A Democrat Civil War?
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Hmmm…
Democratic Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu is out as keynote speaker for the Palm Beach County Democratic Party’s annual fund-raising dinner next week because party leaders dislike her stance on health care reform, county Democratic Chairman Mark Alan Siegel said today.
Landrieu, a moderate who recently described herself as “extremely concerned about a government-run, taxpayer-funded, national public plan,” has not committed to voting to cut off a likely Republican filibuster and forcing a vote on the legislation.
Democrats need 60 votes to invoke “cloture” and force a vote.
“We just didn’t want to have a keynote speaker who’s not committed to cloture. It would have just been wrong,” said Siegel…
Well, Senator, you can always join Lieberman as an Independent.
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41 Responses to “A Democrat Civil War?”
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It will be interesting to see how Democrat politicians react to the bullying of the Obamunists. I think some will assume they are so close to the seat of power, and such a part of the machine, they are secure, and some will knuckle under just to keep from being thrown under the bus. But some will rebel, either from integrity or fear of being branded as lickspittle cowards.
It will be interesting to see the party divide even further, into the Blue Dogs and the Yellow Dogs.
Speaking of which, have you noticed how the Great Uniter has managed to divide this nation more than it ever has been? We now have the Birthers and the TEApartiers and the Tenthers and the Foxers and the Beckers, we have the Blue Dogs and the Yellow Dogs, we have the ‘domestic terrorists’ (who look just like my neighbors and aunties and who actually ARE my neighbors and my aunties..) and “mobs” who insist on their rights to assemble and speak freely. We have government-run union thugs trying to intimidate those neighbors and aunties, and the New Black Panthers patrolling voting sites with baseball bats, under the protection of the US Attorney General.
But this is the crux of the matter—-we now see that when Barry talked about “unifying” the nation he didn’t mean a volutary coming together of citizens but a HERDING together of dissidents, first into categories he can claim are acting against the State and then…….well, who knows?
More chicago ghetto thuggery,
saul alynski is smiling in perdition.
Why would republicans, oh wait, I mean democrats alienate the moderates of their party? Are they trying to purify the ranks and foam up the wingers?
Amazona,
I have noticed the categorization of Americans on a scale never seen before. But that’s liberalism……identity politics. It’s not who you are as an individual, it’s what ethnicity you are or what associations you identify with.
Yeah, yeah, foam ‘em up!! Buncha frothy lugwrenches, all foamy and stuff. Wingers! Wingers! Foamy foamy wingnuts!!! Beck!! Fox!!! Faux!!!! Foamy Faux Fox!!!
OK, I’ve provided the sum total of what passes for intellectual political commentary from our radical Left contingent. Oh, no, I forgot casper!
CONSPIRACY THEORY, OUT OF CONTEXT
And kmg……
STUCK UP BITCH SNOB
OK, I think the trolls are all accounted for, along with the talking points that seem to constitute their political discussions.
Yes, cluster, the Politics of Personal Destruction has been a mainstay of the far Left for decades. It is Divide and Conquer—make the poor hate the “rich”, make the blacks distrust the whites, tell every group that every other group is out to get them, tell every group they really ought to get the other guy first, lock people into catgegories and then attack the categories, use racial and class warfare to further divide.
Because once you have the nation divided into disparate groups which hate or distrust each other, only the Government, only the State, can be trusted. Your doctor only wants to “live like royalty”—ON YOUR MISFORTUNE, the bastard. You NEED Big Brother to control him and take care of you. And so on………..
It’s all about power. taking it from the People and giving it to the State.
I made it back to the YMCA this morning for the first time since my rotator cuff surgery in August. In the past, I’ve had some really interesting political discussions with other guys in the locker room, none, though, more interesting than the ones this morning. This fellow that I had not met before was saying how he and his wife had stayed home last fall, and how it was a mistake they would not make again. Another guy, on the other side of our bank of lockers overheard us and came around to our side. He said he had voted for Obama, and it was a mistake he would not make again. A third guy came out of the shower just in time to hear that comment and chimed in that he still supported much of what Obama is trying to do, but he was experiencing Obama overload, and getting sick and tired of seeing his face on TV and hearing his voice on the radio.
This all leads me to ask the obvious question of our resident Libs: are you pleased with the direction Obama is taking this country? If not, why not; and if so, what part of his agenda do you think will advance the cause of economic prosperity, national unity and open debate?
Our resident Lefties are completely AWOL today. They must all be out looking for jobs.
I think even our resident liberals may be getting a little tired of sticking up for, and making excuses for this guy. Their visits are becoming less frequent.
