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	<title>Comments on: What Media Bias?  Part 154</title>
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	<description>Where Defeat Is Not An Option</description>
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		<title>By: Sergei Andropov</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/07/24/what-media-bias-part-154/comment-page-1/#comment-186756</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergei Andropov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Which, in a way, is precisely what they did&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since you seem to have missed it the first time:

&lt;blockquote&gt;o usando medios o procedimientos que quebranten &lt;b&gt;o desconozcan&lt;/b&gt; lo que esta Constitución y las leyes establecen.

or through means and procedures that violate those set forth by the Constitution and the law, &lt;b&gt;or that are not found therein.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The fact that you do not like Zelaya, and the strong possibility that he was going to commit an impeachable offense, do not change the fact that his removal was a blatant violation of the Honduran Constitution.  The rest of the government knew what it was supposed to do.  They decided instead to sic the Army after him.  They have therefore lost the right to call themselves a government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Which, in a way, is precisely what they did</p></blockquote>
<p>Since you seem to have missed it the first time:</p>
<blockquote><p>o usando medios o procedimientos que quebranten <b>o desconozcan</b> lo que esta Constitución y las leyes establecen.</p>
<p>or through means and procedures that violate those set forth by the Constitution and the law, <b>or that are not found therein.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>The fact that you do not like Zelaya, and the strong possibility that he was going to commit an impeachable offense, do not change the fact that his removal was a blatant violation of the Honduran Constitution.  The rest of the government knew what it was supposed to do.  They decided instead to sic the Army after him.  They have therefore lost the right to call themselves a government.</p>
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		<title>By: William Teach</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/07/24/what-media-bias-part-154/comment-page-1/#comment-186631</link>
		<dc:creator>William Teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last part is interesting. &quot;White clad demonstrators.&quot; Looks like AFP was going for the KKK racism method. Of course, most KKK members were Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last part is interesting. &#8220;White clad demonstrators.&#8221; Looks like AFP was going for the KKK racism method. Of course, most KKK members were Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: bozo</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/07/24/what-media-bias-part-154/comment-page-1/#comment-186614</link>
		<dc:creator>bozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big banner they&#039;re parading behind says &quot;Honduras - the first and the last of Chavez.&quot;

???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big banner they&#8217;re parading behind says &#8220;Honduras &#8211; the first and the last of Chavez.&#8221;</p>
<p>???</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Noonan</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/07/24/what-media-bias-part-154/comment-page-1/#comment-186604</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sergei,

Which, in a way, is precisely what they did - and if the Honduran authorities style Micheletti as President, I&#039;m not going to dispute them - just as I don&#039;t dispute Chavez&#039; title, even though he&#039;s clearly a tyrant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergei,</p>
<p>Which, in a way, is precisely what they did &#8211; and if the Honduran authorities style Micheletti as President, I&#8217;m not going to dispute them &#8211; just as I don&#8217;t dispute Chavez&#8217; title, even though he&#8217;s clearly a tyrant.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergei Andropov</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/07/24/what-media-bias-part-154/comment-page-1/#comment-186603</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergei Andropov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strike&gt;their leader&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;i&gt;President&lt;/i&gt; Roberto Micheletti.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How is Micheletti the President?  Zelaya has not resigned.  He has not been convicted of any crime.  Although the process to remove him was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lavanguardia.es/internacional/noticias/20090627/53732813595/el-congreso-hondureno-inicia-una-investigacion-urgente-al-presidente.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;begun&lt;/a&gt;, it was never completed.  The Honduran Constitution does not give the Supreme Court the power to remove the President.  It does however say this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Nadie debe obediencia a un gobierno usurpador ni a quienes asuman funciones o empleos públicos por la fuerza de las armas o usando medios o procedimientos que quebranten o desconozcan lo que esta Constitución y las leyes establecen. Los actos verificados por tales autoridades son nulos. el pueblo tiene derecho a recurrir a la insurrección en defensa del orden constitucional.

