The Meaning of Voter Fraud in 2008
October 9th, 2008 at 09:08am Mark Noonan
We start with yet another story of ACORN’s conspiracy to defraud the American electorate:
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Officials in Missouri, a hard-fought jewel in the presidential race, are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states.
Charlene Davis, co-director of the election board in Jackson County, where Kansas City is, said the fraudulent registration forms came from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. She said they were bogging down work Wednesday, the final day Missourians could register to vote.
“I don’t even know the entire scope of it because registrations are coming in so heavy,” Davis said. “We have identified about 100 duplicates, and probably 280 addresses that don’t exist, people who have driver’s license numbers that won’t verify or Social Security numbers that won’t verify. Some have no address at all.”
The nonpartisan group works to recruit low-income voters, who tend to lean Democratic. Most polls show Republican presidential candidate John McCain with an edge in bellwether Missouri, but Democrat Barack Obama continues to put up a strong fight.
To Matt and I, this is entirely unsurprising - as it is to anyone who has read Caucus of Corruption. I begin to be really disappointed that the book didn’t do better - and not at all because a better selling book would have accrued to my financial advantage. I’m disappointed because it means the word didn’t get out as much as it should have. I know our leftwing friends think the book was nothing but a hatchet job on Democratic politicians, but the truth of the matter is that all we were doing is telling the untold story of corruption in politics - the Democratic part of the story. We didn’t ignore the stories of GOP corruption, but we wrote the book because we felt - correctly - that the MSM wasn’t giving the American people the full story and that American politics would never be cleaned up until both sides were held accountable. It is very, very important that everyone understand that all the 2008 stories about ACORN are nothing new. This is what ACORN and other leftist groups do - or did you think that there really was a widespread desire to see the far left agenda of ACORN put into law? ACORN has put in fraudulent registrations in 2008, in 2006, in 2004, in 2002, in 2000 and, I’ll bet, in each election year ACORN has been in existence - and ACORN is just one of the leftist groups who stuff the ballot boxes for the Democratic party (as an aside, in the MSM story ACORN is called “nonpartisan”, which makes this entry “What Media Bias? Part 132″).
Hopefully these stories and law enforcement actions have started us on the path to holding the left side responsible for their actions - if we can get some of these fraudsters to spend a long time inside a jail cell - and pass laws requiring a picture ID to vote - then we’ll go a long way towards ending the long-standing Democratic practice of manufacturing the votes necessary for victory in a close race. But in the context of 2008, just what does it all mean? In my view, it means that Obama’s supposed grass roots support is non-existent - if Reagan was the “teflon President”, Obama is the “astroturf candidate”.
Coupling the stories of massive fraud in voter registration and the prospect that nearly 50% of Obama’s fundraising may have been fraudulent, we can start to see that the narrative of Obama - the man who is inspiring a nation for hope and change and who is being propelled to the top on a wave of popular support for this candidate - is built upon falsehood. It also indicates that, just perhaps, the demographic make up of the polling this year has been off. Remember an important point - the television camera is the great deceiver of our times…just because you see tens of thousands of screaming Obama fans on television doesn’t necessarily mean that Obama is ragingly popular throughout the United States. He may be, but rally attendance, in and of itself, doesn’t tell us if he is. Looking beyond the camera, we can see a very large amount of bogus donors (thus undercutting Obama’s story of an energized, pro-Obama electorate), and we can see very large numbers of bogus new Democratic registrations (thus undercutting the Democrats’ story of a populace shifting Democrat in preparation for a massive Democratic sweep in November). There might, in the end, be nothing there for Obama and his Democrats…and thus we can now see such things as Obama dispatching legions of lawyers to Florida and beefing up GOTV efforts in Michigan as indicators that Team Obama also knows that things aren’t entirely rosy and thus they are preparing for a knock-down, drag-out on election day with the result boiling down to relative handfulls of votes in a few States.
If Obama wins, all of this voter and donor fraud will be shoved down the leftwing Memory Hole and we’ll continue on with corrupt business as usual. If McCain wins, we might have a chance to really attack the problem of corruption - but, in the end, it is up to we, the people to set things right. If we don’t punish elected officials in the worst way possible - ie, deny them office - then they’ll never get the message we are serious about having clean elections and politicians who put country first. In 2008, the corruption in politics might mean that we’re actually pulling the mask off the left and setting the stage for massive reform of how our government operations - but it will only mean this if we turn back to the Obama tide, a task made harder by the fact that Team Obama will cheat as much as they can. But it can be done, it must be done and, God willing, it will be done.
Entry Filed under: Campaign 2008, Corruption, Democrats, Republicans
108 Comments
1. hermie | October 9th, 2008 at 9:32 am
The MSM has put on its blinders because ACORN is attempting to get rid of Republicans…But what will happen when office holders the MSM likes and respects get kicked out of office because ACORN wants someone else in their place?
If you have a decent US Congressman, State Representative, Governor, Mayor, etc, and ACORN voter fraud removes them in favor of their candidates, this destroys the electoral process.
It disenfranchises EVERYONE.
2. Retired Spook | October 9th, 2008 at 9:39 am
There is an old saying, often attributed to Joe Stalin:
The Dems, finding that it’s getting harder and harder to “stuff the ballot box”, are simply ramping up the cheating on the other end of the equation through subsidiaries like ACORN: registering people multiple times, registering dead people, nonexistent people, felons, illegals, etc. I’m not sure how you combat that kind of election fraud other than to challenge it whenever and wherever it becomes evident. And, while I’m not saying the GOP doesn’t engage in it, I’ve not seen any significant evidence in recent years that it’s not a primarily Democrat phenomenon.
3. William Teach | October 9th, 2008 at 9:43 am
If McCain wins, those on the left will be screaming about the GOP cheating, all evidence to the contrary.
If Barry wins, you won’t hear a peep from the usual suspects on the left, such as the Brad Blog, about fraud.
4. phnx | October 9th, 2008 at 10:06 am
The amazing thing about this is that ACORN is supported by tax dollars.
5. Retired Spook | October 9th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Come on, why don’t some of you brain-dead Dems explain how it is that you get off on belonging to the party of cheaters. Does it give you some sort of warped, smug feeling of satisfaction that the only way you can win the big ones is to cheat? How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot? If there were a Republican counterpart to ACORN, would that be OK? How about if Republican operatives cruised through areas frequented by homeless people and offered them cigarettes, booze, dope and money to register or vote — would that be OK? How about if the GOP starts registration drives in cemeteries — in prisons? You know, I just can’t remember EVER hearing a story about dead Republicans voting. I can’t EVER remember hearing a story about a carton of uncounted paper ballots found in a warehouse (chain of custody anyone?) a week after an election that tipped the election to the Democrat candidate on the third recount.
