starting to get hysterical.
28. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Equally troubling (along with the Obama-Ayers connection), is Sen Obama’s ties to ACORN.
ACORN is the most radical group in America, more radical than Code Pink and Moreon.org.
Not only is ACORN much to blame for the current credit crisis by forcing banks and mortgage companies to make risking loans under the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act, they are the leading organization advocating and committing voter registration fraud.
Sen Obama’s ties to ACORN go back to his days as a Marxist, Saul Alinsky trained “Community Organizer.” Madeleine Talbot, a leader with ACORN in Chicago, asked Barack Obama to train her staff.
Barack Obama also worked with Project VOTE, which worked hand-in-hand with ACORN in illegal voter registration.
When Sen Obama was on the CAC and Woods Fund boards, he funnelled millions of dollars to ACORN.
Most damaging is Sen Obama’s time as an attorney representing ACORN when he was in Chicago. He defended ACORN’s bullying lenders and illegal voter registration.
The Obama-ACORN link is still active. Recently it was discovered that the Obama Campaign paid an ACORN front company over $800,000. ACORN has raised millions for the Obama campaign.
How pervasive is ACORN voter registration fraud? At least 13 states are investigating ACORN for voter registration fraud. There is a long list of ACORN convictions for voter registration fraud. Just yesterday, the FBI raided the Las Vegas office of ACORN after it was reported that only 6 of 1800 ACORN voter registrations were valid. (No, Tony Romo doesn’t live in Nevada)
Lets connect the dots: ACORN is the leading group committing voter registration fraud. In every reported case, ACORN is committing voter registration fraud on behalf of Democrats. ACORN has endorsed Sen Obama for President. Barack Obama has a long relationship with ACORN, having trained its staff in Chicago, served as an ACORN attorney, and funded ACORN while at CAC and the Woods Fund.
29. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Ass..,
“This is where your wrong. Most Americans as of right now what to know if their 401K’s are safe, how their going to pay the bills and whats going to be the next blow to the economy. They don’t care about some association that Obama had with a man who committed terrible acts when Obama was 8. ”
Yes, they are concerned about the financial future. But do they know that the Donks are the one’s mainly responsible for the crisis. It was President Carter that inacted the Community Reinvestment Act. It was Democrats that have blocked reform of FM/FM. It was Democrats that were in bed with FM/FM, literally.
If you think that Sen Obama is the answer to the financial crisis, you are either foolish or delusional. He will add to the problem with his tax and spend policies.
“Incidently, how do you feel about Palin’s ties to AIP? How about to her husband who was a former member of AIP?”
She has no ties to AIP, so it isn’t an issue. And the last time I checked Todd Palin isn’t running for office.
So answer me this: Are you perfectly okay with your Presidential candidate being closely tied to an unrepentant, domestic terrorist? Simply deploring his actions of the 70’s doesn’t cut it.
You cannot defend the Obama-Ayers connection. Instead, you bring up the Keating 5 - which Sen McCain was cleared of any wrongdoing. You bring up AIP - which Gov Palin is not connected to. Why can’t you admit that Sen Obama made a HUGE mistake by becoming associated with a terrorist. And remember it wasn’t a casual relationship. He worked with Ayers for 13 years.
On the other hand, all the questions about Gov Palin and the AIP have been answered. Gov Palin has been a registered Republican and never was a member of the AIP. Reports to the contrary have been proven to be lies. Even Todd Palin has not been a member of the AIP since 2002.
But it doesn’t surprise me that you are more concerned by a non-existent connection between Gov Palin and AIP than Sen Obama’s LONG association with a terrorist and a radical group. Its not as if Gov Palin launched her political campaign at the home of a AIP leader. Its not as if Gov Palin worked with the AIP for 13 years. Its not as if Gov Palin was an attorney for the AIP. Its not as if Gov Palin steered millions to the AIP. Its not as if Gov Palin accepted millions in contributions from the AIP.
30. js | October 8th, 2008 at 10:49 am
20. coulterfan | October 8th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Factcheck.org (a site mentioned in MANY McCain ads) has examined Obama’s birth certificate, js, and what did they find?
JS, where’s your “evidence” that it’s a forgery? Are you also a 9-11 conspiracy theorist
see…you are not paying attention culterflop…if you had been…you would have seen expert analysis on this issue by now…instead of hawking the factcheck BS…
factcheck has an interest to promte obama…hence…thier intentional ignorance of facts about berg’s case in PA…and yours as well…
so go blow your hot air where your lies are believed…because claiming bs on your part is nothing more than intentional ignorance…
31. kimberly4victory | October 8th, 2008 at 10:54 am
A-10 … have I told you lately that I love you. :-) Thank you for the slapdowns on our resident Obots.
BTW, ACORN is now being investigated for voter fraud in TEN states. Their reply, the typical liberal ploy: when caught doing something illegal, pull out the race card.
32. js | October 8th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Annenberg Factcheck’s LIES on Obama’s gun record
There’s nothing unbiased about so called “Factcheck.” The media loves to haul it out as a truth arbiter, but all the group does is call itself “factcheck” and set itself up as the authority on political ads. When it comes to the gun issue, they let their biases cloud the way of judgment. Much of this is the same stuff I debunked against the Washington Post (on record supporting a total gun ban). which Obama used as a source when he acted like the KGB in threatening to go after the FCC license of radio stations who aired the campaign ad.
