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		<title>By: fr00tn00b</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/26/representative-conyers-resign/comment-page-1/#comment-182089</link>
		<dc:creator>fr00tn00b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, observer, that&#039;s actually very perceptive of you.  I&#039;m impressed.  But of course I&#039;m bound to be biased (so are you, and cluster, you too).  

What I actually wish for is more than two parties...the range of problems/issues and scope of each problem/issue as well as methods for solving them is too broad and complicated for two parties to embody all ideas.  Besides, each party has a set ideology, so you don&#039;t find all that many Republicans who support even a few Democratic ideals, and the same for Democrats: very few of us (at least in my experience) are more than just a little conservative.

But given the current state of things, I cast my lot with Obama, and don&#039;t really care how compromising he is or not, as long as I like what the government&#039;s doing.  I say the same thing for Bush-- but I didn&#039;t like what his government did at all.  Am I making sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, observer, that&#8217;s actually very perceptive of you.  I&#8217;m impressed.  But of course I&#8217;m bound to be biased (so are you, and cluster, you too).  </p>
<p>What I actually wish for is more than two parties&#8230;the range of problems/issues and scope of each problem/issue as well as methods for solving them is too broad and complicated for two parties to embody all ideas.  Besides, each party has a set ideology, so you don&#8217;t find all that many Republicans who support even a few Democratic ideals, and the same for Democrats: very few of us (at least in my experience) are more than just a little conservative.</p>
<p>But given the current state of things, I cast my lot with Obama, and don&#8217;t really care how compromising he is or not, as long as I like what the government&#8217;s doing.  I say the same thing for Bush&#8211; but I didn&#8217;t like what his government did at all.  Am I making sense?</p>
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		<title>By: casper</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/26/representative-conyers-resign/comment-page-1/#comment-181876</link>
		<dc:creator>casper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Again, how many brown shirts do you own tool?&quot;

A couple, but I&#039;m more into brown coats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browncoat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Again, how many brown shirts do you own tool?&#8221;</p>
<p>A couple, but I&#8217;m more into brown coats.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browncoat" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browncoat</a></p>
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		<title>By: cluster</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/26/representative-conyers-resign/comment-page-1/#comment-181875</link>
		<dc:creator>cluster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;You’ve totally converted me, given your irrefutable logic, and clear results from past policies - fr00tn00b&lt;/b&gt;


It was the only response merited by your inane and unfounded  assertion. Unless you actually thought that was an enlightened comment, which wouldn&#039;t surprise me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>You’ve totally converted me, given your irrefutable logic, and clear results from past policies &#8211; fr00tn00b</b></p>
<p>It was the only response merited by your inane and unfounded  assertion. Unless you actually thought that was an enlightened comment, which wouldn&#8217;t surprise me.</p>
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		<title>By: observer20</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/26/representative-conyers-resign/comment-page-1/#comment-181872</link>
		<dc:creator>observer20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fr00tn00b,

It is interesting to note that, with bipartisanship, a president can be both criticized and praised by the same person at the same time.

If he truly does compromise, praise Obama for reaching across the isle and being above touting the party line and all that, while at the same time chastising him for giving in to foolish wishes of the other side and not living up to expectation.  If he does not compromise, praise him for being true to his virtues or whatever, while at the same time label him a partisan hack and tool of the corrupt two-party system.  Same thing can be said for Bush.  You cannot win on this.

Which duality of ideas do you hold?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fr00tn00b,</p>
<p>It is interesting to note that, with bipartisanship, a president can be both criticized and praised by the same person at the same time.</p>
<p>If he truly does compromise, praise Obama for reaching across the isle and being above touting the party line and all that, while at the same time chastising him for giving in to foolish wishes of the other side and not living up to expectation.  If he does not compromise, praise him for being true to his virtues or whatever, while at the same time label him a partisan hack and tool of the corrupt two-party system.  Same thing can be said for Bush.  You cannot win on this.</p>
<p>Which duality of ideas do you hold?</p>
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		<title>By: fr00tn00b</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/26/representative-conyers-resign/comment-page-1/#comment-181841</link>
		<dc:creator>fr00tn00b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that only an Arnold Schwarzenegger Terminator quote would be good enough to answer you, and it would get deleted, so I won&#039;t post it.  Just use your imagination.  (No, it&#039;s not, &quot;I&#039;ll be back&quot;.)

But cluster, what an eloquent and persuasive defence of conservatism you offer there.  You&#039;ve totally converted me, given your irrefutable logic, and clear results from past policies.