6. Damnright | October 9th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Why is ACORN not being prosicuted for these crimes? Everybody knows they are doing it and yet nothing happens?
7. Silverlake | October 9th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Sucks to be a con losing in the polls. Conservatives are now reduced having Palin go out and race bait her crowds into a “kill him” frenzy and accuse a Presidential candidate selected by a major party as un-American and a friend of terrorist.
But be of good cheer cons. In the end the Supreme Court could come through like they did in Florida in 2000 and Diebold could come through in Ohio like they did in 2006
8. Silverlake | October 9th, 2008 at 10:39 am
oops 2004
9. Some Assembly Required | October 9th, 2008 at 10:45 am
7. Silverlake | October 9th, 2008 at 10:38 am
It is a possibility, but if the polls continue the way they are which show Obama more the a couple points over the +/- and he loses the election all hell will break lose.
10. Zach | October 9th, 2008 at 10:52 am
SAR,
I believe that all Hell is gonna break loose in one way or another no matter who wins the election this year.
You might really like Obama, and thats quite fine. But from my side of the aisle he has generated more hatred and division in such a small amount of time than any other politician that I can think of right now.
11. TalkingPoint | October 9th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Deleted - off topic.
12. Retired Spook | October 9th, 2008 at 10:59 am
but if the polls continue the way they are which show Obama more the a couple points over the +/- and he loses the election all hell will break lose.
SAR, could you elaborate on that a bit? We all know that Democrats are losers — are you saying that they’re sore losers. Where will “all hell break loose”, and who will be the ones “breaking it lose”? You Libs are certainly entertaining if nothing else.
Sucks to be a con losing in the polls.
No, Silverlake, it sucks to belong to the Democrat Party, the party of lying, scumbag cheaters. I’d rather lose a contest (any contest, not just politics) than win by cheating. Just remember, what goes around, comes around.
13. phnx | October 9th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Its very enlightening to see that not one leftist has come forward to condemn the multi-state vote registration fraud of ACORN.
…the ends justify the means…right comrades?
14. Some Assembly Required | October 9th, 2008 at 11:38 am
RS,
What I meant is, if, say for example, Obama reaches 58% + in the polls before the election and the exit polls also reflect this but he still loses all hell will break lose. a 4 point difference could not be explained away by ‘the bradley effect’. After the scandals revolving around the last 2 elections and the state at which America is in, it would be nothing short of a crippling blow to America.
Spook, you of all people should know this where you raise the alarm for civil war on various occasions. Funny thing with this war though, I have a feeling it’d be the religious right against the rest of America.
15. neocon | October 9th, 2008 at 11:46 am
SAR,
Kerry led in the polls in 2004 right up until election day and then lost by more than 3.5 million popular votes, and hell did not break loose. Why?
Considering that the current polls are mostly within the margin of error, why are you suggesting that a McCain victory could only be achieved through cheating or fraud?
16. David B. Schmidt | October 9th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Being basically a Libertarian with a conservative bent–I find it strange that I am fully behind a “free” Voter/Employment ID that includes a photograph and bio-metrics.
Don’t have it - no vote & no job. Free is in quotes because I realize that free means on the backs of the honest taxpayers.
17. Some Assembly Required | October 9th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Neo,
There was also a discrepancy in the exit polls and results in 2004 as well with no Bradley affect to blame, but I digress.
There you go again putting words into my mouth. I guess it’s to much to expect you to show even the tiniest fraction of intelligence when reading what is written. Also, Obama currently has a 6 - 8 point lead in the polls. Say a margin of error of 3 points on average. thats 4 - 6 points to blame on the Bradley affect as it stands right now.
Ps, I’d say the same if McCain was ahead but facts being facts Obama is ahead and expanding his lead daily. Do you not notice the desperation here on this blog?
18. searp | October 9th, 2008 at 11:55 am
No, Silverlake, it sucks to belong to the Democrat Party, the party of lying, scumbag cheaters. I’d rather lose a contest (any contest, not just politics) than win by cheating. Just remember, what goes around, comes around.
You all are just rabid.
There are hundreds of millions of your fellow citizens who simply disagree with you and you cannot handle it. Hundreds of millions of people must be lying scumbug cheaters.
Soldiers serving their country, citizens going about their business, doctors, lawyers, teachers, ministers, priests and rabbis. All lying scumbag cheaters because they disagree with you.
What does that say about your ability to actually engage in normal debate?
This blog is a waste of bits.
19. neocon | October 9th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
SAR,
I don’t see any desperation. Whoever the President is effects liberals far more than it effects conservatives, because liberals rely on government far more than conservatives do.
I will be just fine if Obama is elected, of course I will protect my money more, which is something liberals don’t understand. Obama can raise taxes all he wants on the rich, that just means the rich will find ways around not paying those taxes, as they are already the main contributors. I don’t know why liberals can’t wrap their mind around that.
If McCain wins, promise me you wont riot.
20. Danish Artist | October 9th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Try this one on for size … there are 644,197 eligible voters in Indianapolis and 677,401 people registered to vote.
Read that again.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/more_voter_registration_shenanigans_indianapolis_has_105_of_its_population/
Now, the county Democrat Party chairman says that the Barack Obama campaign brought in 12,000 new registered voted just over the weekend … ya don’t say?
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081007/NEWS0502/810070368/1304/LOCAL
21. Winner | October 9th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
BullSh*t, Bush led from mid-september until election day. Only a small number of individual polls ever showed Kerry with a lead in October or later.
Neocon, once again, is lying horribly.
Here are the facts:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_hth.html
Statistical data, especially when taken from multiple sources such as fivethirtyeight.com or realclearpolitics.com do, is quite accurate and this year Obama has a bigger lead than Bush had at this time.
InTrade (and other market sites), as Noonan pointed out recently, is quite accurate as well and has broken hard toward Obama over the last few weeks.
Sorry, but this election is over. Obama wins easy.
22. Sunny | October 9th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Voter fraud is dispicable and I would believe that all Americans find it so. However, it is not a one party problem. Both parties have engaged in voter fraud. We need a better system of identifying elgible voters, making sure that everyone who is elgible to vote can do so without standing in line for hours or being turned away because the voting machines are not working properly or too few ballots. Until both parties decide that honest elections are the only way to elect our officials there will always be someone out there trying to circumvent the system.
I was reading a blog just a couple of days ago and someone posted that a new ruling had just been announced that because of the huge anticipated turnout this election, all Republicans were to vote on November 4th and all Democrats were to vote on November 5th. Now, most of us are intelligent enough to know that is totally false - there is only one day to vote for the presidential election. But if that kind of imformation was provided to the elederly or someone new to the system they might believe it.