Appears the “Big Tent” of the Democrats is not big enough for Sen. Mary Landrieu or dissent for that matter.
spook,
Someone dropped a bomb on the house that is America, dumped huge amounts of toxic waste in the crater that remained and then turned around and blamed the guy trying to clean it up. This is an unprecedented situation that most of us have never had to live through before. Now many on the right complain that the rain is getting everyone wet. And what is your fix? Cut taxes. This is akin to telling the builder to replace the shingles on a house that was bombed to oblivion. While a new roof may be useful when the rain starts, it does very little to keep you dry when the house has not yet been rebuilt.
Am I happy with what Obama has done so far?
Well, it depends on what issue you want addressed. I think he has been slow to fulfill many of his promises regarding the removal of troops from Iraq. And I disagree with his earlier assertions about his strategy in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is a lost cause. The real problem is Pakistan but I don’t know what can be done about that. We are not in a very good position to act in that country to my knowledge and the Pakistani government is not very well positioned to do anything about the threat within their own country. What do you see as the solution there?
Now, regarding the economy and health care reform I would have to give him an incomplete. Cleaning up the toxic mess left behind is not something that would happen quickly. The mess was unprecedented and huge. I know you on the right don’t believe that government spending will get us out of this but no one on your side can explain how the free market worked to get us out of the Great Depression. Ultimately, whether it was government spending on social programs or WWII, it was government spending as far as I can see. If that is the case then a certain amount of patience is needed. I know the American people may not be that patient. It is like the period when the Space Shuttle comes back through the atmosphere and ground control loses radio contact with the reentry vehicle. There is little that can be done during that period, except wait.
I do think it would be much easier to get health care reform done without the problems with the economy. But unless you don’t mind letting the cost of health care spiral up to 1/3 of the total GDP I think we need to resolve health care reform now. So I am glad Obama is trying to get this thing done. Even so, it seems that there are a number of stakeholders in the status quo who don’t want any changes made to the current system so I know it will again take patience to get it done.
spook, Someone dropped a bomb on the house that is America, dumped huge amounts of toxic waste in the crater that remained and then turned around and blamed the guy trying to clean it up.
If ObiOne were really trying to to clean it up, I might agree with you to a point, but I don’t know anyone with even an elementary understanding of economics who believes, at this point, that this administration’s economic policies are designed to do anything but reward their banking and union pals.
This is an unprecedented situation that most of us have never had to live through before.
Anyone who is older than 30 lived through worse than this back in the late 70’s and early 80’s. They even coined a name for it — The Misery Index — double digit inflation and unemployment and 20% prime interest rate.
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retiredspook says:
November 6th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Our resident Lefties are completely AWOL today. They must all be out looking for jobs.
are you a @$#!*&^**$# wise guy???
a job HUH !!!!
LOL
they are probably at acorn getting next weeks propaganda and of course the welfare office……the nerve a JOB!!!
spook
i love these 30 something never was, and foreigners, telling us how the GOP got “HIJACKED” by the radical right.
I hate to tell them, but 40 years ago most of us were donks.We left because the leftist marxist radicals HIJACKED the donk party.
cam,
Health Care is expected to reach 20% of GDP by 2015 (not 33%).
Health Care as industrial input (value added) is expected to top 10%. (That’s a good thing.)
Health Care is an industry, or more specifically a group of industries that contribute to GDP, as well as a drain to GDP in expense of resources. 55% of which are Government resources (Medicare & Medicaid, + State expenditures and lost productivity due to regulation/fraud, waste and abuse.)
As to Government spending “ending the Great Depression” that’s a myth that I’ve explained several times.
The Depression worsened as the government poured more money into “infrastructure” projects from 1929 (Hoover) through 1938. The Depression ended in 1939 with the end of Smoot-Hawley and the anti-Keynesian monetarists. Government spending increased in 1942 ~ three years into the recovery with war spending.
I sure am glad the dimocrats and o-blahblah are here to clean up the mess of the 4.6% unemployment, 6% growth in GDP, Market at 14,000 that we had with that other administration.
Much more salvation like this and we’ll all be doing what Mr. Freckles is doing in my Aviatar.
spook,
So you would have let the “too big to fail” fail? What would you have done differently and what historical precedent do you have to support what you would have done?
