“Cold Cash” Jefferson Defeated!
by Matt Margolis on December 7th, 2008 at 12:02am
Political newcomer Anh “Joseph” Cao, a Republican, has beaten nine-term incumbent William Jefferson, a Democrat, in the 2nd Congressional District, according to the Associated Press.
With 79 percent of the district’s 492 precincts reporting, Cao, a Venetian Isles attorney who has enjoyed strong backing from local and national GOP organizations, is leading 53 percent to 43 percent over Jefferson. Green Party candidate Malik Rahim has 3 percent, while Libertarian Gregory Kahn is trailing with less than 1 percent.
The district, which was drawn to give African Americans an electoral advantage, covers most of New Orleans, most of Jefferson Parish’s West Bank and parts of south Kenner. About two-thirds of the district’s voters are registered as Democrats.
It is a good day when a corrupt Democrat finally gets defeated… one down… a lot more to go.
Next up… trial and conviction.
I think a celebratory glass of Cabernet Sauvignon is in order.
UPDATE: How sweet it is.
UPDATE, by Mark Noonan: Also noted is that the Democrats seem to have lost the other runoff House election in Louisiana. The reason does appear to be lower-than-necessary black turnout - one wonders that now there’s a black man to be in the White House will black turnout drop off heavily for all the special and off-year elections? For the 2010 mid-terms? The test will be in next year’s Virginia governors race.
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December 7th, 2008 at 12:35 am
They are even cheering at the Kos on this one.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:06 am
It’s always good when corrupt politicans on either side get the boot. I’m sure Jefferson found out the same thing his buddy Martin in Georiga did without Obama’s coat tails he never had a shot.
http://thenewconservatives.blogspot.com
December 7th, 2008 at 1:08 am
Casper,
Yeah, but I’ll bet they aren’t calling on Pelosi to step down as Speaker given the fact that she made no move to get Jefferson out of the caucus and out of the House. Remember - the Democratic standard is that the failure of one is the failure of all.
December 7th, 2008 at 2:39 am
W00T!
What?
December 7th, 2008 at 9:44 am
When Republicans are found to have broken the law (or even ethics rules) the Republican establishment will force them out. If a Democrat breaks the law, has the appearance of impropriety, or is just plain unethical, he/she gets to stay as long as they can be re-elected.
Get it now Sergei? Doubt it.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Liberals will not resign their position until they are at the jail house door.
We saw it with a former representative from Illinois (can’t recall his name). But he held his position until well after conviction/sentencing.
That is their mantra - protection of the party is above all others.
Democrats’ policies are not designed to make people succeed, just more dependent on government, namely them. Successors are always penalized to bring them down to the level of the non-achievers. Non-achievers are never raised to the higher levels because they are needed to keep liberal Democrats in power. The most dependent on government always vote for liberals.
Sad fact. How can a society progress when the aim is to keep it regressed. The only progress to a liberal is keeping their seats of power and winning more seats for more control - fortunately with the defeats in Georgia and what looks like Minnesota their achievement of one party rule has been avoided - for now.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:18 am
“When Republicans are found to have broken the law (or even ethics rules) the Republican establishment will force them out.”
Which is why Larry Craig and Ted Stevens both finished their terms after being convicted of crimes?
Sorry, the Republicans are no better or worse than Democrats.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:31 am
casper, those were the exceptions and not the rule.
I fault them for that, but the majority of Republican crooked politicians have been removed, while Democrats are the opposite - a reliable track record.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:52 am
tiredoflibbs,
It’s pretty easy to find exceptions though isn’t it. Sorry, Republicans are just as bad as Democrats.
December 7th, 2008 at 11:03 am
There are corrupt politicians on both sides… but it is true that Democrats have a very bad record of holding their own accountable. Republicans have a much better record of cleaning their own House.
December 7th, 2008 at 11:12 am
“Republicans have a much better record of cleaning their own House.”
Keep saying that Matt, and maybe someday, someone outside to the base will believe it.
December 7th, 2008 at 11:56 am
All the proof you need.
You can keep telling yourself that Democrats have the higher ground on ethics… but you’d be a fool to think that.
Facts speak for themselves. This is not a matter of opinion. Democrats are far more likely to protect the corrupt elements in their party or reelect them. I’ve done the research… I know.
