Post Election Open Thread
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Discuss last night’s GOP triumph; GOP prospects for 2010; how depressed liberals must be…anything that comes to mind.
UPDATE: For you Dems out there trying to spin the Owens win as some sort of counterbalance to NJ/VA:
You should pay attention to the fact that the Democrats weren’t just beaten in VA, but crushed…this was a blowout of historic proportions.
For you Dems out there trying to spin the Hoffman loss as a repudiation of Palin:
She locked down TEA Party support; mission accomplished.
UPDATE II: Pelosi thinks Democrats won. We’ll try to give her more such victories.
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43 Responses to “Post Election Open Thread”
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Now, Mark, you were the one who said a Hoffman win would be a validation for Palin. The inverse must then be true. After all, it was your side that blew NY-23 up to be some bellwether race. The fact is that a carpetbagger supported by Dick Armey’s astroturf organization cost the Republicans a seat they had held for 140 years. You can call Scozzafava a RINO, but she voted with Republicans more than she voted against them. You can complain about her supporting Owens, but why on Earth would she support Hoffman with the crap he and his supporters threw at her? Were you expecting her to develop Stockholm Syndrome?
In NJ, congratulations. You swapped out our corrupt guy for your corrupt guy. In VA, I think the exit polling will tell an interesting story. Did McDonnell win because of people switching parties or because the Demosratic base stayed home? Deeds ran as Republican lite, so they didn’t have a lot of motivation to campaign or vote for him.
You may see this uprising of Armey’s minions as a good thing, but I think you are wrong. Have your internal party battles in the primary, not the general election. Otherwise, you will get a couple of seats in districts that are already reliably conservative, but you will get decimated in swing districts by splitting the Republican vote. Good luck.
get real…what happened in NY was an insult to americans all over the nation…scuzz was lying right up to the end when she pulled out…i would not put it past them if this whole thing was a back door deal to guarantee that the GOP was disadevantaged in the election by putting up a fraud with an (R) next to its name…
the conservative showing is a strong indication that lots of folks are about done with two party partisianship…the conservative party can roll right over the top of the GOP and fill the shoes that they are expected to fill…instead of the lip service paid by liberals to people hopes for change in the government…instead of the fraud the socialists have perpetrated on america…
OT
and after all that…the pull back another layer of the onion…only to find more corruption…in BHO’s adminstration…
President Barack Obama’s economic recovery program saved 935 jobs at the Southwest Georgia Community Action Council, an impressive success story for the stimulus plan. Trouble is, only 508 people work there.
The Georgia nonprofit’s inflated job count is among persisting errors in the government’s latest effort to measure the effect of the $787 billion stimulus plan despite White House promises last week that the new data would undergo an “extensive review” to root out errors discovered in an earlier report.
About two-thirds of the 14,506 jobs claimed to be saved under one federal office, the Administration for Children and Families at Health and Human Services, actually weren’t saved at all, according to a review of the latest data by The Associated Press. Instead, that figure includes more than 9,300 existing employees in hundreds of local agencies who received pay raises and benefits and whose jobs weren’t saved.
using thier figure…1.86…applied to the 690k jobs they said they created…
only 370k might have been….
kmg – mcdonnell won in VA because indies voted 60some% for him cause he’s a moderate.
as usual, moderates who attract indies win.
also, satan’s casinos (Ohio issue 1) passed by 6+%.
there’s only one arm that pulls the handle on a slot machine! and that arm belongs to satan!
kmg,
So NJ is no big deal? Obama throws the weight of the Presidency behind Corzine; Corzine has been governing with staunch Democratic policies in a very blue state, and yet, no big deal that he lost, right?
Ignorance is bliss isn’t it?
“GOP Triumph”
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Virginia – Really not much of a surprise.
a) Virginia has historically elected a Governor of the opposite party as the President.
b) Virginia went Dem in a Pres election for the first time in FORTY YEARS in ’08.
c) The Dem nominee was an awful nominee.
d) Exit polls show 56% of voters said Obama was not a factor in their choice.
New Jersey
a) Corzine should never have even won the first time around. He is awful.
b) 28 percent of Corzine voters and 61 percent of Christie voters said they were voting more against their candidate’s opponents than voting for their candidate. Source
c) Exit polls show 60% of voters said Obama was not a factor in their choice.
