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		<title>By: amazona</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/21/the-obama-honeymoon-is-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-180338</link>
		<dc:creator>amazona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, the Libs have been trying to deflect the discussion away from the very real fact that the thin veneer of Obamamania is starting to peel away, by leading the discussion into the weeds, where they are most comfortable---the bog of personal attacks and mud-slinging.  And we have let them do it, again.

When there is an argument for a position, that argument is made.

When there isn&#039;t, then an array of fallback positions is dragged out, and in the case of the RRL it is always irrelevant personal attacks.

The argument for the position of the thread is that while overall approval of Obama is still high, though falling, approval ratings for his individual actions and policies are not so good.  The Liberal &quot;response&quot; to this seems to be &quot;So what, polls don&#039;t mean anything, and your momma wears Army boots.&quot;

Yet another triumph for the innate superiority of the Liberal approach to intelligent political discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, the Libs have been trying to deflect the discussion away from the very real fact that the thin veneer of Obamamania is starting to peel away, by leading the discussion into the weeds, where they are most comfortable&#8212;the bog of personal attacks and mud-slinging.  And we have let them do it, again.</p>
<p>When there is an argument for a position, that argument is made.</p>
<p>When there isn&#8217;t, then an array of fallback positions is dragged out, and in the case of the RRL it is always irrelevant personal attacks.</p>
<p>The argument for the position of the thread is that while overall approval of Obama is still high, though falling, approval ratings for his individual actions and policies are not so good.  The Liberal &#8220;response&#8221; to this seems to be &#8220;So what, polls don&#8217;t mean anything, and your momma wears Army boots.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet another triumph for the innate superiority of the Liberal approach to intelligent political discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: luvRu5hh8l1b5</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/21/the-obama-honeymoon-is-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-180295</link>
		<dc:creator>luvRu5hh8l1b5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We should first ban men with extremely low testosterone levels. Know any?&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, at least two come to mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We should first ban men with extremely low testosterone levels. Know any?</i></p>
<p>Yeah, at least two come to mind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: uffy</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/21/the-obama-honeymoon-is-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-180276</link>
		<dc:creator>uffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>poor leadeconomist is playing the victim card.  How precious is that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poor leadeconomist is playing the victim card.  How precious is that!</p>
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		<title>By: cluster</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/21/the-obama-honeymoon-is-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-180229</link>
		<dc:creator>cluster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think lead leaconomist lost his prozac. Either that he is realizing that the der leaders that he thought supported his distorted worldview are frauds.

Or both. Sad little world he lives in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think lead leaconomist lost his prozac. Either that he is realizing that the der leaders that he thought supported his distorted worldview are frauds.</p>
<p>Or both. Sad little world he lives in.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Margolis</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/21/the-obama-honeymoon-is-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-180216</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Margolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leadeconomist,

I do not appreciate your &quot;Since I am soon to be banned from this site ...&quot; b.s. just because you didn&#039;t take few seconds to discover that obama&#039;s approval ratings in various polls have been addressed before on this blog, doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;d be banned. 

Just because you are wrong, doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;d be banned... we have a bunch of liberals commenting here, openly and freely, that have done so for months and years. get over yourself. if you don&#039;t appreciate the open forum here, then you can leave at anytime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leadeconomist,</p>
<p>I do not appreciate your &#8220;Since I am soon to be banned from this site &#8230;&#8221; b.s. just because you didn&#8217;t take few seconds to discover that obama&#8217;s approval ratings in various polls have been addressed before on this blog, doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;d be banned. </p>
<p>Just because you are wrong, doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;d be banned&#8230; we have a bunch of liberals commenting here, openly and freely, that have done so for months and years. get over yourself. if you don&#8217;t appreciate the open forum here, then you can leave at anytime.</p>
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		<title>By: William Teach</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/21/the-obama-honeymoon-is-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-180210</link>
		<dc:creator>William Teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What intrigues me is the disconnect between Obama’s personal approval rating, which is in the 60s, and the approval of his policies, which is tanking. I think this shows the personality factor. When people can say, as so many have, “I don’t like what he is doing but I think he is doing a good job” it is clear that there is some other factor at work, and it has to be the charisma that has always allowed him to skirt criticism of his actions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Way late on this, amazona, but, I think the dynamic is that people are divorcing the personal from the politics. Even from the Conservative side, I doubt many hate or even dislike Obama personally. I don&#039;t. I have no idea what kind of person he actually is, except through reports by others, so, were I polled, I&#039;d probably give him OK marks for that. Not going to personally trash someone I do not know.

But, his policies, ah, that is a different story. Interestingly, you see high marks from Democrats in polls, then, when they get on the &#039;net, talk radio, etc, they are PO&#039;d about the policies, what he is doing, what he isn&#039;t, etc.

