Enviro-Fascism
Tags: Liberal Fascism.
Just another branch of Liberal Fascism – in this instance, trying to stop fishing. Yes, including recreational fishing:
The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation’s oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters.
This announcement comes at the time when the situation supposedly still is “fluid” and the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force still hasn’t issued its final report on zoning uses of these waters.
That’s a disappointment, but not really a surprise for fishing industry insiders who have negotiated for months with officials at the Council on Environmental Quality and bureaucrats on the task force. These angling advocates have come to suspect that public input into the process was a charade from the beginning…
The wilderness, you see, is for the elite – they can afford to the extra charges necessary to be “green” by definition of environmentalists. The wilderness is not, however, for you and me – us knuckle dragging Bible- and gun-clingers are actually a nuisance out there. How can the fabulously wealthy be expected to enjoy, say, Lake Tahoe if a bunch of middle class cretins are there fishing and hunting and driving boats around the lake?
I doubt much that Obama is even aware of what is going on – sure, in the general sense he’ll always mouth whatever is fashionable at the moment vis a vis the environment, but the real drivers of this are the screwball leftists he’s appointed lower down in the bureaucracy. They are determined to reshape environmental policy and they will not shape it towards the benefit of the majority of Americans (if the majority of Americans benefit from it, the environmentalists will feel they’ve failed).
Whether its something as simple as a weekend angler, or something major like grabbing millions of acres and setting them off limits, the whole thrust of these Enviro-Fascists is to “protect” America from Americans. If they can make it more expensive, more difficult or downright impossible for Americans to use our common lands, they’ll do it. They know best, you see?
We won’t be able to undo this until we beat Obama in 2012 – but once we do we have to be sure that the next Republican President rescinds Obama’s regulations and executive orders whole sale…better to be safe than sorry, and as we don’t know what bits of liberal fascism will be inserted in the fine print, our best defense will be to get rid of them all.
Then we pass a law requiring a 2/3 vote in Congress before public lands can be placed off limits to public use and development…
Mark Noonan is co-author (with Matt Margolis) of Caucus of Corruption: The Truth About The New Democratic Majority. He also blogs at Nevada News and Views. Follow Mark on Twitter.
114 Responses to “Enviro-Fascism”
Caucus of Corruption
Mark,
If you keep passing on nutcase conspiracy theories like this, people are going to start thinking you are a Paultard.
Read the report.
mark’s evidently part of the fund-raising apparatchik.
>gotta keep the wingnuts stirred-up w agiprop to crank the wallets open.
>>and this targets a prime anti-obama constituency, the white southern male.
Link didn’t work.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/091209-Interim-CMSP-Framework-Task-Force.pdf
Have you read the report? Its all about government gaining total control with very subjective terminology about what will happen and who will be affected. Its a blueprint for the destruction of individual and State rights in our waterways.
You are swallowing the spin of the guy who is quoted in the opinion piece, Phil Morlock. He’s a PR guy for a Japanese company that derives over $250,000,000 a year from the sale of fishing gear.
The comment period has ended and everyone has had a chance to provide their input, including everyone quoted in the opinion piece. Now they are just trying to spin in order to influence the decision. Don’t believe they have your best interests in mind.
KFC
usual drivel ya de ya huffington post…….B.S.
The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation’s oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters.
There will be a day not long off American citizens will say enough of this crap from an out of control marxist leaning federal govt and throw it off!
sorry KFC the states border those water ways not the feds, go tell 0chimpy to p!$$ up a rope!
DRILL NOW! and FISH all you want.
Believe me soon you will have chinese trawlers off shore just as we have their drilling rigs in the gulf of mexico.
We cant even stop N.K. or Iran 0zer0 is a friggin joke!
gezundheid
Less tinfoil hat ranting and more facts, fmr.
Read the report.
yeah right from 0zer0’s propaganda minister.
Keep the obamabot kneepads KFC they become you!
Because the public commenting period has expired.
Because the public commenting period has expired.
so has unemployment payments but at the cost of HUNDREDS of BILLIONS it was extended.
This wasnt why not?
OH WAIT….no donk votes to be paid for by it….got it lemming 0b0mabot kneepadder!
If you can’t address the topic, go for something entirely unrelated. Good work, fmr.
KMG,
Because public comment was not really wanted.
Interesting how you liberals now have complete faith in the government…seems there was an 8 year period when you were constantly urging caution about that….
Mark
like the old song “what a difference a day makes”…..
Interesting how you have no idea how regulations work. There is a specified comment period, which has expired. I know you would prefer to keep that period going indefinitely to prevent anything from getting done, but it isn’t going to happen.
BTW, the critics of the policy submitted their comments before the period expired, so how were they shut out?
F*CK the federal government. I will fish where I choose. Period.
Will you fish out of season?
Will you keep fish caught in catch-and-release waters?
Will you exceed your daily limit?
Will you keep fish that don’t fall within size limits?
so what’s the problem managing fishing (like hunting) IN FEDERAL WATERS?
>U cant kill unlimited bucks.
That’s limiting the catch, or kill numbers, not restricting the area entirely.
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Another area where the federal government does not belong. This is a state issue.
So when you have a national industry, such as salmon fishing, which crosses multiple state lines and enters federal waters, the federal government has no role in regulation?
federal waters dummy.
That’s commercial fishing. This regulation address’s personal fishing. Completely different animals
so what. personal hunting is managed on federal lands.
No, it doesn’t just manage personal fishing. It is a comprehensive policy to manage ALL uses of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes waterways. It intends to manage several, sometimes competing, uses of these waters to ensure their viability in the future. Uses include:
• Aquaculture (fish, shellfish, and seaweed farming)
• Commerce and Transportation (e.g. cargo and cruise ships, tankers, and ferries)
• Commercial Fishing
• Environmental/Conservation (e.g., marine sanctuaries, reserves, national parks, and wildlife refuges)
• Maritime Heritage and Archeology
• Mining (e.g., sand and gravel)
• Oil and Gas Exploration and Development
• Ports and Harbors
• Recreational Fishing
• Renewable Energy (e.g., wind, wave, tidal, current, and thermal)
• Other Recreation (e.g., boating, beach access, swimming, nature and whale watching, and diving)
• Scientific Research and Exploration
• Security, Emergency Response, and Military Readiness Activities
• Tourism
• Traditional Hunting, Fishing, and Gathering
Read the report.
the consequences of laissez faire & deregulation nearly destroyed the global economy recently.
Liberals: Give a man a fish and he eats today.
Conservatives: Teach a man to fish, he never goes hungry.
Obama: MY FISH!
teach a man to fish & u can sell him bait n tackle.
tfmo,
That’s priceless.
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Personal fishing should ONLY be regulated at the state level. Of course apparatchiks like kmg advocate a large central planning authority to manage everyones lives. Ironic, how he seems to be opposed to that when a republican is in office. Then its a matter of an oppressive, right wing authority.
