Sunday Health Care Open Thread
Tags: Obamacare.
So, there are claims that some of the demonstrators yesterday shouted racial epithets at Democrats. There is always the chance of one or two idiots showing up in any crowd of thousands, but I’m calling BS on this unless and until I get video and audio demonstrating it happened – with the number of devices for recording present, if this happened there simply must be something. And then if it did happen, we’ll want to check carefully the background of the person or persons who did it. As this dovetails perfectly in to the liberal lies about the TEA Party movement (ie, that we’re motivated by anti-black bias), its just too convenient for them at this critical moment.
Pictures of yesterday’s demonstration.
After unifying us on health care (though not the way he wanted), President Obama seems to want to also unify us around illegal immigration.
Obama: the Great Divider.
UPDATE: Vote “No” and get out?
UPDATE III: Video round up of the demonstrations
UPDATE IV: Been at work today so was unable to update. My first reaction on Stupak: the man is very easily bought. The Executive Order isn’t even a fig leaf. The lesson here is that there really is no way to be pro-life and do anything worthwhile in the Democrat party – when push comes to shove, life will be set aside in favor of loyalty to the Machine.
And that is what we have here, Americans, a remorseless, political machine just grinding it out until they get it done. We are going to take on this machine and we’re going to crush it in November.
UPDATE V: Stupak’s Opponent: Dan Benishek. Unless I find out he’s a pornographer or on the lam from a bank heist, or some such, he’s getting a donation from me.
UPDATE VI: It only cost $726,409.00 for Stupak’s vote. For a pittance of pork, he’s tossed aside the pro-life movement. It profits a man nothing to gain the whole world, yet lose his soul…but for pork?
Mark Noonan is co-author (with Matt Margolis) of Caucus of Corruption: The Truth About The New Democratic Majority. He also blogs at Nevada News and Views. Follow Mark on Twitter.
184 Responses to “Sunday Health Care Open Thread”
Caucus of Corruption
I wish I could have been in Washington for the rally. What I really wish is that the Dems would listen to the majority of the people in the United States and NOT pass this monstrosity. We will see what happens later today, and what needs to be done next about it. At least the “deem and pass” has been killed, and every representative will have to have his/her vote counted.
kjstrouble1 says:
March 21, 2010 at 2:54 am
What I really wish is that the Dems would listen to the majority of the people in the United States and NOT pass this monstrosity.
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Do you really believe that the tea party contingent make up the majority of Americans, kjstrouble1?
What percentage of the population do you think subscribe to the hate mongering rants of the Fox entertainers? 50% or more? To say that the majority of Americans do not want this bill to pass is ludicrous.
The majority of Americans are decent folk, capable of independent thought, who do not swallow the kool-aid distributed by the fools at Fox.
shoot…last i checked…all the other networks combined got about 20% of the ratings fox got…thats closer to 80% left watching fox…the only conclusion that can be drawn here is that the other 20% use thier mouths to think like you…do you have any real facts that show that 80% of america are drinking koolaid/false info/propoganda and rhetoric, based on real evidence…that also shows that the tea party is actualy something other than what the tea party claims to be…
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is that what your canadian ignorance wants to tell us about?
why do you consistently bring hogwash here and represent yourself as a legitimate poster…your half witted stooge arse is not smart enough or morally strong enough to defend or correct the rot in your own country…yet…you want to tell americans how to run thiers….what a stooge you really are…a halfarse brain dead mental midget giving us advice?
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no thanks…
Where is there an indication that a majority want this passed? Where are the pro-Obamacare demonstrators? Where are the House Republicans crossing lines to vote for the other side? Anti-ObamaCare people whistled up 10,000 demonstrators on a two day notice – can pro-forces do that?
js02 says:
March 21, 2010 at 7:09 am
do you have any real facts that show that 80% of america are drinking koolaid/false info/propoganda and rhetoric
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80% constitutes what fraction of the American population? Surely, you’re not saying that 80% of the entire U.S. population are idiots. Come back to me with the actual number of viewers currently buying into the Fox progaganda and we will determine how many Americans actually make up that 80% number.
Boor, no one said the TEA Party ‘makes up’ the “majority of Americans”. Do you have to work extra hard to twist statements around so you can appease your masters and continue to make mindless attacks here? Not even a nice try, as no one has ever said that ‘a majority of Americans’ belong to a TEA Party.
Duh.
But a majority of Americans have stated, in poll after poll, that they do not want this atrocity of a so-called “health bill”. If you’re going to call yourself an observer, you might try observing for a change instead of just trying to get away with dumping your swill here.
You want to know what a ‘health care’ bill is? It is a bill that addresses HEALTH CARE. Not education, not pork, just the issue of health care for American citizens.
You want to know what ‘universal health care’ would be? It would be HEALTH CARE for ALL American citizens—including all union members and officials, including all members of Congress, including all federal employees. It would not be a multi-tiered intrusion into private health care that oh so conveniently spares the elites of the nation from its limitations.
Not that either of these would meet Constitutional muster or the approval of the populace, but let’s at least start with weeding out some of the lies.
No one has to “come back” to you with anything, you boorish gatecrasher. What bizarre twist of ego makes you think you have the slighest bit of credibility here? How can you possibly think you are taken seriously as a commentator or even a human being? You are a fake and a fraud.
Any serious political observer and commentator would be observing, and commenting on, the politics in his own country. You are not serious, you are not an observer, and you are nothing more than an infiltrator.
80% of Americans are not idiots, but 100% of self-identified Candian posters here are.
sod off troll
read pg 4 in arguing with foreign idiots for your answer
js02,
There are 208 million eligible voters. last election 131.2 million of them voted and 69 million of them voted for barack obama. At most only 12 million people are watching cable news in primetime. So your argument is that the tv watching habits of the 2 million or so people watching FoxNews in primetime outweigh or speak for the other 206 million more so than the results of the general election. You can’t be serious.
It appears that the mental gyrations of the fake observer have been adopted by the sadie persona. Hey, great minds and all that. More like birds of a feather, but whatever….
Her(?) tortured evaluation of how many people might be watching Fox News at any one moment is hysterical.
Viewership is measured, and by those measurements more people watch Fox than all the other cable “news” shows combined. Period.
No one has claimed that the actual number of people sitting in front of their TVs watching any one channel represent 206 million people.
The increasing level of panic and hysteria as the socialist agendas lose steam is quite amusing to watch.
Perhaps the RRL could gain a little traction by abandoning their abstract fantasy predictions of the joys of life once they have achieved their goals, and instead offer us some concrete examples of the utopia they promise. A simple list of other nations which have gone Left and outlines of the vast improvements to life represented by these “transformations” would probably go a lot further to convince us than vague promises.
if you listen carefully you might hear the truth canuk…i didnt say 80% of americans were idiots…you did…but i have been saying all along that you are a mental midget…does that sink in now? do i need to explain it in any simpler terms…
i really dont care what your mental ministrations conjure up…matter of fact…its better to totally ignore your lies because we should not be feeding trolls…
Amazona,
Js02 did conflate the number of people watching Fox over other cable news shows with support by the American people. He asks, “do you have any real facts that show that 80% of america are drinking koolaid/false info/propoganda and rhetoric?” It’s not 80% of america it’s 80% of those watching television in primetime which is a decidedly smaller demographic pool comparted to the number of eligible voters.