First off, “factcheck” is “Annenberg Factcheck.” Obama got his political start with terrorist Bill Ayers as part of Chicago’s Annenberg Challenge. Both “Factcheck” and Annenberg Challenge have the same funders, the Annenberg Foundation. Annenberg Foundation also Gave $100,000 to the gun grabbers. Money talks, BS walks.
http://republicanmichigander.blogspot.com/2008/09/annenberg-factchecks-lies-on-obamas-gun.html
and for the sake of facts…the real name of factcheck.com is annenberg fact check…a bias is expected…what did you think…that a liberal could run an unbiased web site…lol…wake up morons
33. TalkingPoint | October 8th, 2008 at 10:58 am
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34. CanadianObserver | October 8th, 2008 at 11:01 am
JS, where’s your “evidence” that it’s a forgery? Are you also a 9-11 conspiracy theorist
see…you are not paying attention culterflop…if you had been…you would have seen expert analysis on this issue by now
29. js | October 8th, 2008 at 10:49 am
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If that expert analysis exists, please link to it, svp.
35. kimberly4victory | October 8th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Obots believe Obama won the debate because he looked and sounded presidential. LMAO.
So I guess starting a war with an ally who has nuclear power in order to get one man is “presidential”?
Obama is extremely reckless in his words and is unqualified/unfit to be POTUS.
36. Some Assembly Required | October 8th, 2008 at 11:19 am
“She has no ties to AIP, so it isn’t an issue. And the last time I checked Todd Palin isn’t running for office.”
She doesn’t? Didn’t she speak at their convention? And you are right that Todd Palin isn’t running for Office, but he’s Her HUSBAND. They’ve been married for over 10 years. That is a LONG and PERSONAL association with a man who was a member of a separatist and arguably terrorist organisation (AIP).
Last time I checked Ayers wasn’t running for Office either.
A-10, I really have got to hand it to you. At least you attempted to answer my question despite the fact is shows your inherent double standard and hypocracy. As for your question, it really doesn’t bother me about Palin or her husband and AIP nor does the Ayers thing bother me. However since Ayers bothers you so much it’s an effective argument to use AIP to show your double standard.
Have a nice day.
37. coulterfan | October 8th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Hey JS. . . wasn’t Annenberg a lifelong Republican? Wasn’t he appointed as ambassador to the UK by Nixon? Wasn’t his wife appointed by Reagan to the State Dept? Weren’t they, in fact, close personal friends of the Reagans?
From Wikipedia:
Does this mean that Annenberg, Nixon, and Reagan are also terrorists or terrorist sympathizers?
38. phnx | October 8th, 2008 at 11:29 am
ACORN has now taken victim status to new heights…claiming that THEY are the victims in this voter registration fraud. Imagine that, a conspiracy of homeless people across a dozen states to defraud ACORN of funds. This has got to win some kind of Chutzpah Prize. Maybe this is what Obama meant by the Audacity of Hope.
39. Some Assembly Required | October 8th, 2008 at 11:32 am
IRONY, republicans complaining an organization they suspect of voter fraud is playing the victim. Thanks for the hump day humor phnx.
40. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 11:35 am
To all you Koolaid drinking Obamamanics:
I would like to hear your defense of Sen Obama on the following issues. No defection. No changing the subject. No comparing with any other politician. Just your defense.
1. Defend Sen Obama’s long association with a terrorist. Why doesn’t knowningly working with a terrorist reflect negatively on his judgement and character?
2. Defend Sen Obama’s long association with the illegal activities of ACORN. Why doesn’t providing legal council, funding, training, and accepting funds from a radical leftist organization which commits voter registration fraud and is behind the credit crisis reflect negatively on his judgement and character?
3. Defend Sen Obama’s refusal to release his original birth certificate, college records, medical records, client lists, IL Senate records, and dealings while at CAC and the Woods Fund. Why doesn’t failure to release this information cause one to wonder what he’s hiding?
4. Defend Sen Obama’s refusal to admit the the “Surge” strategy was a success.
5. Defend Sen Obama’s association with the Joyce Foundation, where he was Chairmen. Why doesn’t advocating the reduction of 2nd Amendment rights reflect negatively on his oath to support and defend the Constitution?
6. Defend Sen Obama’s constant use of class warfare. Why should those who are already paying the vast % of income taxes be expected to pay even more? Why isn’t this a further step towards Socialism?
7. Defend Sen Obama’s 20 year association with a racist, anti-American church. Why doesn’t his attendance reflect negatively on his judgement and character?
8. Defend Sen Obama’s actions to block reform and oversight of FM/FM while taking record contributions from FM/FM. Why doesn’t his duplicity reflect negatively on his judgement and character?
9. Defend Sen Obama’s actions in Kenya in support of Raila Odinga. Why does campaigning for someone who wants to bring Kenya under Sharia law not reflect negatively on his judgement and character?
10. Defend Sen Obama’s stance on Freedom of Choice Act, which he has said he will sign. Why is it moral and ethical to support killing an unborn baby in the womb, to allow a baby who survived an abortion to just die, to perform “partial birth abortions?” Why doesn’t his disregard for human life reflect negatively on his judgement and character?
11. Defend Sen Obama’s nearly $1B in earmarks. Why doesn’t providing earmarks to his wife’s employer reflect negatively on his judgement and character? Why doesn’t providing earmarks to those who commit to raising campaign contributions smack of corruption?
12. Defend Sen Obama’s statement that he would meet without pre-conditions with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea. Why doesn’t this reflect negatively on his judgement and character?
13. Defend Sen Obama’s total lack of accomplishments as a student, president of the Harvard Law Review, “Community Orgainzer”, Board member of CAC and the Woods Fund, State Senator, and US Senator. Why does a total lack of accomplishment make him qualified and experienced to be President?