Other Recreation (e.g., boating, beach access, swimming, nature and whale watching, and diving)
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I think this is my personal favorite. Whale watching? Do people like kmg really support the federal government regulating when I can watch the whales?? That’s frightening.
cluster
stop being a alarmist! seriously, get over your fear, after all, didn’t you elect the people in government to represent you? didn’t you go out there and choose them after much thought and consideration?
If you did, and they don’t do a good job, vote them out, until then, stop bitching and moaning about every decision the government makes. Seriously, you americans are sore losers when your party loses.
It’s called federalism idiot. It’s how our country was founded, and a concept we need to return to. Don’t expect you to understand that.
certainly the wingnuts dont understand federalism….right mr saturday-congressional-session to interfer w florida schiavo decisions.
Yes, if your whale watching interferes with sport or commercial fishing.
Please take your big government, highly regulated desires off of our shores. This is the land of the free (or use to be until morons like you came around)
u mean like lovecanal or toxic chinese imports? that kinda govt “interference?
cluster is a whale-hugging environmentalist? I would have never taken you for a member of Greenpeace.
cluster
the flying monkeys have their marching orders to disrupt conservative sites with as much horse shiite as they can.
sport fishing claims less than 3% of total fish caught in the US but through licensing earns 105 billion in revenues.
Sport fishing is not separated out in this bill and that is all anyone is asking for.
The PAID ACORN, and media matter TROLLS are out in full force today. especially our (“foreign”? ) newbee mza369 who showed up to post non stop day and night since sadieforker left…….BIG SURPRISE!!!!
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(Ed. Note: “He who knows how to forgive prepares for himself many graces from God. As often as I look upon the cross, so often will I forgive with all my heart.” St. Maria Faustina Kowalska.)
Too bad, fmr. Cluster wants to watch his whales and he doesn’t want any regulations to allow your fishing to interfere with that.
massah1369
conspiracy theory and you would know about that HOW?
I mean you being a FOREIGN National just here to “work”.
sorry but being a paid forker-media matters – soros TROLL, does not qualify you for anything but the douchenozzle of the week award.
massah1369
massah says = “its clear you must be a white, older guy, with a business, who is semi retired, loving that the country he lives is is not changing…toword the so called social progression, IE marxism,
whatever you want to call it…we can be bible worshippers or believers, Christians forever, although im sure you are,
and im an athiest pigbearman TROLL -toad!.
good ya got it forker
neo, you’re good at reading what you think people think about you.
maybe you should actually try reading about Karl Marx, and Communism before you declare your president one.
and last I checked, the country you are living in changed dramatically, you elected a half black president! and last I checked, the health care bill will be passed, and other issues dear to the democrats heart will be passed…I feel sorry or you, so much hate, and so few ways to let it out…
go shoot your gun at a pillow, it will make you feel better.
massah1369
I feel sorry or you, so much hate, and so few ways to let it out…
go shoot your gun at a pillow, it will make you feel better.
HATE…..ahh the over used, worn out, moronic “HATE” word>
yup forker you are putting the alinsky playbook to work in every post.
you get the golden D. Bag award for being the latest (not the best) forker TROLL.
your Media matters and ACORN handlers will be so proud of you.
PS how does it feel to be a paid blogger, I mean camon;
……..daddy what do you do for a living?
wy johnnie I post B.S. and TROLL on conservative sites>
(lil johnny)…WTF?…….so you really ARE a LOOSER!! like mom said!
get lost!
So, Mark, have you a chance to do some reading on your own and find out you punked yourself by jumping the gun?
KMG,
When I said “have you read it”, I only did that after I had read a bit of it. I stand firmly by my contention that the program is a power grab by enviro-fascists. If its not, you demonstrate to me how freedom and State’s rights are strengthened by these proposals.
Now, Mark, you demonstrate how your paranoid delusion is supported by any verifiable facts in the ESPN op-ed or elsewhere. You made the claim, now back it up.
Your problem is that a PR flack fed a load of crap to a gullible partisan at ESPN. It was promptly picked up by a few other gullible partisans, such as yourself, without bothering to look any deeper than ESPN’s stenography.
Kmg,
Please define for me the following terms:
“sustainable”
“nonpartisan experts”
“stakeholder groups”
“doesn’t intend to undermine”
That all is from your comment.
KMG,
Then please define the following:
“substantial stakeholder and public input”
“comprehensive, adaptive, integrated, ecosystem based”
“CMSP identifies areas most suitable”
“environmental impacts”
“compatible uses”
“social objectives”
“sustainably used”
That all is from the first two paragraphs of your linked report.
As I’ve said, the words used are subjective – its not a plan to, say, ban fishing here and allow it there, its a plan to ensure that coastal resources are “sustainably used” – and who gets to decide what “sustainable” is? Who gets to decide what “used” is? And who gets to decide what constitutes “substantial” public input?
I like Allahpundit fine, but he’s got this one wrong – very wrong. He’s missing the fascism which is key to understanding modern American liberalism.
Kmg,
And you shouldn’t just pick out the Media Matters quote – here’s how Allahpundit concludes:
Which shows that (a) Allahpundit knows as well as everyone (except you, it would seem) that Obama is dishonest and (b) that Allahpundit hasn’t fully digested just how politically suicidal Obama is proving.
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(Ed. Note: “If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law.” – Winston Churchill.)
Here’s your definitions, Mark. Did you not attend school?
Now, have you found any facts to support your paranoia, or are you just going to keep making things up?
So Allahpundit is right, except when he is wrong? In the same paragraph?
Keep spinning, Mark.
Kmg,
Define “minimal” and “long term”.
What you’re entirely missing here is that such a program allows anyone to do anything they want under the cloak of environmentalism. You might think that “A” is minimal, but if Bureaucrat X thinks that “B” would be a better minimal than yours, that is what will happen. And what is your recourse?
You can sue. You can agitate for a change in laws. You could, after strenuous efforts, emerge victorious – or, maybe you won’t. And, at any rate, that is not how laws are supposed to be. Laws, in order to be valid laws, must be clear – everything exactly spelled out so that everyone knows in advance what can and cannot be done, and the penalty for violations.
Tyranny is not harsh laws – tyranny is arbitrary decrees by government functionaries not immediately (or at all) accountable to the people. You could have the most strict, Spartan laws in one nation and be more free there than in a nation with no written laws, but 10,000 bureaucrats making rules so that things are “minimal” and “sustainable”.
It would help, I guess, if you had the faintest notion of what freedom is…
http://www.dictionary.com
Is English your native language, Mark? You sure do ask for a lot of pretty simple English words to be defined.
“Obama has said he will not override protections put in place by Presidents Clinton and Bush that established recreational fishermen as a special class” and that “nonpartisan experts say the task force has already made strides in better recognizing various stakeholder groups, including recreational fishermen, and that it doesn’t intend to undermine the ability of states to manage their natural resources, as many fishermen fear.”
And you believe him.
