The Result of Engaging Iran’s Mullahs
Tags: Middle East, nuclear weapons.
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We told you so, liberals:
Iran angrily refused Sunday to comply with a demand by the United Nations nuclear agency to cease work on a once-secret nuclear fuel enrichment plant, and escalated the confrontation by declaring it would construct 10 more such plants.
The response to the demand came as Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said his cabinet would also order a study of what it would take for Iran to further enrich its existing stockpile of nuclear fuel for use in a medical reactor — rather than rely on Russia or another nation, as agreed to in an earlier tentative deal.
Cabals of corrupt lunatics are not amenable to logic and appeals to human decency. It wasn’t a guess that Iran’s government would take President Obama’s “engagement” and spit in his face; the only thing to guess was just how they would do it. Here’s how.
What you liberals fail to understand – quite amazingly as its common knowledge – is that when you want to “engage Iran”, you’re not engaging Iran. If we could get together with legitimate representatives of the Iranian people, we’d make great progress…but, then again, if the Iranian people had legitimate representatives, there would be no big issues to deal with (you’ll note that we don’t have a lot of war-threatening confrontations with Canada).
The problem is that there are no legitimate representatives of the Iranian people to deal with – we’re dealing with wicked men who do nasty things because they delight in being evil (and they know its evil – we are judged as we judge…and as the kooks running Iran don’t want an American to strap on a bomb and blow up their families in Tehran and as they don’t want America threatening to “wipe Iran off the map”; they know full well they shouldn’t be facilitating these things, and they do it any way).
Until we steel ourselves to the prospect (not the inevitability – the prospect) of war with Iran and take actions which use American power to force Iran to the negotiating table, this problem will just get worse. One day, perhaps soon, Iran will have built nuclear weapons unless we act to prevent them…and “act to prevent them” does not mean “engage them”. It means “confront them” and risk war in order to thwart their wicked designs. More than likely, it won’t come to war – but if we don’t have the threat of it at back of all we do with Iran, nothing we do will work.
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18 Responses to “The Result of Engaging Iran’s Mullahs”
Caucus of Corruption
Where are the golden words to be uttered by Obamateur that would have halted Iran and North Korea nuclear plans?
You moochers and looters were so confident and so outspoken that the Chosen One could solve the worlds problems through talking rather than force of arms.
Well????
We see the result. Iran is walking all over the Amateur in Chief just as predicted.
What Obama has done its made it absolutely obvious to the whole world that the US is reaching out to Iran and has taken the moral high road. Have you noticed how both Russia and china have started to play ball when it comes to dealing with Iran? Iran is now more isolated than ever before. The Iranian leadership can’t even whip up a negative atmosphere against the US anymore something that used to be pretty easy. No one sees you as the big Satan now. I would argue that the Obama administration directly and indirectly are a big reason why the Iranian leadership is close to imploding. Countries that traditionally always supported Iran are now finding it increasingly harder to do so, the Iranian leadership no longer have the support of their own people. Those guys are feeling both internal and external pressure now and as a result are desperately trying to appear strong and determined. This will of cause not help them one bit. My prediction is that China and Russian will agree to much tougher sanctions within a couple of months. For the first time ever the Iranian people will blame their own government for this and not the international society. Now, the current Iranian leadership is never going to cave in, that’s obvious. But this will eventually lead to either the internal collapse of the Iranian leadership which would be good or Israel bombing Iran’s nuclear sites and very very few countries objecting to it. Why won’t they object to it? because they can see that the US, EU, China, Russia etc. did all they could to solve this the diplomatic way.
OF COURSE they are walking all over him. He is weak, he projects weakness, the world knows he is weak, and there is no down side to flipping him off and going about ones’ business.
Obama tried postruing as the Big Dog when he was coming down on AMERICANS, giving us his Mean Daddy scowl and pointing his finger at us and intoning “I will be ON you”—and the nation laughed at him. The world laughed at him.
Mean Daddy don’t hack it in the real world.
As Mark said in one of his posts, “I’m warning you—-and if you keep doing it, I’m going to warn you again”.
You can’t bluff if you’ve already shown your cards. It’s not just that the RRL pulls Barry’s strings—-HIS OWN IDEOLOGY makes him incapable of doing anything to make the United States stand strong, and anyone who has bothered to read his books, listen to his words, and examine the agendas and ideologies of those with whom he has surrounded himself to help ‘transform’ this country can see it for themselves.
