Obama Sides With Castro, Chavez on Honduras
Tags: Foreign Leaders, Latin America.
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As a matter of course, when you’re on the side of those two guys, you’ve probably got it very wrong on a fundamental level:
Obama says coup in Honduras is illegal
U.S. President Barack Obama said on Monday the coup that ousted Honduran President Manuel Zelaya was illegal and would set a “terrible precedent” of transition by military force unless it was reversed.
“We believe that the coup was not legal and that President Zelaya remains the president of Honduras, the democratically elected president there,” Obama told reporters after an Oval Office meeting with Colombian President Alvaro Uribe.
Fidel Castro Denounces Honduran Coup
Havana, Cuba (AHN) – While the United States, European Union and Organization of American States have each condemned the coup in Honduras, former Cuban President Fidel Castro has also spoken out against the military’s “blatantly reactionary attempt to prevent an important popular referendum.”
As if Castro would ever hold a referendum on his beastly rule.
Now, Chavez:
Hugo Chavez said in a formal statement that Zelaya had been “violently expelled from his country by a group of unpatriotic, coup-mongering soldiers.”
Says the man who tried to force through a Hitlerian enabling act…
Bottom line, if these two creeps are against it, I’m at least provisionally for it…and Obama should decide who’s friendship he wants…that of a couple commie thugs, or that of the people of the region?
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20 Responses to “Obama Sides With Castro, Chavez on Honduras”
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I think the real reason for Obama coming out against the military coup is because he has concerns that it could happen to him. He is bringing this country down the wrong path and if he goes too far the military could very well have to oust him.
Hey, I can always go with Hopeychangey myself
I’m not a legal scholar, and my spanish isn’t all that good, but as I understand the situation the president of Honduras wanted to ammend the constitution through referendum(majority vote of the people). It took me about 10 minutes to look up the Honduran constitution and find these parts. And it’s pretty clear on this issue.
ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Designado.
Translation: anyone that previously held the position of executive power(like the president, or someone appointed), can’t be the president again.
ARTICULO 373.- La reforma de esta Constitución podrá decretarse por el Congreso Nacional, en sesiones ordinarias, con dos tercios de votos de la totalidad de sus miembros. El decreto señalará al efecto el artículo o artículos que hayan de reformarse, debiendo ratificarse por la subsiguiente legislatura ordinaria, por igual número de votos, para que entre en vigencia.
Translation: Reform of the constitution, in ordinary sesions, takes 2/3 vote of the national congess. It has to indicate what it’s going to change, and has to be rattified by the subsequent legislature by an equal number of votes to happen.
ARTICULO 374.- No podrán reformarse, en ningún caso, el artículo anterior, el presente artículo, los artículos constitucionales que se refieren a la forma de gobierno, al territorio nacional, al período presidencial, a la prohibición para ser nuevamente Presidente de la República, el ciudadano que lo haya desempeñado bajo cualquier título y el referente a quienes no pueden ser Presidentes de la República por el período subsiguiente.
Translation: You cannot change IN ANY CASE, this article, the previous article, articles that refer to the form of government, the national teritory, THE PRESIDENTIAL PERIOD, THE PROHIBITIONS TO BEING A NEW PRESIDENT, OR THE PROHIBITIONS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE HELD CERTIAN TITLES TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT(like the current president).
Then Obama says …
“We believe that the coup was not legal and that President Zelaya remains the president of Honduras, the democratically elected president there”
It’s clear as day that the Honduran president attempted an illegal changing of the constitution for the sake of personal usurpation of power.
Or am I missing something? I don’t follow Honduran politics much.
anarchist,
That does seem to be the case – though none of us, I think, are fit to render a definitive judgment on the matter. This is not a cut-and-dried thing like Iran where tyrants are usurping the rights of the people, and it is disturbing that Obama has been so quick to condemn this action and was so slow in mentioning the events in Iran.
It doesn’t surprise me one bit that Obama sides with those whose aim to sidestep a legitimate constitution of a legitimate country and whose people have a right to safe itself from a crooked leftist sympathizer who’s aim is to have a democratic Honduras mimic its government to that of what Chavez has done with Venezuela.
I hope our generals and admirals remember that they took an oath to uphold OUR Constitution and not an oath to a president and God forbid if ever the time comes that our Constitution starts to become irrelevant because of shenanigans of those in Washington. If ever that time comes, may our military also do the right thing such as what the Honduran military has done this week.