Yeah, Al Sharpton was on Geraldo’s show lambasting the GOP for not condemning this “outrage.”
C’mon, Al–it happened yesterday…
I have a great idea–how ’bout the GOP has “deemed to have been outraged?”
troll bait..
Mark
racial slurs? was it these people? is this the new coffee party?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkn8X0mi3tA
A TEA Party organizer has apologized for the behavipor of those who shouted racist taunts and spat at one Congressman.
mmmmmmm mmmmmmm mmmmmmm the times they are a changin!!!
it wont be pretty
violence and bigotry only serves to harm your cause FmrMarine.
But apparently violence and bigotry supports YOUR cause, Skank, since most of such behavior comes from your side of the aisle.
The democrats have enough dems in the house and congress to pass the bill without the Republicans. The way I see it, the holdout dems are not voting no because they don’t like the bill, they are voting no because they want a better payoff.
…because they want a better payoff..” or because they understand what an atrocity the bill is and actually have some integrity, or because they would rather return to Washington next January than try to find a job in the real world in the economy their party is dragging down.
CI, say what you wish about Fox News; your talking points don’t refute the fact that Fox News kicks ass of all the left-wing news networks combined.
Have another glass of kool-aid, canuck…
keef, did you read CO’s response to my comments on what boorish, low-class, and tasteless behavior it is to insult other countries? It can be summarized as “yeah, well, I AM a boorish clod and I get off on attacking America so I think I’ll keep sticking my nose in where it doesn’t belong even though I have absolutely no credibility there and all of you think I’m a pig and besides it’s not your blog so you can’t make me leave, nah nah nah nah nah.”
There has to be a reason for going out of your way to intrude on a site that has nothing to do with your own country or politics, just to hurl invective at the conservative side of the other country’s political spectrum—sounds like a plant to me. Always has, always will.
Which brings me to the other topic here—plants. Whenever I hear of a so-called conservative hurling racist comments, I remember the woman infiltrator who hung out on the fringes of a TEA Party meeting and when the cameras were rolling yelled out “BURN ALL THE BOOKS”. Because this was a small meeting in a restaurant, it was easy to cross the room and confront her, which the leader did, on tape, and she backed down in a hurry, hemming and hawing and making excuses and trying to get out of there.
This proof of infiltration and Dirty Tricks didn’t stop the inherently dishonest Left from constantly running their video of the meeting, with the shout from the sidelines “BURN ALL THE BOOKS”, to portray the TEA Party people as cretins.
Amazona, CI’s a French-canuck; he thinks and acts like a French lefty. Real Canadiens wouldn’t even give him the time of day. I’ve know real Canadiens, and they are fine people. I’m serious when I say I’ve never met a Frenchman who wasn’t an arrogant ass.
We should refrain from feeding the trolls–CI, salliecow, mazzie, and FarticOx. They’ll claim victory and talk amongst themselves, but we need not respond.
Don’t feed the troll pukes!!!
Joe and Lil’ O get in on the whole disruption thing too.
On the Left, the kook fringes of the radical Left, out in the weeds where the likes of our resident infiltrator CO lurk, merely identifying the illegal actions or unethical behavior of a fellow traveler is proof positive of “HATRED” for that person.
Out there in the fever swamp of irrational loathing, irrational loathing is attributed to those who merely point out the many fatal flaws of an always-failed political movement, and its many efforts to take over yet another country so it can run yet another country into the ground, while enriching its political elites along the way.
Fox News is attacked because it fearlessly focuses on the many tactics and tricks used by the RRL in its drive to “transform” this nation into another socialist utopia.
“Another” socialist utopia. Hmmmm. Just how long is that list, again? Just how many of these socialist utopias are there? How long does that “utopia” thing last after a nation has been “transformed”?
Amazona says:
March 21, 2010 at 9:01 am
Amazona says:
March 21, 2010 at 9:12 am
Amazona says:
March 21, 2010 at 9:38 am
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In the interest of your mental health, Amazona, it might be best for you to just scroll past my posts.
how sly….amazon rips you a new ahole…and you feign some superiority and suggest to ignore your posts…how lame can you get…in the interest of the truth canuk…why dont you go back to a canadian blog…and get the f’ out of american business…that nose of yours…its been chopped off quite a few times now…take the hint stooge
“In the interest of your mental health, Amazona, it might be best for you to just scroll past my posts.”
Most of us do. It’s the B4V equivalent of stepping over dog poo on the sidewalk.
Amazona says:
March 21, 2010 at 11:39 am
“In the interest of your mental health, Amazona, it might be best for you to just scroll past my posts.”
Most of us do. It’s the B4V equivalent of stepping over dog poo on the sidewalk.
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Most do, but apparently, not you, Amazona. It may be time for you scrape that dog poo off your tender footsies, cease and desist with your riotously rabid rants to my comments and join the rest of the crew in ignoring my boorish posts.
keefer
it really means that those people who have far right, conservative and religion based worldviews are easily herded to the tv set and one place on the dial to get their talking points. Still this comes out to less than 1% of the gen pop.
“herded” “HERDED!!????”
Ah yes, the arrogance of the hive mentality surfaces yet again.
Let’s take a look at the assumptions on which sadie has based her(?) declarations.
Far right. Conservative. Religion based. And how, exactly, do we know that this is the demographic of Fox News? Why, because it simply HAS to be, you see, because the truth (that average Americans are realizing that if they want to know the truth about what is going on in America they can’t trust the Complicit Agenda Media to tell them) is very threatening to the RRL and its spokestrolls.
They can’t stop America from watching Fox News, so all they can do is try to deflect, distract, disrupt—in this case misrepresent the Fox News demographic, ridicule their invention, and try to demean and dismiss the imaginary block of America they have created.
It’s just another aspect of the infiltrate/agitate strategy they are asked to promote.
you have no clue what americans do while you are out whoring your mind to false gods and pedophiles sadiebloch ho’…just the concept that you might actually have a valid point hinges on some obsurd drug induces fantasy that you were ever important enough to listen too…surely you understand that due to the limited intellegence you display…nobody here can take you serious…oh…then the mental midget kicks in real hard…huh…you dont understand…and thats why you are here…a tool of satan to spread lies…and gossip…and make up stories…like you always do…
More dog poop to step over. Well, cow patties…
wow sadie,
the majority of the obamateur voters are easily “herded” to the television for the next episode of American Idol, Big Brother or some other M-TV reality show. Most of these are so uninformed that they are easily impressed with style and charisma easily fooled to go to the ballot box and vote for obamateur who had no experience, no awareness and no substance, but he looked cool on TV.