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“How depressed liberals must be”??
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I don’t think so. At last check, those were two races that were anything BUT a lock win. You win some you lose some.
Now NY-23 on the other hand has voted Republican since the days of Ulysses S. Grant. Because you eat your own for not being “Republican enough”, the Independents shunned you and went for the Dem. How depressing that must be for you Palin-ites. You get the teabaggers and nothing else.
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GOP prospects for 2010
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I’d put them as better than they were in 2008, but nowhere near enough to win back either the house or the Senate. If you look at the Senate seats up for grabs, the GOP is actually looking worse. You should gain some in the House.
To “partially” quote this very blog from 2006 – “The party in power always loses some seats in the mid-terms”.
So Dems would expect that.
js02:
i would not put it past them if this whole thing was a back door deal to guarantee that the GOP was disadevantaged in the election by putting up a fraud with an (R) next to its name
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Tinfoil hat alert!!!!
joeboston says: November 4th, 2009 at 11:40 am
the guys’ a birther.
need one say more?
Independents in both states, NJ & VA, voted for the republican by a 2 to 1 margin. The exact opposite of how independents voted just one year ago.
You can thank Obama, Pelosi & Reid, and their far left positions for that.
I know I will.
marklection:
agreed
dems deserved to lose
obama is just a continuation of bush…trying to look like clinton
but
losing that repub seat in ny23
is a big bad blow for you
lots of confusion going on
it’s like “on any sunday”
seems like any politician can beat any other one
and all up to the very last minute
cluster says: November 4th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
actually in NJ it was all about corzine’s poor performance, unemployment, & too high property taxes.
NJ & VA gop winners were both moderates & so attracted indies.
the “conservative” candidate in NY23 lost.
the conclusion may well be the gop coulda retained that seat as well had the other gop candidate ran alone vs the dem.
just like in NY23, the wingnut plan to purge the moderates, & “purify” the platform will snatch defeat fm the jaws of victory.
Good election for the Democratics. Democratics won 1 seat in an ultra-conservative fundamentalist reconstructionist district. The Republics lost 1 seat.
And thats just the way it is.
Mark
the whole donk flying monkey show flew in for this thread to tell us how an ASS whooping was really a victory…ROTFLMAO!!!!
The liberal spin on this is hysterical. If you’ll remember, Hoffman wasn’t even a factor until about 3 weeks ago when Palin mentioned his name. The republican running at the time, was a democrat, and even mentioned changing parties after the election. Then we she withdrew, primarily because of Palin, she supported the Democrat, and despite all of this, the late entrant, little known, lagging behind conservative candidate came within 4 points, in a very blue state. And the liberals are ignoring the Governor defeats in NJ and VA, and pointing to this small district as the bellweather.
It’s surreal
cluster – the wingnuts, err palin conservatives LOST a seat which had been gop since the war…the revolutionary war.
00
because they ran a RINO, just like mcLame.
ah,
the moochers are here with the latest spin from the White House.
“It’s a victory against Palin!”
Palin was running?
Corzine ran again Bush?
Obamateur made several visits to NJ and VA pushing those candidates and THEY LOST! The looters were handed a loss and the producers won. The voters chose the produces.
The looters handed them a pile of horse-squeeze in the last election and delivered ZERO on their promises and the American people are waking up. Hope and change turned out to be business as usual with a huge shift to the left.
tired
the moochers are here with the latest spin from the White House.
and 00 is among the biggest moochers as well as a thief.
Palin was running?
Corzine ran again Bush?
LOL
way to funny!!
Rush was 100% spot on about this one LOL X100
fmrmarine says: November 4th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
so ur saying palin & armey supported the RINO candidate?
whoa – u should sound the backup beeper!
00
forker orrin says
if you have to ask that one stay at the pitchfork,you wouldnt understand.
Mark/All
how does one get rid of that annoying twitter thing on the bottom of the page?
To be absolutly accurate; the northern part of NY-23 was Republican since the mid-1800’s, but the district was last represented by a democrat in 1993.
ohio,
Palin conservatives never held the seat. Weak, democrat lite, GOPer’s held the seat. But that’s not the story.
The story, is the right leaning independents that ran away from liberalism, and voted for conservatism in VA and NJ.