December 7th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
“You can keep telling yourself that Democrats have the higher ground on ethics… but you’d be a fool to think that.”
I’ve never said that, nor do I believe that. I’ve said that they are just as bad as Republicans.
“Facts speak for themselves. This is not a matter of opinion. Democrats are far more likely to protect the corrupt elements in their party or reelect them. I’ve done the research… I know.”
Considering that you and Mark are two of the most biased right wingers out there, I’m not sure you really know what “facts” are. And, since one of the reasons Republicans have lost the last couple of elections is because of corruption within the party, I don’t think most Americans would agree with you.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I love how Matt thinks his stupid little screed is “proof” of his beliefs. “I wrote a book about my beliefs for some wingnut welfare–and that proves everything!”
Meanwhile, it’s worth pointing out that the DCCC did nothing to help Jefferson get elected and that the party didn’t even endorse him. So…you were saying about cleaning house, you Tom Delay worshipers?
Also, nobody seems to want to point out that Anh Cao is that most disgusting, do-nothingest of things: A community organizer! Oh noes! Somebody alert Sarah Palin and give her a mavericky lipstick barracuda hockey pit bull speech to wink her way through!
At any rate, good riddance to Jefferson.
December 7th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
One name …. Ted Kennedy.
By today’s standards set by Democrats towards Republicans, he would have been gone.
An event that happened 40 years ago that should have ended his political career. Why did he continue to serve so long after the fact?
The track record is Republicans remove their own (with Casper’s two EXCEPTIONS). Democrats protect their own.
Next.
December 7th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
tiredoflibbs,
Wow, you have to go back 40 years. Why don’t we go back to the Grant Administration. Lots of corruption there. Of course that wouldn’t prove anything more than your example.
Next.
December 7th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Casper, again you are being intellectually dishonest.
Kennedy is the perfect example of Democrats protecting their own and not pursuing any sort of ethical action against a fellow Democrat - one of many. They will stop at nothing from risking losing a seat or their influence of power.
Republicans have been forced from office for whole lot less than what Teddy has done. And you call yourself a teacher.
You want another example. A member of Nixon’s staff or a cabinet aide had ONE FBI file in his possession - he went to jail for it. The Clinton White House had over 900 and NO ONE went to jail or faced any sort of legal action.
You are incapable of defending the indefensible, but keep drinking the kool-aid.
December 7th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
What, so now the justic system is Liberally biased? You’d love to think that, wouldn’t you, you love to victimize yourselves. You always make yourself look like your being pushed around by those big, mean Democrats. Yes, the Liberals control so much, but we can’t silence a freakin’ plumber! We are so big and powerful, that’s why Republicans had control of the congress for 12 years! Now whose the boss!! Years of putting up with a Republican boss, over! And you were so partisan, too! Newt Gingrich was a hell of a swine! Yes, we are so powerful, that’s why this website is up and running without censure.
December 7th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
tiredoflibbs,
You are the one defending the indefensible. I haven’t defended anyone. You can bring up as many examples of bad democrats as you want, and I’m sure with a little research on the internet, I can find an equal number of republicans. Why don’t we start with these;
http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/
Notice they include both democrats and republicans.
December 7th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Good example: when former House member Frank Balance was about to head of to jail, Democrats kept throwing him parties.
When Duke Cunningham was about to go to jail, Republicans said “see ya! Don’t let the door hit you on the a** on the way!” We didn’t throw parties.
When a Dem is accused of wrongdoing, the media can barely be bothered to mention they are a Dem. When it is a tiny thing that may not even be true about Republican, it is front page news.
December 7th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Orlando,
Our book is sourced - no anonymous sources, you can check the notes and find the exact same data we did in the public square. William “Cold Cash” Jefferson didn’t just pop up all of a sudden with corruption - it was August 3, 2005 when he was raided by the FBI and it only now, in December of 2008 AFTER BEING RE-ELECTED IN HIS MASSIVELY DEMOCRAT DISTRICT in 2006 that Jefferson is at last going to be removed from the House.