Elections have consequences and many of them are wising up, unlike you who are still mindlessly following the “cool guy”.
Doesn’t say a lot for your group of drones does it?
…and the majority of Canadiens are decent folk, too. However, those of you who live in Montreal aren’t Canadian…you’re French…
…and I’ve yet to meet a decent Frenchman…
markthread:
in this particular planetary case
would have to agree with you
after looking at pix
a legal, protest by a bunch of caucasians
(please bring on race comments now)
one pic? here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/tea-party-protests-nier-f_n_507116.html#s74976
but..disclaimer…. it’s from hpost…which is just as weird as fox news
but just from another side
Na Nu Na Nu
dork from ork!
hey now… no need to start insulting Orks.
(What can I say, I’m a Warhammer nerd)
Anyone remember spook’s post about a TEA Party demonstration he attended, where a couple of carloads of people sat there till cameras showed up, and then jumped out of the cars and hurried over to the real demonstration with their rabble-rousing and offensive signs? The people in the crowd had been watching them, knew them for the infiltrator-agitators they were, and ran them off.
Our PRESIDENT was a left-wing agitiator. The organization that WROTE the “health care” bill is a left-wing
group, whose leader is on White House visitor logs as the person who has spent the most time with this president since he took office, a man who starts off his speeches with “Workers of the world, unite”.
The GOP ought to register outrage, all right—outrage at the Dirty Tricks of sending agitators into peaceful crowds to shout racist comments for the cameras.
And the nation ought to register outrage at the many efforts, on all fronts, to discredit peaceable and lawful assembly and to use such sleazy tricks and manipulations to jam their socialist agendas down our throats.
was it some of these guys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkn8X0mi3tA
What Mark said.
KFC-bagger
B.S. as usual from another brain dead obomabot kneepadder.
Just making sure everyone plays by the same rules, Becktard.
I’m trying to figure out kmg’s point. As usual, it is murky.
But are the RRL denying the infiltrate/agitate tactic, or merely reaching back into their tighty whities to find more of their typical product to throw at us?
Then you are slower then I thought or you are being disingenuous. I’ll spell it out for you.
You repeated spook’s claim of seeing agitators trying to pass themselves off as wingnut protestors. I held that claim to the same burden of proof that Mark demanded before believing those despicable acts yesterday actually occurred.
Is that clear enough for you, or do I need to draw pictures with crayons?
More projection. I hardly think your hands are clean in this regard.
SPOOK WAS THERE !!!! It was an EYEWITNESS ACCCOUNT !!!!
When you snidely dismiss an eyewitness account, on the pretext of needing more proof, you are clearly trying to dodge the issue.
I can understand why. It must be upsetting to see a tactic stripped bare and revealed for all to see. It must be distressing to have documentation of enough Dirty Tricks for people to be able to see the patterns and recognize them when they are attempted.
We discussed three examples of what could have been designed to cast apsersions on the TEA Party movement: The “burn all the books” episode, the episode recounted by someone who was actually there, and the one recounted for this post. Of these three, two were debunked as Dirty Tricks, one by a recording of the event and the confrontation with the agitator and one by the eyewitness account of the activity in question. Mark merely registered skepticism of the account of the third event and did what you did, and asked for more documentation.
You appear to be very hypersensitive about observations of Dirty Tricks and agitator activity on the part of those on the other side of the TEA Party movement.
You also misstate my post, as well as fact, when you claim that spook’s account was about” agitators trying to pass themselves off as wingnut protestors…” when nothing could be further from the truth. What spook recounted was ” agitators trying to pass themselves off as..” TEA Party protestors who were racist and offensive. In other words, NOT as real TEA Party participants.
I know that there is a subset of the lunatic fringe that thinks it is just so cute and darling and pweshuss to use silly dismissive words like ‘wingnut’, but your insistence on both inserting that word as if it had any relevance as well as on lying about what was said is quite an illustration of the feebleness of your position.
I am intrigued by the determined effort of the RRL to dismiss Americans who understand their Constitution and their rights of assembly and free speech to express their concerns about radical legislation which will affect their lives—to not only dismiss them but to ridicule them and demean them.
You are not making fun of faked demonstrations staged by those bogus ’students’ who show up at every RRL protest and engage in vandalism and rioting. You don’t make fun of ‘protests’ which depend on participation by union members who are paid to attend. Your scorn seems to be reserved for spontaneous outbursts of opposition by true representatives of the American public, when what they are objecting to is so near and dear to the hearts of the collectivist agenda.
What interests me is the tactic used—that of trying to dismiss these people through ridicule and name calling. I think that now that real news is so much more available to people, with the advent of the internet and shows like Fox News and all the various recording devices so prevalent these days, the Left’s old devious tactics are less effective, so you have to rely more on emotional manipulation, as seen by silly and transparent tactics like your lying misstatement of the description of spook’s eyewitness account and the dependence on name-calling.
REP. LEWIS WAS THERE !!!! REP. FRANK WAS THERE !!!! THEY WERE EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS !!!!
The rest of your rant is just more projection and trying to justify your duplicity.
Your reading comprehension sure does suck. Mark is the hypersensitive one, as he is the one demanding video evidence. I am just using his standard of proof.
Wingnut protester = TEA Party protestor
You obviously have not seen the video interviews of the wingnut protestors at TEA Party rallies. Not a whole lot of understanding there.
Don’t act ridiculous and you won’t be ridiculed.
kmg,
Obviously you support an ever growing, and instrusive federal government, so I would like to know what excites you so much about. Is it the desire to have some decisions made for you, so you don’t risk making a bad choice yourself? Is it the financial support you seek, so you are not solely responsible for your care? Or is it the desire to bring down those that have financially passed you by?
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Also re: the bill, why do you support stripping Medicare of $500 billion and what effect do you think that will have on the services and providers of that program?
Let’s knock down the strawmen:
No, I don’t, because I don’t see HCR as an intrusive and ever-growing Federal government. YMMV.
Nothing in HCR will result in decisions being made for me that aren’t already made.
Nothing in HCR will provide financial support to me. I am currently fully responsible for my family’s care and will continue to be when HCR becomes law.
Nothing in HCR will “bring down” those who have financially passed me by.
I do not consider finding $500B in savings to be be “stripping” Medicare. Your wording implies a reduction in benefits and services which has not been demonstrated.
Whip count is now 223 for the bill in the House. It’s all a matter of formality now. I told my son today is a day to celebrate, this is an historical event, and he said that we should make banana splits and watch the vote [which might not take place until 6 or 7 on the east coast]. Now we get to go shopping for caramel and sprinkles and somewhat ripe bananas . . .
leave it to some forker slimeball to cheer the arrival of tyranny and the destruction of the constitution by treasonous RATS!
they cheer the arrival the tyranny that is the current health care bill not because they believe or support it but because people they have chosen to dislike support it. It is only spite that drives them.