Because that’s what it boils down to: can we believe what Obama says he will and will not do?
To date, he has given us little reason to trust him if he says the sky is blue. He’s lied about transparency, he’s lied about his connections to ACORN, he’s lied about appointing lobbyists, he’s lied repeatedly about health care, he’s lied about signing off on pork, he’s lied about giving the GOP access to him, he’s lied about his desire for bipartisanship, he’s lied about being the “post-racial” president…it would take less time to list the things he HASN’T lied about (then again, I can’t really think of anything off the top of my head that he’s been honest about. Might take some time to research it.)
DO NOT TRUST GOVERNMENT. That was the guiding principle behind our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Obama criticized this, saying that it’s a list of things government CAN’T do.
And there’s not a blessed thing wrong with that.
Our Founders came from an oppressive empire. They knew, first-hand, that government must ALWAYS be held on a tight leash, lest corruption and tyranny prevail. They specifically wrote the basis of our country to spell out what the government must not be allowed to do, and added in the 10th Amendment that anything not listed in the previous 9 fell under the jurisdiction of the STATES.
And Obama seeks to change that, as has the progressives and liberals and socialists and communists in our country. And they’ve been far too successful at doing so.
So no, I’m not taking Obama at his word. And it doesn’t matter which person is in the big chair, it doesn’t matter which party or ideology is in command of the House and Senate. Even if every single elected official in the country were a rock-ribbed conservative who agreed with me 100%, I STILL would not trust the government.
No one should. EVER. Why? Because the government is made up of human beings, and humans make mistakes, become tempted by power. Humans are imperfect and imperfectible. Even the concept of perfection is tainted by the perception of the person.
He may or may not believe him – he probably doesn’t care one way or the other. His masters have said this is a good thing, and he’s prepared to believe whatever he’s told.
In other words, he’s an idiot.
Being called an idiot by a Paultard? That’s pretty funny.
The paranoia runs deep here.
Calling you an idiot because you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about, including the fact that I am NOT a Paul supporter.
By all means, refute my post. Or are cheap insults all you have?
Deleted – mindless insults.
(Ed. Note: “Man seems to be capable of great virtues but not of small virtues; capable of defying his torturer but not of keeping his temper.” – G K Chesterton.)
Ah, no, O-tard. Unlike you, I actually think for myself. Unlike you I present FACTS. Unlike you, I do my own research. Unlike you I can actually contribute something worthwhile to a conversation.
Once again, you sniveling, cowardly, useless tool, you FAILED to refute my post.
Either refute my post with some actual FACTS, or shut that abyssal vomit-filled gash under your nose. Responding with more of your laughable and uninformed attempts at insult will be considered proof that YOU CAN NOT, and show you to be EXACTLY what everyone here believes you to be.
AN IDIOT.
It is hard to respond to you in kind when the manly moderator deletes comments.
BULL.
Keeping a post here is not that hard. All you have to do is FOLLOW THE RULES.
Tell you what, since you insist on hiding behind this straw man, I’ll even go so far as start an open thread on my own site. I suggest you read my Blog Rules, as I will enforce them.
Rant away.
tfmo,
The problem is that you didn’t present facts. You presented your opinion about Obama. We could go round and round about what is or isn’t a lie, but neither one of us would change our positions.
Your bigger point is on trusting the government. I didn’t know you before you recently started posting here, but I’m willing to bet your distrust and hatred of the government started in late 2006 and went full-bore in November 2008.
Our founders did come from an oppressive empire, but we are over 200 years removed from that. Get over it, already. We are in a stable democracy and no one intends to change that; not Obama, Pelosi, Reid, or anyone else in the government.
Disagreeing with elected leaders is one thing, but you display a disturbing level of paranoia about anything a Democratic government does. Everything they do has a nefarious purpose to you. You make outlandish claims and then when someone points out that your claim has no basis in fact, you dare them to disprove your conspiracy theory. Just to be clear, there is no One World Order, no world currency plot, and Obama is not planning to turn the US into a Muslim caliphate.
So, for most things, yes I do trust that our elected representatives are trying to do what they believe is the right thing. I mostly disagree with the tactics used, where they believe the ends justify the means and they are willing to do just about anything to achieve those ends. This thread is a good example, where a beneficial policy move has been characterized as a sinister plot to take away everyone’s fishing rods with absolutely nothing to support that claim. The only “evidence” that has been provided are paranoid conspiracy theories and rants about Obama being a liar.
As far as the insults go, I respond in kind. I know you haven’t been here long, but in the last 18 months or so, there has been a change in the way the blog is managed. There used to be civil conversations and polite disagreements, and for the most part, all commenters were treated fairly. Neocon1, in his previous incarnation as fmrmarine was even banned for his racist comments and links. Now, the moderators have decided that dissenting opinions will be treated differently. Those on the right can hurl insults all day long and their comments remain, while a liberal insult gets deleted. Those on the right can post vulgar references, but not those on the left. We on the left, don’t complain about it; we laugh at it because of the blatant hypocrisy. But, those are the unstated rules, so we live with them.
Finally, I looked at your site and I think I’ll pass on your thread. As long as you are living in your paranoid fantasy world, I don’t think we really would much to discuss. Besides, it appears to be a pretty lonely place over there.
The problem is that you didn’t present facts. You presented your opinion about Obama. We could go round and round about what is or isn’t a lie, but neither one of us would change our positions.
Really. So Obama DIDN’T lie about transparency, his connections to ACORN, appointing lobbyists, health care, pork, GOP access and participation, bi-partisanship, OR his desire to be the “post-racial” president? I’m willing to bet I can find instances on each these by searching LEFT wing news sites.
No, I am not going to change my position on that. I have absolutely no reason to do so WHEN I AM RIGHT AND THE FACTS SUPPORT ME.
Your bigger point is on trusting the government. I didn’t know you before you recently started posting here, but I’m willing to bet your distrust and hatred of the government started in late 2006 and went full-bore in November 2008.
And you’d be wrong on that too. I first became interested in politics back in Reagan’s first term. I heard a speech he had given, in which he said (paraphrased) that the scariest sentence a person could ever here is “We’re from the government and we’re here to help.”
It struck me a very strange, to hear a politician say such a thing, so I started digging around and asking questions (not easy in the pre-internet world). I immediately noticed discrepancies in what I was being taught and what was actually happening. This inevitably led me to further analyze the Constitution, Bill of Rights, the Revolution, and the words of those brave men and women of that time period.
Our founders did come from an oppressive empire, but we are over 200 years removed from that. Get over it, already. We are in a stable democracy and no one intends to change that; not Obama, Pelosi, Reid, or anyone else in the government.
We are indeed 200 years removed from an oppressive empire. That does NOT mean that there are NO oppressive governments remaining in the world, nor does it negate the possibility that we could find ourselves in another one. Failure to recognize that distinct and dangerous possibility is suicidally foolish.