13. Defend Sen Obama’s total lack of leadership and executive experience. Why does a total lack of executive experience make him qualified to be President?
14. Defend Sen Obama’s attempts to silence critics through intimidation and threats of criminal prosecutions. Why doesn’t this blantant attempt to violate 1st Amendment rights reflect negatively on his judgement and character?
14. Defend Sen Obama’s constant distortions of the truth on his opponent’s policies.
Remember, no defection. No changing the subject. No comparing with any other politician. Just your defense.
41. coulterfan | October 8th, 2008 at 11:36 am
>>Obots believe Obama won the debate because he looked and sounded presidential. <<
Sorry, Kimberly, but it was INDEPENDENTS which gave all three debates to Obama/Biden by a nearly 2 to 1 margin!
This includes, of course, FauxNews own focus group as well as CBS and CNN.
Not only that, but listen to McCain. . . he is stealing lines from Obama and the Democrats. He talks about health care, he talks about regulation, he talks about change. . . if one doesn’t pay attention to his policies and past positions, one might think he was a Democrat himself!
Funny, but McCain/Palin are not running as Republicans, but as “Mavericks®”! The thing is: the only times he has broken with his party (immigration, campaign finance reform, Bush’s tax cuts, etc) have been VERY unpopular with his base. Now he has completely flip-flopped and is a party-line Republican- voting with Bush over 90% of the time!
Face it. . . you folks are in serious trouble!. The Democrats will have the White House, and sizable majorities in BOTH houses of Congress after Nov 4!
And your party leader even is trying to SOUND like a Democrat!
42. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 11:37 am
kimberly4victory,
You make me blush. But thanks.
43. Some Assembly Required | October 8th, 2008 at 11:43 am
39. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 11:35 am
What economy?
This campaign is not about issues POW POW!
44. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Ass..,
“nor does the Ayers thing bother me.”
That’s where we differ. Associating with a terrorist is a big deal. Maybe not to you, but to most Americans it does.
Would you be as equally at ease if Sen Obama had a similar relationship to Osama bin Laden? They (Ayers and bin Laden) are both terrorists. Osama bin Laden hasn’t orchestrated any attacks against the US for years. So, in your mind, he’s a great guy. Just someone who lives in the same neighborhood. Pathetic.
45. js | October 8th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
ok…for the mental midgets that prefer to ignore the posts made yesterday…and the day before…and the days and weeks before that..(ya..that is you SAR.. culterfan and canadianobamascum..)
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
do you actually think that all 3 of you stooges can stick your heads in the sand and make a lie into the truth?
bottom line…3 ignorant liberals does not equal 1 intelligent person…proof is in the puddin they say…so tar n feather that
46. kimberly4victory | October 8th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
A-10: :-)
You won’t get any answer for any of your questions, I’m afraid. They are Obots and cannot think for themselves.
CoulterFan: LMAO! You REALLY think those were Independent or undecided voters? You Obots are so damn gullible.
I’ve heard that A LOT of people who were on the fence are paying MORE attention to THAT ONE’s association with William Ayers. Yep, Obama’s shady associations and his link to ACORN will be his downfall.
47. js | October 8th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Barack Hussein has recently admitted to dual citizenship … media yawned, too busy going through Sarah Palin’s trash (at least they are in their own element). How ironic that what we need is a federal elections specialist. Obama is considered an expert in this area having taught it for several years at University of Chicago law school after his stint at ACORN.
Yid with Lid has it all
OBAMA is USING TERRORIST’S LAWYER to Defend LAWSUIT
Rather than just product the birth certificate (is he trying to hide something?) Obama’s legal team filed a motion to dismiss. One of the Lawyers filing the motion was Joe Sandler (sandler@sandlerreiff.com) of the Washington law firm Sandler, Reiff, and Young (see the document below).
If Mr. Sandler’s name sounds familiar it Should. He is the Leagal Hit Man for the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). CAIR is an organization with terrorist ties, and has been as an un-indicted co-conspiritor in the Holyland Foundation Hamas Funding trial.
Sandler’s role for CAIR has been to stifle people from telling the truth about Islam. For example, last year he tried to get Jihad Expert Robert Spencer banned from speaking to the Young American Foundation by using a threatening letter. Sandler followed up by threatening columnist Mike Adams for writing about the Spencer incident.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/obama-uses-terr.html
so funny…you morons cant find google now…lol
48. CanadianObserver | October 8th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
And then he left. . . while Barack and Michelle shook voters hands (as did Brokaw) and talked with them, McCain was NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!!!
20. coulterfan | October 8th, 2008 at 8:43 am
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Yes, that was weird. Perhaps it was way past McCain’s bedtime or perhaps he was pissed that Obama had just made minced meat out of him.
Whatever it was, it made him look like a loser.
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44. js | October 8th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
ok…for the mental midgets that prefer to ignore the posts made yesterday…and the day before…and the days and weeks before that..(ya..that is you SAR.. culterfan and canadianobamascum..)
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/obama-uses-terr.html
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Are those your expert analyses, js?
49. coulterfan | October 8th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
>>You won’t get any answer for any of your questions, I’m afraid. They are Obots and cannot think for themselves.
CoulterFan: LMAO! You REALLY think those were Independent or undecided voters? You Obots are so damn gullible.
