The real cost of Obamacare is likely to be vastly higher than stated:
Congressional Democrats are using several budget gimmicks to disguise the cost of their health care overhaul, claiming the House and Senate bills would cost only (!) about $1 trillion over 10 years. Now that critics have begun to correct for those budget gimmicks, supporters of ObamaCare are firing back.
One gimmick makes the new entitlement spending appear smaller by not opening the spigot until late in the official 10-year budget window (2010–2019). Correcting for that gimmick in the Senate version, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) estimates, “When all this new spending occurs” — i.e., from 2014 through 2023 — “this bill will cost $2.5 trillion over that ten-year period.”
Another gimmick pushes much of the legislation’s costs off the federal budget and onto the private sector by requiring individuals and employers to purchase health insurance. When the bills force somebody to pay $10,000 to the government, the Congressional Budget Office treats that as a tax. When the government then hands that $10,000 to private insurers, the CBO counts that as government spending. But when the bills achieve the exact same outcome by forcing somebody to pay $10,000 directly to a private insurance company, it appears nowhere in the official CBO cost estimates — neither as federal revenues nor federal spending. That’s a sharp departure from how the CBO treated similar mandates in the Clinton health plan…
And on and on it goes. They are lying to us. Obama is lying. Reid is lying. Pelosi is lying. Everyone who is pushing for this bill is lying – not only lying, but they know they are lying. And they don’t care. Because its not about justice or love or even good policy – it is about control.
Obama, Pelosi and Reid like being in control – and the price they are ordered to pay for retaining the support of their leftist paymasters is a health care bill. And the leftist paymasters want it so that they can gain control over us – they’ll do it via health care or global warming, but by one means or another, the left is determined that the American people lose power over their own lives. The left is tired of dealing with us and wants us shackled and silenced so that the left may remake society in the left’s ideals.
The left is at war with God and Man, and wants to make a society where God is forbidden and Man is a mere block of wood for social experimentation. This has been the goal of all leftists since the dawn of leftist thinking in the 18th century. That each experiment tried has been insanely stupid and, often, costly in lives is unimportant – the key is that God not be allowed and Man be a willing pawn. Eventually, the left figures they’ll get it right and heaven on Earth will result. And in America, the left just doesn’t want to argue any more – and the figuring on the left is that even if Obamacare costs the Democrats the 2010 and 2012 elections, the fact of Obamacare becoming reality will eventually force Americans on the public dole and thus make them unwilling to vote for any anti-government party – Europe will come to America.
So, expect a raft of lies and a huge amount of skullduggery – and keep faith; we shall have them and we will restore our nation.
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“If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow.”
–”Revolution,” The Beatles
I want my country back!!!
Spending Program: Medicare Part A
What politicians said it would cost: $9 billion a year by 1990
What it actually cost: $67 billion a year
Spending Program: Entire Medicare Program
What politicians said it would cost: $12 billion a year by 1990
What it actually cost: $110 billion a year
Spending Program: Medicare relief to states for hospitals
What politicians said it would cost: $1 billion a year in 1992
What it actually cost: $17 billion a year
The looters have a long history of vastly understating their costs for vote bribery. They should have thought of the costs for their schemes before passing their massive spending bills earlier this year $1.5 trillion in political paybacks and slush funds errr, stimulus, bailouts and omnibus spending.
“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it.” – Frederic Bastiat
“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.” – Dr. Adrian Rogers
“It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others’ productivity, when they modify the commandment: ‘Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.’ The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor.” – Gary North
James Madison warned: ‘Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and
contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.’
Alexander F. Tyler stated: ‘A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of
government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the treasury with the result that democracies always
collapse over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a dictatorship.’
Fisher Ames stated: ‘Liberty has never lasted long in a democracy, nor has it
ever ended in anything better than despotism.’
Samuel Adams stated: ‘Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes itself,
exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not
commit suicide.’
As Benjamin Franklin emerged from Independence Hall in Philadelphia, he was asked by an onlooker what form of government he and his countrymen had created during the first and to date, only constitutional convention. His answer: ‘A Republic, if you can keep it.’
The Founders understood that there is a spectrum of Liberty that spans a
gradient from anarchy, which is 0% government and 100% Liberty, to
totalitarianism, which is 100% government and 0% Liberty. On this scale, Democracy is past the center and heading towards increasing government and Socialism. A little further past Socialism and you reach Fascism and then true totalitarianism — 100% government and zero individual Liberty.
There is so much wrong this bill it boggles the mind that any American would support it. But the bottom line is, we can’t afford it. The looter and lemmings have already borrowed more than their allowance and now they want more, much like spoiled children. Enough is enough. It’s past time we became fiscally responsible.
Tired
keep posting those quotes they are 100% spot on.
“A change it is a coming” (bob dylan)
http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-far-fetched-in-1948.html
sums it up pretty well.
