Phrase of the Day
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July 24th, 2009 at 06:44am with
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The answer to the “if you don’t want Obamacare, you want people to die” sort of liberal argument:
Thank you for visiting Blogs For Victory. If you enjoy our content, please consider making a donation to help us cover the costs of our servers.Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. – Frederic Bastiat
Mark Noonan is co-author (with Matt Margolis) of Caucus of Corruption: The Truth About The New Democratic Majority. He also blogs at Nevada News and Views. Follow Mark on Twitter.
16 Responses to “Phrase of the Day”
Caucus of Corruption
Really, your insistence that in a business that basically takes you money to give it back to you when youu are sick, a for-profit system is the best there is continues to astound me.
I’ll put it in terms you can understand then, and talk about mone, since apparently healing the sick does not strike a chord.
the business of heath care companies is basically taking your money when you are healthy, and giving back what you need when you are not.
Now in the case of a private company, you have to pay dividends for the shareholders.
If you did not have to do that, that’s money that would not leave the system. Money that could go either to delivering more care (as in, letting people join that are a greater risk, or getting rid of these people whose job it is to find aloophole and get the company out of the obligatuion of paying you) or lowering the premiums. In either case, you’d get better service for your money.
Face it. For profit systems are not enthralled at the idea of giving you your money back. they’d muche rahter keep it and make more, you’ve got it, profit.
Capitalism does not give them any incentive to give you a better service. Capitalism gives them the incentive to get rid of you the day before you fall ill, and never let you join if you are.
Capitalism is wonderful when it comes to driving people to make shinier toys, faster cars, better tools. Capitalism sucks when the point is to give people their money back.
Eugenics is basically what Hitler’s Nazi regime worshipped via their final solution. It’s a concept of population control where the Government decides who can live and who can breed… and who cannot be allowed to breed.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg is Jewish and one would think that she might find such a concept repulsive. But the abortion rights movement heralded by the BS decision in Roe v. Wade is more about eugenics then it is about a woman’s right to choose. And on July 7, 2009 Ginsburg confirmed what many suspected of her – that she’s a eugenic proliferating skank.
Check her comment given to the New York Times:
Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.
What populations are you speaking of you horn rimmed freak show? There’s not much else I can say about this crap except that the New York Times journalist – Emily Bazelon – failed to do her damn job and follow up on the alarming answer given by Ginsburg.
I got news for you Ginsburg, your shit stinks bad, just as the shit emanating from every other race. All shit stinks. Yours isn’t pretty. It doesn’t taste good. It doesn’t smell like roses. Your shit stinks, girl. I know that might be hard for you to accept, but I suggest getting your nose all up in it sometime and have a wake up call.
Who breeds and who doesn’t isn’t up to you and it never will be. You’ve already lost. Home is calling. He’s waiting for you. Got the sauna ready… and the air conditioning unit is permanently broken. Word.
socialism just isnt cool
this takes the cake when it comes down to the libtard position on Roe vs Wade….its trumps the entire SCOTUS case and screams for justice….
Frederic Bastiat hates socialism like:
federal, state, & city highways
the military
police & fire depts
the space program
insurance (pooled risk)
red state agricultural subsidies
the national forests, parks, & rec areas
hydro power fm govt built dams
…where to stop…
orrin, as usual, is clueless and eager to broadcast his ignorance. I would go through his goofball list of “socialist” programs, yet again, but why bother? He lacks both the intellectual capacity to understand simple and basic definitions and the integrity to try to learn what is true and what isn’t.
The only reason I even bother with these silly mindless trolls is because of a belief that there are people who read this blog because it is a highly respected conservative blog and they want to see what conservatives have to say. Not only are the orrins and such beyond redemption, politically and intellectually speaking (I’ll leave the spiritual decisions to the Big Guy) they are totally irrelevant, except as a source of foolishness, spite, malice, and outright lies—object lessons for the curious on just what the Rabid Radical Left has to offer. ( I am always expecting to get letters of outrage posted here, complaining that Matt and Mark are purposely planting the stupidest and most offensive posts possible, pretending they are from Lefties, in an effort to ridicule the Left. But no, folks—we couldn’t make this stuff up.)
amazona says: July 24th, 2009 at 11:08 am
ur right, the only hope for me is in a socialistic psych ward like bathesda then spiritual redemption at socialistic National cathedral.
Insurance plans, frenchie, are voluntary programs by which people CHOOSE to spread risk among a class of people. Nothing is confiscated for redistribution by a government entity, and what monies ARE redistributed, according to the rules of the insurance company, are paid out to those who participate.
And it is sheer foolishness to claim that any company’s purpose should be to “give people their money back”. A successful insurance company will have its actuaries figure how much demand is likely to be made on the funds avaliable through this voluntary participation and subsequent investment of those funds, and upon those figures assess a probable rate of profit. Competition in a free market will determine that a company which does not pay its claims, or in any other way falls short of industry standards, will get less business, and that another company can charge less for its voluntary participation and still make a reasonable profit through better business practices and/or economy of scale by lowering the per-client profit ration but having more clients.