Good grief girl, you really have no life. For you to celebrate a bill that forces others to pay for your insurance exposes an embarrasing weakness. I will tell you what, how about if I pay your rent for the rest of the year? Then you could have a Mardi Gras celebration. What joy!! Be sure to tell your son that you are incapable of financially taking care of him without the help of others. He may see you in a different light.
clusterlicious, sadie has quite a nice little interet business, I want you to know, based on inciting lust in strangers by posting photos of somewhat attractive young women. As she(?) has been represented as both being 23 and having a 10-year-old son (no comment on whether this ’son’ has access to her internet antics) there is no real reason to believe in this mommy persona any more than in any of the others.
The funny thing about imaginary conversations is that they always sound so phony. “Oh, yes, Mother Dear, now that the evil United States is finally prepared to shake off its shackles of capitalism and enter the brave new world of collective utopia, may we watch the historical event and indulge in the kind of treat any child would ask for?”
you gotta pay here clinic bill too…she should be able to kill 2 or 3 more kids this year if she doesnt pay rent…
Sure Amazona attack the messenger. If you take a look at my profile it accurately displays my age as 33. i know since this defeat which was supposed to be Barack Obama’s “Waterloo” [as if he were napoleon?] has come crashing down around the Right and that indeed is a bitter pill to swallow. I know this and the next few days to come will be filled with spleen ventings here on every Liberal/Progressive who shows up to comment/gloat. i tried to warn you when Scott brown won in Massachusetts that you’d really only proven that only moderate conservatives can win in NE–nothing else. What is past is prologue . . .
And why would I bother to look at your ‘profile’ anyway? As if it would be any more truthful than anything else posted by various forker personas. The problem with being a compulsive liar is that no one pays any attention to ANYTHING you say. And no one cares.
Every now and then you post something that presents an excellent opportunity for someone else to make a point. But your posts are never, in and of themselves, of any worth other than as quick peeks into a freak show.
Or sneek peaks into an undeveloped mind.
I have been saying for over a year now that I consider Barack Obama to be the best thing that could have happened to this country in 2008. If McCain (Obama Lite) had been elected, he would not have fixed the problems that we face, and the GOP would have been blamed for the ongoing mess. He, and any other candidate except for some of the up-and-coming firebrands, would have allowed the gradual warming of the socialist pot to continue, lulling the frogs into complacency until all of a sudden we were well and fully cooked.
But Barack Obama, a hard-core dedicated socialist ideologue, armed with exaggerated ideas of his own ability and charisma, too fanatical about his agenda to be able to monitor his outbursts when off the leash, too arrogant to avoid openly packing his administration with avowed radical Leftists, too passionately convinced of his role as “transformer” of the nation, has cranked up the heat all at once.
He is determined to take this pot of complacent frogs, enjoying the hot-tub level of marginal collectivist comfort, all the way to a full boil overnight. And in so doing has ripped the nice, benign, not-scary disguise off the Leftist agenda and revealed the ugly underbelly of radical socialism. He doesn’t have a few wishy-washy manipulated congressmen at a time easing us into a gradual descent. He has hired union thugs patrolling citizen rallies, he is protecting armed Black Panthers as they stand at polling places to intimidate voters, he has a public dedication to the most radical of radical causes as shown by his open selection of administration officials.
Nothing could be better for this nation than this blast of arctic-cold reality in its face. Socialism is not ‘compassion’, it is coercion. Or worse. It is lies, deceit, manipulation, intimidation. It is bribery to get votes and it is union thugs patrolling peaceable gatherings.
“Health care”? Well, somewhere in their bill is some kind of health care for some people, but the elites don’t have to worry about being rammed into the same restrictions the proles do. If this had been honestly presented to the froggies, some of us might have said OK, it’s not great but what the heck, it sure is nice and warm in here, isn’t it. But it was the lies, the bribes, the arm-twisting, the attacks on critics, and so on that have alerted the froggies that this is not just a little warm-up but a roasting.
I think the Obama Ego Machine and its cadre of fellow travelers are going to do more to damage and “transform” the Democratic Party than any other force ever could have. By the time the smoke has cleared, those who now call themselves Democrats are going to have to make hard clear choices—-moderate classsic American liberals, in the vein of John Kennedy, or hard-core radical socialists, in the vein of Barack Obama. All the whining about the claimed ‘chaos’ in the Republican Party is just an effort to distract attention away from the upcoming upheaval and probable division in the Dem party.
Barry, far from being the mythical hero of the Left who single-handedly brings about a bloodless revolution handing the US over to the Left, is more likely to be the mythical goat of the Left, single-handedly returning American conservatives their constitutional republic, a little battered but reenergized.
Amazona,
I think you are just suffering from not having any power to legally change the course of the nation in which you live without cooperating with the majority. Eventually, the right may come back to power and trhen they will have to produce or once again they will be thrown out. this is why representative democracy rocks. the disadvantage is it breeds and elite ruling class that is often suspect to bribery and coercion.
Great post Zonie: And may I add that this line:
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He is determined to take this pot of complacent frogs, enjoying the hot-tub level of marginal collectivist comfort
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may go down as one of your best lines ever.
I think you are just suffering from not having any power to legally change the course of the nation in which you live without cooperating with the majority – sadie
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Have you forgotten about the courts? Which is where this bill is headed, thanks to the corruption and unconstitutionality of the mandates.
Be sure to tell your son that you are incapable of financially taking care of him without the help of others. He may see you in a different light.
I doubt it, cluster–he appears to be as brain-dead as mommy-cow…
This is just tooooo toooooo sweeeeet for words!!! Good thing about imaginary celebrations with imaginary children: the imaginary banana splits won’t go to the hips.
Do you and your imaginary son also celebrate the daily slaughter of 4000 infants? When you ghoulishy congratulated the 4000 pathologically selfish “women” who had chosen infanticide over decency one day, I wondered if you celebrated this kind of thing every day or if that was just a special event for you.
sadiebloch ho’ is a muslim agitator on welfare in england amazona…she is too busy hiding behind that burkha feigning dignity to take care of children…just like the palistinian wannabe’s ….she straps bombs to the kids and…sends them to the subway…
Women have a right to choose their own destiny regarding giving birth to children. No church, no man not even the State has the power of correction over a person and their medical decisions regarding reproduction. I applaud a woman’s right to choose every day whether that choice is abortion or procreation.
Then would you support my right to choose my own healthcare needs? Rather than the individual mandates that are in this bill that you are excited to celebrate? Why wont you leave your laws off of my body?
Notice how sadie included men in her rant? Obviously sadie doesn’t think men have any say in whether or not their children have a right to live. Unbelievable. A real family advocate there.
Hey, sadie, how about making the choice to not get pregnant? Eh? Keep those dimpled knees together for a change. And it’s not as if contraception is difficult or complicated these days. It’s just that it is RESPONSIBLE. EEeuuuwww. Ick. Act like a grown-up? No WAAAAAYYYYY.
