Death Panels Make the Cut
Tags: Culture of Life, Obamacare.
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Can’t be too in love with death, I guess, if you’re a Democrat:
It’s alive.
The Medicare end-of-life planning provision that 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin said was tantamount to “death panels” for seniors is staying in the latest Democratic health care bill unveiled Thursday.
The provision allows Medicare to pay for voluntary counseling to help beneficiaries deal with the complex and painful decisions families face when a loved one is approaching death.
For years, federal laws and policies have encouraged Americans to think ahead about end-of-life decisions, and make their wishes known in advance through living wills and similar legal documents. But when House Democrats proposed this summer to pay doctors for end-of-life counseling, it touched off a wave of suspicion and anger. Prominent Republicans singled it out as a glaring example of government overreach.
Outside the run-of-the-mill liberal despair which makes them morbid about such things there is the fact that Obamacare will cost far more than we can afford…Donks can raise taxes (unpopular), cut benefits (unpopular) or just sneak in the savings by denying expensive treatments and encouraging people to give up and die quickly. Guess which path they are most likely to choose?
The problem with all these liberal plans is that they presume that there is a human cure for all that ails us. The fact of the matter is that as long as we’re on this world, perfection will not be attained – there will be suffering, and death. Liberals are working on the assumption that they can cure everything – and when faced with reality, they don’t adjust their thinking, they just do wicked and stupid things to try and make it seem like its working.
Mark my words – if this Obamacare becomes law, then the ultimate result will be federally funded abortion and suicide on demand; its a sure as night follows day…because the costs of birth and death are just too much to be worked in to the Obamacare budget.
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74 Responses to “Death Panels Make the Cut”
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Can a line worker run a huge coroporation? Does a line worker understand finance, management at the highest level, or any of the skills necessary to coordinate all the various levels of administration of a large corporation? Has the average “line worker” dedicated his life to getting a good education, going into debt to go to the best colleges, pursued post graduate degrees, done low-paid internships to learn a well-paying living?
Usually the “line worker” is there because he lacked the personal intiative to be anything other than such. Usually he has classmates with the same educational opportunities he had who have gone on to develop the skills necessary to both get them off the line and into more productive employment, but chose not to put out the effort himself. Why bother? A union will make sure he has a job and can’t lose it.
Without the collective mentality of unions, even a “line worker” can work harder and smarter and be elevated to higher paying work, but the leveling influence of unions, which drags down the superior to elevate the mediocre, makes that harder than it used to be.
So denny seems to be saying that the “line worker” has no personal responsibility to, for instance, get better grades in school and get a better education, not get his high school girlfriend knocked up and find himself an undereducated husband and father, or take any other steps to EARN more pay—he should just get more. Just because. And no matter how hard the executive has worked, no matter what sacrifices he has made, no matter how talented or skilled he might be, the collective mentality of the Left should drag him down to a level decided upon by—you got it, the elites.
It is the most bizarre of Leftist cant to claim that the successful “live like royalty” “off the misfortunes of others”. It is sad and a little scary to see that there are still some so stuck in the surly resentment fostered by Leftism that they see the world this way. But it is a testament to the success of the politics of class warfare. dennis sure got sucked in, big time.
denny—when you get hurt or sick, teach those bloodsucking bastards a lesson, and don’t go to a doctor. Don’t let him profit from your misery. No, just stay at home and let that sulky resentment and class envy ferment. Cling to that sad and miserable belief that he is not a person who studied medicine to help people, that he did not study as hard as he did and borrow the money he had to borrow and put in the bone-crushing hours he had to work and did not suffer when a patient failed to recover, but that he is really just a parasite upon society who is only in medicine for the money. Project your pathologically negative perception of society onto him, and stay away. Stand up for what you believe.
Better yet, encourage your representatives to vote in a socialist medicine plan that will make damned sure the bastard doesn’t profit from his evil plan to “live like royalty off the misfortunes of others”.
What a dank, dark, miserable place is the mind of dennis and his ilk. What a depressing reality he has chosen, what a sad and cynical and resentful place he has chosen to inhabit.
My father was on Medicare and in a nursing home. I can guarantee you that there was NO END OF LIFE COUNSELING! NONE, NADA, ZIP!
My father had a Living Will. He made his wishes known to his doctor, me, and his attorney.
Now that I am a senior and have Medicare and a Living Will, if someone came to me with End of Life counseling I would have to ask them why they were in such a hurry for me to end their life!
I never worked so hard for someone as when I went into business for myself.