This situation is just like so many others - always blame the other side. I find ACORN a rather disgusting organization but there are those on the conservative side who will stoop to these levels as well, maybe just not in the same manner. If you research “voter fraud” you will find that both sides have done some pretty disgusting things in the name of free democratic elections.
23. hermie | October 9th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Then why do liberals try to prevent states from enacting voter id laws?
24. Retired Spook | October 9th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Funny thing with this war though, I have a feeling it’d be the religious right against the rest of America.
SAR, if Obama goes into election day up 4 or 5 points in the polls and loses, why in the world would the religious right launch a war against the rest of the country? They’ll be too busy celebrating to start a war. That makes less sense than anything you’ve ever said here.
You all are just rabid. There are hundreds of millions of your fellow citizens who simply disagree with you and you cannot handle it. Hundreds of millions of people must be lying scumbug cheaters. (emphasis added)
Well, searp, you said it, I didn’t. But, no, I dont believe all Democrats are lying, scumbag cheaters. Most of them are just brain-dead lemmings like you who seem to be (for God knows what reason) attracted to following leaders who are a bunch of lying, scumbag cheaters.
25. Sunny | October 9th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Spook, why the name calling? What purpose does it serve? People can disagree without the necessity of going to that level. You obviously are an intelligent man and I normally do not see you do the name calling. If you want me or anyone else to see your point of view in a reasonable way, speak to me in a reasonable way with some respect. You might just change my mind on an issue if you were to do so.
26. Some Assembly Required | October 9th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
RS,
My point was that if Obama was up 4 points over the margin of error it would mean there was definite voter fraud. The majority of the country are level headed people who would see it for what it was and be outraged and call for justice. It would only be the religious right that would claim that it was a just election and anyone who says differently is anti-American. This is why I state it would be the religious right vs the rest of America. I have faith that 80% of Americans respect, obey and live by the constitution more then God.
Just to set the record straight, if the roles were reversed and McCain had the same kind of lead that Obama is amassing I would be saying the exact same thing. This is not about party, it’s about who was rightfully elected by the people.
27. Silverlake | October 9th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Then why do liberals try to prevent states from enacting voter id laws?22. hermie | October 9th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
It is a scary road to go down. It is un-American. Because it is one step closer to a national ID. An ID that can have the great benefit of identify those that are eligible to vote, but also can be use as the Nazis did in the 1930s to separate the wheat from the chaff.
28. Ricorun | October 9th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
I agree with Sunny, first when he says that voter fraud is despicable and everyone should consider it so. And second, that it is not a one party problem, even though different parties tend to favor different tactics. The Democrat’s favorite tactic is to try to go out and try to register everyone they can and leave it up to the registrar to sort out the legitimate from the illegitimate. The problem is compounded when organizations such as ACORN use a quota requirement to retain the people they hire in the field. As a result their field workers, who are basically minimum wage to start with, are motivated to simply go through the phone book (or the obituaries) and make stuff up rather than sit out in the hot sun and actually do the work. Quotas should be illegal, period. That one thing wouldn’t solve the problem, but it would likely mitigate it.
The Republicans’ favorite tactic is to try to prevent likely Democratic voters from voting. It is usually Republicans who are accused of voter caging, phone jamming, misinformation campaigns of the sort Sunny mentioned, or arranging for too few voting machines or ballots in urban districts so potential voters have to spend hours in line to vote. Those tactics are also despicable.
Another angle is that which Spook alluded to: ‘It’s Not the People Who Vote that Count; It’s the People Who Count the Votes’ In the age of computerized, paperless voting machines that is arguably the most serious concern of all. So far the Republicans have been implicated in most of the allegations of that sort, but with one very notable exception: during the NY primary this year multiple districts, including at least one in the middle of Harlem, didn’t record even a single vote for Obama. In that case it was almost certainly a glitch, because it was so freakin’ obvious. Conspirators would be more subtle (at least you would assume so). Either way, it doesn’t give you a warm, comfy feeling with regard to the election process, that’s for sure.
29. Silverlake | October 9th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Why is ACORN not being prosicuted for these crimes? Everybody knows they are doing it and yet nothing happens?6. Damnright | October 9th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Why don’t you ask George Bush and his hand picked Justice Department? Maybe a good Bushie does not make for a good McCainie
30. js | October 9th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
so why is acorn doing the same thing they did last election…when they found out last election that doing what they are doing resulted in massive voter fraud….
no excuse…the intent to continue on as usual…knowing that the results are going to be the same…makes everyone involved from the top to the bottom complicit in the criminal act…to wit; registration fraud…
these are the people that obamasiah gave 800k…and even though he knew they had been, and currently are…under investigation for registration fraud…he still endorses them….
currently there is a congressional committee investigating these things…lead by members of the DNC…needless to say…it wont get anywhere…it wont stop anything…no cease and desist orders have been issued…nor injunctions to anyone…in light of facts they have proving beyond any doubt that the same fraudsters that did this in the 04 elections are doing it again, today, as we speak…
this is essentially the biggest assault against our constitution that we have witnessed in our lifetime…the undermining of the democratic process designed to give power to a political party…its not better than the last Russian election…or the last chinese election…where state sanctioned manipulation and oppression guaranteed the people would vote for the corrupt party…
this is called liberal politics? i thought it was called immoral and evil….
31. Damnright | October 9th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
“My point was that if Obama was up 4 points over the margin of error it would mean there was definite voter fraud.”
Or it could just mean the polls were wrong.
32. js | October 9th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
the silent voice of the majority normally isnt heard until the end of the election has past..
then its loud and clear…
i get to wonder sometimes exactly how they could miss so many people…unless they actually intended it to be so…
33. js | October 9th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
whats this about 5 million fraudulent mortgages held by illegal immigrants?
can we say…thanks DNC…but we dont need you guys any more…
34. Fool Disclosure | October 9th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard pundits in the media dismiss concerns about voter fraud, technological or otherwise, as leftist conspiracy theory. This blog is rather late to the discussion.
35. William Teach | October 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
ooooh, the scary Nazi reference. Or, we could just look at the reality of the situation, that requiring ID would cut down on voter fraud, which comes considerably more from the dem side then the GOP side. And, that a good number of Dem voters are bums and illegals who do not have IDs. Dead people have trouble showing ID, too, as do pets.
36. zzzzz.... | October 9th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Couple of things RE this ACORN thing - which I’ll admit, I’m a bit confounded by.
Its my understanding that ACORN is simply turning these forms in to the state’s secretary of state. The fact is, ACORN is not the one that is actually registering these people, it’s the government.
If the hourly employees hired by ACORN are trying to bilk ACORN out of their wages, whether it be by being stupid enough to register Donald Duck, or by copying names out of a phone book just to make it look like they were doing their job - then they deserve the punishments they receive.