Have you ever considered that what has been done first in the TARP and then in the Stimulus Plan that Obama championed has kept the outcome less severe than what it would have been had these actions not been taken? It seems to me that what you are doing is like someone who was on that plane that Captain Chesley Sullenberger landed on the Hudson comparing their trip down some river rapids to that water landing. I contend there is no comparison. But I guess we will never know. I do know that the call for drastic action was just as loud on the right as it was on the left when we first started down this treacherous path. I know that there were those on the right that saw a pending civil war as the most likely scenario before TARP. I know those same people were talking about total collapse, yet now seem to have forgotten how dire it seemed then.
count,
So you are saying the basis for the growth of the economy during the Bush years was sound? If that is the case then all of this talk about toxic assets is just BS to you? Further, the coming collapse of the commercial real estate market is just henny penny scare tactics? Even beyond that, you would support the tax credits being given to prop up the housing market?
cam,
When you question starts with “are you saying” I stop reading.
I stated clearly what I am “saying.”
Unlike the Congressional dimocrats, I cannot be bullied into defending or rejecting something I neither said nor implied.
count,
Looks like a dodge there. Its the typical answer given by those who don’t have one.
The fact is you are quite content pointing to the Bush years as successful fully knowing that much of the consumer spending of that era was built on a real estate bubble that allowed people to spend money that was not real.
I’m just asking you to be honest. Do you support policy that would help to prop up a failing housing market or would you prefer that housing values would continue to erode to a more realistic position.
If you allow housing to continue it’s downward trend, then you should have the patience to “wait it out” without blaming those who take that path. Otherwise, you should support what Obama and the Congress are doing now. Which one is it? Or, are you still dodging?
Listen Grasshopper … do you hear it?
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That’s the sound of one hand clapping.
cam1,
It’s almost like you do not retain any information, or previous posts that you have read here on this blog, and ignorantly continue to prop up the same assinine assumptions. I don’t know if you’re just stupid, or learning impaired.
Obama is doing nothing to revibe the economy and everything to hurt it further. The housing bubble was a huge factor in the collapse, but if you’ll remember, that was due in large part to liberal policies, and Bush warned Congress several times to monitor the capitalization of the GSE’s, which Frank, Dodd, etc., ignored.
If Obama really wanted to improve the economy, he would be offering employment tax credits, and making the tax cuts permanent, which are just a few things to help spur consumer spending and employment.
I don’t know why I try and convince you though, hell you’re just a mindless union drone.
cluster,
My point is that if you see the housing bubble as the main driver for the growth in the economy during Bush years, as I do, then you must see that growth as bogus, instead of giving Bush credit while finding ways to blame Democrats.
cam1,
There’s that learning impairedness kicking in. Bush didn’t BLAME democrats, he WARNED democrats to reign in the GSE’s, of which they did not. Had they heeded that advice, the economy would not have collapsed nearly as hard as it did. Had that happened, the economy would have realized a slight correction, not a collapse.
Get it?
cam,
Yes, “too big to fail” should have been allowed to fail…in fact, if something is “too big to fail” its probably something we should kill. And that goes for government bureaucracies, too. Things have to be done on a human scale.
Mark,
How do you go about killing something that is too big to fail? I know what you would do with big government – something about drowning in a bath tub. But how would you keep the AIG’s in check? How would you keep the big banks in check?
I would have to disagree regarding allowing those large institutions to fail. The next day anyone insured with AIG would have had no coverage, unless it was provided directly by the government. If a number of large banks were allowed to fail the financial chaos that followed would have been catastrophic. And that is something that even the most right wing on this site recognized before it was Obama doing the bailing out.
We live in an interconnected society that relies on each other for mutual support. It is important to keep any part of the system from getting so large that its failure has the potential to destroy the entire system. Further, a financial system in chaos makes it very difficult to keep our democracy viable.
Amazona: It will be interesting to see how Democrat politicians react to the bullying of the Obamunists. I think some will assume they are so close to the seat of power, and such a part of the machine, they are secure, and some will knuckle under just to keep from being thrown under the bus. But some will rebel, either from integrity or fear of being branded as lickspittle cowards.
Apart from the value judgements attached, I think yours is a reasonably apt description of how it usually works. After all, it’s not like political pressure is a new tool. But political pressure does not always imply political civil war. I would argue that if you don’t understand the difference, you don’t get it.
Said otherwise, to claim this episode is an example of civil war among the Dem ranks is just plain silly. It’s not like Landreau’s considerable minions will take offense at the slight and descend on the Palm Beach County Democratic Party’s annual fund-raising dinner to cause a ruckus and/or otherwise disrupt it. First, she’d actually have to have considerable minions. But even if they existed, just that isn’t enough. If they existed they’d also have to be inclined to cause trouble whenever someone strayed too far from their rigid view of ideological correctness.