When the accusations against Craig became public knowledge, the GOP announced that Craig no longer had GOP support, the GOP called for his resignation and announced that there would be a primary challenge if Craig attempted to run for re-election. The accusations against Jefferson came very much far enough in advance of the 2006 elections for the Democrats to do the same - the Democrats did nothing, only stripping Jefferson of his Ways and Means Committee seat a year later when videotape of Jefferson TAKING THE BRIBE emerged. This is not a disputed event about what happened in a bathroom stall - this is Jefferson taking bribes in order to steer Export/Import Bank money (ie, taxpayer money) towards an entity trying to get to work in hopelessly corrupt Nigeria - the man worked out the details of the bribe in his daughter’s office and insisted on another child being hired by the bribing company at 2.5k to 5k per month.
Even if you want to say there are as many corrupt GOPers as there are corrupt Democrats, it is clear that corrupt Democrats are given vastly more leeway than corrupt Republicans - imagine if a GOPer had a whore he paid for sex running a prostitution business out of his condo…how long before every Democrat in the world called for his resignation and how long before the GOP made it unanimous? You know that is how it would come out in such a scenario - but the Democrat who did this is Barney Frank…and even worse, he wrote letters on behalf of this whore regarding the whore’s conviction for child sex abuse!
We want corruption out of politics as much as possible - and we won’t get it until you, on your side, start to admit that you’ve got a problem and that you have to hold your own to a high standard.
December 7th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Mark, we can agree that corruption is a bad thing in government. But we can not make this a partisan issue.
December 7th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
atheistass,
Republicans have not had control of Congress for 12 years. Do some basic research and get back. The Democrats tried to silence a plumber by using government files against Joe the Plumber. Another violation by the Democrats. Who is in trouble for that?
casper, you can give a list of politicians with ethics violations. But which party forces them out and which party protects them? That is the issue, and not who is more corrupt.
The topic - William Jefferson who was caught on video taking a bribe was not challenged by the Democrats to resign. In fact, Pelosi was looking to give him a committee chairmanship. After stating she will have the most ethical Congress and after labeling the Republicans as the caucus of corruption.
You are defending the indefensible, you just refuse to believe that the Democrats protect their power over that of the interests of the people.
Truly sad that you continue to look the other way when it comes to your own political party that will do everything to protect teachers’ unions.
December 7th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Atheistass,
Corruption is not a partisan issue. What is a partisan issue is that Democrats protect their own while Republicans force them to resign.
Case in point William Jefferson. The proof is that after being caught on video by the FBI accepting a bribe, the Democras, namely Nancy Pelosi wanted to give him a committee chairmanship. The FBI raided his office and the Democrats were upset by that as well.
As long as Democrats refuse to go after their own it will be a partisan issue, while corruption is not.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
marion barry - need one say more?
December 8th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
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December 8th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
“The topic - William Jefferson who was caught on video taking a bribe was not challenged by the Democrats to resign. In fact, Pelosi was looking to give him a committee chairmanship. After stating she will have the most ethical Congress and after labeling the Republicans as the caucus of corruption.
You are defending the indefensible, you just refuse to believe that the Democrats protect their power over that of the interests of the people.”
I never defended Jefferson or the way the Democratic party has handled him. I have only pointed out the the Republicans are just as bad. Sad that you feel you have to lie about my position.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
asswipemule
Jessie Helms: Dead, finally, on July 4th, 2008. A disgusting, ultra-rightwing racist who tarnished the face of American politics for a third of a century. His actions against civil rights, AIDS funding, affirmative action, a woman’s right to choose, the establishment of the federal Martin Luther King, Jr., holiday, and in support of racial segregation and the Ku Klux Klan made him one of the most egregious bigots in recent history. Thousands of good people suffered as the direct result of hi
HE was a DEMOCRAT during those days……MORON!
He was perhaps the last unreconstructed Southern conservative who started his political career in the Democratic Party when that party symbolized racial conservatism and transitioned in the early 1970s to being a Republican.[4]
GET your “FACTS” straight.
you are WRONG on EVERY point you so feebly attempted to point out on that pathetic rambling ACORN talking point list.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
asswipemule
Ronald Reagan: Placed on a pedestal by most republicans, this former president was actually one of the worst presidents in US history, committing multiple crimes against humanity during his time as president. These included the deaths of tens of thousands of gay men in the United States as the direct result of his refusal to take action to combat the AIDS crisis,
Ok sooooooo YOU stick YOUR penis in another mans anus, and it is the presidents fault you got AIDS ???????