Voter registration fraud is serious, but by and large the only persons who benefit from it are (a) an employee who’s faking names to defraud their employer (which is why ACORN has turned alot of these employees in), and (b) the various blowhards who want to play the politics of distraction by conflating voter registration fraud (a crime, mind you and it messes up the voter files, but there’s virtually no evidence these imaginary people actually then vote in November) and actual voter fraud (say, voting the cemeteries or stuffing the ballot boxes).
thoughts?
37. js | October 9th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
thats pretty shallow zzzzzzz…most criminal conspiracies feed on simple minded people like you…
acorn knows that the business model they employ promotes and exploits low income/unemployed/ex-con’s who need money to propogate electorate fraud….its not like they just fell off the boat…its been going on for years….
but nice try…almost (NOT)
38. kimberly4victory | October 9th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
8,500 Dead People registered to Vote in Connecticut
An in-depth look at voter rolls across the state by a group of University of Connecticut journalism students earlier this year found that about 8,500 dead people were registered to vote, and that clerical errors made it appear that 300 of them actually had voted.
A closer look by state election officials thus far has found no evidence of election fraud, though the review is ongoing. The students’ effort focused attention on weaknesses in public record-keeping at the local level that allowed thousands of mistakes to go undetected.
After the report appeared in The Courant in April, Secretary of the State Susan Bysiewicz started an investigation to determine if local officials were taking all appropriate measures to ensure the accuracy of voter lists.
Six months into the review, and less than a month from a presidential election, Bysiewicz said her office has been — and still is — working with local officials to make sure that the names of the deceased are removed from voter rolls.
The review won’t be finished before the Nov. 4 election, she said.
“While we want to remove dead people from the rolls, we don’t want to be overzealous and disenfranchise people,” Bysiewicz said Friday.
Disenfranchise who? Dead people?!?!?!
39. Silverlake | October 9th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
34. William Teach | October 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
We could probably compromise on this drivers license only is the ID of choice. Put system in place for those that do not have drivers license; mainly elderly and many city dwellers. Not sure how this would be put in place to make sure there are no issues. It could be a free driver’s license with no driver privileges. In return all electronic voting machines must have a paper backup. Don’t care about the cost. What I do care about is Republican’s know efforts to cheat in this area.
40. kimberly4victory | October 9th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Here you go …
In it, the D-USA gentleman is asked what he is writing on said forms and he states he is filling in his Canvass ID and location, but the video clearly shows him writing on the actual form, which he has absolutely no business or authority to be doing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NggRxnyNo9c
41. js | October 9th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
actually folks, we need to start confirming citizenship for registration…seriously…a good example of that can be demonstrated in the mortgage crisis…where 5 million fraudulent mortgages were issued to illegal immigrants that were supposed to be US Citizens…
drivers license is not a certification of citizenship…only of an address…and unless we do certify citizenship…there will be millions of votes illegally cast…and a bogus election…a direct attack on the constitution you could say…where millions of illegal votes are cast for POTUS…
its not an option…if we are going to enforce and follow the constitution…we have no choice…
42. bongoman | October 9th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Meanwhile…
43. William Teach | October 9th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
OK, I’ll compromise on the ID’s with you, Silverlake. Consider, though, that most people have them, even if just a State issued ID. We could couple this with some sort of PIN from the County elections boards.
We can do paper backups.
Problem solved.
PS: I still think it is mostly Dem fraud. :)
44. kimberly4victory | October 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
From bongo’s link:
“The actions do not seem to be coordinated by one party or the other, nor do they appear to be the result of election officials intentionally breaking rules, but are apparently the result of mistakes in the handling of the registrations and voter files as the states tried to comply with a 2002 federal law, intended to overhaul the way elections are run.”
This doesn’t even compare to the number of votes two Democrat run organizations - ACORN and Democratia USA - are stealing.
Every American, no matter the party, should be outraged.
45. navydad | October 9th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
OT, but notice anything weird about this CNN list??
From today’s CNN story list.
CNNMoney: Treasury may buy stakes in banks
Obama could steal Virginia from GOP
iReporters learning to live with less
Banks scolded for evicting ‘innocent’ renters
Boy, 12, gunned down doing homework
Will McCain really cut CEO’s taxes?
AC360°: Why Palin’s biggest fans can relate
Ticker: Obama gets personal on McCain
Obama slams McCain for ‘erratic’ leadership
2 Americans held in Syria released
U.S. air-traffic network outdated, costly
Libya gives U.S. money for terror victims
Maverick family disowns John McCain
WKMG: Leaping dolphin knocks woman out
WMBF: South Carolina town selling $2 gas
Brinkley’s ex tells why he slept with teen
Palin on SNL? ‘All in good time’ producer says
7-foot snake found under hood of car
CNN announces Top 10 Heroes | Vote now
CNN Wire: Power-sharing talks break down… Most Popular »
10 most popular stories on CNN.com updated every 20 minutes.
Any lib want to claim the media isn’t in the tank for Obama…hmmm??
46. Fool Disclosure | October 9th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
According to the more educated and doctrinaire members of the Left (which I am not qualified to be a member) media bias is generally a Corporate bias. Corporate bias crosses party lines on a routine basis.
So, if the media is in the tank for Obama, that means that Wall Street is in the tank for Obama. Some ranting Communists and free-market haters might have a problem with this. We’ll be hearing from them in posts following, no doubt.
47. majoriot | October 9th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Obama’s campaign is not built on falsehood, but merely the truth. The truth that the people have turned away from your agenda and your Presidential canditates lack of…anything resembling Presidential.
48. Retired Spook | October 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
If you want me or anyone else to see your point of view in a reasonable way, speak to me in a reasonable way with some respect. You might just change my mind on an issue if you were to do so.
I didn’t have time to respond to this earlier, Sunny, but I’ve been thinking about it all afternoon. You’re right; I’m a little riled up this afternoon, and I’m sorry that you were offended by my comments. OTOH, it’s not my job to convince you to vote one way or the other. You should vote for whomever you think is going to lead the country in the right direction, and then be prepared to live with the consequences if your candidate wins.
49. Ricorun | October 9th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Speaking of Caucus of Corruption, what happened to noagenda.org?
50. BARRASSO | October 9th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
So McCain is dying quickly in the election, is this all so you have something to complain about for the next eight years? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! The ACORNs took my presidency!!
51. William Teach | October 9th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Libs are such freakin’ adults, eh? They have whined for 8 years about stolen elections, never able to move on, and, when anyone tries to do anything about fixing the system, and points out actual fraud, they end up as 8 year olds, as shown by Barraso
52. neocon | October 9th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Evidently BARRASSO doesn’t care about voter fraud.
Good to know. And as Teach rightly pointed out, I am sure BARRASSO was one of those complaining about the “selection” of Bush.
The hypocrisy is mind numbing.
I think Dick Morris may be right, Obama is peaking too early and the momentum will have one more shift before Nov. 4.