No one owes obedience to a government that has usurped power, or to anyone who has assumed their position and authority through force of arms, or through means and procedures that violate those set forth by the Constitution and the law, or that are not found therein.  Actions taken by such authorities are without legal weight.  The people have the right to engage in insurrection in defense of the constitutional order.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strike>their leader</strike> <i>President</i> Roberto Micheletti.</p></blockquote>
<p>How is Micheletti the President?  Zelaya has not resigned.  He has not been convicted of any crime.  Although the process to remove him was <a href="http://www.lavanguardia.es/internacional/noticias/20090627/53732813595/el-congreso-hondureno-inicia-una-investigacion-urgente-al-presidente.html" rel="nofollow">begun</a>, it was never completed.  The Honduran Constitution does not give the Supreme Court the power to remove the President.  It does however say this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Nadie debe obediencia a un gobierno usurpador ni a quienes asuman funciones o empleos públicos por la fuerza de las armas o usando medios o procedimientos que quebranten o desconozcan lo que esta Constitución y las leyes establecen. Los actos verificados por tales autoridades son nulos. el pueblo tiene derecho a recurrir a la insurrección en defensa del orden constitucional.</p>
<p>No one owes obedience to a government that has usurped power, or to anyone who has assumed their position and authority through force of arms, or through means and procedures that violate those set forth by the Constitution and the law, or that are not found therein.  Actions taken by such authorities are without legal weight.  The people have the right to engage in insurrection in defense of the constitutional order.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mark Noonan</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/07/24/what-media-bias-part-154/comment-page-1/#comment-186597</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bozo,

Ah, but that isn&#039;t what happened at all - Zelaya was plotting a coup using a pre-rigged vote to get himself installed as President-for-Life on the model of Hugo Chavez.  The Honduran democracy thwarted him - Congress, Courts and Army uniting against the would-be tyrant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bozo,</p>
<p>Ah, but that isn&#8217;t what happened at all &#8211; Zelaya was plotting a coup using a pre-rigged vote to get himself installed as President-for-Life on the model of Hugo Chavez.  The Honduran democracy thwarted him &#8211; Congress, Courts and Army uniting against the would-be tyrant.</p>
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		<title>By: bozo</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/07/24/what-media-bias-part-154/comment-page-1/#comment-186596</link>
		<dc:creator>bozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans like them some dictators followed by mob rule.  They&#039;re glad rich-dude Michelleti, who couldn&#039;t even get his OWN party to nominate him in the last election (that&#039;s how unpopular he is) used guns and generals to install him as el Presidente.

Hey Mark, is that what you&#039;re hoping for here?  Are you calling for the destruction of American Democracy? When the minority doesn&#039;t like election results, they should get guns and take over?  Are you saying it&#039;s not one-man-one-vote, but one-bullet-one-vote?

I expect to see you rioting in the street of New York when Bloomberg pulls the exact same stunt Zelaya tried to pull.

God bless democracy.  God bless America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans like them some dictators followed by mob rule.  They&#8217;re glad rich-dude Michelleti, who couldn&#8217;t even get his OWN party to nominate him in the last election (that&#8217;s how unpopular he is) used guns and generals to install him as el Presidente.</p>
<p>Hey Mark, is that what you&#8217;re hoping for here?  Are you calling for the destruction of American Democracy? When the minority doesn&#8217;t like election results, they should get guns and take over?  Are you saying it&#8217;s not one-man-one-vote, but one-bullet-one-vote?</p>
<p>I expect to see you rioting in the street of New York when Bloomberg pulls the exact same stunt Zelaya tried to pull.</p>
<p>God bless democracy.  God bless America.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Noonan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>french,

Did you click on the link to see what AFP described as &quot;hundreds&quot; of anti-Zelaya demonstrators?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>french,</p>
<p>Did you click on the link to see what AFP described as &#8220;hundreds&#8221; of anti-Zelaya demonstrators?</p>
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		<title>By: frenchstudent</title>
		<link>http://blogsforvictory.com/2009/07/24/what-media-bias-part-154/comment-page-1/#comment-186594</link>
		<dc:creator>frenchstudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey look ! Omniscient Mark knows better than the actual journalists that were actually there !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey look ! Omniscient Mark knows better than the actual journalists that were actually there !</p>
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