I’ve heard that A LOT of people who were on the fence are paying MORE attention to THAT ONE’s association with William Ayers. Yep, Obama’s shady associations and his link to ACORN will be his downfall.<<
A-10 won’t get any answers to his biases questions because:
1) the premises are wrong and consist of lies and innuendo
2) A-10’s already got his mind made up
3) no one has answered any questions about Palin (including Palin herself, who has not given ONE press conference)
As for whether or not these were ‘Independent Voters’. . . Kimberly, we will just have to wait until after election day to see who the American people believe is better equipped and who has the judgement to be POTUS.
Geez, even Stephan Hayes at the Weekly Standard has proclaimed Obama the clear winner in last night’s debate.
I suppose he’s an “Obot” now, too?
50. coulterfan | October 8th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Hey JS, here’s a site for YOU:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
If you revel in conspiracy BS, you will LOVE this site! REAL Vietnam Vets who served with McCain and were imprisoned with him are accusing him of being a ‘Manchurian Candidate’.
Allegedly, McCain made many propaganda videos for the Viet Cong. He was apparently very friendly with his captors. He has not released his psychological profile and clearly demonstrates anger issues (even towards his GOP colleagues in the Senate).
In short, McCain’s fellow veterans believe he is dangerously imbalances and possibly a ‘Manchurian’ Communist sympathizer!
Yet he’s NEVER been asked about these things by the MSM! His propaganda videos have NEVER been shown. . .
Who IS John McCain and what is he HIDING!?!?!?
51. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
coulterfan,
Thank you for proving my point. You CANNOT defend Sen Obama or his lack of judgement and character.
Instead, you deflect, change the subject, and bring up another politician. Sorry. You lose.
Further, “lies and innuendo”?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama has had a long association with a terrorist?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama has had a long ACORN? Is it a lie that he provided legal council, funding, training, and accepting funds from a radical leftist organization which commits voter registration fraud? (They have been convicted, you know, in the past)
Is it a lie that Sen Obama has refused to release his original birth certificate, college records, medical records, client lists, IL Senate records, and dealings while at CAC and the Woods Fund?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama has refused to admit the the “Surge” strategy was a success?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama was the Chair of the Joyce Foundation, which advocates reduction of 2nd Amendment rights?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama uses class warfare?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama had a 20 year association with a racist, anti-American church?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama helped block reform and oversight of FM/FM while taking record contributions from FM/FM?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama campaigned for someone who wants to bring Kenya under Sharia law?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama has said he will sign the Freedom of Choice Act, if elected President?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama has asked for nearly $1B in earmarks, including one for his wife’s employer?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama said that he would meet without pre-conditions with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama has a lack of accomplishments as a student, president of the Harvard Law Review, “Community Orgainzer”, Board member of CAC and the Woods Fund, State Senator, and US Senator?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama has no leadership and executive experience?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama has attempted to silence critics through intimidation and threats of criminal prosecutions?
Is it a lie that Sen Obama has distorted the truth on his opponent’s policies.
No, all these are facts. I want you to defend them.
52. CanadianObserver | October 8th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
50. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
coulterfan,
Thank you for proving my point. You CANNOT defend Sen Obama or his lack of judgement and character.
Instead, you deflect, change the subject, and bring up another politician. Sorry. You lose.
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Uh, Uh, A-10, coulterfan didn’t lose, he just showed you how this type of game can work on both sides of the fence.
53. coulterfan | October 8th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
A-10. . . Let’s take your first question about Obama “working with a terrorist”
Okay. . . is that Annenberg you are referring to? He appointed Ayers, as well as Obama, to his board, so I assume you are referring to that entire bi-partisan board as “terrorists”. . .
Is that correct?
Please provide some evidence that Obama and Annenberg et al conspired on some sort of “terrorist” activity.
If you think your questions are legitimate, I would assume that you are not REALLY interested in the answers anyway.
The American people are smart. . . they see through these tactics and Obama will be elected in an ELECTORAL LANDSLIDE in a month.
I’m not going to waste my time answering stupid questions from folks who think that Obama was born in Kenya and forged his birth certificate despite all evidence to the contrary.
54. kimberly4victory | October 8th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Hmmm. Vietnam Vets for Against McCain. Would that be the same as Republicans for Obama? The ones who are running that fraud site claim to be lifelong Reps, only they aren’t. They’re party status has been debunked.
Gotta love these, Obots. Pretending to be lifelong Republicans, Vets against McCain, concerned Christian voters. It’s quite entertaining.
The entire BO campaign and his Obots are frauds.
55. kimberly4victory | October 8th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
The CAC’s agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers’s educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. In the mid-1960s, Mr. Ayers taught at a radical alternative school, and served as a community organizer in Cleveland’s ghetto.
In works like “City Kids, City Teachers” and “Teaching the Personal and the Political,” Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression. His preferred alternative? “I’m a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist,” Mr. Ayers said in an interview in Ron Chepesiuk’s, “Sixties Radicals,” at about the same time Mr. Ayers was forming CAC.
CAC translated Mr. Ayers’s radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with “external partners,” which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).
The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming “guilt by association.” Yet the issue here isn’t guilt by association; it’s guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago.
56. coulterfan | October 8th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
>>mmm. Vietnam Vets for Against McCain. Would that be the same as Republicans for Obama? The ones who are running that fraud site claim to be lifelong Reps, only they aren’t. They’re party status has been debunked.<<
Actually, Kim. . . you might have noticed that they also HATE Obama!
No, these are lifelong Republicans alright. They are, in fact, racists who have hated McCain since he and Kerry worked together to normalize relations with Vietnam.
And A-10. . . has anyone answered about Palin’s LONG ASSOCIATION with the terrorists she addressed THIS YEAR at their convention?