Dictator Obama and Frau Hillary show their true sides. Hondurans want freedom and democracy. Amazing that this out of touch US Pres wouldn’t meddle in the Iranian’s protest, but will now meddle in Honduras against freedom and democracy. Now watch all the tea baggin swamp donkeys defend Obama.
Still to early to be sure, but it looks like technically, Obama may be incorrect on this one. He is seeing this, I believe through the lens of the US Constitution. However, as I understand it, the military has jurisdiction in deciding what is constitutional or not in Honduras. They are given primacy in the Honduran Constitution as I understand it.
“Dictator Obama”
Why do you say that?
RE: Why do you say that?
Obama is what you might call a Marxist imperialist, where he extends his power or dominion over the political life of other areas influenced by his communist beliefs.
I am with you on this jeremiah06. I believe in time history will write Obama off as what he really is, an outright socialist Marxist.
This place is conflation central. Thank you Mark for that stirring imitation of Joe McCarthy for the edification of all. However, All three of those esteemed leaders are correct because the coup is illegal just as the actions attempted by Zelaya to alter the Honduran Constitution are illegal [as explained to me by a local legal mind of note]. The Honduran people are marching in the streets against the kidnapping of Presidente Zelaya as well they should. World leaders and political pundits from the four corners of political debate are condemning the actions of the Honduran Junta and unless you support actions like a coup d’etat over the democratic process of Impeachment I suggest you do the same.
“unless you support actions like a coup d’etat over the democratic process of Impeachment I suggest you do the same.”
Now I think thats a bit over the top..IMO it seems to me that Mr. Zelaya was illegally trying to usurp power..I could be wrong, I too dont know much about Honduran politics so I’d be very willing to admit Im wrong..
I dont think anyone here supports the idea of a military Junta removing a democratically elected president…and using a coup d’etat instead of the impeachment process..But once again..I dont live in Honduras
Frankly, if the people of Honduras are that upset about him being removed…(and want him to remain in office)…then let them have him back..
ahhh, a new one namely – “Marxist imperialist”
so in wingnut poly sci…
…obama is a fascist/socialist/marxist imperialist all at once.
truely remarkable & worthy of a dissertation!
North Korea launches a missile and it takes Barack Obama and the UN five days to respond. Iran holds fraudulent elections, kills protesters and it takes weeks before Barack Obama can stand up and say that he is “concerned” about the situation.
Then the people of Honduras try to uphold their constitution and laws of the land from being trampled by a Chavez-wanna be … and it takes Barack Obama one day to proclaim that this was not a legal coup.
Why the sudden decisiveness? Where were these strong opinions on foreign matters when Iranian authorities were trampling protestors and cutting off media access to the outside world? Where was this decisiveness when Kim Jong Ill decided that he was going to launch missiles toward Hawaii on the Fourth of July? Why … NOW … is Obama suddenly speaking out loudly
How about a little background. Are you really sure you know what has been going on in Honduras? Do you think that this was simply a coup? Let me give you a rough outline here, and then you can sit back and wonder just why PrezBO is in the weeds with Chavez and Castro on this one.
Mel Zelaya is, or was, the President of Honduras. He and Hugo Chaves were tight. So tight, it seems, that Zelaya wanted to emulate Hugo by changing the Honduran constitution to allow him to run for office until he durned well gets tired of it.
To change the constitution in Honduras you have to convene a constituent assembly. The president cannot do that. The Honduran congress must approve a national referendum calling for the constituent assembly to consider changes to the constitution. Zelaya didn’t like the part about the constitution requiring approval of the congress before a national referendum could be called. So … he decided to call one on his own.
OK .. so here we have President Zelaya calling for a national referendum when he doesn’t have the power to do so. The next problem is obtaining ballots! Since the Honduran congress had not called for the referendum, as required by the constitution, the government certainly wasn’t going to print the ballots! After all, how smart would it be to print ballots for an illegal referendum? So … Zelaya had to get the ballots printed elsewhere. Here’s an idea! Get his pall Hugo Chavez to print them! Yes! That will work!
So Chaves prints Zelaya’s ballots and they’re shipped to Honduras. Enter the Honduran Supreme Court. The court considers Zelaya’s election in light of the requirements of the Honduran constitution, and rules the referendum illegal and unconstitutional. The court then issues an order to the Honduran military telling them not to do the logistical work associated with Zelaya’s phony referendum. Remember, now … all of this has one primary goal. To get rid of the term limits limiting Zelaya’s rule in Honduras.
After the supreme court’s decision, General Romeo Velasquez tells President Zelaya that he is subject to a proper order from the Supreme Court and will not be able to carry out Zelaya’s referendum. So … Zelaya fires him. The Supreme Court orders Zelaya to reinstate Velasquez, and Zelaya refuses to do so.