Iran knows Barry is ideologically and personally unsuited for command, and is taking advantage of it.
Barry—this is the Big Show. You can’t just vote “Present”.
Wow—I missed the obvious—that once Barry set a good example, a la Mr. Rogers, then those bad actors Russia and China were soooo embarrassed by his moral superiority that they said “Gee, we want to be as good as Barry” and started to follow his lead.
Who knew that these superpowers just needed a kindly and morally superior example to follow?
Based on this theory of the RRL, or at least of rasmus, if we had only elected a Ghandi back in, say, the 30’s, Mao and Stalin would have had a good and kind and pacific and morally upright role model, and would not have had to slaughter millions upon millions just to establish and maintain power. Who knew?
I sure never realized that under the brutality and viciousness of the power-mad Chinese and Russian regimes lay the hearts of those just pining away for the guidance of a truly moral man, to lead them.
Ah, yes, Obamao IS truly the Messiah…
And yet… talking to Iran didn’t hurt anything at all.
It did however make the world see the U.S. as trying to accomplish things WITHOUT sabre-rattling and that is paramount to getting the world behind us and against Iran. That is what will bring a resolution to this situation one way or the other. Instead of going it alone and looking like the big bully, it showed the U.S. as trying to be peace makers.
You people just fail to see this since you are blind to anything but bombing Iran to the stone age.
joe,
“trying to accomplish things …”
yes joe, he is trying to accomplish things with little or no success. Iran is walking all over him and all Obamateur can do is spit and sputter. China and Russia are unwilling to do anything and Obamateur just continues to show weakness.
Oh, and your “go at it alone” and “big bully” talking points are too outdated and debunked. There is a time for talking and a time for action. Reagan did it. He talked and when the situation did not changed then he resorted to action. Same with Bush. Obamateur on the other hand, like Carter, projects weakness and nothing will be accomplished as predicted.
Collectivism is the enemy of liberty and freedom.
talking to Iran didn’t hurt anything at all.
It did however make the world see the U.S. as trying to accomplish things WITHOUT sabre-rattling and that is paramount to getting the world behind us and against Iran…joeboston
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The folks here who are spoiling for a fight are not interested in diplomacy, joeboston.
They care not a whit how their country is perceived by other nations. War is their mantra and they will not be satisfied until blood is spilled and their thirst for dominance is sated.
A peaceful approach is abhorrent to them. Pure & simple.
let it not be said we didn’t try everything short of attacking, more than once.
Joeboston is right
We need to move away from the notion, that the only two options we have to any given situation are ‘fight or flight’.
Luckily the vast majority of the world population seem to like the way the Obama administration is behaving towards other countries according to poll numbers. It seems to have created an environment in which different countries have begun to come together to deal with different issues. I’m not saying that we are there yet but Im starting to see a trend. Where Bush was almost hated in Europe and beyond, Obama is very well respected. How horrible the right must feel!
I think the right wingers are extremely bitter because their guy was made so much fun off during his 8 years. Books (plural) have been written just about Bush’s verbal missteps and all the right wingers can come up with regarding Obama is the one about 57 states (like you actually believe he thinks there are 57 states). I’m sorry Bush was such a laughingstock all over the world and that he was so unpopular…really, but this is what happens when you start one war, take your eye off the ball and start another, destroy your own countries reputation as a moral fortress, torture people, can’t pronounce nuclear and almost collapse the world economy.
rasmus says: November 30th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
wait a sec rasmus.
this thread is about iran.
not bush’s small brain…
Our resident liberals obviously have short term memories. Either that or they are just hoping that the rest of us have completely forgotten about the great success’s Carter and Chamberlain had with this approach to foreign policy. And rasmus buddy, maybe you can help us out here and show us the great steps China and Russia have made to helping us with Iran. I must’ve missed that.
Gee, it didn’t take long to get back to Bush-bashing, did it? The Usual Suspects have nothing better to fall back on, ever.
(BTW, Barry knows there are not 57 states, dummy—he clearly said he had been in 57 of the 58 states. First said he’d been in all 57, then corrected it to say 57 of the 58. As for what he really believes on anything, well, what day is it?)
Yes, we do understand the difference in attitude between the RRL and the GOP. Just as you guys resent the hell out of being called weak-kneed spineless appeasers, we find it unproductive to be called warmongers who are just itching for a fight.
If you think the Iranians making the decisions are good guys at heart, with the same goals and dreams we have, who are just misunderstood, then the touchy-feely Boys Club approach is the right one.