53. BARRASSO | October 9th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Yes I can remember all the complaints coming from this blog about Diebold voting errors, and easily hacked elections.
“If McCain wins, we might have a chance to really attack the problem of corruption - but, in the end, it is up to we, the people to set things right.”
I also remember for the last eight years we had the most corrupt government in US history and how hard you all fought to bring it into line.
The bullsh*t around here is deep today.
54. Rob | October 9th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Republicans: prepare for a major ass-kicking. Bend over boys, there isn’t a thing you can do about it. McCain is finished. You might as well start learning how to pronounce “President Obama.” If you don’t support him, you are not patriotic and should be deported. (Sorry to steal that one from you guys, but you’ve had a lot of practice with it the past eight years.)
55. Casper | October 9th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
I would agree with Rico and others that vote fraud shouldn’t be tolerated from either side. I know I would be very upsett if I or were not allowed to vote. I would also be upset if a candidate that I supported lost because the other guy picked up some votes from the grave yard.
That said, Let me ask those on both sides how you would feel about the following scenario. Let’s say, that there is evidence that as many as a fourth of 1000 voters from an area might be fraudulent. Do you throw out all of the votes, thus disenfrtanchising hundreds of legal voters, or do you allow the votes,, understanding that some might be tainted?
56. neocon | October 9th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
BARE ASS,
You assert that this admin is the most corrupt in US History. Do you have any proof to back that up, or are you just grabbing that one out of your ass? As you do most of your comments.
And since your such a stickler for ethics, tell me your opinions on the children of Pelosi and Reid, the mortgages of Dodd, and the sex partners of Frank.
I am very interested to know.
57. neocon | October 9th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Hey Casper and Bare Ass,
Did you know that you two are the “instruments that God is going to use to elect Obama the Messiah”
Farrakhan said that today.
LMAO. You people are dangerously unbalanced.
58. js | October 9th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
dont feed the trolls….
59. neocon | October 9th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
They’re so fun to toy with though.
60. William Teach | October 9th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Casper, it is an easy answer: throw out the fraudulent votes. Problem solved.
And easier answer is, require ID. Not perfect, but, it certainly will reduce the number of sockpuppet Democrat voters.
61. Kahn | October 9th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
If the ONE is all knowing and all loved, why do his diciples feel the need to cheat to get him elected?
Please Obamanicas, meditate on the lesson.
UUUmmmmmmmmmmm I’m gonna raise taxes.
UUUmmmmmmmmmmm I’m gonna outlaw some guns and tax the rest. Bullets too.
UUUmmmmmmmmmmm I’m gonna solve the finance crisis by imposing a massive socilaist health plan and increasing money we give away overseas.
UUUmmmmmmmmmmm Did I just say that crap out loud?
62. nemesis | October 9th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
I venture to say the if the GOP wins this election after all that the MSM and lefty groups and the like have done to pervert the course of Democracy.
The GOP should embark on a substantial sweep of those professors in academia, this is where the war against conservatives is being fought and won at the moment.
63. TalkingPoint | October 9th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
The GOP should embark on a substantial sweep of those professors in academia, this is where the war against conservatives is being fought and won at the moment.
Christ. Is there anything you guys *won’t* claim is biased against you? So far we’ve got cries that academia, the media, science, facts, and reality are biased against conservatives. So…what isn’t?
64. bongoman | October 9th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Exactly. Greenwald nails it:
65. Kahn | October 10th, 2008 at 12:27 am
factbutcher and bonghit - then why do you need to cheat?
66. nemesis | October 10th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Christ. Is there anything you guys *won?t* claim is biased against you?
The truth is the truth, this is a pattern all over the western world.
This is a concerted effort by modern socialist ideology to “break” the Judeo-Christian influence over western society.
The attack is from all quarters of propaganda and “education”.
This is not a consipracy theory, this is the plain truth.
Go to any campus and tell me the ratio of Conservative to Liberal professors and or the ratio of Conservative to Liberal political activism.
Liberals/Socialists/Communists have it all over the Conservatives.
The blatant double standards in the media is a classic example.
Conservatives cannot even use Obamas middle name “Hussain” without them getting accuse of being racist.
Sarah Palin has been bashed pillar to post on almost every front by feminists, Liberals and host of other half witted deranged socialist rejects.
If this was done to Michelle Obama the roof would come down over every ones heads and the shame and guilt would be felt by every person alive in the US mainland, the media would see to it make no mistake about it.
This is why a fundamental change has to happen, the GOP has to look at its future survival it has to counteract years of Liberal stacking of stooges in prominent office.
In short if the GOP does not fight the scourge of modern Liberalism the US will end up like Europe, bereft of fresh Ideas, Old tired, willing to protect the mediocre and over run by minorities who pander to minorities at the expense of the majority who are silenced by a perceived guilt for something they never did, oh and did I say it will be over run by Muslims?
There, I said it.
67. bongoman | October 10th, 2008 at 12:44 am
nemesis illustrates the point I made above beautifully. It’s all just so unfair…
68. Kahn | October 10th, 2008 at 1:12 am
bongman - then why do you guys feel the need to cheat? Why cheat? Why are you cheating? The cheating you are doing, why?
69. nemesis | October 10th, 2008 at 1:28 am
Bongoman:
The truth is the truth, I know it matters not to the likes of you and other Liberals.
But some divine justice has happened:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/09/judge-orders-ohio-elections-chief-verify-voters/
And divine justice will always happen in the end.
70. Mark Noonan | October 10th, 2008 at 2:16 am
Sunny,
No, its not a bi-partisan problem - I’m sorry to have to point out to you that the GOP just doesn’t stuff ballot boxes…I know the left has convinced itself otherwise, but you can do search high and low and you won’t find a GOP organization consistently submitting fraudulent voter applications like leftwing groups do.
And as it has been brought up:
The issue of fraudulent voter applications wouldn’t be a problem if we required a photo ID to vote…the reason Democrats oppose such common-sense legislation is that Democrats know they rely upon cheating to win quite a lot of close contests. How do they cheat? Simple - submit thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms and then either have absentee ballots sent out to be filled in by the dozen by one or two people, or have scores of people vote under 50 different names on election day in scattered precincts which are strongly Democrat and after you’ve got a retired, Democrat judge to prohibit the RNC from placing observers in these Democratic strongholds. Presto, you’ve got some Democratic precincts with 100% turnout and 99% of votes going for the Democrats…totals Stalin never manufactured because even he knew that looked stupidly bogus…
When you see, as has been noted, that there are areas of the country with more registered voters than there are voting-age citizens, you can see how easily honest votes can be swamped by bogus votes….they can’t manufacture millions of votes, but in a close contest they can manufacture the tens of thousands of votes needed to turn a narrow McCain win into a narrow Obama win on a State-by-State basis. The likely reason McCain pulled back in Michigan is because he figured he could only win that State by 10 or 20,000 votes…which would be swamped by fraudulent votes in the hopelessly corrupt Democratic stronghold of Detroit…why expend efforts in a State which will be stolen from you, supposing you can pull out a win? Might as well concentrate on other States where you can pile up enough votes to counter-act the fraudulent votes.