You know, the ones whose leader died while buying plastic explosives to use against the US. . . To this day, the AIP believes he was murdered by the US government.
Why was her husband a member of this group advocating violence against the USA? Why did she praise their “good work”? Why do the members of the AIP believe that Palin is “infiltrating” government by pretending to be a Republican?
Why does she avoid answering these questions? I want to see YOU and her other supporters defend her association with these folks.
The truth is that we know MUCH more about Obama than about Palin. Or McCain. . . why did he permanently seal his POW records? Where are the propaganda videos he made for the Communists? Where are his psychological records?
And why is he such a pussy that he has a woman with terrorist ties herself attempt to smear Obama? Isn’t he man enough to confront Obama directly if he honestly believes that he “pals around” with terrorists?
57. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
coulterfan,
Both you and I know that I’m talking about William Ayers, the self-admitting, unrepentant, domestic terrorist. Nice try at defection, though.
“I’m not going to waste my time answering stupid questions from folks who think that Obama was born in Kenya and forged his birth certificate despite all evidence to the contrary.”
First, I don’t know where Sen Obama was born. He says Hawaii. Perhaps he was. Simple answer: provide your original birth certificate and end the controversy. (Personally, I think he was probably born in Hawaii, but why create the appearance of something to hide?)
Second, you don’t have to answer any of my questions. Sen Obama hasn’t answered them. His campaign hasn’t answered them. Yet Americans all across this great nation are waiting for answers. Except, of course, those of you who have been swimming in the Koolaid.
I suspect you cannot answer the questions or defend Sen Obama’s actions and lack of judgement and character because you do not know the true Barack Hussein Obama. You do not know his true background or beliefs. All you know is that he is “clean and articulate” and reads well off a teleprompter.
Either that, or you have completely bought into his Marxist/socialist/communist agenda.
If the former is the case, you need to search your soul (if you have one) and answer the questions. If it is the latter, you are hopeless.
58. js | October 8th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
both CO and cultfan are limp wristed…from what i understand…the obama motion to dismiss the case was denied on 2 oct…and he was told to produce his birth certificate by the court…which is what we are waiting on now..
if he does not produce a valid certificate…the court wil put an injunction against the obama campaign and the DNC barring obama from continuing his campaign for POTUS…
i really dont care what kind of lip service you two obamabot stooges want to play with…these facts can be verified by anyone on the internet…
59. js | October 8th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
now break out another scandal;
October 2, 2008 Obama’s poems show real talent level
September 25, 2008 More proof Ayers ghosted Obama’s “Dreams”
September 20, 2008 Did Bill Ayers write Obama’s “Dreams”? - Part 3: Why it Matters
September 19, 2008 Did Bill Ayers write Obama’s “Dreams”? - Part 2: Deconstructing the Text
September 18, 2008 Did Bill Ayers write Obama’s “Dreams”? - Part 1
http://cashill.com/articles_all/recent.htm
another concerted fraud upon the public trush by obama…claiming he wrote these two books when…in reality…an unrepentant terrorist wrote them….
the rabbit hole is deep!!!
60. kimberly4victory | October 8th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
But, but, but … Ayers is just guy in the neighborhood.
If Obots repeat that line enough, they will start believing it.
61. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
coulterfan,
Try to keep up. I addressed the Gov Palin-AIP smear back at 10:39.
Still waiting for your answers to my 14 questions.
You have already failed several times by changing the subject, deflection, or bring up either Sen McCain or Gov Palin.
Focus. Just answer the questions.
62. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
CanadianObserver,
“Uh, Uh, A-10, coulterfan didn’t lose, he just showed you how this type of game can work on both sides of the fence.”
Sorry, but until “coulterfan” makes even a half-hearted attempt to answer my questions, he’s a loser.
63. Some Assembly Required | October 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
“Try to keep up. I addressed the Gov Palin-AIP smear back at 10:39.”
Yes, to which I pointed out your double standard here
35. Some Assembly Required | October 8th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Then you came back with your desperation questions and
43. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Comparing Ayers to Osama but still Ignoring AIP. Covering your ears closing your eyes and saying THERE NOT THE SAME is not a legitmate re-buttal no matter how many times you call me ‘Ass…’ or CO and Coulter stupid.
Sorry A-10, Palin’s HUSBAND being a member of AIP cannot be showed under the rug as a non-issue if you hold Obama accountable for his association with Ayers. In fact doing so is only further proving our point of how it’s ridiculous in the first place.
64. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Some Assembly Required,
Like “coulterfan”, you refuse to answer my qustions, but throw up a strawman argument.
As for the Gov Palin-AIP, I will repeat, Gov Palin was NEVER a member of the AIP. Democrat operatives LIED when they said that she was. No one even has any record of her attending an AIP Convention. She did submit a welcoming video to the AIP convention in Fairbanks in 2008. That’s the extend of her “association” with the AIP. If that bothers you, fine.
As for Todd Palin, it is true that he WAS a member of the AIP. He quit the AIP in 2002. He is no longer a member. According to the AIP, Todd Palin “never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time.” So it certainly doesn’t look like he’s working to advance the AIP policies.
You can try to insinuate that GOV Palin and her husband embraces the AIP and their policies. However, the facts show that they do not.
Again, try answering the questions. Stop changing the subject. Stop deflecting. Stop bringing up Gov Palin and Sen McCain.
Once you try to defend Sen Obama’s values, judgement, and character, I’ll respond to your deflections. Until then, I’m putting you and “coulterfan” on ignore.