But I think I am onto something. If I am forced to pay for the pathological selfishness of some “women” (real women don’t kill their young) then I am going to demand that every abortion be accompanied by the removal of the offending ovaries. If pathologically self-involved females insist on permanent solutions to temporary problems, let’s take those permanent solutions a step farther.
Cluster this bill allows you to choose your won health care you are just too partisan-angry to see it.
um…no it doesn’t sweet pea. I choose not to have coverage and pay out of pocket. BUT this bill changes that. Why wont you leave your laws off of my body?
Do you and your imaginary son…
You mean, “imaginary calf…”
keef
more like a donkey…judging from her site they perform together.
“Women have a right to choose their own destiny regarding giving birth to children”
absolutely right sadie…but where we differ is that once a life has been created…its too late for the woman to change her mind…the right to chose is before a lady gets pregnant…take you for example…playing the whore and pushing some imagined right to an abortion because you cant keep your legs closed…
The sad thing about this bill is that it is so full of crap that it will wind up in the courts for years, and wont bring us any closer to reform than we are now. IF our representatives were really interested in healthcare reform, they would scrap this bribe, pork filled bill, and craft something that actually address’s access, not mandates.
But throwing a few billion at court cases is still better than throwing nearly a trillion at a “health care” bill that is full of pork, ‘education’, and is a mishmash of economy-killing mandates while still falling far short of actual health care.
And legal challenges will delay things long enough to get a real president in office and get this atrocity repealed. It’s not as if many of these guys are going to be around to vote for it again.
Agreed Amalicious. I think this bill, whether it passes or not, will be the referendum in November, and either way will really hurt the democrats.
the legal battle cant be won…the constitution does not give congress this power…and already..36 States have been working to block obummercare…
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Virginia’s General Assembly became the first in the nation Wednesday to approve legislation that bucks any attempt by President Barack Obama and Congress to implement a national health care overhaul in individual states.
The Republican-ruled House of Delegates, with wide Democratic support, voted 80-17 without debate for the largely symbolic step aimed at the Democratic-backed reforms pushed by Obama and stalled in Congress. The vote sends the measure to Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell who intends to sign it.
Thirty-four other state legislatures have either filed or proposed similar measures — statutes or constitutional amendments — rejecting health insurance mandates, according to the American Legislative Exchange Council.
Medicare and Medicaid are already restricting services and losing providers. What do you suppose will happen when $500 billion is stripped from the program? And if just one liberal can point to a time when the federal government eliminated waste and fraud from any entitlement program, then I might rethink my position. Any takers?
medicare is independent of the tax base…laws exist that protect medicare funds…and these idiots have walked right over the top of existing law to force socialist programs on america…
Remember when the democrats considered Medicare to be an untouchable entitlement? Guess those days are over.
markstration:
your victorious humanoids are getting quite jiggy today
very entertaining….
thanks for your confused loveliness
Na Nu Na Nu
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alien,
Do you ever feel at all embarrased?
Nah, bagni is too immature and darling and pweshuss to bother with introspection. Isn’t he just the cutest wittle thing?
He definitely is a case study in dysfuntional personalities. But also indicative, as most all liberals are, of a failed educational system.
Ranty’s ranting even more than usual–and in even more of a snit than usual. Is it all slipping away for you, Ranty?
Also, nice ostrich syndrome you’ve got going on, Mark. I’d expect nothing less (or rather, nothing better) from you.
slccr
Her head is about to explode
Again, another post from slccr that just skewers the right with rapier retorts. How can one debate someone so informed on the substance of todays politics?
sadie to bad yours doesnt, literally!
PS you LIE, your site and you said 23 Yo-ho.
Hey, clus—seen the level of intellectual discourse exhibited by the new Odd Couple, slacker and skank? (Sounds like a TV detective show, doesn’t it?)
’sploding, ’sploding…..
‘least I don’t have imaginary conversations with imaginary chirren. Bought those bananas yet? Maybe you can work them into your internet routine.
Hep me out here, clus—-who was that mouthbreather I used to slap down all the time, the one who thought it was so cute to call me Ranty (though he had to rip off my Ranty Rhodes routine to do it) and who slunk off in defeat only to slither back every now and then with the same reference? When I came back under a different name I wasn’t sneaky about it, but then I am not a slinker. Anyone remember this guy? He was probably banned, explaining the slinking now.
clus, your post came in as I was writing mine. Yes, these two do seem to define the height of political discourse on the Left. But ain’t they cute together? Awww. I predict this love affair will last as long as her others—-that is to say, as long as his credit card isn’t maxxed out.
“How can one debate someone so informed on the substance of todays politics?”
Well, as we’ve seen from your past attempts, you do quite poorly. Ranty too. You are good to point at and laugh, though. Especially over the past couple of days.
No no no, slack—it is YOU who are too good, so generous in providing such a slow-moving target.
I know I’M intimidated as hell by the verbal virtuosity and political brilliance of slack. I mean, I try and try to come up with responses to his penetrating political insight, the clarity with which he outlines and defends his positions, the historical references with which he shores up his arguments, the multitude of pithy quotes from his political inspirations, and I am always defeated. I mean, what can I say? When faced with an opponent so definite and well-grounded in his political affiliation and philosophy, one can only step back in awed appreciation and concede defeat.
Yes, I concede every single political point made by slack. Every time he has presented a coherent position and explained its value, he has won.
Of course, in all the other encounters, he has been sucking wind.
umm…amazona…slack hasnt presented any…brilliant political arguements…so i guess that leaves….the sucking wind part, huh?
A mind like his is hard to combat. So grounded in political reality, with a sharp, stinging retort always on the ready.
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I am not sure who the poser was that use to call you ranty (they change their handles so often), but I am inclined to guess it was either cam1 or flimflam.
“A mind like his is hard to combat. So grounded in political reality, with a sharp, stinging retort always on the ready.”
I know–I mean, it’s not like it’s hard to prove you wrong and make you look like an idiot. But hey, you’ll always have bitterness, anger, and ignorance to fall back on. That’s gotta count for something, right?
Amazona
slacker and skank? (Sounds like a TV detective show, doesn’t it?)
LOL
Ill bet sadieskank is a 3 bagger, A janet reno look alike, with hairy armpits and a mustache.
hmmmmm no wonder 00 is fascinated with her.
meanwhile obummer backdoors our allies and withdraws the sale of bunker busters to israel…the guys got a lot of balls playing with the lives a millions of Israeli’s in an international game he cant even concieve…let alone…participate in…
obummer is officially declaired the head stooge of the year
“Giving Congress a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole [Constitution] to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please. Certainly, no such universal power was meant to be given them.” -Thomas Jefferson
slip slip slippin’, slippin’ away….