We are not a “stable democracy.” Anyone that spends more than half an hour watching the news can tell you we are FAR from stable. Nor are we a democracy; another fallacy of the weak mind. We are a Constitutional Representative Republic, or at least we are SUPPOSED to be; that is what our Founders envisioned as they wrote out the basis for our laws. But too many in DC, on either side, are ignoring the Constitution (and their oaths to uphold it) and they are failing to represent the republic, ie the people of this country.
Or do you think the Founders would have been cool with the idea of our elected representatives not only forcing a bill down the throats of the citizens (a bill that they will NOT be required to abide by themselves), but refusing to allow it to be read, and now trying to pass it without it even being voted on?
Disagreeing with elected leaders is one thing, but you display a disturbing level of paranoia about anything a Democratic government does. Everything they do has a nefarious purpose to you. You make outlandish claims and then when someone points out that your claim has no basis in fact, you dare them to disprove your conspiracy theory. Just to be clear, there is no One World Order, no world currency plot, and Obama is not planning to turn the US into a Muslim caliphate.
SOOOO much wrong with this paragraph.
1: Just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re not after you. I’m not making tinfoil hats, here. I’m not buying into mystical cabals or aliens. I’m not even making wild leaps of logic. I’m pointing out some damn disturbing trends, ones that were started decades ago, and have led to what we have now. I’m pointing out the POTENTIAL for serious harm to our country.
2: STILL not a Democratic government.
3: I present my case, and I present evidence to back up what I say. You say I have no idea what I’m talking about, but offer nothing to substantiate your claim other than your own over-inflated opinion. I point out things that ARE HAPPENING, and you claim they are not. Either show me something that backs up your claim that these things ARE NOT HAPPENING, or shut the hell up.
4: No One World Government? No, not yet. Consider the repeated questions about global currency and the devaluing of the dollar. Consider some of the sovereignty-killing language in the Copenhagen AGW treaty. Consider the greater and greater pull toward the UN Obama is making. Consider the fact that Interpol now has the authority to come onto US soil, grab ANY US citizen, hold that person, and take that person away from the US, without any of our law-enforcement agencies able to say a blessed thing about it. I don;t know how YOU interpret such things, but it looks a hell of a lot like a push for One World Government to me.
5: Please point out where I made the claim that Obama is turning our country into a caliphate. The closest I have EVER come to such a statement is that there were legitimate questions concerning whether or not Obama is still a Muslim and what impact that would have in dealings with our terrorist enemies. And no, saying that there are legitimate questions does NOT mean that I believe one way or another. It means there are legitimate questions. Period.
So, for most things, yes I do trust that our elected representatives are trying to do what they believe is the right thing. I mostly disagree with the tactics used, where they believe the ends justify the means and they are willing to do just about anything to achieve those ends. This thread is a good example, where a beneficial policy move has been characterized as a sinister plot to take away everyone’s fishing rods with absolutely nothing to support that claim. The only “evidence” that has been provided are paranoid conspiracy theories and rants about Obama being a liar.
Again it comes down to whether or not we can trust people who repeatedly lie to us. I tend not to. Apparently you are more trusting than I am. And I am willing to bet that this “trust” of government you claim started around 2006, and came full around the end of 2008. So I guess the question is, how many times can a person lie to you before you stop trusting them? I’m curious, because I know this Nigerian Prince who really needs your help…
And it’s a funny thing. I make a statement, and I back it up. You can do your very own research to prove or disprove my words. In fact, I wish you would. At NO time have I expected anyone to take anything I’ve posted at face value, nor have I posted anything as a fact without facts to back it up.
Conversely, you offer no facts to back up anything. Nor do the rats in DC. Case in point, all the bills that were rushed through before they had a chance to be properly read. The DC clowns were, in effect, saying “Don’t worry about what’s in the bill. Trust us.”
They DON’T want to be fact-checked. They want you to just shut up and follow along. Which is exactly what you are doing.
People who are HONEST and have truly honest intentions don’t have to hide what they do. They don’t have to sneak around at three am on the weekend to avoid news cycles. They don’t have to try to do end runs around the Constitution. They don’t have to whip out the race card to win an argument, or change the subject, or obfuscate in any way. These are the behaviors of people who are being dishonest.
As far as the insults go, I respond in kind. I know you haven’t been here long, but in the last 18 months or so, there has been a change in the way the blog is managed. There used to be civil conversations and polite disagreements, and for the most part, all commenters were treated fairly. Neocon1, in his previous incarnation as fmrmarine was even banned for his racist comments and links. Now, the moderators have decided that dissenting opinions will be treated differently. Those on the right can hurl insults all day long and their comments remain, while a liberal insult gets deleted. Those on the right can post vulgar references, but not those on the left. We on the left, don’t complain about it; we laugh at it because of the blatant hypocrisy. But, those are the unstated rules, so we live with them.
I don’t care. Sorry. I have no say in what happened before I came her, nor have I any say in how Mark, Matt, and Leo run this site. But don’t hide behind such things as an excuse for NOT backing up your statements. And you will note that this post HAS NOT BEEN DELETED. You managed to avoid all the things that will get a post deleted. Bravo.
As for insults, I’m not some weak-kneed pre-teen girl. I can handle insults. I give as good or better than I get. My problem with the insults is that that is ALL that you lefty trolls are bringing to the table. No argument, no facts, no substance. Just bitch, whine, insult, vulgarity, get deleted, then bitch and whine and insult some more about it.
There is a distinct difference between a dissenting opinion and mindless gabble. And you aren’t fooling me for one second, KFC. Of the posts that have been deleted since I have been here, I’ve SEEN MOST OF THEM WITH MY OWN EYES. Matt and Co aren’t exactly Johnny-on-the-spot with the deletions. Often, these posts stay up for HOURS before they get around to wiping them. And yeah, I would have wiped them too. There were no real arguments. There weren’t any real points at all, other than to just act like fools and annoy the hell out of everyone. So play your martyrdom elsewhere.
Finally, I looked at your site and I think I’ll pass on your thread. As long as you are living in your paranoid fantasy world, I don’t think we really would much to discuss. Besides, it appears to be a pretty lonely place over there.
What a cop out.
You come on here and bitch that you can’t offer any rebuttal to my posts because you’ll get deleted. I offer you a place to make your case without being deleted (so long as you don’t get utterly ridiculous), but oh no, there aren’t enough posters on my site.
You are so full of crap I can smell you through the screen.
You’re dodging. If you were able to physically duck and weave as well as you do it verbally, you should be a pro football receiver; if you can catch, you’d be a guaranteed touchdown every time you touch the ball.
Even in the post that miraculously avoided deletion, YOU STILL HAVEN’T OFFERED ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOUR OPINION AND INSULTS.
No, KFC. You have NOTHING. You’ve made that perfectly clear. And you’re right, there is no further point in discussing anything with you, because you have proven yourself incapable of worthwhile participation in any discussion. You are a liar, a coward, and an idiot.
Oh, and one other point I neglected to add.