“drags down the superior to give the impression that the mediocre has been elevated”
You know who bleat the most about the “line worker” not getting paid as much as the executive?
It’s the “line worker” whose work simply is not worth more than he is being paid to do it.
it is the slacker who didn’t study, who couldn’t be bothered to work to advance himself. It is the stoner who was too messed up to get ahead. It is the goofoff who is the first one out the door at quitting time, who screws up and breaks epuipment, who is too busy listening to her iPod to give good service to a customer.
Funny, but it’s always the loser who whines because he is treated like—a loser.
Or the demagogue who knows he can garner the loser vote if he joins the bleating about “economic justice”.
As an employer, I soon learned to pay what the person is worth, at his or her job. I have a guy who says he wants to be a manager, but who doesn’t want to do the extra work a manager has to do. Tough. He has had several chances to get ahead, to get extra training or education at my expense to become a more valuable—-and higher paid—employee, but he is just not motivated. His choice.
But even he understands the insanity of Obama’s “trickle up” economic theory.
Thanks for the clarification, Count. You are right. It’s all about PERCEPTION.
When doctors, insurance executives and lawyers live like royalty (indeed, off the misfortunes of others) while their patients or clients, who often are just as hard-working, scrape for basic necessities something is equally out of whack. Proportionality as seen in terms of individual need is a principle that seems to be forgotten. – denny
Another mindless leftist myth, that wealth creation is a zero sum game. denny, you have exposed yourself to not only de an idiot, but a loser on top of it.
I’ve been working on a business plan for a few years now—it’s on the back burner while Barry and the Dreamers are in charge—-and when and if it is implemented I will have spent literally hundreds if not thousands of hours developing it, researching all aspects of it, At that point I will also have gone into debt to finance the startup, risking my own property.
If it succeeds, I will profit nicely. And mooches like denny will bleat and whimper because I make more money than my employees. Of course, it will take years for me to be adequately reimbursed retroactively for the time and energy it took to get the business planned and off the ground, and of course there will have been the risk I incurred as I put up my other business property as collateral. There will be cost of repaying the loans. There will be the personal responsibility of being a business owner, of having to be the “Decider” and carrying all the burdens alone. There will be fact that the buck stops here, that there will be long periods of no days off.
All the collectivists will see is a new car, or a nice house, and they will seethe with resentment, as they work 9-5, stretch lunch hours, have paid vacations, have no responsibility, and in some cases no doubt try to get away with as little work as possible.
And I will be the target of the RRL types as they try to foment resentment of me, try to legislate to strip me of my profits, and try to paint me as a heartless person living like royalty off the economic needs of others. (That is to say, those who need jobs.)
And you know what I have learned? Like it or not, I have learned to interview in a way that gives me insight into the political views of employees. Not that I would not hire a Democrat—I have. But when and if I sniff out a collectivist, I do not hire him or her. Every time I have—-and I mean EVERY time—-I have regretted it. I have found them to be bad workers, whiners, and pains in the ass.
It’s not just politics, it is a worldview that affects every aspect of life. A surly, resentful, class-warfare whiner who resents the success of others and expects to be paid just for showing up is a bad employee—-who would probably also be a Liberal.
It looks as though Pelosi is looking out for thr trial lawyers. I wonder if denny thinks they’re over paid?
Section 2531, entitled “Medical Liability Alternatives,” establishes an incentive program for states to adopt and implement alternatives to medical liability litigation. [But]…… a state is not eligible for the incentive payments if that state puts a law on the books that limits attorneys’ fees or imposes caps on damages.
Proportionality as seen in terms of individual need is a principle that seems to be forgotten.
No, Dennis, the principle of “from each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs” is still alive and well in places like Cuba, North Korea and Vietnam. Perhaps you should consider emigrating to one of those worker paradises.
Amazona: “denny seems to be saying that the ‘line worker’ has no personal responsibility to, for instance, get better grades in school and get a better education, not get his high school girlfriend knocked up…” bla bla bla.
It is quite humorous to see the extent to which people here project and make bizarre inferences totally without any foundation in logic. Nothing I said could be remotely construed to address any line worker’s personal responsibility or character.
“What a dank, dark, miserable place is the mind of dennis.” This assertion is based on a construct of prior assumptions about my thinking, such as the above, based on false premises flying willy-nilly from Amazona’s imagination of what my values and interior life to be.
These are but two examples of many complete lapses in logic on this thread alone. One might infer from the evidence of her posts here that if Amazona were to find herself in a college class in logic she would be a failing student.
js02, I don’t think Christ would have thought much of academic distinctions between economic theories. What he advocated was the spirit of compassion and fairness in any system in which people found themselves.