 Interestingly, I do not remember polls while Bush was president that separated the two very often. And, Conservatives gave him low policy marks because of the out of control spending, etc. Been down that road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What intrigues me is the disconnect between Obama’s personal approval rating, which is in the 60s, and the approval of his policies, which is tanking. I think this shows the personality factor. When people can say, as so many have, “I don’t like what he is doing but I think he is doing a good job” it is clear that there is some other factor at work, and it has to be the charisma that has always allowed him to skirt criticism of his actions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Way late on this, amazona, but, I think the dynamic is that people are divorcing the personal from the politics. Even from the Conservative side, I doubt many hate or even dislike Obama personally. I don&#8217;t. I have no idea what kind of person he actually is, except through reports by others, so, were I polled, I&#8217;d probably give him OK marks for that. Not going to personally trash someone I do not know.</p>
<p>But, his policies, ah, that is a different story. Interestingly, you see high marks from Democrats in polls, then, when they get on the &#8216;net, talk radio, etc, they are PO&#8217;d about the policies, what he is doing, what he isn&#8217;t, etc.</p>
<p> Interestingly, I do not remember polls while Bush was president that separated the two very often. And, Conservatives gave him low policy marks because of the out of control spending, etc. Been down that road.</p>
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		<title>By: leadeconomist</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/21/the-obama-honeymoon-is-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-180207</link>
		<dc:creator>leadeconomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I am soon to be banned from this site I feel I am able to speak my mind on a number of matters. How in the (expletive deleted) do you people sit here and claim piety and then go out into the world every day? Do you talk about these matters at work or do you whore up to have a home and things only to vent your true feelings here online? 

Arcitc Fox save yourself and leave these miserable dodgers to their morality meetings and right wing revivals. it will come to nothing because in the end they will just die off be forgotten like all things and leave nothing but questions for the historians. And we all know the victors write history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I am soon to be banned from this site I feel I am able to speak my mind on a number of matters. How in the (expletive deleted) do you people sit here and claim piety and then go out into the world every day? Do you talk about these matters at work or do you whore up to have a home and things only to vent your true feelings here online? </p>
<p>Arcitc Fox save yourself and leave these miserable dodgers to their morality meetings and right wing revivals. it will come to nothing because in the end they will just die off be forgotten like all things and leave nothing but questions for the historians. And we all know the victors write history.</p>
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		<title>By: cam1</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/21/the-obama-honeymoon-is-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-180200</link>
		<dc:creator>cam1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How would that work exactly? What steps would be involved in you, cluster, starting impeachment proceedings against the President of the United States of America&quot;
-CO

Don&#039;t worry CO.  Just like their solutions to the Iran problem, the righties have no idea how to actually carry out their plans for impeachment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How would that work exactly? What steps would be involved in you, cluster, starting impeachment proceedings against the President of the United States of America&#8221;<br />
-CO</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry CO.  Just like their solutions to the Iran problem, the righties have no idea how to actually carry out their plans for impeachment.</p>
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		<title>By: uffy</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/21/the-obama-honeymoon-is-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-180197</link>
		<dc:creator>uffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frenchstudent:  You obviously suffer from a mental disorder called &quot;echolalia&quot; where you continually repeat yourself.  It is getting old on every article that is posted on this blog.  I would hate to have your progeny...that is if you haven&#039;t killed them all off-- suffer from the same mental disorder.  

Dictator Obama should be impeached.  He has broken the law and the Constitution.  The USA was made great b/c of capitalism.  The free markets work.  The Marxist Kenyan piece of crap should be impeached and then hung for treason right along side his corrupt DEM admin.  All Czars of Liars, Traitors, and Corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frenchstudent:  You obviously suffer from a mental disorder called &#8220;echolalia&#8221; where you continually repeat yourself.  It is getting old on every article that is posted on this blog.  I would hate to have your progeny&#8230;that is if you haven&#8217;t killed them all off&#8211; suffer from the same mental disorder.  </p>
<p>Dictator Obama should be impeached.  He has broken the law and the Constitution.  The USA was made great b/c of capitalism.  The free markets work.  The Marxist Kenyan piece of crap should be impeached and then hung for treason right along side his corrupt DEM admin.  All Czars of Liars, Traitors, and Corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: cluster</title>
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		<dc:creator>cluster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frenchie,

I guess in the absence of any real solutions to current world problems, you, like CO, engage in mindless queries you already know the answers to. 

Why is that? Poorly educated? Bored? Stupid?

Please help me out here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frenchie,</p>
<p>I guess in the absence of any real solutions to current world problems, you, like CO, engage in mindless queries you already know the answers to. </p>
<p>Why is that? Poorly educated? Bored? Stupid?</p>
<p>Please help me out here.</p>
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