65. js | October 8th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
i didnt see anywhere that being a member of AIG was a crime…or even…anything like blowing things up…maybe if ayers had merely been involved in political activism and not terrorism…there might be a comparison…but face it…its a huge leap between the two…
and it is a straw man…factually…to change the subject by a few stooges for the obamasiah…
66. kimberly4victory | October 8th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Isn’t this hilarious, coulterfan???
On CNN’s pre-debate coverage last night, they announced they had selected 69 voters to respond to the debate: 38 democrats and 31 republicans.
After the debate and all day today, they have reported that 54% of their selected “debate watchers” would now vote for Obama.
Isn’t 54% of 69, 37…nearly the exact number of democrats in their original group?
Too funny.
67. Some Assembly Required | October 8th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
63. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
And Ayers is no longer a terrorist. So what’s your point?
Your excusing Palin and her husbands connection to AIP while blaming Obama for his connection with Ayers. Do you not see the double standard here?!?!?!
I will not answer your questions because the same could be asked about Palin’s assocation with AIP. Since you will not apply them to her I will not answer them about Obama. Simple as that. I do not hold or perpetuate double standards.
i didnt see anywhere that being a member of AIG was a crime
LMAO your right, theres nothing wrong with being an employee of a financial institution that just received a government bailout.
js, AIP preaches separatism from the US. They also had their own little terrorist debacle. You don’t see the difference because to you, your party can do know wrong. Your a sheep… baaaa
68. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Below are some words of wisdom from Dr. Thomas Sowell, a black conservative. For those of you on the left who do not know Dr Sowell, he is a former Marine, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University, received a Master’s in economics from Columbia University, and a doctorate in economics from the University of Chicago. He taught at Cornell University, Rutgers University, Amherst University, Brandeis University and UCLA.
“Does it matter if Barack Obama is for sex education in kindergarten? It matters more than most things that are called “the real issues.”
“Seemingly unrelated things can give important insights into someone’s outlook and character. For example, after the Cold War was over, it came out that one of the things that caught the attention of Soviet leaders early on was President Ronald Reagan’s breaking of the air traffic controllers’ strike.”
“Why were the Soviets concerned about a purely domestic American issue like an air traffic controllers’ strike? Why was their attention not confined to “the real issues” between the United States and the Soviet Union?”
“Because one of the biggest and realest of all issues is the outlook and character of the President of the United States.”
We on the right question Sen Obama’s character. As Dr. Sowell has pointed out, both our friends and enemies will look at the character of our President and judge his resolve on issues of global importance.
For all of President Bush’s faults, all but those with terminal BDS will agree that he has character and the strength of his convictions. Our friends know that we will stand with them through thick and thin. Our enemies know we will stand up to their aggression.
Back to Sen Obama: Our questions about Ayers, ACORN, Rev Wright, non-disclosure of his past, Tony Rezko, support for abridging 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, etc., all speak to his lack of judgement and character.
We on the right want to be sure that the man sitting behind the Resolute Deck in the Oval Office has the requisite character and judgement to be the leader of the Free World. On the surface (and probably under the thin veneer) Sen Obama does not exhibit the character and judgement necessary to be our President.
So far, none of the supporters of Sen Obama have been able to mount even the slightest defense of Sen Obama’s character and judgement.
As I said earlier, either you cannot answer the questions or defend Sen Obama’s actions and lack of judgement and character because you do not know the true Barack Hussein Obama,
or you have completely bought into his Marxist/socialist/communist agenda.
69. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Ass..,
I’ll turn off my ignore mode for a quick response.
“And Ayers is no longer a terrorist.”
Sorry, once you committed a terrorist act, you are always a terrorist. Just like once you commit a murder, you are always a murderer.
You can hold you hands over your eyes and plug your ears all you want. There is NO comparison between the 13 plus year alliance between Sen Obama and William Ayers and a passing association between Gov Palin, her husband and AIP.
Someone can change their political party affiliation, as Todd Palin has done. Todd Palin NEVER acted on any of the policies of the AIP.
One cannot change the fact that Ayers committed acts of terrorist against the United States, still espouses the same philosophy and claims he didn’t do enough. William Ayers acted on his beliefs. He admits he committed 30 bombings against the US. Let that sink in for a minute. HE ADMITS HE COMMITTED 30 BOMBINGS AGAINST THE US.
He’s a terrorist. His followers murdered police officers. His wife, and friend of Sen Obama, is also a terrorist. You cannot undo what they did.
To copy a phrase dear to the USMC (which I can do, since I am a former Marine) “Once a terrorist, always a terrorist.”
Ignore mode on.
70. blocksofgranite | October 8th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Armando Valladares is cheered by a sliver of America’s radical right that basically hates foreigners and immigrants. The same group of Republicans who would mock one of our nation’s highest military awards by handing out purple heart band-aids at their 2004 convention.
Let the slime flow from every rock and crevice the neocons hide under. This time around the electorate has a big mop to pick up such smear merchants as Palin.
71. blocksofgranite | October 8th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
I must also add what a weasle McCain is. He has Palin out there calling Obama a terrorist loving, un-American and un-Godly man. Yet when McCain had Obama right there in front of him, he did not open his mouth about Ayeres or any of the other Palin comments.
