Holder’s Upcoming Three-Ring Circus
Tags: 9/11, Terrorist Trial.
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Yep:
Years after the circus-like trials of Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman and the 1993 World Trade Center bombers, Attorney General Eric Holder, acting for the president, has asked for a repeat performance. He is ordering trials in New York of five men who finally succeeded in the original plan to bring down those towers and, in the process, kill almost 3,000 civilians.
There is every reason to believe that in these trials the government may face even more substantial Sixth Amendment hurdles than it did in the original World Trade Center case — hurdles relating to the defendants’ rights to counsel, to subpoena witnesses, and to obtain access to classified information regarding the detention abroad of terrorists. Then there is their treatment while in detention and the names of states and state actors who assisted us in bringing to heel those who murder us here and abroad.
Do any of you pinhead liberals out there think we have KSM’s fingerprints on the written order stating “drive planes in to buildings”? When dealing with psychotic, mass murders you don’t get evidence like that – why do you think KSM was hiding in Pakistan while his minions were driving planes in to buildings? If KSM really believed in the cause, he’d have been one of the pilots…but, no, he wasn’t. He doesn’t really believe in the stated cause, and thus kept himself as far away from evidence as possible because he knew he was doing wrong.
Stalin was like that, too. So was Lenin. You think if we sifted through the Cuban state archives we’d find orders signed by Castro for all those murders? In Arafat’s private papers are there detailed instructions on how to torture and murder captive Jews? I feel pretty certain that the evidence we have on KSM is highly circumstantial and strongly based on the words of others, some of which will be hearsay and other bits will have been coerced. The basics of the trial are shot through with elements a determined and clever defense attorney can make hay with.
And, so, even if we get a conviction, the ultimate result will be to provide KSM a platform, put him back in the Islamist eye as a hero and the whole effort will be used to put the United States on trial and the global left – domestic and foreign – will be all over it.
Of all the terrible decisions made by the Obama Administration, this is the worst – and the one most likely to be paid for in blood, in the by and by.
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63 Responses to “Holder’s Upcoming Three-Ring Circus”
Caucus of Corruption
Cappy,
My post was very salient, and accurately descriptive of you. It also followed neocon1’s appropriate answer to your inane question, so I did not feel the need to be redundant. mmmm k?
cluster,
So you want to bomb people we are not at war with? Kill women and children and involve us in yet another war or three?
caspuke
So you want to bomb people we are not at war with? Kill women and children
Like Iran and their surrigates hamas do daily to Isreal.
where have you been in a cave in tora bora?
what a jerk!!
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5902.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2001-2003.htm
Cappy just proved my earlier post. Game, set, match.
While I have huge problems with this decision by Holder, I take comfort in knowing that this decision will guarantee Obama’s defeat in 2012. These trials will still be going on, costing taxpayers millions, providing s public stage to jihadi’s while Americans remain unemployed and over taxed. It’s a win-win for a conservative victory.
casper
Kill women and children
ahh yes the ole fo da chillen again….
while a monster like tiller attends “church” and sips wine with you and your ilk, and you sing his praises.
while walking on the graves of 50 MILLION murdered babies.
Im impressed you are sooooo worried about the little muslem women and children who cheer our destruction.
minniehead whines,
“I see, constitutional and international law doesn’t apply when bad guys are involved. Only petty bad guys need apply.”
uh, under international law, these individuals can be tried as enemy combatants in a military trial and our Constitution does not apply to these individuals. They are not afforded the same protections as those who are in the military, UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW and the rules of war.
For example, German special forces OUT OF UNIFORM were caught on American soil were tried by military tribunals and EXECUTED and under international law was legal. The same applies to an individual wearing the uniform of another country as is caught as infiltrators.
Also, under international law, these individuals can be held, just like prisoners of war, until the conflict is over. Just because the Obamateur call the “War on Terror” another name does not change the fact that the war is not over.
Your weak pathetic arguments have no basis in real law. So, stop repeating the tired old talking points about how these people were held without rights. They have no rights under our Constitution because they are not American citizens. And they have no rights under international law, because they are not part of a recognized military. They chose their path and should suffer the consequences of their misguided choices.
“This is nothing more than partisan politics at work.” You got that part right. This is pure Chicago politics and a slap in the face of the previous administration and Obamateur appeasing his base who hates this country. Why does Obamateur placate to those who hate this country? And since you support him, why do you hate this country?
Don’t bother responding with your unintelligent drivel.
by Par Buchanon
When the Justice Department sets up a task force to wage war on a crime organization like the Mafia or MS-13, no U.S. official has a right to shoot Mafia or gang members on sight. No one has a right to bomb their homes. No one has a right to regard the possible death of their wives and children in an attack as acceptable collateral damage.
A jaw-dropping expose on the six-month undercover operation that revealed the true terror-supporting nature of CAIR: “Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That’s Conspiring to Islamize America.” It’s also available in electronic form at reduced price through Scribd.
Yet that is what we do to al-Qaida, to which KSM belongs.
We conduct those strikes in good conscience because we believe we are at war. But if we are at war, what is KSM doing in a U.S. court?
Minoru Genda, who planned the attack on Pearl Harbor, a naval base on U.S. soil, when America was at peace, and killed nearly as many Americans as the Sept. 11 hijackers, was not brought here for trial. He was an enemy combatant under the Geneva Conventions and treated as such.
When Maj. Andre, the British spy and collaborator of Benedict Arnold, was captured, he got a military tribunal, after which he was hanged. When Gen. Andrew Jackson captured two British subjects in Spanish Florida aiding renegade Indians, Jackson had both tried and hanged on the spot.
Enemy soldiers who commit atrocities are not sent to the United States for trial. Under the Geneva Conventions, soldiers who commit atrocities are shot when caught.
When and where did Khalid Sheikh Mohammed acquire his right to a trial by a jury of his peers in a U.S. court?
full article here..
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=116268
cluster,
You proved nothing. You just avoided the question.
“tiredoflibbs “,
Except that the Supreme Court doesn’t agree:
How many times does that need to be pointed out around here?
Pas de touché…
Why not? Both give us an opportunity to attack an enemy ideology directly.
Where did you hear this? I’m not sure what they could have learned from the trial that they could not have learned by watching Law & Order, and I’m not sure what they could have learned from the first attack that could have helped them with the second (remember, the only thing they had in common was the target).
That wouldn’t surprise me. He pleaded guilty in the military tribunal, and will probably do it again.
None of which had anything to do with either the Nazi’s legacy or a potential insurgency.
Do you really think that jihadis will be swayed by KSM’s rhetoric? It’s the potential recruits we have to worry about, and they do still care about human rights at that point.
18 U.S.C. § 2332b disagrees. The precedent for the application of this sort of law to foreign nationals is USA v. Omar Ahmad Ali Abdel-Rahman et al.
winnow,
He’s not an American citizen; he’s not in American territory…he’s not covered by our Constitution.
Why doesn’t this get through to you liberals? You think the rules of evidence from Nuremberg would have stood up to US court scrutiny? My goodness, when someone was uncooperative in those trials they were just turned over to the Russians who worked them over until they talked…
minniehead,
the Supreme Court was wrong. PERIOD.
Are you going to argue that the Supreme Court is all knowing? Incapable of mistakes?
There was a time that the Supreme Court held up slavery as legal and that slaves were property.
But you, of course, put your entire faith in government and that it is infallible as evidenced by your unintelligent responses.