Why I Am Not Worried About Saturday Night’s Obamacare Vote
Tags: abortion, Democrats, Joe Lieberman, Obamacare, public option, taxpayer-funded, transparency.
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While it’s easy for the left to claim a short term victory out of Saturday night’s vote in the House, I am sitting here calmly, knowing very well Obamacare is heading down a long path to nowhere.
For starters, it won’t pass the Senate. Moderate Democrats in the Senate won’t go for it.
Second, the far-left isn’t pleased. They want taxpayer-funded abortions. A bill that doesn’t mandate this is of no interest to them. NOW is already mobilizing against the current version. Any legislation with pro-abortion measures simply cannot pass, yet one House Democrat is confident the Stupak amendment won’t be in the final version. So, that razor-thin victory for Obamacare will became a comfortable defeat. Meanwhile, in the Senate, Joe Lieberman promises to join a filibuster of any bill the public option, some far-left Democrats won’t support a bill without it.
Third, once details about this bill (which wasn’t given the promised window of transparency) are widely known and discussed, you won’t see as many House members so willing to vote for it after they’ve heard a mouthful from their constituents.
With mid-term elections coming up, and polls showing lack of support for government-run health care, I am not worried about Saturday night’s vote.
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39 Responses to “Why I Am Not Worried About Saturday Night’s Obamacare Vote”
Caucus of Corruption
I will make this short and sweet.
So many conspiracy theories from the right – so many scare tactics.
One of the best.
A government option in health care will kill Medicare.
HA!!! HA!! HA!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Medicare IS a government program.
So is Social Security.
They HAVE been government run programs since 1965.
You people amaze me with your gullibility.
Kill grandman.
Obama’s gonna put Grnndma in a concertration camp too and torture her until she dies.
(sarcasm off)
What is wrong with you people?
Medicare IS a government program.
So is Social Security.
They HAVE been government run programs since 1965.
LBJ was responsible for Social Security?
Okay – 1965 and 1935 respectively.
LBJ and FDR are responsible for setting up these programs.
So blame them for government intrusion first, not BHO.
But remember, FDR did more for this country than most any president since Lincoln. Without FDR, I would hate to see where we would be today – even if many of you scoff at him.
those thing done quickly in the dark of night are not best shown in the light of day
FDR’s policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
ets not to wise to prove that everything you belief in is based on a lie willy wally…your better off shuttin yur trap than openin it and proving its so…
What is wrong with you people? – sirwilly
We just have a much better understanding of economics than you do. That’s all.
HEEEEEEEEE’ss BAAAAACK LOL
wonker
What is wrong with you people?
if that isnt the pot calling the kettle black…..
We want LESS government intrusion into, and control of our lives. really simple.
It is you “moochers and looters” who want big bro to do everything for you.
cluster
but but wanker is a teacher like casper, they HAVE to be smart dont they :)
(sarcasm off)
We just have a much better understanding of economics than you do. That’s all.
Heck an econ.101 student has more understanding than these obomabot kneepaders do.
so willy,
the $400 billion cut to Medicare will do nothing to hurt it?
BTW, Medicare and Social Security are going bankrupt. They are rapidly becoming unsustainable.
I just love the looters’ Grandma talking points you so dutifully regurgitate.
Willy is the perfect example of an individual who thinks the U.S. is great because of government and is all to willing to put his survivability into their hands.
WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU “MAN”?
a few months back, I was telling french student that SS, Medicare, etc, were all going broke and were currently unsustainable programs. Here response: “so what, the government keeps paying them”.
And that is the problem. These young liberals have no concept of money, economics, hardships etc. They were all born after 1980, and have never experienced a real down turn, financial or otherwise. They just seem to think that we can tax the rich, hurt business and borrow money ad nauseum, with no real consequence.
I lament the fact that our party is becoming splintered over abortion the way the GOP is currently splintered into the radicals and the moderates. I feel that the bill, even with concessions, is desirable, and that we should not sacrifice the good for the sake of the perfect. The fact of the matter is that the bill would not have passed had the abortion concessions not been made. Democrats need to recognize this, and realize that abortion isn’t anywhere near the central pillar of this bill. I do think the bill will end up passing the Senate, even if by a 51-50 vote, despite Lieberman and the Republicans. We’ve waited too long for this; we shouldn’t keep ourselves waiting because what we have is good but not perfect.
As for your other two points, Mark, I’m not worried.
I just realized: it must suck to be a Republican. You’re out of power in the House and Senate, have lost the presidency, have fewer governorships than the Dems, and are characterized by segments of the population that are rapidly being replaced by Democratic voting groups. Wow. I almost feel heartfelt sympathy. Almost.