WTF………literally,
you homos are a total riot.
It is ALWAYS somebody else s fault.
LIBERALISM is a MENTAL disorder!
December 8th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
fmr, why you got to be a hater? Does not your beloved lord teach you to love?
December 8th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Also, Reagan really should have done something. Gays are afraid to be checked for AIDS because it is humiliating to them Reagan should have at least done something, instead of just standing there while thousands died. Quite frankly, Bush has done a lot for the AIDS crisis, here and overseas, and I applaud him on it.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
No casper you don’t.
You keep saying that Republicans are just as bad, ad nauseum.
What you fail to grasp, or refuse to admit is that Democrats protect their own up until the last minute (the millisecond after conviction), while the Republicans do not.
I don’t have to lie about your position. I just have to repeat what you have written. Your comments are your own undoing.
No matter how you spin it, you keep defending the liberals while criticizing the Republicans. It is sad that you are a teacher with those beliefs.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
I see atheistass is loaded with the liberal talking points bible.
What is really disturbing:
“The 2nd Amendment states, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Over the years, there has been much discussion and many legal battles over the meaning of this poorly-constructed sentence. If only the Founders had written it in an unambiguous way, perhaps many more citizens today would be alive to read it. Regardless of how the 2nd Amendment is written or interpreted, it’s just common sense that millions of guns should not be in the hands of US citizens. The Founders would be turning over in their graves if they knew that as the result of some group’s activities, 200 million guns were now in the hands of people in the US.”
“The NRA is one of the primary threats to national security and should be forced by the federal government to immediately dissolve. Members’ houses should be searched and all weapons seized. The NRA’s assets as well as those of its members should be frozen and then used to compensate victims of gun violence as well as their families.”
Obviously, atheistass, you cannot even see the nose on your face. The 2nd amendment clearly states its intentions. Don’t you know the history behind that amendment?
Secondly, are you calling NRA members murderers?
Then the wild accusations of Reagan killing gays!! How did he do that? Injected them with tainted fluids while they slept? Did you know from high school biology that viruses cannot be cured?? Where is the cure for the common cold?
What is surprising is that you do not have any 911 conspiracies of it being an inside job! Or were you just being careless and forgot?
You really have cemented your reputation as a complete liar and a mental case. Why bother posting here? You should go the dailypitchfork and hang out with those losers, you’d fit right in - a website full of yes men.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
asswipedonkey
fmr, why you got to be a hater? Does not your beloved lord teach you to love?
NO
we are told to HATE sin.
YOU represent SIN, therefore you are the enemy of GOD and of me.
Repent then we can talk!
until then ?…….you figure it out,
However I do encourage you to read what the word of GOD has to say about sin, and sinners.
HE invented HELL for your ilk not me.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
“Then the wild accusations of Reagan killing gays!!”
I never said such a thing. He was, however, irresponsibly negligent over the crisis in their health.
Frankly, I think people that believe that our own government caused 9/11 are… stupid.
I do not represent sin. No human is evil. And if I was, do you really think I would be sitting here when I could be bombing the U.N? Love the sinner, hate the sin. Besides, the only thing to combat evil with is love.
Please, don’t be a hater.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
athiestass
Romans 1:25-27 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things (which can be ourselves OR others OR even material objects) rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
The Psalmist said, “Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way” (Psalm 119:104).
How much God hates sin can be seen in the punishment of sin in the past. In the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:15-19):
The Flood: In Genesis 6, we see the condition of man’s heart, that it was evil continually.
* God’s solution - the flood. He will destroy mankind along with the creatures. Why? All because of sin; God hates sin.
Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19).
* These cities were destroyed along with their inhabitants because of the sin of sodomy (homosexuality) and other sins (Ezekial 16:49).
These passages not only teach now much God hates sin but also how much he loves us. God hates sin so much that he commands that we turn from it. He loves us so much that he sent his Son to die for us (John 3:16).
Let us, “Hate every false way.” This is possible only by loving God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength.
God is love (1 John 4:8), but God also punishes the sinner and hates all who do iniquity. God is not one sided. He is not simply an infinitely loving God. He is also infinitely just. He must deal with sin. He must punish the sinner.