At this point Zelaya’s ego is getting the better of him. If the military won’t run his illegal referendum, he’ll just do it himself. He gins up a mob and leads them to the military compound where Hugo’s ballots are stored and then has his supporters begin distributing the ballots to the masses.
Based on the Supreme Court’s ruling the Honduran attorney general said that the proposed referendum was illegal and said that he would arrest anyone attempting to carry out the election. Zelaya was arrested by the military and was escorted out of the country.
Now … does this sound like a military coup-de-etat to you? The attorney general and the military were operating in accordance with the Honduran rule of law. They acted under a valid court order. Coup? The Honduran congress has convened and designated a successor president, all in accordance with the Honduran Constitution. Military coup? The presidential elections set for November .. the election that Zelaya was trying to get around … will go on as scheduled. A blow for democracy?
Fidel Castro, Daniel Noriega, Hugo Chavez … all on the side of Zelaya. But Obama? Obama fighting against the rule of law and for a wannabe dictator? What gives?
tiredoflibbs says:
June 30th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
None of what you say makes it legal for the Army to remove Zelaya by force. The National Congress has the vested power of Impeachment and they should have used it instead of the military.
tiredoflibbs says:
June 30th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
What you are effectively saying is that had Bush decided in May of 2008 that he didn’t want to leave and he had ballots printed in Israel for an illegal national referendum to repeal the 23rd amendment you would have been okay with the Marines removing Bush from office, taking him to Bermuda and appointing Nancy Pelosi as president?
tiredoflibbs says:
June 30th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Unless you are Neal Boortz I suggest you give the man credit for his own ideas no matter how lunatic or unproven. There’s never any reason to plagiarize except to make an ass of one’s self.
so in wingnut poly sci…
…obama is a fascist/socialist/marxist imperialist all at once.
Also, he’s a democratically elected dictator–neato!
“None of what you say makes it legal for the Army to remove Zelaya by force. The National Congress has the vested power of Impeachment and they should have used it instead of the military.”
lead, as usual, you have a reading comprehension problem. But you only have your opinion in that regard.
“What you are effectively saying is that had Bush decided in May of 2008 that he didn’t want to leave and he had ballots printed in Israel for an illegal national referendum to repeal the 23rd amendment you would have been okay with the Marines removing Bush from office, taking him to Bermuda and appointing Nancy Pelosi as president?”
Moot. Bush isn’t President. That is not the law here.
Plagiarize? Oh, you mean like Franken, Obamateur, and many other leftist politicians who are labeled great eloquent speakers and are nothing of the sort? Make an a$$? Naw, I’ll leave that in your “capable” hands, you seem to succeed at it constantly. I won’t take that from you.
But you do have experienced competition in that regard: “Also, he’s a democratically elected dictator–neato!”
Lets see if this has any connection….Hitler was also legally elected by the German people. I won’t compare Obama to Hitler, he’s more inline with Mussulini. Our great leader Il Duce Obama fires people that goes against his socialist plans and whom has the nerve and audacity to investigate and find discrepancies into one of the Il Duce’s supporters who worked for Americorp ..hello, former inspector general Gerald Walpin.
IL Duce Obama says he’s no socialist but takes over private industries….hello GM…..then say’s he doesn’t run the companies he takes over….but fires its CEO …ummm suggests to its CEO, Wagner to resign. He then gifts GM to one of his largest union supporters the UAW union who backed him up and which only had a 10% stake in the company before the government takeover but gave the UAW over 50% ownership rights….bond holders….your out of luck. We now have more czars then Russia ever had ( I lost count at 14) and these czar wield more power then his own cabinet posts. These czars are picked by Il Duceer Obama, at a salary dictated by Obama and at the mercy of Obama. Gee, I wonder how he can legally make up these government posts.
The leftists Il Duce supporters have so much emotion invested in Il Duce that they don’t see what happening around them….kind of reminds me of all the Jews who voted for Adolf Hitler in the early 1930’s.
Oh…and leadeconomist…. its the 22nd amendment not the 23rd amendment that limits the presidents term. I believe the 23rd amendment is in the making as you read this, I think it will be to repeal the 22nd amendment so il duce can be our leader for as long as he wants.
Please see Representative José Serrano (D)NY bill H.J. Res. 5. (with a name like José Serrano he must have Irish roots…lol).
Wrong. Zelaya’s referendum did not call for the assembly to convene. It was non-binding, and would have only sanctioned the future calling of the referendum described in the constitution.