Off to Colorado to talk to two (yes, TWO) prospective buyers for my house there. Very cool. Still working on my Denver project so between mountain property and some city time, won’t have a lot of time to toy with the mouthbreathers. As much as I love the mountains, and as gorgeous as it is today, it is still cold up here, and at this time of year I do appreciate the chance to spend some time in weather in the 50’s, to wear city clothes instead of boots and jackets, and to check out the new restaurants. Once summer hits, there is no place I would rather be—spectacular scenery, horses grazing in green fields, trout looking for the perfectly placed fly, it doesn’t get any better than that.
Waiting for the ice to melt on my summer range pond—stocked it with some 4-pound rainbows last year, and if they overwintered, after months of gobbling my freshwater shrimp they should be a lot of fun this year. It was a hard winter—-DAMN that global warming!!—so I am not sure if the pond froze too deeply for them to make it.
Just thought I’d provide some cheer and optimism as an antidote to the toxicity of slack and skank.
Have a good time in Colorada, Amazona, we will miss you.
sod off C0, nobody would miss you ribit…..
Oh yeah catch arguing with idiots pgs 7-13
Safe travels Zonie, and I grew up in Montana, so I am real familiar of which you speak. The NW Mountains in summer are hard to beat.
I’m glad the Obama economic recovery is working for you.
I see I wasn’t the only one to notice that Amazona was excited by the offers she is getting on here house that is up for sale. Must have been a slip from the usual the sky is falling narrative.
Drudge
FLASH: Senate Republicans found a provision in the new House health care bill that likely makes it ineligible for expedited ‘reconciliation’ procedures in the Senate. Dems refused to meet with GOP and Parliamentarian…. Developing….
Reconciliation is up to the party in power.
I’m surprised none of you are elated about Obama’s executive order on abortion. Oh that’s right it takes talking points from you . . . .
Who’s posting talking points while the rest of us are watching to see how this shakes out? Looks like a forker has jumped the gun on this one.
The text of the executive order:
ENSURING ENFORCEMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF ABORTION RESTRICTIONS IN THE PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” (approved March __, 2010), I hereby order as follows:
Section 1. Policy.
Following the recent passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (“the Act”), it is necessary to establish an adequate enforcement mechanism to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), consistent with a longstanding Federal statutory restriction that is commonly known as the Hyde Amendment. The purpose of this Executive Order is to establish a comprehensive, government-wide set of policies and procedures to achieve this goal and to make certain that all relevant actors–Federal officials, state officials (including insurance regulators) and health care providers–are aware of their responsibilities, new and old.
The Act maintains current Hyde Amendment restrictions governing abortion policy and extends those restrictions to the newly-created health insurance exchanges. Under the Act, longstanding Federal laws to protect conscience (such as the Church Amendment, 42 U.S.C. §300a-7, and the Weldon Amendment, Pub. L. No. 111-8, §508(d)(1) (2009)) remain intact and new protections prohibit discrimination against health care facilities and health care providers because of an unwillingness to provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions.
Numerous executive agencies have a role in ensuring that these restrictions are enforced, including the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and the Office of Personnel Management (OPM).
Section 2. Strict Compliance with Prohibitions on Abortion Funding in Health Insurance Exchanges. The Act specifically prohibits the use of tax credits and cost-sharing reduction payments to pay for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) in the health insurance exchanges that will be operational in 2014. The Act also imposes strict payment and accounting requirements to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services in exchange plans (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) and requires state health insurance commissioners to ensure that exchange plan funds are segregated by insurance companies in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, OMB funds management circulars, and accounting guidance provided by the Government Accountability Office.
I hereby direct the Director of OMB and the Secretary of HHS to develop, within 180 days of the date of this Executive Order, a model set of segregation guidelines for state health insurance commissioners to use when determining whether exchange plans are complying with the Act’s segregation requirements, established in Section 1303 of the Act, for enrollees receiving Federal financial assistance. The guidelines shall also offer technical information that states should follow to conduct independent regular audits of insurance companies that participate in the health insurance exchanges. In developing these model guidelines, the Director of OMB and the Secretary of HHS shall consult with executive agencies and offices that have relevant expertise in accounting principles, including, but not limited to, the Department of the Treasury, and with the Government Accountability Office. Upon completion of those model guidelines, the Secretary of HHS should promptly initiate a rulemaking to issue regulations, which will have the force of law, to interpret the Act’s segregation requirements, and shall provide guidance to state health insurance commissioners on how to comply with the model guidelines.
Section 3. Community Health Center Program.
The Act establishes a new Community Health Center (CHC) Fund within HHS, which provides additional Federal funds for the community health center program. Existing law prohibits these centers from using federal funds to provide abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), as a result of both the Hyde Amendment and longstanding regulations containing the Hyde language. Under the Act, the Hyde language shall apply to the authorization and appropriations of funds for Community Health Centers under section 10503 and all other relevant provisions. I hereby direct the Secretary of HHS to ensure that program administrators and recipients of Federal funds are aware of and comply with the limitations on abortion services imposed on CHCs by existing law. Such actions should include, but are not limited to, updating Grant Policy Statements that accompany CHC grants and issuing new interpretive rules.
Section 4. General Provisions.
(a) Nothing in this Executive Order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect: (i) authority granted by law or presidential directive to an agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This Executive Order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This Executive Order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity against the United States, its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees or agents, or any other person.
THE WHITE HOUSE,
Oh, I get it now. If the campaign finance promise had only been in the form of an Executive Order, Barry would not have reneged on it.
If the CSPAN promise had only been an Executive Order, ditto.
Obama is a liar, liars lie, and Stupak is a fool.
hahah..when all else fails amazona, call people liars and fools just because they disagree with you. Yep, you’re a mature person.
An interesting tweet from david frum,
“if HCR prevails, Republicans need an accountability moment. Jim DeMint/ Rush / Beck etc. [l]ed us to Waterloo all right . Ours.”
Oh, bull. For one thing, a yes vote on this cockamamie bill is only the first step, as it is going to face so many legal challenges it is far from a done deal, and no opponent has to worry about being held accountable.
Now Stupak—HE is facing an accountability moment, one likely to last for several months.
When Republicans don’t get their way they are so quick to turn to the “black robed tyrants” to try get their way. Amazing!
There will be no legal challenge!
Its perfectly legal under article I of the constitution. Government has the power to tax and spend, and regulate interstate commerce.
There will be NO challenge from anyone that is worth the price of the paper its written on.
March 19, 2010 – The Federal Government can expect an immediate lawsuit from South Carolina’s Attorney General if the U.S. House approves sweeping Health Care reform legislation, as they are expected to do on Sunday. Henry McMaster said he and Florida Atty. Gen. Bill McCollum will file suit if House Democrats sign off on the Senate-approved legislation because it requires all Americans to have Health Insurance. “We are ready to kill it,” McMaster said on Friday.
http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2010/03/19/mcmaster-to-file-lawsuit-if-health-care-bill-passes/
Got it cluster. One vote for the “black robed tyrants”.
We hate the lawyers unless things aren’t going our way. Then its sue, sue, sue.
It’s activist judges, not the judicial system, that conservatives oppose cam1. But you knew that, right?
cluster,
So you decide who is activist?