In the truth of God’s word, we find that the Lord has provided one way by which we may be saved. That single way is through Jesus’ sacrifice. For all who trust in Him, salvation will come. But to those who turn away, God’s wrath abides upon them: “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him,” (John 3:36).
December 8th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
tiredoflibbs,
I have no problem admitting that the democrats protect their own. I’ve never stated otherwise. Stating that I am defending them is a lie.
Our differences seem to be whether or not Republicans do the same. You admitted as much with Larry Craig and Ted Stevens. Your refusal to admit that Republicans are just as bad as Democrats shows that you are the one “drinking the kool-aid”. I’m glad that Jefferson was defeated and if he is convicted, I hope he goes to jail. Perhaps he could share a cell with Stevens.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
tiredollibs
Jefferson is the quintessential donkrat, along with barney Fag, kennedydrunk, marion berry, kwafume wafume or what ever.
The list is headed up by the biggest donk hero B!@# J@B bill,
the lying, perjuring, raping, molesting, impeached, disbarred, cheating, fined, woman abusing, disgusting piece of human waste ever to soil the W.H.
and his carpet munching “wife”
So why would think the idiots who troll here would even begin to see the truth?
they them selves are corrupt.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Please, your God has no effect on me. His Earthly manifestation, Jesus, would beg to differ with his dad. If you ask me, a God can not punish.
Don’t be a hater.
You know who else feels that they do Gods work by hating others?
The Taliban
Al Qeada
Hezbollah
The Christian Coalition
All that they do is make war.
Don’t be a hater.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Jefferson is the quintessential donkrat, along with barney Fag, kennedydrunk, marion berry, kwafume wafume or what ever.
“The list is headed up by the biggest donk hero B!@# J@B bill,
the lying, perjuring, raping, molesting, impeached, disbarred, cheating, fined, woman abusing, disgusting piece of human waste ever to soil the W.H.
and his carpet munching “wife”
So why would think the idiots who troll here would even begin to see the truth?
they them selves are corrupt.”
Don’t be a hater. Please.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Liberals need to face facts. The hard left is always more corrupt than the right. Republicans are less corrupt than horrible democrats.
Right can’t be wrong, except in the twisted universe of the libs.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
athiestass
You are wearing the “hate” word out,
it is as old and boring as the “racist” card.
So you lump the Christian coalition in with islamic terror groups ?
how thoughtful of you!
what about these “Christian” organizations?
what is your take on them?
NAACP ?
SCLC ?
NOA ?
PUSH ?
December 8th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
“Right can’t be wrong, except in the twisted universe of the libs.”
Left is right and right is wrong. No wait, that’s gay men and earings…
All jokes aside, wordplay isn’t going to help you.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
The US is the only country in the world that has such a huge number of gun-related crimes and people are always at a loss to understand why.
Maybe it’s the people using the guns … not the guns themselves?
Maybe it’s because liberals don’t want to encourage responsibility and accountability?
You know what I was always told? ….. ‘Guns are no more dangerous than those using them.’
Guns .. were made to protect ourselves from people like you, atheistmule, and like people in our scumbag Congress.
Did you also know, that as free, and independent states, we have the power to levy war when necessary, to abolish the government when it is not performing its functions properly. Say like, right now, in the same instance that you speak in wanting to take our freedom to own firearms away … If the government wants to take our freedoms away, then we have a right and a duty to abolish that government by whatever means necessary.
And maybe, if liberals would stop telling blacks so many lies, they wouldn’t be getting in so much trouble with the law, eh?
*Pointing my finger at you, you pea-brain*
Stay away from my guns!
December 8th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
JJ, let’s not get into the gun issue. We’re dealing with corruptoin here. I hope I don’t sound like a coward, I’m not backing out of the fight.
December 8th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Liberals need to face facts. The hard left is always more corrupt than the right. Republicans are less corrupt than horrible democrats.
Swing and a miss, kimmy. It’s so funny that you try so hard to believe this, though. You read like a parody, but what makes it funny is that you aren’t; you’re actually dead serious. Poor little girl.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:15 am
What exactly is the “Daily Pitchfork”?
Can love hate? No. Can then God, Who is love, exact punishment on sinners because He hates them? Just as clearly, no. What then motivates His punishments? The answer is love, as He seeks to save us from ourselves.