Roman rule was hardly conducive to social reform, yet Jesus consistently championed the cause of the poor – even while indicating they would be with us always. He said, by your treatment of these, your love for the Father who made you all may be measured. Funny that those who call America a Christian nation are often the loudest voices to say, no, it’s not the government’s role to worry about the poor.
denny,
You just don’t get it do you? Rather than chide you for being thick, I am beginning to question your capacity to understand, so I will lay off. The teachings of Christ speak to individuals, and their responsibilities to their neighbors, which explains the plethora of Christian charities around the country and the massive amount of those charities spend on the less fortunate.
It is also exemplified by the large amount of money donated to those charities by conservative chrisitans, in fact, you should look up how much Dick Cheney has donated to charities. It would boggle your mind.
So before you feel the need to lecture, please stop and consider that which you don’t yet understand. Which is obviously quite a bit.
denny,
I also want to come back to a myth I am convinced you believe. Do you think that in order for one person to accumulate wealth, another must be deprived of it? In other words, do you think wealth creation is a zero sum game?
One more question. Would you support a global government?
Funny that those who call America a Christian nation are often the loudest voices to say, no, it’s not the government’s role to worry about the poor.
Dennis, that is both offensive and blatantly false, and I suspect you knew that when you typed it. I know, that collectivist spell that controls what passes for your brain just made you do it — couldn’t help yourself, right?
America is the most generous country on the planet. The vast majority of our poor would be considered middle class in most other countries. And, as cluster noted, not only do Conservatives give substantially more to charity than Liberals, as a country, America gives back to the world community an enormous amount of both treasure and blood. The U.S. contributes about a third of all the foreign aid from developed countries to developing and undeveloped countries.
If you can find a reference in the Constitution to “the government’s role to worry about the poor” please point it out. The Federal government, that is.
The Constiution is very clear. First it outlines the duties enumerated to the federal government, then it outlines the restrictions on the federal government. And it makes it completely clear that anything that falls outside the enumerated duties is the responsibility of the state, or the people.
So if people want to have “the government” “worry about the poor” they can have their states do so. The federal government, because such an action is not enumerated, is prohibited from doing so. It is up to the state, or the people.
here’s for you dennis;
Matthew 20:1-16 – [Verse 1 in Original Greek]
1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. 2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny F37 a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way. 5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. 6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? 7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive. 8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. 9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. 10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. 11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, 12 Saying, These last have wrought F38 but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. 13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? 14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. 15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? 16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Cluster, I believe there are enough resources for everyone to be proportionately rewarded for their efforts without there being a large underclass – or in the case of today’s situation, a rapidly shrinking middle class. Economics is a theoretical science as well as an arcane art which has been perverted by predators and the power-hungry. I am confident that increasing poverty in America is more the result of dishonest manipulation and accretion of undeserved wealth at the top, rather than social programs to assist the needy. A grotesquely huge military budget is also a burden on the middle class.
I would be utterly opposed to one global government. But all I need to understand in my American life is how I should perform my civic duties and responsibilities, and how to relate to those in need who are on my path. You figure out your own responsibility in the manner best suited for you.
Js02, I’m well familiar with Matthew 20 and know the point Jesus was making. It wasn’t about economics at all, but his response to religious conservatives’ fears that publicans and sinners might enter the kingdom of heaven. If you studied Christ’s teachings in the Gospels more comprehensively you would know this already.
And retiredspook, as for America’s great largesse and all those wealthy philanthropists:
“And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury. And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all: For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.” Luke 21:1-4
denny,
You again make false assumptions, but to continue to respond to you is a completely wasted effort. I am afraid son that you are completely and hopelessly indoctrinated into a worldview that is just not supported by fact, but rather by an agenda and a false doctrine.
Why you also continue to think that those of lesser financial means are somehow more religiously inclined is just laughably stupid. I sense that you could not care lees about the teachings of Christ, preferring instead to use them as weapons against a perception of yours that all conservatives are christian, which is another false assumption.
Good luck to you going forward, you’ll need it. Your outlook on life is completely whacked and will only serve to limit your potential and make you out as a joke in many social circles.
Yes, poor widow gave all she had, but not because the government demanded that she did, and not in allegiance to self-centered man in any way … but in her duty to Jesus Christ.
Jesus gives us all a choice, he doesn’t snatch your purse from you so He can distribute it to the poor, no, He kindly asks.