What a worm McCain is!! Shows his character is right up there with Richard Nixon’s. Palin should drop him from the ticket. He is letting Palin’s career out to dry. Her hate filled words for a potential future President will not be forgotten by over half the electorate should she have other ambitions
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72. js | October 8th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
66. Some Assembly Required
“And Ayers is no longer a terrorist. So what’s your point? ”
said who? if the idiot was involved in blowing up buildings…does he get to erase the fact because the FBI went to extreme measures to catch him or because he just wants to stay out of jail? BS SAR…every arguement you make is the same crap..half witted and lame…ayers made the bed he sleeps in..period…he IS the same person…the fact that he never spend time in jail does change that fact…and stop walking backwards…you didnt show one time that anything the AIP did broke any law in the USA…freekin idiots can handle the truth…your insinuation that its a crime for being in the AIP is nothing but pure ignorance….
oh…where have i run into that before mr tar and feathers…you really should extract your head out of your behind before you try to make a comeback moron…
73. js | October 8th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
hey nutsofsawdust…thats not granite you are speaking of…if the best that you have to offer is halfwitted moronic trash talk…maybe you should go back to moveon.org where they teach you a more concise meaning of stooge so you can compete with reality…
74. js | October 8th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
“I will not answer your questions because the same could be asked about Palin’s assocation with AIP. ”
you gotta monkey on your back SAR? like being totally ignorant isnt enought…that you can actually watch palins address as Governor of Alaska and see that she did not once promote independence for Alaska…oh…no…i guess thats beyond your ability isnt it…in order to do that you would actually have to think about it…that might hurt your hollow head…
do us a favor and moveon moron….
75. CanadianObserver | October 8th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
As for the Gov Palin-AIP, I will repeat, Gov Palin was NEVER a member of the AIP.
As for Todd Palin, it is true that he WAS a member of the AIP. According to the AIP, Todd Palin “never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time.” So it certainly doesn’t look like he’s working to advance the AIP policies.
63. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
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So now you understand, A-10.
It was Ayers who was the terrorist; Ayers who committed acts of violence. Obama did not.
Obama, like Todd Palin, did not participate in the illegal activities of the people and persons he was associated with.
Todd Palin should not be condemned by association, just as Obama should not. Agreed?
76. David B. Schmidt | October 8th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Actually, SAR and the Obama idiots should read the charter of AIF. Seperation was only one of four options; however, it seems to be the only one they know about. Steady diet of MSM and Kool-Aid, I reckon.
77. David B. Schmidt | October 8th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Oops, I meant AIP but nonetheless;
According to the Alaskan Independence Party’s web site:
“The Alaskan Independence Party’s goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1. Remain a Territory.
2. Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3. Accept Commonwealth status.
4. Become a State.
The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party’s founding father, Joe Vogler, that Alaskans achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, and promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.”[9]
Remaining a State has always been one of their positions but they (Alaskans) would like to decide for themselves.
78. Jeremiah | October 8th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
A very interesting story, Mark.
Coincedence and sort of synchronizes with my recent talks with a man from Cuba who also warns of the dangers of an Obama adminstration, because he knows first hand what it’s like to live under Communism.
If Obama gets it, you’ll see a drastic change in world governments.
Before I go, I wonder if there were any un-dislcosed talks in the Sept. 05 World Summit…I also wonder if Obama has any times to that…
79. Some Assembly Required | October 8th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
David,
Semantics, 3 out of 4 options on the vote would be to separate.
Source
You excuse this yet fault Obama?
80. A-10 | October 8th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
CanadianObserver,
“It was Ayers who was the terrorist; Ayers who committed acts of violence. Obama did not.”
Correct. And is was Sen Obama who was introduced to Chicago politics in Ayers’ livingroom. It was Sen Obama who was hired by Ayers to work at CAC. It was Sen Obama who sat next to Ayers on the CAC and Woods Fund boards. He did this in full knowledge of Ayers’ past, regardless of what his handlers are saying.
“Obama, like Todd Palin, did not participate in the illegal activities of the people and persons he was associated with.”
Only Todd Palin was not “associated” with the AIP. He registered as a party member and records show he attended one party function. He had NO other contact with the AIP. Sen Obama worked hand-in-hand with Ayers bringing a radical agenda to Chicago’s schools.
“Todd Palin should not be condemned by association, just as Obama should not. Agreed?”
No. I disagree. A single attendance at one meeting does not constitute “association.” Working with an unrepentant domestic terrorist for 13 years goes beyond “association.” It is an affiliation. They shared like policies and goals while serving together.
It appears that neither you, “coulterfan”, “Some Assembly Required”, or any other Obamamanic can defend Sen Obama’s lack of character and poor judgement. Speaks volumes about you and your candidate.
Not to add fuel to the fire, here’s a couple more:
16. Defend Sen Obama’s admitted history of drug abuse. Why doesn’t being on the verge of being a “pothead” and “junkie” (Sen Obama’s own words, not mine) reflect negatively on his judgement and character?
17. Defend Sen Obama’s inconsistent stance on energy policy.
18. Defend Sen Obama’s comment that American troops are “bombing villages and killing civilians.”
81. js | October 8th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
it really doesnt matter if ayers did all the terrible deeds CO…but it does matter that obama is tied into him pretty deep…morality…honesty…truth…justice…these are words that have meaning…things that dont change…nobody needs to change those things…ayers committed crimes…against innocent human beings…for political reasons…in this nature..he is no better than arafart was…a terrorist…in thought and deed…unrepentant and unpunished…just because he hides behind the skirt of a different cause does not change the man…he is not material to shape the presidency…he is not material to emulate in any way, shape or form…he is the proverbial criminal that got away with horrible crimes…just because the law didnt get him…doesnt mean he didnt do what he did…or that he isnt a criminal…
82. phnx | October 9th, 2008 at 10:22 am
His terrorist past is troubling, but more troubling is the radical agenda that he has for our school system, and that Obama supports it.
in 2006, atHugo Chavez’s “World Education Forum”, Ayers was quoted as saying:
“President Hugo Chavez, Vice-President Vicente Rangel, Ministers Moncada and Isturiz, invited guests, comrades. I’m honored and humbled to be here with you this morning.