A LIE is when someone says something they KNOW is untrue, or they fail to carry out a promise they made.
Obama PROMISED a number of times that ALL the health care discussions would be televised. He did not do so. Did he intend to have it done when he said it? Maybe. If he did, then the lie came when he failed to do so.
There is one of two reasons why he failed in his promise. One, he did not have the authority to make such a promise. Pelosi and Reid certainly did not feel he had that authority. If this is in fact the case, then he lied by implying that he had such authority.
If he did have that authority, then he lied by not fulfilling his promise.
Sorry, but it is not my “claim” that he lied. He DID lie, and that FACT doesn’t change whether you or I agree about it or not. Again, the FACTS back up my assertion. They do not support yours.
As to your insistence that it can’t be proven one way or another, that’s BS and you damn well know it.
I can prove that he lied. He said he would have these things televised, and he did not. He claimed to have the authority to do so. If he did not, then that was a lie. If he did, then the lie remains that he failed. All easily verifiable.
You claim that I am wrong. In other words, you are saying that either he did NOT make this promise (which I can prove he did) or he did NOT fail to fulfill that promise (which I can prove he did NOT.) Either way, you still have nothing more than your opinion and insult, while I have facts.
But I won’t be surprised if you fail to grasp these simple concepts, too.
No, tfmo, a lie implies intent. You claim that every single thing Obama says that turns out wrong was an intentional lie. When someone disagrees, you demand that they prove the negative. Well, without that crystal ball, you can’t prove intent. If we were to hash it out on what you call Obama’s lies, you would post your evidence, I would post my evidence, and we would still be at the place where we started; trying to read his mind.
Also, I didn’t say that you personally believed in that list of conspiracy theories. They were examples of some of the crazy conspiracies people do believe. However, you do believe in some of them, such as the one world currency and Obama being a Muslim. The Interpol BS was one I did not realize you believed in.
So, again, I will pass on going to your site. What would we say to each other besides you calling me a liar and me saying you need to seek professional help for your paranoia?
“Consider the fact that Interpol now has the authority to come onto US soil, grab ANY US citizen, hold that person, and take that person away from the US, without any of our law-enforcement agencies able to say a blessed thing about it.”
Savor your failure, ‘mo. See, if you knew the definition of the word “fact,” you wouldn’t embarrass yourself so much. For example, if you had said, “Consider the crazy and silly conspiracy theory that…” it would’ve been an accurate statement. But sadly for you, you don’t know the difference between “fact” and “conspiracy theory.” It’s an affliction you share with Ranty. Did you do too much acid back in the day as well?
“I don;t know how YOU interpret such things, but it looks a hell of a lot like a push for One World Government to me.”
Now that it’s been exposed as foolish stupidity, does it still look like “a push for One World Government” to you? And why is it that your world view reads like the CliffsNotes for Behold a Pale Horse in the first place? Do you also believe in the Amero? In the massive superhighway connecting Canada and Mexico? In FEMA’s concentration camps for conservatives? How deep does the crazy go with you?
No, tfmo, a lie implies intent. You claim that every single thing Obama says that turns out wrong was an intentional lie. When someone disagrees, you demand that they prove the negative. Well, without that crystal ball, you can’t prove intent. If we were to hash it out on what you call Obama’s lies, you would post your evidence, I would post my evidence, and we would still be at the place where we started; trying to read his mind.
Another BS cop out, Chickenboy. So what reason do YOU attribute to Obama not having CSPAN or some other news network cover all the health care discussions? Do you really think he doesn’t have the authority? Possible, but if he did not have the authority, then he lied on multiple occasions by imply he DID have that authority. Are you claiming he, a “constitutional lawyer”, does not know what he is authorized to do as president? One would think that SOMEONE would have pointed out his error the first time he made the claim. Or the second. Or the third. Or the fourth. Or the fifth. Or the sixth. Or the seventh. Are you claiming that he doesn’t have the clout to convince a news organization to cover the health care discussions? He’s PRESIDENT, and the bulk of the media fawns after him like a puppy following a bag of Snausages. If anyone in the country can ask a news organization to cover something, the president can. So no, I don’t buy that he did not know what his authority was, nor that he couldn’t persuade SOMEONE with a camera to cover the talks.
As previously stated, if he did NOT have the authority to make that promise, then he lied by implying that he did. If he did have that authority, then we fall back to the original lie; he did NOT make any moves to have the talks covered. According to CSPAN, the very same people he promised us would be covering these things, they were NEVER ASKED to do so.
No, KFC. This was a blatant lie. If his original intent was to have this done, then the lie comes with his refusal to follow through. Either way, LIE.
Also, I didn’t say that you personally believed in that list of conspiracy theories. They were examples of some of the crazy conspiracies people do believe. However, you do believe in some of them, such as the one world currency and Obama being a Muslim. The Interpol BS was one I did not realize you believed in.
BS, BS, BS. The first sentence, you claim that you are not accusing me of believing anything in the list of conspiracies, then in the last sentence, you say I DO believe them.
To clarify. AGAIN. There has been a VERIFIED PUSH, here and abroad, for a unified currency. These instances HAVE BEEN REPORTED on major news networks, not just FOX. So to claim there is no talk of unified currency is either a lie, or you are just uninformed. Either way, you need to shut your head until you figure it out.
As for Obama being a Muslim, please offer the post wherein I said believe this. I believe it is POSSIBLE that he is. I believe that his father, grandfather, and adoptive step-father were all Muslims. I believe, having read that passage in the Quran, that according to Islam, if your father is Muslim, then you are Muslim by default. I believe Obama had classes in Islamic teachings while living in Jakarta. I believe it because OBAMA HIMSELF SAID HE DID, and it has been verified by others as well.
I believe that there are two possibilities here, again, which I have stated repeatedly. Either Obama is still a Muslim, or he is Apostate, which is punishable by death under Islam’s laws. I do not know which he is, as far as how he views himself. I never claimed any ownership of crystal balls or mystical supernatural powers. I am simple presenting FACTS. You should try it some time.
So, again, I will pass on going to your site. What would we say to each other besides you calling me a liar and me saying you need to seek professional help for your paranoia?
Heh. YOU are the one claiming you can’t refute my posts without being deleted. In fact, you and others here have gone so far as to claim that you HAVE refuted my posts, but Mark and Co deleted them, poor oppressed you.
I offered you someplace where you could make your case without fear of being deleted, so long as you didn’t make a total ass of yourself. The guidelines on my page are more than reasonable as they stand, but I even offered to relax on them, just to accommodate you.
You piss and moan about “proving negatives”, so fine. Here’s some positives for you.
1: Are there news reports regarding calls from here and abroad for a unified currency?
2: Did Obama sign an executive decree allowing Interpol to operate on US soil, and grant them immunity to habeus corpus and our search and seizure laws?
3: Did Obama promise on multiple occasions to have the health care debates televised?
4: Did he have the authority to do so?