Its a huge problem, liberals, and if you have a sense of patriotism you’ll pull the McCain lever in order to start the ball rolling towards an end to the sorts of political corruption Democrats have here to for engaged in with near impunity.
71. Danish Artist | October 10th, 2008 at 5:55 am
Fart Check,
“Christ. Is there anything you guys *won’t* claim is biased against you? So far we’ve got cries that academia, the media, science, facts, and reality are biased against conservatives. So…what isn’t?”
Obviously you have not been to an institution (politically correct for nuthouse - well, maybe) of higher learning for you to make that dumbass statement.
Science and facts? I’ll give you some of that. But when liberals ACTUALLY use all of science and all the facts, and not the cherry picked crap that is assembled to back an assinine opinion, we can readdress this ASSertion.
Reality? You libs are far from it or have created their own they cannot tell the difference.
Again, you are just mostly expelling foul hot air.
72. Pakistani ISI | October 10th, 2008 at 6:22 am
If natural energy and impulses are too severely suppressed for too long, they become violent. It’s natural for something that’s been held under pressure to become violent in its release. A person who is too severely suppressed experiences so much pleasure in those violent releases … they’re probably rare and brief. So, he becomes infatuated with violence.JamesDouglasMorrisonJames Douglas Morrison, lead singer of The Doors
73. Jon Parker | October 10th, 2008 at 9:43 am
You know, nowhere in this am I seeing the fact that ACORN is REQUIRED BY LAW to turn in all voter registration forms they receive. It is illegal to offer to register people to vote and not turn in those forms. It has nothing to do with voter fraud — ACORN pointed out when they submitted the forms that there were fraudulent ones in the pile.
They are not allowed to pick and choose which forms they submit. This whole controversy is like most drummed up outrages by the GOP — simply stupid and wrong on the face of it.
74. TalkingPoint | October 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Deleted - paranoid conspiracy theories.
75. Kahn | October 10th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
factcrap - suppressing the votes of cartoon characters and dead people?
The fact you won’t admit you’re cheating makes you look more fascist by the minute.
76. TalkingPoint | October 10th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
suppressing the votes of cartoon characters and dead people?
No, of real people who should be allowed to vote. but I know you don’t care about that because it works in your favor and is therefore acceptable.
Watch out for the Nazi coming to take your guns away, Kahn! There’s one hiding in your house right now!
77. Danish Artist | October 10th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Fart Check,
“I have a Bachelor’s degree (English and Philosophy)…”
Actually, it does explain alot…..might as well have a degree in lost dead languages like sanskrit.
Did you minor in frisbee or hackysack??
78. Danish Artist | October 10th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Fart Check,
“No, of real people who should be allowed to vote. but I know you don’t care about that because it works in your favor and is therefore acceptable.”
Wow, my freshman high school son would have better sentence structure than you who supposedly has a Bachelor’s degree in English.
Voter supression, oh you mean verifying the person’s identity to prevent such fraud???
Why is it liberals hate voter verification and favor environments that promote voter fraud?? Next thing, you libs will say voter verification is racist.
Of course, you libs benefit from voter fraud that is why you defend it and hate any attempts at preventing it.
English and Philosophy… again explains alot.
You still expel hot foul air.
79. TalkingPoint | October 10th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Wow, my freshman high school son
You’re going to try to criticize my grammar when you write this? And can you elucidate the grammatical or structural errors in what I wrote? I see one typo–the first word in the second sentence isn’t capitalized.
English and Philosophy… again explains alot.
It explains why I’m so far over your head, for starters. The good news for you is that if you simply do some learning on your own, you won’t be so outclassed in basic discussions. There’s no magic trick to it; you just have to do the work. (Incidentally, “a lot” is two words; you could perhaps start by brushing up on basic things like that.) But if you hate language and thinking (you clearly hate the latter and seem hostile to the former), then you might not do so well in educational endeavors.
Also, why do you wingnuts hate letting people vote? What is it about voter suppression you find so appealing?
80. nemesis | October 10th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Fatcheck:
It explains why I’m so far over your head, for starters. The good news for you is that if you simply do some learning on your own, you won’t be so outclassed in basic discussions.
Spoken like a true Liberal elite you have the qualifications of a CNN reporter now.
81. Kahn | October 10th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Meanwhile, expect criminal charges against ACORN and others. Don’t be surprised if the Secretary of State in Ohio is charged. Nor if elections officials in heavy (if you count the graveyard vote) Democratic areas in Missouri and Ohio go to jail.
They’ll be just like that pinhead Tennessee kid who thought it would be fun to steal Palin’s private e-mail and to publish pictures of her kids and their phone numbers. He won’t be laughing when he gets that felony conviction - even if he gets a suspended sentence. Convicted felons have a hard time getting jobs and/or credit. Go figure.
82. Danish Artist | October 10th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Fart Check,
My freshmen, high school son….. two adjectives before a noun…..
Oh, you must be referring to the new government school (three adjectives) English (noun).
Outclassed by you? Hardly. Stop flattering yourself, you could not win an argument in a debate by yourself.
Are you going to teach us something? We are waiting for the so-called facts that your alias describes - It’s pure opinion, innuendo and hearsay. Facts are just foreign to you.
But enough of that. Why do you defend voter fraud and criticize voter verification? Seems to me, by the way you are arguing it would be the opposite.
Of course, voter identification would favor the Republicans - there would be no means by which liberal Democrats would survive a fair election.
Now, you can either use logical reasoning that was used by some philosophers or continue to spew the foul hot air for which you are so infamous.
83. TalkingPoint | October 10th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
My freshmen, high school son….. two adjectives before a noun…..
Your son is “high school” [sic]? Do you know why I had to put [sic] in the previous sentence? Care to give it another shot?
Are you going to teach us something?
Well, it all seems to be flying over your head. Is that my fault or yours?
Tell ya what: You go hit the books this weekend and try for a fresh start on Monday, OK?
84. Danish Artist | October 10th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Fart Check,
changing the subject again.
If you are trying to teach us liberal philosophy, well it will be over my head - try something more tangible.
Obviously, you cannot comment intelligently on the subject at hand or any other. You just stick to your stupid snide remarks, hearsay and innuendo.
You could crack the books now and by election day you still would have to receive your daily talking points (considering that is all you regurgitate).
I hope someone will be available to escort you into the voting booth and help you pick the candidate you wish to vote for or has ACORN done that for you already?