Actually Count, from 1979-1993 the district was represented by three different democrats: Peter Peyser, Samuel Stratton, Michael McNulty.
I wonder where the liberals are getting their talking points?
This from Powerline:
Here’s my take on the elections yesterday…
First, the GOP has to be especially pleased with Christie’s win in NJ. It is, after all, NJ — which has been a heart-breaker for the GOP in recent years. And Obama and others spent quite a bit of political capital trying to push Corzine over the finish line. They failed. That’s pretty big news.
The other big race was VA, but perhaps the only surprise there was the spread. Deeds got totally whacked by McDonnell. The GOP also has to be pretty pleased about that.
But both of those races were very much typical establishment races — one party establishment against the other. The NY-23 race was quite different. And granted, it didn’t really count much, in and of itself, in the grand scheme of things. It’s real significance lies in the fact that the party establishment candidates were joined by an outsider, Hoffman, from the right. Hoffman managed to knock off the GOP establishment candidate, but didn’t win the election. He did, however, come close enough (I actually thought he won early on) to make little difference in the attitude of the “conservative base”. They have tasted blood, and it will be interesting to see how far they take it in coming elections. I guess it goes without saying that many primaries will have doctrinaire conservatives in the mix, and that alone could complicate things. But I’m also guessing that if the doctrinaire conservatives don’t like the results of the primaries, they could run their own candidate independently in the generals, much as they did in NY-23. And that could very well set up numerous situations where defeat could be snatched from the jaws of victory.
neocon,
You e mail Matt and ask.
Bagni,
It was a heartbreaker in NY-23 – I was hoping for a win and, in fact, was more confident of a win there than I was in NJ. Just shows that its hard to predict what actual voters will do.
On the other hand, Owens will almost certainly not walk the plank for Obamacare…so, really, we probably got a solid vote against that whereas if the GOPer had won, she’d probably have cut us off at the knees on that very issue.
Mark: On the other hand, Owens will almost certainly not walk the plank for Obamacare…so, really, we probably got a solid vote against that whereas if the GOPer had won, she’d probably have cut us off at the knees on that very issue.
Yeah well, that and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee, if you know what I mean. The reality is that the NY-23 race was totally meaningless in terms of the balance in the House. Yet both sides (all three, actually) spent beaucoup bucks on it. Why? Because of what it portends for future battles, I’d say.
In that regard, would you care to wax prognostic on, say, the 2010 Senate race in Florida? Or how about PA? I know you have your sights set on the NV Senate race, but both of those others should be quite interesting.
ricorun,
Actually, the long term effect of NY-23 is that the GOP leadership will no longer try to foist RINOs off on us and Palin has locked down TEA Party support. Your side can keep the seat for a year, we’re going to crush you in 2010.
Mark, you have to believe that there are power brokers in the GOP who are asking themselves a whole lot of “what if’s” re: NY-23 right now. Whereas Pelosi sees it as a win, I see it as the canary in the coal mine for the country club wing of the GOP.
spook,
I look at it like this – a few months ago, there was absolutely no chance that someone passed over by the GOP like Hoffman would have been able to get anywhere. Sure, he would have been on the ballot…and got 5% while the RINO went on to victory, and to cut us off at the knees. Now he get 45% of the vote. The CONSERVATIVE candidate got 45% of the vote in the North East! And that after having the RINO stab him in the back.
It started with a rant on television and became the TEA Party … which our liberal friends are still laughing away. 2010 is gonna be a gas…
the guys’ a birther.
need one say more?
More crap from Mr. Lazy…
We’re tickled pink. As Spook mentions, the real ones who are quaking in their boots are “the country club wing of the GOP” (great phrase, by the way). Once the TEA Party begins winning general elections, then liberals will start to view it as a bad thing.
A modest suggestion.
SA
A modest suggestion.
Now your talking……..
Keef, what can you expect from a becker and a foxer?
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Amazona says:
November 5th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Keef, what can you expect from a becker and a foxer?
or a forker???? LOL
Republicans win, Yankees win. Coincidence? I think not. Damn Yankees.
Also, that VA went Republican is not a “blowout of historic proportions”. What’s surprising is that Republicans had to win VA back from its decade long history of trending solidly red.
froot
Republicans win, Yankees win. Coincidence? I think not. Damn Yankees.
OOH-RAH
How are you a Yankees fan?