So kindly ask Pelosi and the rest in Congress to stop being purse snatchers.
seems to me that it expresses the fact that if a guy agree’s to do a job for minimum wage, that he sould be happy with it instead of pissin and moanin about those who are making more than he is…
if you set your mind to make ten million dollars a year and you do it…you have your just reward…yet if you cry that you worked for minimum wage and worked twice as hard for your paycheck than the guy who worked smart…its Oh Well…how do you say it…the green monster…envy…aye….sure is dennis…if ya agree to work at the bottom of hill for bottom of the hill wages…you have no right to expect any more…
like i said…
reasonable profit is a conscious decision about fair play, not fair market value…because the excessive charges for pharmaceuticals in the US have proven that there is a huge doorway for abuse of the market when they take a pill that costs them 2 cents to make and can sell it on the market for 15 dollars…
im sure that value to market ratio can be regulated, but figuring out how exactly to do it fairly is a bit of a problem in logistics…
(you can not complain if you do nothing to change the rot…if the tree needs to be hewn down…get to it..dont pay lip service to justice and submit to the injust dealings of socialist capitalism)
“Proportionality as seen in terms of individual need is a principle that seems to be forgotten.”
Ah yes, the need.
Just because they need it they have a right to it. The socialists’ backbone and main weapon used on the ignorant. They convince the weak minded that because they need something they have a right to it, and if anyone makes a profit off of of providing that need it is evil.
The looters have convinced the moochers that they do not have to work for what they receive. All will be provided to them, because they “need” it, by the providers. The need will be fulfilled by the looters using the imperial power of government. The providers will have two “choices” and only two choices – provide “freely” or go to jail.
Denny, you need to read ATLAS SHRUGGED – stop being a moocher and depending on the looters – become a provider and encourage other moochers to become providers where everyone wins.
Questions: when the providers
Questions: When the providers can no longer be providers, then what of the looters and moochers?
tired
The looters have convinced the moochers that they do not have to work for what they receive.
The analogy of looters and moochers is 100% spot on.
That should be the tea party cry STOP the LOOTING by MOOCHERS!!
donks the party of looters and moochers,
both metaphorically and actually.
Everything that dennis says can be explained merely by sending us to the writings of Lenin and Marx and Mao.
The sad thing is that he expounds upon the wish list of the radical Left as if he is reciting established moral and political and social principles. And he is not.
What he is reciting is a list of utopian goals as outlined by Mao, Marx, and Lenin, goals which depend on the implementation of radical social and political experiments which have been tried, and which have failed. Every time.
Not only have they failed, they have led to the worst abuses of human freedoms and human rights in at least the past two centuries.
I am willing to give dennis the benefit of the doubt as a very sincere True Believer. But what he believes in is, simply, wrong. He has accepted the writings of socialists and communists, taken them into his personal reality, and now he frets because of his twisted perception that they are valid, objectively true, and just being ignored or trampled upon.
Not so, denny. They are being understood and REJECTED.
We have seen the fruits of the socialist mindset. We have seen the historical proof that such utopian visions are so unrealistic and unworkable that they can only be achieved through oppressive government imposition, under the absolute rule of tyrants, and we have seen the unbroken string of failed attempts to do so and the resulting slaughter of, literally, millions of innocents, the economic and social misery of the survivors, and the corruption of the masters.
dennis, you seem to think that we just don’t understand the problems, that we just don’t grasp your points. Let me assure you, we are far more well grounded politically, historically, and economically than you are when it comes to recognizing socialist cant for what it is and knowing where it inevitably, if unchecked, leads.
Societies such as you yearn for have existed, based on the principles you keep lecturing us about. Why were these societies not inundated with people trying to get IN, to experience the blessings of having the wealth proportionally distributed according to need? Why were there not long lines of prospective immigrants to these workers’ paradises? Why did these societies not flourish, socially and economically?
More to the point, why did they have to build fences to keep their population IN, not the rest of the world OUT? Why were people shot down if they tried to ESCAPE these havens of populist equality?
Sorry, dennis, but you either very stupid or very naive, and in either case wasting your time trying to convince us of your Marxist beliefs. You sound like a college student with a Ward Churchill-like guru filling your head with socialist garbage.
Hey, I’ve been there—a University of Colorado alum, immersed in the radicalism of the teachers, attending the SDS convention to hear Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn lecture us on the same stuff you are so passionately promoting, the whole nine yards.
Been there, done that, realized I was an immature if idealistic idiot. If you are lucky, you will look back at this period in your life with the same analysis.