If you think that the Iranians making the decisions are ruthless tyrants determined to do whatever they can to bring about the chaos and destruction and blood in the streets necessary for the return of the 12th Imam and the elevation of A-Jad to prophet status as a hero of Islam, with no regard for the same sensibilities that normal people have, then a stick is a more reasonable approach than a candygram.
But what it really comes down to is leadership. Like it or not—and we do realize that the RRL REALLY DO NOT LIKE IT—the United States is in a position of leadership in the world, due to its size and wealth and strength, and therefore SHOULD LEAD. You don’t lead from the middle of the pack, constantly asking those around you if they still think you’re cool.
Barry is not a leader. He is too busy trying to keep the RRL happy and currying world favor to actually lead. He is far too concerned with the same foolishness that seems to define such as you, rasmus—-how your country “is perceived by other nations”.
You swallow the pap that after being fed lies and biased “reporting” for years, the fact that a bunch of naive and ignorant people thousands of miles away based their opinions on these distortions is somehow significant. These same ignorant and naive people are basing their belief that Obama is worthy of respect on the same propaganda sources. GIGO has never been so thoroughly proven as the “world opinion” crowd shows it to be.
But Barry is one of you, and so is also obsessed with the popularity quotient of his actions, instead of how they will protect his nation and its people and also ensure security for other nations.
Bill Clinton tried this tail-between-the-legs “Gee, can’t we all be friends” approach, and after 9/11 Bin Laden made a video in which he sneered at what he, and anti-Americans around the world, perceived as weakness. He came right out and said we were “toothless tigers” and our weakness emboldened him to increase his efforts to destroy us.
“The Wor;d” love Bill Clinton, and terrorists killed thousands here in the United States in an attack planned while he was president. “The World” supposedly hated George W. Bush, and not one person died in a terrorist attack on US soil after he responded with strength and leadership to the 9/11 attacks. “The World” loves Barry Obama, and we have already had one radical Islamist attack here.
You guys grovel for ‘love’. I choose to demand respect.
joeboston says: “And yet… talking to Iran didn’t hurt anything at all.”
sure…it only exposed the baffoon of a president that we had…that told them basically they can do anything they want and the clown in the POTUS office wont have a clue…
and they were right…and if that amounts to no harm…then we might as well send our boys over there to build the bomb for them next so they dont have to stress over that too…
some moron said: ” We need to move away from the notion, that the only two options we have to any given situation are ‘fight or flight’.”
never saw that “notion” in writting…i doubt you have either…yet…with the sycophant innuendo that statment insinuates …you would have to think that some tyrants view of the world was really that of the USA…yet it doesnt…never did…never will…at least not from a conservative party…it is just another commie slant to some notion that socialist marxism is the pure3 form of truth…a form that only exists in the minds of liars and a deception that refuses to display what freedom really is…people like BHO and his sidekick Rham…and Pelosi…Reid…and Clinton…these people are whats wrong with this country…and expecting them to fix it is nothing more than another libtard lie..
The fact tht this thread has attracted the trolls says something about how important US groveling and appeasement are to the RRL and how much contempt they have for strength and true leadership when it does not advance radical Leftist agendas.
If anyone wondered where the radical Left stands on this issue, the scurrying out from under their rocks of some of the Usual Suspects should make it clear—the radical Left wants to put popularity ahead of national and international security. It may take a while to figure out why—it could be simple anti-Americanism it could be a kneepad spasm of defense for anything The One does, it could be an equal spasm of opposition to anything a conservative says, but it will eventually come out. All we know now on this thread is that the lemmings find the topic a sigificant opportunity to bash Bush and lecture us on the need to win popularity contests abroad.
And that may be all they care about.
Clearly what is needed here is some extra effort from the whitehouse.
I believe that with some intensive yoga training, Obama could gain the diplomatic skills needed to bow low enoough to appease even the Iranians.
It appears that all of the reasons people are spouting to back Obama on this issue are merely conjecture with little or no evidence to support the assertions, or are so blatantly hypocritical so as to not be worthy of responding to. Wishful thinking, anyone?
markmullah:
still go with original thought way back on this
every week for the next 3 yrs
air drop in 50,000 fully operational laptops, cellphones, smartphones, xbox, satellite dish, plasma screens, etc.
free…..
it’s like voa on steroids
lot cheaper than sanctions and/or troops
and let the information do its work
just think if it started three years ago?