Or, maybe you and Joe Biden together can figure out how to open the curtains on the booth - the rest of the process is truly over your head.
I grow bored trying to debate the mentally challenged. You are like a one-legged man at an ass kicking contest.
85. Pain | October 10th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
80. Danish Artist | October 10th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Daily talking points?
In the midst of the most serious global credit crisis in 70 years McCain and Mooselini are going on and on about a 1970s revolutionary fighting against an unjust war? Talking points??? ACORN means nothing to people who have seen their retirement investments literally wiped out this week. People burning their homes down to avoid foreclosure and committing suicide over lost jobs and stock values.
And since you are not intelligent enough to part from your idiotic conservative notions of superiority you will not reply intelligently you will insult Us instead. More reason to keep those who think like you and value your petty traditions out of government.
Di lojti strixiûç!
Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!.
86. TalkingPoint | October 10th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Awww, I’m sorry you got so mad at your shortcomings, Danish Artist, but at this point, one would think you’d be used to them by now. I guess they’re just an ongoing source of frustration for you.
Maybe your “freshman high school son” (have you figured out the errors in that phrase yet?) can help you study over the weekend so you’ll have a better shot come Monday. In the meantime, I’ll try to dumb things down for you so you won’t be flailing quite so much.
Good luck!
87. Danish Artist | October 11th, 2008 at 6:32 am
Still not sticking on topic, Fart Check.
Not surprising.
Shortcomings? I never claimed to have an English/Philosophy degree and then screwed the pooch on basic sentence structure (not your first) either. That is why I have professional technical writers working for me to correct my small grammatical mistakes.
Dumb things down? Is that code? No need to dumb things down for me. Obviously, you cannot rise to my level and that is your excuse for such poor writing and logic skills. Don’t feel bad - those who can’t can work for the government.
Why are you afraid of the topic? Obviously you cannot justify your poor pathetic argument. You are just another loud voice in a small room with few people. Too bad you wasted your college career on bullsh*t. What does a English/Philosophy degree contribute to this great country? By your pathetic posts and stupid logic, absolutely nothing - just a burden on society.
Pain, Who TF asked you? Another one who can’t stay on topic - Voter fraud. ACORN is involved in voter fraud AND in the current mortgage crisis. ACORN sued banks and other lending institutions because they FELT there were not lending enough to the poor and others not qualifying for loans. Their hands are in this too. Socialist bullsh*t has put the WORLD in financial crisis - Fannie/Freddie’s lending practices and subsequent selling of these mortgages to investment banks is directly responsible. Those politicians (liberal) who protected these practices by killing any sort of oversight and regulation legislation (offered by conservatives) are also directly responsible. But what is amazing, bumb asses like yourself are trying to re-elect those who caused this problem and also want to put them in charge of “fixing” this. You could not pay me enough to work for government - collectively the most unintelligent group of people on the face of the earth. Collectively, like your bunch at the pitchfork.
If you were a true gumdrop computer you would know this. Instead you nothing but a gum ball machine - single function, no complication no processing power - accept coin, put out a piece.
I grow bored with these two mental midgets.
88. Pain | October 11th, 2008 at 9:21 am
“Socialist bullsh*t has put the WORLD in financial crisis.”
83. Danish Artist | October 11th, 2008 at 6:32 am
Oh, we see now. It is no longer important to deal in facts as long as the ego swirling around partisan politics are at stake. A pity truly that this is the product of such a great experiment in representative democracy. We, Ourselves, hope that We will do better here than many of you are doing there.
Voter fraud is a serious matter and it is one that has been around since the first ballot box was opened. We feel that blaming ACORN as a source is unfounded. In any of the case law that We have read it appears that the motivations of the people that committed crimes were self directed rather than organization directed. In none of the cases since 2004 involving voter registration irregularity in Colorado, Missouri, Washington or Ohio was the national organization ever cited only individuals that worked for the organization many of whom were part time employees being paid for piece work. ACORN has since ceased the practice of paying employees per voter registration. The case of former New Mexico US Attorney David Iglesias comes to mind in New Mexico because he was fired because he found no reason to indict ACORN on voter fraud charges as was suggested by his political superiors in Washington, D.C.
However, to understand why the right wing authoritarians in power today in America have such a hard on for ACORN one must recognize a bit of the history of this NGO. The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now rose from the ashes of Johnson’s Great Society in the early 1970s seeking to set in concrete the foundation that was laid in the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Now in that era when ACORN was formed in 1970 in Arkansas to combat the reluctance of certain state employees to pay benefits to welfare recipients there were few if any in power inside or outside of Little Rock who wanted anything to do with the organization founded by Wade Rathke.. The organization quickly became the bane of conservatives and traditionalist whites in the South that had seen their world turned upside down in half a generation. From securing apartments for single mothers dependent on welfare during the Nixon era of unbridled government corruption to fighting for the rights of those living near environmental disasters as Sol set on the Reagan Era ACORN took on every traditional bastion of white conservative power in the name of the disenfranchised.
While ACORN has staged spectacular demonstrations like the one against Citigroup in 1992 on behalf of those denied housing loans it is a clear sign of the disingenuousness of the argument that ACORN and the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 are to blame for the credit crisis. For the numbers to appear as they do today, the banks and mortgage companies that have failed because of poorly marked to market mortgage backed securities would have had to have loaned every adult black man and woman in the United States a mortgage for at least USD 180 000 [h! 204 d. 218 s 18] and then had half of those roughly 9 million loans default; clearly this did not happen. While these arguments are surely excellent parlor banter they refuse to address the number of loans written to white families who did not have the collateral or the income to support their possession and dwelling in a McMansion yet mortgage companies wrote their mortgages for 125% of the value of the home in the current bloated market and allowed many of these people to pay interest only for years.
Freddie and Fannie lost due to lack of regulation on their purchasing of what were called conforming loans. The problem is that most of Fannie and Freddie’s loans were solid but the percentage of their non performing loans greatly devalued the securities on their balance sheet as the subprime crisis grew into a credit [liquidity] crisis. Still a combination of both of those factors would have been nothing but a burp at the banking buffet had it not been for the constant building to Hovnanian, Toll Brothers and all the others that sought to develop every patch of land possible to ride the wave of the housing bubble. All of this was going on at the height of the “war on Terror” We feel We must remind you. In war time as President Bush loved to say in 2002 and 2003 the American housing market was on fire just as the Dutch markets were for tulips in the winter of 1637.