And re all your talking points about Dems not understanding economics:
#1- Most economists are Democrats. Don’t you think there might be a reason for that?
#2- The last president to have produced a budget surplus, and the same president who presided over the longest sustained period of economic growth in the last hundred years was Bill Clinton, a tax and spend Democrat. Hmmmm…
#3- After the Republicans had six or seven years to show how it’s done on the economy, from 01-07/08, the economy crumpled. Hmmmm….hmmmm….I wonder….
wow…a froot-stooge…thats a libtard liar…lol…
really must suck to do all that writing and be as smart as a rock eh froot…so many words and not one real fact there!!
“I do think the bill will end up passing the Senate, even if by a 51-50 vote, despite Lieberman and the Republicans. We’ve waited too long for this; we shouldn’t keep ourselves waiting because what we have is good but not perfect.”
The 51-50 vote is okay if the bill makes it out of cloture. It is not okay if Reid uses the nuclear option and passes it using procedures for which it was not meant. The nuclear option is only meant for emergency budgetary items and healthcare is not one of them.
But why would I expect Democrats to adhere to the Constitution.
It must suck to be of a party where no one accepts their ideas. Democrats (looters) continually have to buy their votes and the moochers’ pockets are getting deeper and deeper and their isn’t enough real money to pay them off. Hence Obamateur has to start printing money that the country does not have.
I feel sorry for such a mind-numbed, useful idiot lemming such as yourself. Try hanging a pork chop around your neck to you can get some badly needed attention even though it would only be from the family pet.
#1 – Can you prove that? Because for each liberal economist, I can probably show you two conservative.
#2 – Do you understand the difference between a “projected” surplus and an actual one? And do you understand Gingrich’s “Contract with America’s” role in that?
#3 – The reason the GOP lost in 2006 was because of their out of control spending, and now the democrats have quadrupled it, ignoring that fact. That doesn’t bode well for them in 2010.
You’ll see. NJ was just the beginning. Actually 2010 will be a fairly easy win.
“These young liberals have no concept of money, economics, hardships etc. ” – Cluster
Uh-huh.
Which is why I grew up on a farm where my extended family who ran the farm were poor as the dirt it sat on because of CORPORATE farming which forced small farms out of business.
Which is why we were on welfare for awhile because my dad lost his job in the steel mill where he sometimes doubled out on 16 hour shifts next to boiling steel and inches away from death every minute.
BTW my dad worked his ass off and we ended up on welfare because some bigshot thought it would be cheaper to make steel elsewhere instead of America.
We lived without electricity and water for awhile. My dad feel into alcoholism and my mon into depression.
I ALWAYS made good grades in high school – I worked (yes worked) my ass off for those grades, thinking that if I got into college it would lift me out of poverty.
I did get into school and got TWO degrees. During my Master’s I had 4 semesters of a 4.0 grade point average.
And finally, I do have a decent job. But it would not be good enough for you people because I work in an area that is not business related. it is not good enough for you people because I help people instead of selling things. It is not good enough for you people because a don’t work 80 hours a week.
I did NOT spend my life looking for free handouts. I spent my life trying to get out of poverty and trying to help other people even less fortunate than myself.
Don’t tell me that I don’t understand poverty and economic hardship.
I was born in the seventies, though – but I am a child of the eighties.
But I also know that CORPORATIONS destroyed our country. Yes the government doesn’t always do the best job either, but most every job that I have seen lost in my lifetime, especially now, is because soem CORPORATION decided that the bottom line was more important than a human life.
Money has always trumped human life. Period. That is not what I want for the world. But many of you people who support the crookedness of these large corporations (such as PRIVATE HEALTH CARE INSURANCE COMPANIES)and support them as the rip off the common man DO care more about money than human life.
We NEED to change that or we will all perish.
my dad worked his ass off and we ended up on welfare
My dad feel into alcoholism and my mon into depression.
I also know that CORPORATIONS destroyed our country.
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Ahh yes the EEEEEEVILL corporations caused your father to be an alcoholic get fired and end up on welfare.
Typical libtard …..BLAME EVERYONE else it is always somebody elses fault.
no wonder you are nuttier than bat shiite.
wonker
funny you do not mention the abortion industry that has murdered over 50 MILLION americans for billions in profit.
PS……. the UNIONS ruined the steel industry. Not “greedy corporations”
for a man with two degrees you sure didnt learn much.
Neocon,
You are such a worthless piece of crap.
My father made his own choices when it came to alcoholism, but having a lifestyle deteriorate into poverty because he got terminated from the mill do not ease the matter.