Consider this: Let’s say that you have a child, and one day you discover that your child has been doing something wrong — say, shoplifting, or cheating on tests, or what have you. You respond by punishing the child. Is this because you hate the child? No, not even if the child’s misdeeds are bad enough to merit hate. You punish the child so that it will learn not to do such things in the future. You punish it because you do not want it to grow up to be a slimeball, because you want what is best for it — because you love it.
December 9th, 2008 at 1:28 am
What then motivates His punishments?
God punishes because of sin, because sin is a direct separation of God’s love from us. Yes, He still loves us as the persons that He created us to be, but whenever we sin. And this is not His doing, but our own … we choose whatever actions we may take, and it’s dependent upon whatever way we choose as to what judgment follows … take for example - Sodom and Gomorrah, He judged their actions according to how people responded to His calling on a societal basis - remember what He told Abraham find Me ten righteous and I will spare this place, unfortunately, none were found (they were all reprobates) except for Lot and His wife and they fled. And remember what He told Lot’s wife … “Don’t look back!” And what did she do? She looked back, and was turned into a pillar of salt.
The same with America today … we must flee this darkness that is called “secular progressivism” and to never look back upon it.
The really troubling part about America today, is that we are seeing more and more of the reprobate mind … people who have no conscience … their mind is controlled by the devil, as they’ve given in to Satan’s deceit and therefore, God has turned completely away because of the one sin that God does not tolerate, and that is denying His Holy Spirit access to our hearts … when we reject Him for so long then it becomes almost impossible to become saved, because God no longer dwells in us.
It’s kind of like walking a dog on a leash, and the dog sees something across the road that has tempted him to go and investigate, and if the dog keeps lunging and the person walking the dog lets loose then the dog runs across the road not seeing the oncoming traffic and gets killed. Of course that just a hypothetical situation, because animals cannot reason and they have no soul, but symbolic of the human which has a mind-spirit connection … when the human mind relies solely on the human nature, and human knowledge …. there is no guidance, as Satan ultimately controls the flesh, but we have power over the flesh whenever we acknowledge that we do indeed have a Creator God.
All mankind is without excuse, so at some point, usually at the point of accountability, we are going to be confronted with a choice, and that choice is to either accept God and His plan of Salvation, or to reject Him, as Creation alone, which would include ourselves, is all God needed to do to prove Himself…
The problem then we face, is Satan’s dark spiritual forces are being pushed to destroy the concept of Creation and God by using our schools, the media, journalism, literature, books etc, etc … the primary being schools as they can cover a larger number of people that will be the future societies … in effect, what you have is millions of people exchanging the truth for a lie.
What’s really interesting, is that, if the atheists are so sure of themselves on what they believe, why must they reference to the Bible, dig up scripture in an attempt to prove something that they have no idea what they are talking about?
A recent Newsweek article comes to mind.
God, I believe has already turned America loose, and we’re about to see some horrible things come about.
As the song says … ‘Sin will take you farther, than you may want to go.’
December 9th, 2008 at 1:36 am
JJ, let’s not get into the gun issue. We’re dealing with corruptoin here. I hope I don’t sound like a coward, I’m not backing out of the fight.
atheistmule,
Just remember what I told you.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:24 am
Casper that is the first time you admitted that the liberal politicians protect their own. However, I have admitted that Republicans are corrupt. The whole discussion has been about the parties protecting their own when they should have thrown the book at them.
Stevens and Craig are the two exceptions to the rule with the Republicans, but you have to admit the Democrats place party above the people when it comes to corruption.
There may be hope for you.
Athiestass,
You don’t even know the meaning of your propaganda bible. It’s truly sad that you will post that Reagan was responsible for the deaths of gays - involuntary manslaughter = killing - then deny saying it.
Do you even read the crap you post or do you just go for the massive cut and paste from your talking point email?
“No human is evil.” - OK?!? so you are saying that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, bin Laden, etc. etc. are not evil? While the Republicans in your talking point memo are?
Truly sad. Go hang out with the dailypitchforkers - a pathetic website full of yes men (women). You’d fit right in.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Incidentally, have any of you “Republicans get rid of their corruption” blatherers come up with a dodge to explain away the fact that the McCain-Palin ticket is the first presidential ticket in the history of this country in which both the presidential and vice-presidential candidate had ethics violations on their records before the election?