All the while for the sake of profit these mortgage companies, which are not subject to CRA reporting requirements continued to write the mortgages as A and Alt-A loans and bundled them into Collateralized Debt Obligations and sold them like hotcakes to hungry investors in the US and abroad. Simply put to blame ACORN for voter fraud is to say that the KKK was merely a community organization interested in preserving the heritage of white participation in the Civil War. Both would be a gross prevarication. ACORN is being punished by the right because it serves groups that the right hates. This is simply a matter of religious authoritarians, neo-fascists like yourself and truly right leaning conservatives all finding a common ground talking point. You point and foam at the mouth about ACORN and Ayers and Obama’s community service because those are safe ways of saying what you want the white electorate to hear and is a simple and cutting question that you so whish you could offer in the clear, “You aren’t going to elect that nigger to be ‘our’ leader are you?”
And herein lies both the shame and the irony because it belies the falsehood of many of your beliefs. The man who has been married once to a fine woman and has a wonderful family is seen as the enemy and the man who cast his wounded wife off like a dirty shirt is seen as your hero. A scholar of law is disdained while a harsh old man with no concept of how economies work is praised. We can respect that you feel your cause is the “Culture of Life.” Our question however is , “Whose life?” And by corollary, “At what cost to those who do not look, think, love and live as you would wish them to do?”
Di lojti strixiûç!
Qu’ul cuda pradex nihil!
89. Danish Artist | October 11th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Pain,
“We feel that blaming ACORN as a source is unfounded.”
Unfounded? They have been caught time and again submitting fraudulent voter registration forms. Their offices have been raided in investigation because of it.
The historical founding of ACORN while noble has nothing to do with the ACORN it has become. That goes for almost any group.
Unfounded?
Right there, disqualifies your pitiful arguments and proves that you do not live in reality, only in your little fake hell where you reside, reality is anything you want it to be.
Your socialist and liberal political heroes prevented regulation and oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which would have revealed and stopped their accounting manipulations. The liberals always want to protect their little creations and the cost of their actions has tanked the economy. They are to blame and no spin you can create can change their irresponsible actions.
And in conclusion, your post again deteriorates in the usual racist and fascist crap and anti-religious screed for which you are so infamous. If stupidity were cash, you alone could save the entire world market with billions to spare.
90. Pain | October 11th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Deleted - bogus accusations of racism; commenter to be banned.
91. Sarah Bloch | October 11th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Deleted - commenter to be banned for continual lies and off topic comments.
92. js | October 11th, 2008 at 11:49 am
you got some crystal ball thats telling you these lies pain…or is it revealed from your coloring book…
get real…biased polls never did tell the results of elections…last election kerry had 11 point on bush going into the last week of the election….people like you were pissing thier pants because they “know” they would win…
but alas…sucker city…and again….you are sucked into thier lies…
do you know what that tells us?
think hard…
93. js | October 11th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
it totally confounds good sense when you idiots try to pretend that the democratic party is some kind of shinning star..and that you actually believe the lies…and spread the propoganda the way you do…
weak minded individuals one and all…that gives obamasiah 140 million noses stuck up his tush…but alas…thats a minority….a minority of big moouth idiots…and thats nothing to be proud of….
chicago…politics…corruption…what is it about the truth that you dont quite grasp?
they tell you things are going to change? health care? you gotta be stupid to believe that lie…the same lie the democrats have waved for the last 60 years…the lie that keeps on giving!!
only idiots believe it anymore…and trust me…there are lots of you guys out there…noisy spoiled rotten idiots that believe anything obamasiah has to say…that melt off into oblivion when its over…because it doesnt matter if they win or lose…either way they get the shaft…
at least with mac’….the shaft will actually do some good for america…!!
94. js | October 11th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
you dont thing obama has anything to do with socialists and communists?
what suckers you really are;
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-international-socialist-connections/
http://obamaism.blogspot.com/
95. js | October 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Obama’s Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dorhn’s Chicago Home - Ayers and Dorhn are former terrorists from the Weather Underground who’s SDS organization received financial contributions from the CPUSA. “Obama’s run for the Illinois state Senate was launched by a fundraiser organized at Ayers’ and Dorhn’s Chicago home by Alice Palmer. Palmer had named Obama to succeed her in the state Senate in 1995, when she decided to run for a U.S. congressional seat.” Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)
(from the above link)
Barack Obama had extensive ties with extreme anti-American elements, including agents of the Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA, in Hawaii and Chicago, according to two new reports released yesterday in Washington, D.C., by two experienced internal security investigators.
Investigative journalist Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein, a former investigator with the U.S. House Committee on Un-American Activities, presented evidence Obama was mentored, while attending high school in Hawaii, by Frank Marshall Davis, an African-American poet and journalist who was also a CPUSA member.
The authors, in a separate report, document Obama’s ties to radicals in Chicago who helped launch his career.
In a paper entitled “Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection,” the authors document that in 1948, Davis decided to move from Chicago to Honolulu at the suggestion of what they describe as two “secret CPUSA members,” actor Paul Robeson and Harry Bridges, the head of the International Longshoremen’s and Warehousemen Union, or ILWU.
In Chicago, Davis had worked for the Chicago Star newspaper; in Honolulu, he was hired as a reporter for the Honolulu Record, both identified by Kincaid and Romerstein as “communist front newspapers.”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65066
96. js | October 11th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
you liberals are as stupid as young children…go back to the play ground and stay out of adults business…
97. Deejah Thoris | October 11th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Deleted - paranoid conspiracy theories.
98. Deejah Thoris | October 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Deleted - off topic.
99. Bill Eischeidt | October 11th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Deleted - off topic.
100. Bill Eischeidt | October 11th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
You quoted WorldNet Daily as a source? What a hayseed! Son get yourself an education then try to express yourself in real world terms instead of believing every fool thing some guy tells you is true.
101. js | October 11th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
not a single…mature…responce…
see…you really dont belong here….
102. js | October 11th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
i mean…cmon children…you may not like it…but these facts about the commie’s and socialists are solid, indisputable facts about your obamasiah and his associations…
dont you have “any” exculpatory arguement…or is the greatest extent of your lip service to be simple denial…
103. Bill Eischeidt | October 11th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
98. js | October 11th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Solid and indisputable, huh? And that’s because you say so, right? Despite the howl from all corners of the internet that none of this ACORN or Ayers crap means anything. I just need to know are you trying to convince yourself or the undecided voters that are flocking to Obama?
104. TalkingPoint | October 11th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Deleted - off topic.
105. TalkingPoint | October 11th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Deleted - off topic.
106. TalkingPoint | October 11th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Deleted - off topic.
107. Danish Artist | October 11th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Fart Check,
The fact that you cannot comment on topic and consistently change the subject points out your own cowardice and lack of knowledge. I do not have to ask. I know you do not understand that!
It’s OK, there will always be a place for an English/Philosophy major at McDonalds or Wongs House of Fortune Cookies (Hint - try making the fortunes actually sound like fortunes).
108. TalkingPoint | October 12th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Deleted, off topic and mindless insults.