I think the first step is to recognize that this is not a health care bill. It is a government power grab bill cloaked in health care rhetoric, just as the “stimulus bill” was a blank check for the Executive Branch thinly cloaked in financial rescue rhetoric.
It is all about power. The Left is always all about power. They are brilliant at disguising their true intentions in the rhetoric of the day—-anti-aristocracy in France and 1900s Russia, nationalism in 1930s Germany, whatever it takes.
Taking the pulse of an ever-less-energetic America, the Left has decided that the sheeps clothing for this power grab in 2000s USA will work best if phrased as “help” for the poor and deserving, if it is called “fairness” and even “leveling the playing field”. These semantic maneuvers allow them to sucker in the truly well-meaning who just lack the intellectual vigor to look more deeply into the origins of the movement that seems so benign and generous on the surface.
But it is all about power.
If not for the alternative media, it would be even more successful than it is today, which is why we will be facing battles on the issues of the so-called “Fairness Doctrine” and “Net Neutrality”—both of them efforts to stifle free speech as it appears on radio and the internet, and to put the dissemination of “news” back in the hands of the Complicit Agenda Media.
Then why didn’t they nationalize the financial industry when they had the chance? Remember, back when Obama was nominated we were still in financial crisis mode, his approval rating was astronomical, and there were a lot of people, including prestigious economists who at the time had very public profiles (e.g. Robert Reich) who were saying that the bailouts were a bad idea because the banks would just do what they wanted, so we should nationalize the banks instead. If we had done that, then the Cabal could have easily formulated the legislation so that the government had control over individual accounts, and that would have been that for any opposition.
Which is precisely why healthcare reform is so urgent. According to the CBO (p. 3), by far the largest factor in the increasing Medicare costs is not the aging of the population, but the increasing cost of healthcare in general. The CBO has also stated (p. 10) that “Over long periods, cost growth per beneficiary in the Medicare and Medicaid programs has tended to track cost trends in private-sector markets for health care.” If we fix the healthcare system in general, Medicare will be fixed as well.
Both socialism and fascism are 100% government and 0% individual liberty. (Well, fascism might be about 98%, but that’s not much of a difference). Additionally, it is not necessary for a totalitarian government to interfere in economic activity, though most do.
sergei buddy,
We need government healthcare reform to fix government healthcare? Seriously? And with this expensive education you are getting, are you telling us that you can’t thank of another approach to reforming a system that, overall operates pretty well but is in need of some of work to bring down costs and cover more people? No ideas? Just let the same people who run Medicare throw another trillion dollar plan against the wall? I’d say you’re over paying for that education.
Sergei is revealing his RRL roots again—as if the choice of name was not a clue.
When people bring up the failures of socialist efforts in the US, the RRL response is that of course they failed, we just didn’t go far enough, spend enough, DO enough, to LET them succeed.
The process is never at fault, it is the EXECUTION of the process that failed. So we are to keep going back to the same failed processes, over and over again, and throw even MORE money and energy into them. There will always be an excuse for the failure, and that excuse will never be the realization that the process itself is fatally flawed.
It’s a special kind of blindless, acquired only through effort and constant revision of history, but a blindness essential to ongoing participation in the fallacies of socialism.
Step away from health care for a moment, and look at the War on Poverty. Now THAT was a simpler problem than health care, wouldn’t you think? What makes people poor? Why, lack of money, of course. So if we give those people money, lift them out of that poverty cycle, so their children know something other than poverty, then those children will be more able to participate in the American Dream. Poverty in this country will be ende, eradicated.. The poor will no longer be struggling, their children will be educated and productive, oh what a wonderful world we can create!!
Ignore the fact that we PROMOTE poveryty by importing millions of uneducated poor every year—what about our home-grown poor? How much was the plan supposed to cost? How much were wer PROMISED it would cost? What were we PROMISED it would achieve? How much HAS it cost, so far? How much has it achieved? And how many of the agencies created through the War On Poverty plan are still in existence, still being funded, and still accomplishing nothing toward the goal of abolishing poverty in this nation?
You want to see our “health care” plan in 20 years or 40 years, look at the War On Poverty plan, and multiply its costs and its failures.
(BTW, the most striking blow on poverty itself was the Contract With America plan to reform welfare, vetoed repeatedly by Clinton and then finally signed into law, which TOOK AWAY government funds for the poor and forced them to find employment. The results of THAT program were, according to those forced out of the system, not only increased income but increased independence, self-respect, and role models for the children. Hmmm.)
“The results of THAT program were, according to those forced out of the system, not only increased income but increased independence, self-respect, and role models for the children. Hmmm.”
Amazona, that is the fly in the ointment. The looters can’t have moochers discovering for themselves that they can be independent of government and become part of the producers.