5: Would a constitutional lawyer be expected to know whether he had such authority?
6: Would his handlers point out such an error, or allow him to repeat the same error six more times?
7: Did he follow through on his promise?
8: Does a president have enough clout to convince a news organization to provide coverage for health care debates?
9: Would a major news organization consider such a thing newsworthy?
10: Does Islam state that a man is Muslim if his father is Muslim?
11: Was Obama Sr a Muslim?
12: Was Obama’s paternal grandfather a Muslim?
13: Was Mr. Soetero, Obama’s adoptive step-father a Muslim?
14: Did Obama’s school in Jakarta teach Islam?
15: Does Islam state that apostasy is punishable by death?
16: Does it make logical sense to elect a President that is either an adherent to a religion being cited and used as reason to destroy our country, or, if that president is Apostate, does is make sense to elect a president that our said enemies MUST kill, as per their religion’s dictates?
17: In which thread did I say I believed that Obama IS Muslim?
Tracking back to your first idiotic paragraph, you say I would present my evidence, you would present your evidence…except you HAVEN’T presented any evidence. You have AGAIN offered nothing but your opinion and insult. The only one in this conversation offering facts is me.
I do not claim to know Obama’s mind. But I can certainly reason out his words and his actions, and his words and actions regarding the televising of the health care talks show his LIE. Not accident, not failure because of someone else, not misunderstanding, but flat out LIE. It is an inescapable conclusion. The only alternative to his lying is that he and his entire staff are so staggeringly clueless that they require adult supervision and safety helmets at all times.
So which is it, KFC? Do you actually have an argument, or are you just knee-jerk disagreeing? Can you answer even ONE of the questions I offered and back it up?
Given that I’ve lost count of how many times we’ve done this, I’m inclined to believe that you really don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, but I’m certainly willing to offer you the chance to prove me wrong, whether it’s on this site where you claim you can’t post your argument for fear of deletion, or post it on my site, where you don’t get to perform for the audience.
Deleted – mindless insults.
(Ed. Note: “A scoundrel, a villain, is he who deals in crooked talk.” – Proverbs 6:12.)
SlackerWeasel, are you claiming Obama DID NOT sign an executive order, exempting Interpol from Section 2(c) of the United States International Organization Immunities Act?
Are you claiming that the removal of Section 2(c) of the USIOI does not exempt Interpol from our laws regarding immunity from search and seizure?
Are you claiming that Interpol does not arrest people?
Is that what you are claiming?
Using “Fact Check” to back up your story would work a lot better if they hadn’t been caught lying about Obama’s stance on the Second Amendment, ObamaCare’s Death Panels (which I have personally debunked more times than I care to count) and other examples of them toeing the party line.
FactCheck has discredited itself. I can no longer consider them a reliable source.
Is question 2 the only one you can take a stab at? Can you answer the other questions? Preferably with something better than a biased outfit like “Fact”Check?
Deleted – mindless insults and slander.
(Ed. Note: “For they who undertook to banish fears and terrors from the sick soul themselves sickened with a ridiculous fear.” Wisdom 17:8.)
Mo’ Fo’,
I should have worded my original paragraph on conspiracy theories better. I did not intend to suggest that you believed all of them, but you do apparently believe in some of them. Now to your questions:
1. Who cares? There are news reports of UFO’s, but that doesn’t make them true. Besides, no one in this administration is calling for a one world currency.
2. No. You have mischaracterized the EO to fit your conspiracy theory.
3. I believe he did.
4. In some cases, yes, such as the summit at the White House. In the case of what was done in Congress, no.
5. Probably, but not being a constitutional lawyer, I don’t know how deep they get into how C-SPAN works.
6. I don’t know, since I am not one of his “handlers.”
7. He did televise the summit and I would have preferred there being more meetings of that type, but it didn’t happen. Committee meetings and floor debates were televised on C-SPAN.
8. No, especially when C-SPAN controls the feed from Congress.
9. Probably not. I don’t think very many people would be watching debate and markups in the middle of the day.
10. Irrelevant.
11. Irrelevant.
12. Irrelevant.
13. Irrelevant. Besides, it was not a madrassa.
15. Irrelevant.
16. Irrelevant. I’m sure that a jihadist would like to assassinate a US President regardless of his religious background.
17. You IMPLIED he was a Muslim. What does that make you now?
Now, I am through responding to your tinfoil hat theories. I am not going to continue the discussion on your blog. We are already going in circles here. Besides, your blog is like a ghost town and I don’t feel like enabling your blog-whoring.
What we have in the White House is a dictator now. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Our lives are in danger the longer we allow this man to stay in office.
Many people rely on the ocean to allow them a vacation…to go out on the warm waters off the tip of Florida, or any of the souther states to fish a little and get away from civilization for a while…for spouses to establish stronger marriages.
It’s such a shame that we the people are allowing Obama and his minions to rob us of yet another one of our cherished freedoms.
I’ll fish until they pull the poll from my cold dead hands.
It is soon to become citizen nullification,
that will be when enough of us working stiffs who pay the taxes, and have the monetary capabilities to fish and boat, tell the govt to sod off,
when we quit paying taxes, scoff at these insane laws, hunt and fish as we wish, and refuse to listen to the federal govt.
When we home school our children, refuse to participate in this health care debacle, tell them to stuff their census where the light dont shine.
There are not enough police in the country to enforce these laws if we collectively tell then to screw off.
coupled with zero income from taxes they will fall in less than 30 days with out a shot being fired.
That’s a good thought, Neo. If we stop paying taxes, however, we’ll probably start war with the IRS.
We have to stick to our guns, though.
And mentioning guns, the talk of the town (gun shops, dealerships) is that this is the last year that one can buy guns without the ATF tracking you, they’re supposed to start tracking how many guns one buys. And I think they start stopping you when you get to 5.
By all means, fmr, go ahead. Quit talking and man up.
Go shoot a deer out of season and don’t file your income taxes. And make sure you don’t fill out the census form. Maybe Florida will lose a House member and California will gain one.
Go shoot a deer out of season and don’t file your income taxes.
It is coming to that. It will all go down around about the end of Obama’s term…somewhere between now and then, people will not be able to file any income taxes, because we won’t have any money left to pay…Obama and his cronies will have it all. So, then we’ll have to do something to survive. Ya know, it’ll be fish or die, hunt or die, trap or die, whatever your geological situation may be. It’ll also be grow things or die.
But…this will only come if we don’t have civil war first…if we don’t resist the government’s taxation without representation like we did in the first revolution, well, then, we’ll just be overtaken, and oppressed.
I’m thinking we’ll have to go to war with the Nazis again.
Watching you wingnuts twist yourselves into pretzels when you could easily just admit you made a mistake is hilarious.
By all means, keep doubling down.
KFC
so you are now parroting the “wingnut” phrase often used at the pitchfork, and by one of their commentators 0hi0moron.
your media matters check is on the way.
Deleted – vulgar.