Are you kidding me? You don’t think some other solvent, and well managed insurance company would swoop in and do what they had to for their business? That’s a gold mine waiting to be tapped for some other company. cam, I seriously don’t think you have the slightest understanding of how business’s think or operate.
Well, I feel honored. I didn’t even have to comment on this thread in order to receive a fact-free, pointless, ad hominem attack from amazona.
BTW, it looks like the “lefties” are the only people here who actually work for a living. It was pretty much just the “righties” who were posting all day long.
Most of us “righties” are self employed kmg. Do you know what that means?
Cluster,
Since the percentage of self employed is about 7% you have explained pretty clearly why you are such a small minority. Actually the fact that something like 25% of the population identifies themselves as Republican, I would have to say you are doing pretty good.
It would seem to mean that business isn’t very good if you can spend all day commenting on blogs.
“Are you kidding me? You don’t think some other solvent, and well managed insurance company would swoop in and do what they had to for their business? ”
-cluster
cluster,
So you are saying that they would do it for free? Remember the premium was already paid to a company that by that point would be insolvent. So what would the motivation of those companies be?
Further, that is the tip of the iceberg. All of the foreign investors who invested in those derivatives of mortgage backed securities would be left holding the bag. How soon would such investors be willing to finance our economy after such extensive defaults.
The problem is that our financial system is intertwined with individuals and investors here and abroad. Allowing such a large sector of the economy to just fail would be irresponsible. We don’t live on an island.
The solution is regulation that restricts the size of corporations in the spirit of the Sherman Anti Trust Act that Republican President Theodore Roosevelt used to break up monopolies. Apparently, he could see the good in such action.
cam1,
You need to understand actuary tables, long term contracts and yields to know the answer to that questions.
And I am a conservative, not a republican, of which 40% of Americans identify with vs 20% that idnetify themselves as liberals. You walked right into that one cam1.
kmg,
I guarantee you that I make more in 6 months than you do in 12.
cluster,
So in the spectrum of politics conservatives are to the right of average Republicans, Democrats are left of Republicans and liberals are to the left of that. And you say you have 40% who are conservative. Then why do you need the Republican Party? And which of those conservatives voted for Obama?
cam1, I am just referring to a recent poll.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideological-group.aspx
We don’t need the republican party, they need us.
cluster,
Why do I have to understand actuary tables and the like? If I pay a premium on insurance and that company fails who’s to say there is enough left that anyone would want to buy such a carcase and assume its liabilities? If I were in an accident the next day to would I send the claim?
BTW cluster, this is not just about insurance but rather about a whole spectrum of financial companies that were on the brink. At this point we have brought most of the financial sector back from the brink. The trouble is that you are willing to ignore the fact that we were so close to going over the brink. The big trouble now is that we have done very little to prevent this same kind of disaster in the future. Too big to fail will be around again. Next time it is just as likely to be a Republican president who will have to deal with it.
So what is a Rino?
Or is it that the Republican activists have found a way to purge the moderates, since they make up 35%.
cam1,
you are so wrong, but I tire of arguing with some so mindless. The companies that did not over leverage and under capatilize are doing just fine. Many banks have already paid their TARP I money back. Smart investors like Trump & Buffett are still investing, and sound insurance companies are doing just fine. A few bad business decisions by greedy companies and yours, and liberals panties get all a flutter.
We were far from the brink drama boi
Maybe, maybe not. You don’t know what I make and I don’t know what you make.
I have to say, I don’t believe any company should ever be considered to big to fail. If poor management sinks a company, then they should have to face the music. I am sure that AIG’s different divisions would be snatched up by other companies. Or if they had wanted to, the bankruptcy could have been handled in the way that the airline companies have done so. The same goes for GM, Chrysler etc. I know that as long as they continue to take government bailouts, I will look for other companies to deal with.
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canadianobserver says:
November 7th, 2009 at 9:26 am
retiredspook says:
November 6th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Our resident Lefties are completely AWOL today. They must all be out looking for jobs.
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Perhaps, or could the reason be due to the fact that it is getting harder and harder to get an intelligent response from the resident Righties?
Since the democratic election of President Obama, y’all seem to have lost your collective minds and we all know how futile it is to use reason with folks suffering from hysterical paranoia.
The fear factor, instigated by Right-wing entertainers & loopy representatives, willingly supped up by their credulous supporters has, sadly, all but shut down constructive dialogue between the two sides.
CO
Another post mysteriously disappears without comment from the Moderator. Hmmm…
omission of plain stupidity needs no explanation.
capeche?