And yes, the mill DID close because of jobs being shipped overseas – NOT the union. My dad was there. If he were still alive he would tell you.
Oh, but he can’t because he was MURDERED.
You know, when alcoholism got the best of him he hung around with the wrong people – and was STILL very generous to them, even when he hardly had a dime he would give to others – eventually at the expense of his life.
He was murdered (beaten to death) by a man for a few bucks he had in his pocket and a case of beer.
YOU don’t know much about history is you do not know why many mills closed.
Did YOU ever bust you ass as a steelworker?
No? Didn’t think so. Pussy.
Your insults make me sick.
Your mentality makes me sick.
Your inability to feel compassion for anyone other than yourself makes me sick.
Your ego makes me sick.
Your conceit ans self-centeredness makes me sick.
I help people for a living.
What do you do – insult them?
You are a worthless human being and a disgrace rto the Marines.
I know several people in the military and they have more value and more character than you could have in ten lifetimes.
I spit on you, loser.
Now I remember why I stopped trying to make intelligent points here and just started to be sarcastic.
You people are so unrealistic all you do is insult people because you have no compassion and no way to argue good points except to say that the other person does not know what they are talking about.
You people would rather insult and act like BABIES than actually try to understand other people.
You always have to be right, at any cost, even when you are wrong.
You are pathetic.
And you wonder why people who come here act like “trolls.”
Well, maybe when they get treated like dirt when they try to actually make converstaion and true civilized debate – maybe they decise that being sarcastic to others and being a “troll” is better.
Why? Because that is the only thing you people can understand. You have no concept of the REAL world.
You are a disgrace to the military.
You are a disgrace to Conservatives.
You are a disgrace to Christians.
I do not have a problem with any of you because you are Conservative, Christian, in the military, or whatever.
I have a problem with YOU – your personal ignorant attitudes.
You are babies, and that is the only truth that I ever see expressed here on this site.
Hey Neocon, go suck on Mommy’s teat for awhile, you pathetic baby.
wonker
Ha Ha Ha what a hoot.
you are truly unbalanced.
and yes I worked for Bethlehem steel in western N.Y. in the mid to late 60’s.
I worked in a slab mill, later I worked for American Brass….so much for your ignorance.
seriously fat boy you need to chill on some Prozac,you are one angry pencil neck.
so you are ok with 1/6 of our economy being run by the govt.?
Oh thats right you have a govt job. you moochers and takers who produce nothing make me want to puke!
SWW
a moocher and looter….you should like this.
“We are going to have a complete government takeover of our health care system faster than you can say, ‘this is making me sick,’” said Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich.
is this where we are heading???
Sarkozy to act over pensions shortfall
President Nicolas Sarkozy will next year press ahead with measures to make people work longer for their pensions to reform France’s cash-strapped retirement system, according to a senior official.
Plugging the deficit in the pay-as-you-go pension system is regarded as a critical test of Mr Sarkozy’s appetite for further economic reforms as he enters the second half of his five-year presidency. There have been fears that reform could be postponed until after the 2012 election.
Global Insight: Rebellion in the ring at Sarkozy’s circus of contradictions – Nov-05
But the French official told the Financial Times: “There will be a decision. I have no doubt about that. It is unavoidable.”
The pensions shortfall in the social security system is forecast to hit €10.7bn in 2010 and is growing rapidly.
Without FDR, I would hate to see where we would be today…
Where would you be today, bravefart? Well, you’c probably have to find a job…
I hate to tell you sirwilly, but it was the unreasonable union demands that made the idea of moving steel mills out of the US so desirable. Guess what, most times when there is a union, the cost of doing business gets so expensive that the business will start looking for alternatives.
I have watched jobs with companies where the employees bought the union lies go by-by. In fact, so did my father. He started out as a film rep in the 50’s. But when some moron decided that they wanted to unionize to increase pay, over 90% of the jobs disappeared. He then became a clothing sales rep, and worked hard to prevent unionization of that industry for over 20 years. When he left his job to run his own company, he earned over twice as much as most of the film reps (they worked to get films in theatres) who had been in those positions when he switched.
While fr00ty and willy bleat happily about their perceptions of how it must suck to be a Republican right now, they are part of the reason it is actually pretty great to be a Republican right now. As long as THIS is the opposition, being a Republican right now is definitely occupying the High Ground.
To paraphrase—-and clean up—-an old farm saying, they both represent 20 pounds of ignorance in 5-pound sacks.
What utter crapola…….
If willy’s bragging about his grades is true, it just illustrates the fact that academia is full of ivory-tower morons who can get good grades but don’t have the sense God gave a goose. He doesn’t seem to wonder how he could be so magnificantly “educated” and still know so little.