(Not)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that only an Arnold Schwarzenegger Terminator quote would be good enough to answer you, and it would get deleted, so I won&#8217;t post it.  Just use your imagination.  (No, it&#8217;s not, &#8220;I&#8217;ll be back&#8221;.)</p>
<p>But cluster, what an eloquent and persuasive defence of conservatism you offer there.  You&#8217;ve totally converted me, given your irrefutable logic, and clear results from past policies.</p>
<p>(Not)</p>
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		<title>By: cluster</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/26/representative-conyers-resign/comment-page-1/#comment-181839</link>
		<dc:creator>cluster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;And who cares whether Obama’s non-partisan or not? Given that most Republican ideas are complete failures that do harm to America,... -  fr00tn00b&lt;/b&gt;


Again, how many brown shirts do you own tool?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>And who cares whether Obama’s non-partisan or not? Given that most Republican ideas are complete failures that do harm to America,&#8230; &#8211;  fr00tn00b</b></p>
<p>Again, how many brown shirts do you own tool?</p>
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		<title>By: fr00tn00b</title>
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		<dc:creator>fr00tn00b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And who cares whether Obama&#039;s non-partisan or not?  Given that most Republican ideas are complete failures that do harm to America, I&#039;d rather see him be completely nutso extremist lefty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who cares whether Obama&#8217;s non-partisan or not?  Given that most Republican ideas are complete failures that do harm to America, I&#8217;d rather see him be completely nutso extremist lefty.</p>
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		<title>By: fr00tn00b</title>
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		<dc:creator>fr00tn00b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, both parties work that way, and if you don&#039;t think so, you&#039;re too much of an optimist.  I said leave Obama out in your answer to the question of whether Bush was non-partisan or not, not to completely stop criticism of Obama.  I just didn&#039;t want to see something like this:

&quot;&quot;Tell me, do you really believe Bush was non-partisan?&quot;

--fr00tn00b

Well Obama blah blah blah.

--you&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, both parties work that way, and if you don&#8217;t think so, you&#8217;re too much of an optimist.  I said leave Obama out in your answer to the question of whether Bush was non-partisan or not, not to completely stop criticism of Obama.  I just didn&#8217;t want to see something like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;Tell me, do you really believe Bush was non-partisan?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;fr00tn00b</p>
<p>Well Obama blah blah blah.</p>
<p>&#8211;you&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tiredoflibbs</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/26/representative-conyers-resign/comment-page-1/#comment-181824</link>
		<dc:creator>tiredoflibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>froot,

Bush made non-partisan efforts to &quot;reach across the aisle&quot; with legislation that I listed and which you added to with your PS. Now, you want to leave Obamateur out of it, when you claimed that Obamateur was more compromising than Bush?

It doesn&#039;t work that way.  But when can we expect liberals to be fair when history has shown us otherwise?  Obamateur has shown us nothing but his hard left ideology and the desire to grow the power of the federal government.  His &quot;compromises&quot; are in name only and has labeled the Republicans as the &quot;Party of No&quot;.  When the Obamateur was in the &quot;party of no&quot; he and his fellow obstructionists were only &quot;looking to protect the rights of the minority party&quot;.

The liberals, as in the case of Conyers, play by their own rules.  When the other party does the same as they did, they are another set of rules entirely for them.  If there was ever any consistency in DC, many liberals would be out on the streets looking for another job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>froot,</p>
<p>Bush made non-partisan efforts to &#8220;reach across the aisle&#8221; with legislation that I listed and which you added to with your PS. Now, you want to leave Obamateur out of it, when you claimed that Obamateur was more compromising than Bush?</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t work that way.  But when can we expect liberals to be fair when history has shown us otherwise?  Obamateur has shown us nothing but his hard left ideology and the desire to grow the power of the federal government.  His &#8220;compromises&#8221; are in name only and has labeled the Republicans as the &#8220;Party of No&#8221;.  When the Obamateur was in the &#8220;party of no&#8221; he and his fellow obstructionists were only &#8220;looking to protect the rights of the minority party&#8221;.</p>
<p>The liberals, as in the case of Conyers, play by their own rules.  When the other party does the same as they did, they are another set of rules entirely for them.  If there was ever any consistency in DC, many liberals would be out on the streets looking for another job.</p>
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		<title>By: cam1</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/06/26/representative-conyers-resign/comment-page-1/#comment-181796</link>
		<dc:creator>cam1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see you have come around on the investigation issue, Mark.  I say investigate in earnest.  There are a lot of things we could find.  But don&#039;t point out that nothing is getting done because of all of the investigations as your side has in the past.  As soon as Karl Rove is rotting in the basement, we will know we are on the right path.  Who knows, it would likely lead to a whole lineup of convictions of former Bush officials.  Let&#039;s get started, this should be fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see you have come around on the investigation issue, Mark.  I say investigate in earnest.  There are a lot of things we could find.  But don&#8217;t point out that nothing is getting done because of all of the investigations as your side has in the past.  As soon as Karl Rove is rotting in the basement, we will know we are on the right path.  Who knows, it would likely lead to a whole lineup of convictions of former Bush officials.  Let&#8217;s get started, this should be fun.</p>
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