(Ed. Note: “Love means to love that which is unlovable; or it is no virtue at all.” G K Chesterton.)
So the manly moderator (he hates being called cowardly) thinks my comment was vulgar, but allows fmrmarine to say the very same thing about Obama? No double standard there.
Or when he says the same thing to me?
Integrity check, Mark.
alotta people use “wingnuts” neo.
kmg,
I think you need to find a new hobby, and stop loitering around, and littering up Mark and Matt’s site.
But it is kinda fun, at least for me, to turn their nastiest comments in to nice comments…improves the whole blog, I think.
A very nice touch, Mark. I much prefer this to just completely removing the post; when responses are embedded, they tend to scatter about the thread like buckshot. This way, we can at least have some remainder of reference to what the other posts are about.
Deleted – complains about comment policy.
(Ed. Note: “I would do as the master of the house bade me, were this a shepherd’s cot” – J R R Tolkien.)
Deleted – mindless insults.
(Ed. Note: “Whoever says he is in the light, yet hates his brother, is still in the darkness.” – 1 John 2:9.)
Don’t like it, trolls? Feel free to leave. I can’t imagine why you’d want to continue posting on a site that refuses to allow you to post whatever nonsense you want.
Unless that’s not really why you’re here.
tfmo,
That is why I put in why its deleted – you can mentally fill in what was there when I say, “Mindless Insults”, or what have you.
Mark,
If you were honest, you would acknowledge that I wasn’t complaining about the comment policy, I was pointing out your hypocrisy. I don’t compain about it, I just accept it.
“If you were honest”
Therein lies the problem: He’s not honest.
Mo, I see that the Usual Victims are back, whining and whingeing and playing Poor Me. And THEY feel qualified to comment on ‘manliness’?
It’s about as funny as any of these effete nancy-boys trying to comment on wilderness issues or fishing.
They simply have this bizarre knee-jerk spasm of reaction whenever anyone points out the power grabs of the pseudo-environmental movement. A few months ago when I commented on efforts to tax cow farts I was simply labeled a liar, in spite of a bill which had been introduced which would have, if passed, levied a fee on cattle in herds over a certain size, due to their methane production. The proposed bill did not explain how this tax would keep the methane inside the cows, nor did it outline how the funds raised could or would be used to somehow mitigate the scientifically unproven theory that cow farts harm the environment, but some watermelon seemed to think it was brilliant.
You may have noted the new tactic of merely calling us names, and accusing us of subscribing to “conspiracy theories” even when no such theory has been suggested. It’s a series of silly and transparent efforts to deflect, distract, and generally function as speed bumps without even trying to pose as legitimate contributors to the blog.
(Though I do have to admire their creativity. One such effort, a reference to “puss-filled cankers”, was a momentary distraction. Whatever a canker is, and here I bow to orrin’s undoubted expertise in this area though he may be referring to “chancres”, the effort to first envision a ‘canker’ and then to imagine one filled with cats did create a brief diversion. It was one of what may go down in blog annals as a “turret syndrome” moment.
Ranty, did you have anything to say about whether or not Obama is conspiring to take away your fishing rods, or did you just show up to toss out mindless insults?
kmg, do you have an example of me claiming that Obama is conspiring to take away my fishing rods, or are you just blathering on and on on, as usual, with nothing to say?
Unless you took offense at the “whining and whingeing” part, the only insult in my post was a reference to effete nancy-boys, and given the target of the comment it was far from mindless.
And what a silly straw man you kind of set up. I say “kind of” because it never had the legs to support itself even before you started to knock it down.
I know, I know, you are just doing your job, being a speed bump and trying to pollute the blog so no one else can engage in actual discussion. Nothing new there. But one would think you would eventually get tired of being nothing more than a petty annoyance.
And BTW, when I changed my name, I wasn’t sneaky about it. I had a reason to do it, I said “this is how I used to post and this is how I post now” and I didn’t try to hide behind a new monicker to disguise, even briefly, a persona that had become unwelcome here.
No, Ranty, I don’t have anything where you said Obama was going to take your fishing poles. That’s the problem. Were you going to comment on the topic of the thread, or were you just going to blather on and on, with nothing to say? Do you agree with Mark’s conspiracy theory or not?
And no one has accused you of hiding your pevious persona, unlike fmrmarine/neocon1. I only call you Ranty because it perfectly descibes your comments.
Now, being a birther, you have your own conspiratorial issues. We can add to that your accusation that I am “doing my job” by simply calling Mark out for getting punked, then doubling down on the stupid. You see the evil Soros behind every commenter who disagrees with your warped world view. Look out! Soros is hiding in your closet!
Now, do you have an opinion on the topic of the thread or are you going to go off on another sanctimonious rant?
Speaking of effete nancy-boys, I see that the whining and whingening continues, as androgynous slick chimes in with even more snarl and spite.
Too funny to hide behind a new anonymous name to hurl accusations of cowardice at someone who sponsors and pays for a blog in his own real name, and who stands up for what he beieves in.
Of course, when you have been repeatedly banned for being, among other nasties, vulgar, profane, mindlessly hostile, and profoundly offensive on so many levels, it makes complete sense to sneak back under a newly assumed name to be—you got it—vulgar, profane, mindlessly hostile, and profoundly offensive on so many levels.,
And, of course, to snivel at being called on being, once again now—-vulgar, profane, mindlessly hostile, and profoundly offensive on so many levels. And to wildly claim that the true reason for being found so utterly worthless and distasteful is NOT because one is vulgar, profane, mindlessly hostile and profoundly offensive on so many levels but is really just too much of an intellectual threat to be tolerated.
Yeah—like a backed-up sewer is an intellectual threat.
But clearly slick’s pathology demands attention, so here s/he is.
“who stands up for what he beieves in”
…by deleting facts that disprove him and/or expose his hypocrisy. Now that’s integrity!
So…what’s the conspiracy theory du jour, Ranty? Anything new since “Obama the political jihadist?”
by deleting facts that disprove him and/or expose his hypocrisy. Now that’s integrity!more like – by deleting lies that directly evade and/or are a misrepresentation of the truth. To do such, is to stand up for what you believe in order that truth will prevail. It also shows that you are tough, and not going to allow a commie liberal slccr to shout you down, no matter how much he wants to shove a lie down your throat. No! We gonna give him a wood shampoo.
And…I think its about time for you to be deleted again.
Jeremy,
What actually happened is that I prayed about this – a thing we Catholics do where we, in a sense, bring the soul of someone to God and ask His help. In prayer, I asked what I was to do with those who come here to hate. I didn’t want to ban them as they just get a new IP and come back – but I also don’t want the blog cluttered up with filth.
And so – simply note what their comment was like, and then put something better in its place.
Mark,
I don’t disagree with the premise of your reasons for doing this. I whole-heartedly agree with how you’re handling it, and I commend you. I would do the same thing that you are doing.