A system which has a captive participation base, with no options, with mandatory participation, which is guaranteed its revenue no matter how poorly it performs, which is not subject to any of the pressures of competition, is not motivated to provide excellence. It’s like the DMV. Don’t like the way we issue licenses? Tough. Where ya gonna go?
Whereas reasonable regulation of private insurance, such as preventing collusion among companies to create the same “where ya gonna go” scenario as the government plan, will provide a better outcome, choice for participants, and provide the pressure to outperform the competition.
In addition, there is a long and unbroken history of government programs being rife with fraud, incompetence, and waste. The vast overruns in Medicare and Medicaid are not just due to an aging society—they are due to fraud, incompetence, and waste at the government level and a disinclination to investigate and prosecute fraud at the provider level. The Magical Thinking behind the hope/belief that somehow, SOMEHOW, government-run health care above and beyond Medicare and Medicaid will just be better is the height of foolish wishful thinking.
Tell you what—get those two progams under control, run efficiently and frugally, providing what they promised to provide at the cost promised, and then come back with a plan to expand government health care into other areas.
see what I mean about orrin? Dumb as a box of hair. But useful in the overall scheme of things, if only as a teaching tool—”see, kiddies, what happens when you take too many drugs? Be careful or this can happen to YOU.”
And then there is modeling for those meth billboards.
I would go through his goofball list of “socialist” programs, yet again, but why bother?
Why bother indeed? It’s not as though you know what “socialism” is. You just think it’s a nice boogeyman to throw around.
PS: You were totally right about the birth certificate–he’s Kenyan!
The only reason I even bother with these silly mindless trolls is because of a belief that there are people who read this blog because it is a highly respected conservative blog and they want to see what conservatives have to say…amazona
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Yes, amazona, I’m sure there are people who read this blog just so they can see what highly respected conservatives such as yourself, js02, cluster and the rest are saying.
No doubt they are bowled over when reading about the many virtues you possess, amazona, and appreciate the trouble you go to in tying to find every opportunity in which to extol them. Your generosity in allowing others who may have a different point of view a chance to debate the issue is also something they would be grateful for.
french,
You read the quote, and then immediately confirm it – because we don’t want Obamacare, we must not want to help people in health care at all. Bastiat is an admirable fellow but, in the end, he is too libertarian for me to use him as a model…but, truth is truth and Bastiat spoke volumes of it: and in this case, he was 100% accurate.
The first thing for you to remember is that there is no right to health care. You do not have the right to command medical professionals to treat you or others. Unless you are willing to oppress, you cannot have a single-payer system. No matter how you slice it up, if you have single-payer you will be either commanding people to do things they’d rather not and/or denying people things they ought to have. As a free man, the very concept is thus out of the question for me – I will not enslave my fellow Americans, even with golden chains in a comfortable cell.
That said, as a Christian I must find some way to ensure that people are able to obtain both basic health care, and catastrophic health care, even if they are unable to pay the total or partial cost of this. The answer, of course, is to give – to give, myself, and to ask others to give, as well…and then set up a system which allows full scope to generosity and incentive for spontaneous cooperation (we don’t community organize here, French; we rely upon the good sense and good will of the people to carry this off on their own – I know that it is terrifying to think of people making their own decisions – other than about sex and body piercings, that is – but have courage, my good man, have courage). I’ve got some plans bubbling in the thing I use for a brain to address this very thing, but you’ll have to wait for the Announcement as I haven’t refined them to the point where I want them for general consumption.
it is a source of constant amazement, & humor, that wingnuts dont believe that corporate socialism exists…like say tax abatement, subsidises, or offloading health care expenses on the taxpayer.
just another example that wingnuts & single-issue southern socials are NOT true conservatives.
ps – I’ve decided that it is a worthwhile mission to cojole, shame, & assist the gop to purge itself of religious fanatics & wingnuts.
ohio,
America’s large corporations are courtesy of liberalism – if you want them reformed, you’re not going to be able to do it until you apologize to us socials, southern and otherwise, and beg re-admittance in to the one party which can get the job done.
America’s large corporations are courtesy of liberalism
I’d say this is some sort of joke, but I know how hard you endeavor to make the world fit your bass-ackward world view (instead of vice-versa) and how that effort necessarily leads to ridiculous statements like the above.
It’s easy to understand Mark’s perspective. All his problems are caused by other people. Those people are bad. Bad people are all liberal (without exception).
I imagine he believes that if he could only destroy everyone who’s not like him, the world would be perfect. That would be freedom to him.
He’ll probably respond that he’s a sinner, falls short of the glory, blah blah blah blah.
Bull… I’ve been reading this blog for years, and it’s crystal clear that Mark attributes the world’s problems to anyone who doesn’t believe as he does. It’s their fault, not his.
orlando,
You should look carefully in to just how GM, Ford and Chrysler got so big.
guy,
No, I freely admit to my large roll in the massive stupidity of our society. I went along with it and/or actually supported it for most of my life. The best place anyone can look for the source of our problems is in the bathroom mirror.
The difference between you and I is that I admit the error, you don’t.