I know farmers. I grew up on a farm, I have relatives who farm, I am now a rancher which is a minor distinction, and I know that while the eeeeevil mustache-twirling CORPORATE farms are common, the intelligent, hard-working, small-farm farmer can and does make a living.
There are always people who can and will find someone, anyone, to blame for their own failures. These people are usually Leftists, and seem to breed true.
There is a place for spineless sniveling collectivists who want someone else (the State) to do the heavy lifting, take the rsponsibility, make the decisions, and dole out subsistence-level handouts (taken from the productive, with the top siphoned off by the political elites). But that place is not the United States.
This is a great nation which became great by rejecting collectivism and basing its future on the belief in the individual. It was clearly and specifically founded on a rejection of a powerful central State, with every word of its founding documents making that absolutely unambiguous.
Collectivists, Statists, such as willy and the aptly named fr00ty, are quite able to pursue their dreams of a Nanny State in which the productive and successful are penalized, and the fruits of their labors confiscated to be doled out to the slackers. They just can’t remake THIS country into the land of their dreams. They just can’t subvert THIS Constitution to force THIS nation into a direction diametrically opposite the clearly stated intent of the Founding Fathers.
“Most economists are Democrats”
“Corporations destroyed our country”
“Michael Moore makes documentaries”
“There is a scientific consensus that man-made global warming is destroying the earth”
“Socailism is a viable economic system resulting in a higher standar of living for all”
And so on……..the pathetic lies Lefties tell themselves in their headlong rush to be the first over the cliff
‘Freedom Memorial’ shut down by university authorites – ‘offensive’
“We’re just twenty years away from the collapse of the Soviet Union’s despotic enslavement of hundreds of millions of people, yet everyone seems to forget that socialism killed over 150,000,000 people in the 20th century. All that gets lost in the convenient narrative our professors would have us believe. With this event, we’re striking down false notions. We’re speaking truth to power.”
YAL leader John Burns reported on the event today.
The university shut it down… It was too offensive.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/freedom_memorial_shut_down_by.html
“Oh thats right you have a govt job. you moochers and takers who produce nothing make me want to puke!” – neocon
um, I DO NOT work in a government job. I work for a private psychological agency with DISABLED children.
You can stickj it where the sun don’t shine if you think that is an “unproductive” job.
I have also worked for group homes in the past – WIPING PEOPLE”S ASSES!
I have taken care of people who would otherwise not be able to care for themselves.
You can call that unproductive if you want. I call it FAR more productive than SELLING crap to people that they do not need.
Maybe I’ll have to wipe your ass someday when you are too old and infirm to do it for yourself.
Nah, I think I’ll just let you sit in your shit till you get eaten alive by worms rotting in your intestines. How’s that? Unproductive? You can kiss my ass.
Just because I think that people need to band together to try to make this country better – just because I think that people need to get this “mine, mine, mine” notion out of their head, just because I think that you people can stick your “I ain’t gonna give MY money to no slacker.” attitude up your ass – does NOT mean that I am unproductive.
You people are worthless and as far from “Christians” as I have ever seen. You have no desire to help anyone but yourselves while you get fatter and richer.
YOU make me want to puke.
Deleted – mindless insults.
sirwanker
I have also worked for group homes in the past – WIPING PEOPLE”S ASSES!
Finally something I can believe YOU can do although it does seem above your natural ability.
BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAA HA HA HA
sirwanker
I call it FAR more productive than SELLING crap to people that they do not need.
Whhhhaaaaatt? you mean the Eskimos dont need those freezers?
Deleted – even more mindless insults.
sirwank
Nah, I think I’ll just let you sit in your (expletive deleted) till you get eaten alive by worms rotting in your intestines. How’s that? Unproductive? You can kiss my ass.
sounds like your living room couch with the willywanker family…..thanks ill pass.
So what is a few more trillion we dont have, leave it to you moochers and looters to want everybody else pay your fare through life….count me out wanker I have my own family to care about not yours.
Deleted – boring, mindless insults.
Sirwilly
really are you on drugs ?
or a drunk ?
you are out of control and seriously need some anger management……..
this is a blog for crying out loud. People say what they want. If you cant handle it here, how do you survive in the real world if the cyber one makes you so nuts?
YOU are the type who goes into work one day and blows everyone away jeesh.
LOL- neo posts mindless insults, and william posts mindless insults. Guess which one gets deleted? (OK, this is a conservative blog…it’s not fair and balanced anyway…but you might wanna moderate teh comment streams more fairly, Mark. Mark?)
froot
if Mark did, we would never from YOU again. be careful for what you ask.