One thing I would like to note, however, is that the person whose comments you are leaving the Editor’s note under, is not the one that you are actually helping, but with putting in that bit of source hope from men of noteworthy character, and from the Scriptures, the main source of hope for mankind…you are helping those who are or may be searching for hope, and aren’t quite sure where they stand on ethical spiritual matters…more importantly, that’s what people need more than anything these days, is Jesus Christ. And you are going about it in exactly the right manner. You pray that the Holy Spirit would help you to administer what the Lord has laid on your heart. We can’t draw, because that is the Holy Spirit’s job, in essence. But we must do to the best of our abilities our job of witnessing to them about Jesus Christ, because they cannot know what the love of Christ is unless we as believers show them. We plant the seed, somebody else waters, and God provides the increase.
One thing I would offer, whenever they come back with something like what slccr does, in the form of spin, after you’ve provided an example of why you’ve deleted their previous comment, then you provide another Editor’s note right below that comment clarifying that you are the site administrator and you reserve the right to interpret what goes on on your site. If it’s proven that something written by a liberal is not true, then it should be deleted without explanation, one lie can have a devastating effect on dozens or even hundreds of other visitors.
At any rate, you’re doing good. Continue on with the good work.
Jeremiah,
All I can say for certain is that I feel better about it – plus, its rather fun for me. I tend to pick a book from the Bible at random and read until I come across something appropriate. So, our heathen get a bit of the Word, I get to read the Bible – its a very good exercise for this Lenten season, I think.
Answering KFC from earlier, tired of scrolling for his idiotic responses.
1: “Who cares” is hardly an answer, nor is a comparison to UFO reports. The question was in response to the statement that there was no one talking about One World Government or a unified currency. You offered no actual facts ON THE QUESTION, only your opinion, so FAIL.
2: I provided FACTS. Again, you have provided opinion. FAIL.
3: Correct. Bravo.
4: Obama did not equivocate. He stated, multiple times, that ALL the talks regarding the health care issue would be televised. They were not. If Obama did not have the authority to speak for Congress or Senate regarding whether or not there would be cameras, then he should not have made such a broad statement that implied he did. FAIL.
5: It’s very simple. Obama calls CSPAN and invites them to put cameras in the room to cover the talks. Period. He did not do this until AFTER he was being called to the carpet for it. By that time, almost a full year of talks occurred behind closed doors and in the dead of night. FAIL.
6: Ridiculous. Part of the job of handlers is to make sure the person they’re handling doesn’t make a fool of himself. Either his handlers are completely incompetent or they intentionally played along. FAIL.
7: No. Obama said ALL, not SOME. FAIL.
8: WRONG. Do you honestly think ANY news organization would refuse a request from the President of the United States to cover what is being consider THE topic, the cornerstone of Obama’s career? CSPAN can decide what it will air, but it is the President’s decision whether or not they can be there to get the footage or not. In House and Senate, it is the heads of those groups, Pelosi and Reid, who decide if and when cameras are allowed in their meetings. FAIL.
9: BULL. See above. FAIL.
10: Perfectly relevant. You respond with opinion rather than fact. FAIL.
11: See above. FAIL.
12: See above. FAIL.
13: See above. FAIL.
14: Skipped, see above. The question was not whether or not it was a madrassa, but whether or not Obama’s school in Jakarta taught Islam. It did, as confirmed by Obama himself in his book. FAIL.
15: See above. FAIL.
16: I’m sure a terrorist would be fine killing any US President, since they have declared Jihad on us. But even if we were at peace with the terrorists and Christians and Muslims were happy-dancing through a field of clover, their religion dictates that apostates must either reconfirm to Islam OR DIE. FAIL.
17: Once again, I implied nothing. I pointed out the FACTS of his lineage and the FACTS of his actions: He is considered Muslim because his father was Muslim, as per Islam. He was taught Islam at school in Jakarta, as per his book. As an adult he joined Wright’s church, which is on extremely friendly terms with Islam. Which means he is either apostate or still a Muslim. I never ONCE claimed to know which. Nor did you show which thread that I ever made such a statement. FAIL, FAIL, FAIL.
And of course, more cop-outs and insults, without a lick of proof. You managed to correctly answer ONE out of SEVENTEEN questions.
So now you’re gonna sulk and toddle off, and probably tell are your little forker friends that you “totally laid teh smack on a wingnut” or something similarly childish, when you know, and everyone here knows, even your troll buddies, that you couldn’t back up ANY of your stupidity with one single fact. Not one.
You’ve only managed to prove what I have said so many times. YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
“Little forker friends?” I don’t know any of them. Keep ranting about your conspiracy theories if it makes you feel better about yourself, but watch out for those black helicopters.
Dodge, dodge, duck, weave, insult, run awaaaayyyy…you really are a one trick pony, ain’tcha.
You’re done. You’ve completely shot what modicum of respect you might have had here. Granted, it wasn’t much, but it’s certainly gone now.
You are a coward. You haven’t even the courage of your own convictions. You have no truth. All you have is a blind obedience to the meme, to your Lord and Master and the lies for which he stands.
You’re just another small, weak-minded little flag carrier. I think I would feel pity for you if it weren’t for the fact that you are CHOOSING to be this way. It’s one thing to be misled, it’s an entirely different thing to be misled WILLINGLY.
As you are.
Idiot.
Nope, no mindless insults there. Right, Mark?
Deleted – mindless insults.
(Ed. Note: “Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does what is good is of God; whoever does what is evil has never seen God.” – 3 John 1:11.)
Heh. Funny. I’m not the one refusing to provide factual evidence to back up my claims.
And cowardly? I offered to let you idiots rant away on my site, so long as you could offer something other than opinion, insult, and stupidity.
And you chickened out.
Mark thinks I’m a coward. Apparently you base that on Mark deleting posts. Yet I find that as long as you dinks can manage to stifle your racism and stupidity, he lets your posts stand. The actual argument part of the argument is still right there. And you seem to forget that I READ THE POSTS HE DELETED. They had little, if anything, to do with the argument. Just more insult and stupidity.
SlackerWeasel, you haven’t won an argument on this site in ANY of your incarnations. Frankly, I think you intentionally posts utter garbage, just so Mark and Co will delete them, then you have something to whine about and hide behind. Considering that you panty-waists constantly claim you can’t offer a differing opinion without it being deleted.
Unfortunately, that argument holds no water. The bulk of the conversation we’ve had on this thread is still right there. I read the posts before they were deleted; for all they contributed to the discussion, you may as well just posted nursery rhymes. And of course, I offered you a place where you could speak your mind, provided you keep it PG-13 and back up your arguments with facts.
I would think if you are soooo needing to set the record straight, it wouldn’t matter what site you post on. Are you about getting the information out, or are you about having an audience?
Like I even need to ask.
You aren’t here about information. You aren’t here to learn or teach. You aren’t here for friendship. You are here to annoy and disrupt. Weasel already admitted, and the rest of you forkfaces have certainly demonstrated that same intention.
You people are utterly pathetic.