Decided to check on the vote status before leaving and saw Bart knuckle under—what a shameful performance.
Oh, right, he sold out because Barry promised him something.
Starting with the promise to only use federal funding for campaign finance and all the way through the promise to hold all Congressional debates on CSPAN, Barry is firmly established as a stone cold liar—but his word is good enough for Bart Stupid.
Saw him interviewed by Greta and he was a doofus. He just dodged the hard questions and came up with evasions and talking points.
I immediately sent his office an email stating that I will be supporting Stupak’s opponent in November. And as Mike Pence just pointed out, the very existence of this Executive Order is an admission that abortion funding was always present in the original bill. If not, why need the order? And since when does an Executive Order override legislation?
This is just a flimsy excuse Stupak can feed the public to hide whatever it was that really made him sell out.
One does wonder: do the Democrats really think they can pull this off? That the voters won’t see through the chicanery?
Rick Santorum is on TV now, saying that the plan is to first vote to approve the Senate bill, AS WRITTEN, and then they will vote on reconciliation.
But he says that according to some rule, because SS revenues will be impacted by this plan, all reconciliation will be prohibited or made invalid. So the Dems will not be able to reconcile the bill they just approved. Do they know this and are just going through the motions so they can plead innocence, saying “Well, I THOUGHT we could fix these things. Don’t blame US if they are still there.”
Weasels.
Stupidity is not a defense. Maybe we should start to call it Stupakity.
Fun thing to note here. (if I have my numbers right) The democrats have enough seats in the house and senate to pass without the Republicans.
It is no wonder that the DNC cannot be bipartisan. They can’t even work with each other.
Oh yes… forgot to add that at one point, the dems held a super-majority filibuster proof senate.
” Nothing in this Executive Order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect: (i) authority granted by law ..”
Did Stupak even READ this Order? Or does he not realize that once this bill is signed into law, it is, oh, I don’t know, LAW? Can’t be impaired of otherwise affected by an Executive Order? What an idiot.
It can and will be affected by this order which maintains the status quo of the hyde amendment
Sadie,
Now you’re just getting downright stupid. Go check with any lawyer.
I figure he either figured they’d get it passed some how, so might as well sell out for the highest price – or, he’s really just a fool.
Mark,
Are the nuns who called for passage of the bill also fools?
Yes, sadly – we’ll have to take that up with the Bishop’s; they weren’t, perhaps, firm enough in Catholic teaching on this. Any Catholic who votes for this bill has gone directly against Catholic teaching. There’s just no way around that.
And, of course, the more traditional sisters – those, for instance, who wear the habit – are strongly opposed to this horrendous bill.
“Yes, sadly – we’ll have to take that up with the Bishop’s; they weren’t, perhaps, firm enough in Catholic teaching on this.”
Mark Noonan: More Catholic than nuns.
What is it in the bill that is against Catholic teaching Mark? Please cite exactly what it is to which you object.
Cam,
I refer you here.
slccr,
It is a weakness we on our side have – being Christian and thus generous in thought, it is difficult, for some, to understand the depths of dishonesty others may show. This would be especially true of someone like a kindly lady who has devoted her life to serving the needs of others…it might not occur to her that she’d be cynically used by a corrupt politician on the make.
So your contention is that thousands upon thousands of nuns are naive suckers whose grasp of Catholicism is inferior to yours? Wow.
Mark,
Well enough. But I think the Bishops have condensed the concern for life that we all have down to one issue that I agree affects life but is not the only thing that should be considered. If those who lack health insurance are unable to provide health care for their just born child or one who has been born for several years and that child dies as a result, what is the difference? If we can take action that will make a difference, and the Bishops do see that to be the case unlike you I suppose, why would we fail to act?
Because of political reality, there currently is no way to rectify this issue. It is my belief that the primary actors in this matter, Pelosi, Obama and Reid have acted in good faith and have done everything politically feasible to pass a bill that takes into account the concerns of the Bishops and those who wished to preserve the Hyde provisions.
Unfortunately, when you are dealing with a party that thinks it more important to hand the President a defeat ala “Waterloo” then it becomes difficult to work with such a minority. In the real world there very rarely is a perfect solution. We can not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. And it is my belief that the Democrats have crafted the best possible bill dealing with a very complex issue and have taken the best opportunity that has come along in at least 50 years to prevent unnecessary premature death of some of the most vulnerable among us. So, overall, this bill is the right thing to do and I am glad it is getting done. Perhaps some day we can live in a perfect world but for now we will have to live in the best we can make.
Cam,
Uh, the entire fight was among the Democrats – saying that we were trying to hand Obama a Waterloo is absurd. It was your own side which made this thing what it was and is…and it is your side to be held entirely accountable for the results. You seem to think that because we opposed it, we’re going to be punished at the polls.
That is mind-bogglingly stupid. I mean seriously.
Now, please provide me the name of even one American child over the past, oh, 25 years who died for lack of access to health care…not lack of treatment because a neglectful parent didn’t do the right thing, but actual lack of access…where the parent brought the child to a doctor, was denied care, and the child died.
Bet you can’t do that – because the concept that we need universal coverage to save lives is bogus…a flat out lie made up out of whole cloth by proponents of single-payer.
“saying that we were trying to hand Obama a Waterloo is absurd”
You’re on the wrong side of “absurd” again, Mark.
There you go Mark. Start the spinning. Oh, by the way it is not about denial but about a lack of access.
You might want to take it up with the Bishops. They too are of this belief.
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/lacking-insurance-hospitalized-children-more-likely-to-die/
I wonder who Fox will get to replace Limbaugh after he skedaddles off to Costa Rica.
CO,
You can do radio from anywhere
Shucks! I thought perhaps Costa Rica would have some sort of regulation in place that would prevent gas bags from broadcasting their putrid verbiage in their territory. Oh, well…
CO,
He said he would go to Costa Rica but then gave a number of conditions under which he would actually follow through on that promise. It was a lot like a lot of the health care insurance policies that currently exist. It was pretty much useless when needed. But I do find it ironic that he would chose a country with a socialist health care system to get relief.
By the way, he is not on Fox, I think it is the EIB network.
Proof positive that canadian criticizes that of which he is ignorant of. That is truly laughable. Anyway re: the bill – off to the courts we go.
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Incidentally, are liberals aware that there are already two massive unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicaid to the tune of a couple of hundred billion dollars? That both programs have massively exceeded original cost projections, and yet democrats are trying to convince us that this program will be different. Do you believe that? Or do you just not care about the long term financial health of the country?
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And I can certainly understand your thrill with the passage of this bill. You have now successfully gotten other Americans to pay for yet, more of your needs, as you folks are obviously incapable of paying for them yourself. Much like children when their parents give them more allowance.
“But I do find it ironic that he would chose a country with a socialist health care system to get relief.”
Oxycontin ain’t cheap, you know.