We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I’ve come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggle—I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.”
http://perfunction.typepad.com/perfunction/2008/04/bill-ayers-in-c.html
83. Faceplant | October 9th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
“Correct. And is was Sen Obama who was introduced to Chicago politics in Ayers’ livingroom.”
At an event that wasn’t organized by Ayers or Obama. McCain accepted vacations in the Bahamas paid for entirely by Charles Keating, so by your standards, John McCain must support fraud and racketeering.
“It was Sen Obama who was hired by Ayers to work at CAC.”
Obama was not hired by Ayers. This complete myth has been debunked by real journalists (ie. not Hannity, or Stanley Kurtz).
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ayers.html?_r=2&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
“In fact, according to several people involved, Mr. Ayers played no role in Mr. Obama’s appointment. Instead, it was suggested by Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation, a Chicago-based group whose board Mr. Obama, a young lawyer, had joined the previous year. At a lunch with two other foundation heads, Patricia A. Graham of the Spencer Foundation and Adele Simmons of the MacArthur Foundation, Ms. Leff suggested that Mr. Obama would make a good board chairman, she said in an interview. Mr. Ayers was not present and had not suggested Mr. Obama, she said.”
“It was Sen Obama who sat next to Ayers on the CAC and Woods Fund boards.”
The Woods Fund met a total of 12 times. The CAC board met just six times.
So your evidence that they somehow shared some deep friendship is that they met around a total of maybe 20 times, and only once or twice was that ourside of their official jobs.
I work with a man who was arrested for vehicular asualt after he nearly killed a woman racing his car, after drinking.
Does that make me pro drunk driving?
“Only Todd Palin was not “associated” with the AIP.”
Registering as a member of a political party doesn’ t mean you are associated with it?
Here is a question. Why would Todd Palin register as a member of a political party that advocates Alaska’s seccesion from the union?
I’d LOVE to hear your answer for that. Or here’s a better one. Why would Sarah Palin give an address at the convention of that same successionist party?
“Working with an unrepentant domestic terrorist for 13 years goes beyond “association.” It is an affiliation.”
They met less than 20 times over 13 years. If that constitutes an affiliation I’m BFF’s with the guy that does my taxes!
“They shared like policies and goals while serving together.”
Which would be?
“Defend Sen Obama’s admitted history of drug abuse. Why doesn’t being on the verge of being a “pothead” and “junkie” (Sen Obama’s own words, not mine) reflect negatively on his judgement and character?”
Defend George Bush’s. See this game is easy!
“Defend Sen Obama’s inconsistent stance on energy policy.”
Defend John McCain’s inconsistent stance on… well… everything.
“Defend Sen Obama’s comment that American troops are “bombing villages and killing civilians.”
Uh, prove to me that it isn’t true. Obama never said the US was targetting villages. But when you are at war, villages ARE bombed, and civilians ARE killed. Whether you do it on purpose or not really doesn’t matter to the dead and their families does it?
84. A-10 | October 10th, 2008 at 9:38 am
phnx,
You’re right. But the leftists who comment here don’t care. They want Socialism. They want government control of our lives. They don’t care that their candidate is the most liberal member of the Senate, in fact, they applaud it. They don’t care the their candidate has no executive experience, has no legislative record, has forged very questionable alliances with terrorists, racists, and criminals. He’s a Democrat, so he can do no wrong.
85. Sarah Bloch | October 11th, 2008 at 5:48 am
js | October 8th, 2008 at 7:30 am
Really js get a new talking point that one has been cast off even by the most die hard reactionaries. get in step boy! It’s ACORN and Ayers now!
How fitting that a bomb setter for Batista like Valladares would come out against Barack Obama. Valladares was charged with terrorism in Cuba folks. The Reaganite media called it a shame but his cover ID was brought forth as evidence. COINTELPRO, anyone? But like evrything else when your side does it it’s okay right Mark? Please! How deep is the right wing’s well of desperation?
86. js | October 11th, 2008 at 8:26 am
really…you are too funny…castro killed lots of people for opposing his rule…just say “i dont like fidel castro and wish somebody else was president” and you can go to jail…and in your ignorance sarah blowhard…you expose your lack of understanding what real life situations are and what real and honest and good people do when they have to…
and in reality…for 23 years he spent in jail..not for setting bombs..that was a creation of fidel catro’s stooges…certainly…he was not tried for it…nor ever convicted of it…because move of batista’s footmen were sumarilly executed…when castro took power…after batista fell…is when people filled the jails…they would take our more and more of batista’s administration and shoot them to make room in prisons to put dissidents against castro in the prison system…that is a crime? to oppose castro is equal to blowing up the white house…police stations…killing cops?
you are a half wit sarah blowhard…a member of the liberal schizophrenic obamasiah club…
congratulations sucker….
87. js | October 11th, 2008 at 8:28 am
“The claim by the Cuban government that Valladares was a Batista police officer was undermined when the Cuban government publicized a false identity card purporting to be that of Valladares. The card contained demonstrably false information including height, weight, date of birth, and blood type.”
next time sarah blowhard…check wikipedia…stupid gurl…
88. Sarah Bloch | October 11th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Deleted - terrorist apologist; comment to be banned.