You punish corruption so much that you…nominate it for the highest executive offices in the land.
I’ll give you some time to hammer out your talking points on that one.
December 9th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
“so you are saying that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, bin Laden, etc. etc. are not evil?
Um……. yes.”
I do not believe that they are good people, in any way. No, they are terrible people. Evil is complete lacking of goodness. If Stalin were evil, then life on this Earth would have ended a long time ago.
I had never heard of the Daily Pitchfork until you brought it up.
I have not read my e-mail in a month.
I have never said Republicans were evil. They are mostly good people.
I do not believe Reagan killed the gays, he was just negligent of the crisis.
“The problem then we face, is Satan’s dark spiritual forces are being pushed to destroy the concept of Creation and God by using our schools, the media, journalism, literature, books etc, etc … the primary being schools as they can cover a larger number of people that will be the future societies … in effect, what you have is millions of people exchanging the truth for a lie.”
Wonderful. Again, with the whole vast left-wing conspiracy! But with a twist! This time it’s controlled by the devil. But really, you just want people to stay away from all those “sources of evil” that you listed up there. You know why? Because they are the only places where we can learn! Genius! Keep the truth hidden, and the masses will flock to the Republicans.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Keep the truth hidden, and the masses will flock to the Republicans.
Turn that statement around by putting Democrats at the end of the statement, and you have this years election to the T.
Take the media for example which spread about as many lies as they could spit out in a half a second, around the clock … ABC trashed Sarah Palin constantly, trying their best to make her look like as evil as they could.
The principle place that all of this began, however, was with computer generated journalism … places like the Daily Kos - One of the worst hate sites if not THE worst on the internet. The trash they spew out isn’t fit for the eyes of a dog.
Although, lies being put forth in the form of computer generated journalism are meant primarily for those who’ve already been brainwashed by their nutty professors.
As I said, education, is where the lies are being of most benefit to evil minded/oriented people, because that’s where they’ve got the most control over the minds of young people who are creating a future for themselves - Thus, what you have is … where the reprobate mind is already in place in the form of the left-wing literature that is produced and then the teachers are there to convey the lies so that the youngsters may be better brainwashed. Now, that’s just how it works … so then you have millions of young people walking around programmed to attack people of faith and any message of faith that may be portrayed - such as the Nativity scene in the State of Washington.
Notice the Christian display never had any words there; no aggression toward anyone … On the other hand, look at the sign the atheists put up, really hateful and demeaning words toward Christians … some of the words were - “religion hardens hearts and enslaves minds”
“Hardens hearts and enslaves minds”? Really?
Just goes to prove that the atheists don’t know what they’re talking about, that they do not realize that it is their own heart that is hardened and that sin and rejecting the Holy Spirit that hardens hearts. Jesus never hardened anyone’s heart, it was their wicked human nature (love of the flesh) that caused them to hate and despise Him.
These atheists who put up the sign are given over to what we call the - Reprobate Mind, and the students whom they brainwash to be brought into the reprobate mind. Homosexuality is the first sign to a reprobate mind - notice the teachers in Colorado who say they will teach homosexuality to children in a “positive” way. Friend, there is nothing positive about homosexuality, nothing whatsoever. They shall reap their reward in full.
So, what you may call “factually” correct, does not in any way concern itself with the truth, because “factually” correct in the left-wingers world is made obsolete under the power and auspice of the Almighty God of Creation … W
What you seek, friend, is to change all of what God has ordained in pursuit of your humanly and condemned desires.
Nevertheless, the truth shall always prevail, and that is, that God is ultimately in control, and our strength is through His Word, that casts light into a darkened world of which you have not understood.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Atheistmule,
How many millions died under Stalin, Hitler and Mao?
That does not make them evil? OK……
Then your post rambles on with useless BS about Satan and left wing conspiracy. What “truth” are you talking about? That drivel on the Pitchfork? Oh please! They are a bunch or anti-religious nuts like yourself!!!
Are you inhaling right now? Because your posts are reflecting that you may be under the influence.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
“Hardens hearts and enslaves minds”? Really?
Yes; you’re a perfect illustration of this dynamic.
December 9th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
All praise to the Bushiah! Open your hearts to the redeeming light of his Georgeness!