Limbaugh is not on Fox, canadian. Good grief, you actually criticize Rush yet don’t even know from where he broadcasts? Have you ever listened?
Of course not. He KNOWS Rush is bad because the Dems said so.
cluster,
“Incidentally, are liberals aware that there are already two massive unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicaid to the tune of a couple of hundred billion dollars?”
You do understand that SS is fully funded for at least the next twenty years don’t you? After that it would still pay our but at about 75% of what it pays before that.
Try about six years canadian, or shorter. Remember when Clinton warned us of this in 1993? He was right.
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The trust fund is better thought of as budget authority giving the federal government legal permission to use general revenues to pay Social Security benefits when current Social Security taxes are insufficient to pay current benefits–something that will happen in 2016.
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http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/14/taxes-social-security-opinions-columnists-medicare.html
Mark,
Calling 50,000 nuns fools? Let’s hope you don’t get your hands slapped with 50,000 rulers. lol
Casper,
Well, she doesn’t really speak for all 50,000. I refer you here.
cluster,
Here’s how the Social Security Administration projects the timeline:
* In 2017, Social Security will begin paying out more than it takes in. For the first time, it will have to use the interest being paid on the securities it holds in order to meet its obligations.
* In 2027, Social Security would have to start redeeming the securities themselves.
* By 2041, Social Security would have cashed in the last security, and the system would have enough revenue to pay out only 75% of promised benefits. That percentage would drop over time if Congress failed to act.
Casper,
You do realize that the “securities” are just US bonds, right? In other words, the “interest” is just money taken out of the general fund…and as that fund is already massively in deficit, the reality is that SS goes bankrupt in 2017. Just 7 years from now.
We’ve been warning about this for 20 years.
Once upon a time, we had plenty of time to fix it: your side refused because it could make more political hay scaring seniors about SS reform than in actually reforming it. Got that? In order to win an election, your side has jeopardized the United States.
“You do realize that the “securities” are just US bonds, right?”
When was the last time our country defauted on its bonds?
When was the last time our nation was $12 trillion dollars in debt and set to add about $7 trillion more between now and the time SS goes in to the red?
The answer, Mark, is NEVER. the fact is that Social Security will continue to pay out for at least the next 25 years.
Seriously, stop being an alarmist and a fear monger.
Mark,
BTW, at worst it wouldn’t go bankrupt, it would pay out less than promised.
mark,
“UPDATE V: Stupak’s Opponent: Dan Benishek. Unless I find out he’s a pornographer or on the lam from a bank heist, or some such, he’s getting a donation from me.”
Actually, it’s much worse than that. His father worked for a Socialist program. From your link:
“My father worked for the Civilian Conservation Corps and then in the iron mines of Iron County”
Casper,
Nice try at levity – but unless he’s a complete doofus, he’s going to mop the floor with Stupak. A doctor opposed to ObamaCare running against the guy instrumental in ramming it down our throats!
Stupak’s seat was 100% safe…until a few hours ago.
Doesn’t matter. The bill passes.
As I, at least, expected. Some are saying that we Republicans will never now undo what Obama has done.
We’re going to surprise a lot of people – not least some of those on our own side.
We’re not just fighting a mid-term, we’re conducting a Revolution.
“but unless he’s a complete doofus, he’s going to mop the floor with Stupak.”
Considering Stupak is a complete doofus I’m ok with that.
Mark Noonan says:
March 21, 2010 at 9:55 pm
“As I, at least, expected. Some are saying that we Republicans will never now undo what Obama has done.
We’re going to surprise a lot of people – not least some of those on our own side.
We’re not just fighting a mid-term, we’re conducting a Revolution.”
To overturn this you will need a 2/3s majority in both houses. That’s not going to happen.
Not as of January 20th, 2013. Then we’ll just need a simple majority.
Deleted – mindless, off topic rant.
You must have had a bunch of filet mignon, today…
too much meat is bad for your blood pressure, Ms. Martin.
Mark Noonan says:
March 21, 2010 at 10:21 pm
“Not as of January 20th, 2013. Then we’ll just need a simple majority.”
Not in the Senate, unless you are ok with getting rid of filibusters.
no need…states are getting ready to fight the usurpation of the constitutional rights that congress is trying so desparately to steal…thieves in the night…mental midgets like you just dont have a clue withs right and whats wrong…thats why you always have to make up BS as arguements…
for the last time js02, you religious zealot, the states have NO LEGAL BASIS on denying FEDERAL LAW! Federal law suplants all other laws in the land!
Seriously, unless you want the states to secede, its OVER, the bill is law tonight, and its over!
Congrats on your health care bill, you should be proud, today you insured 30 million of your fellow citizens.
“Federal law suplants all other laws in the land!”
see maz, you know nothing of the Constitution and are incapable of debating at this blog.
Your point of view will always be tainted as a foreign troll.
Again, those “30 million” will be “insured” getting care is another matter. There are those in Canada and England that are “insured” but they lack the resources for “care”.
The bill last night was never about “caring for people” but everything to do about growing government power.
I hope they identify the Republican who shouted out “Baby Killer” to Stupak while he was addressing that august assembly. What in blue blazes is wrong with these people? Have they become the party of buffoons?
I apologize for mistaking Limbaugh as a fox employee. I had no idea that there would actually be another network who would hire him. Sorry for the error.
that still doesnt justify your mental incompetence…you should really stick to canadian politics…they are so F’d up that we would probably never see you again…(WHAT A GREAT IDEA)
js02,
the conservatives are in power in canada
Since social security was mentioned in this thread, I decided it would give me an opportunity to share a comment that I printed and saved, made by Amazona here several months ago describing her take on the social security situation. I have a few things I’d like to say in response to it. For the readers information, she is describing a history somewhat of social security and the leftist party in general…
(Commenters Note: In other words, it was the first steps in the communists efforts to remove freedom, because it worked to destroy work ethic, and led to the other programs that led to further dependence on the government, such programs as welfare, food stamps, etc)
She continues…
(Commenter’s Note: Yes, the socialists arrrived around about the time frame of the Great Depression era, they are who formed the organization we now know as the ACLU)
(Commenter’s Note: Well, they are basically socialists, and most of them now are adopted communism. The goal of the socialists of the 1920’s was basically to gain control of the future of our country through the educational system, and they ultimately achieved it a mere four decades later, in the early 60s. Socialism in that era had a Statist element to it, but for the time being, they had to get the materialist social welfare programs out there to be of enticement, and gain control of their children through the schools by turning them into a fascist system of education. And, once again, they ultimately achieved it. That was a point in time when we had another opportunity to make the determination to not allow any form of anti-faith agendas to penetrate our system of law, but America made the mistake of not doing it. What they should have done, was take up arms against the socialists, and it’s a good learning lesson about what we need to do in the future).
(Commenter’s Note: Well, that cuts both ways – first, those Dems in the middle party of our history (from about the middle part of the 19th century to the early to middle part of the 20th century had educations and upbringings that modeled what we conservatives hold dear today, or at least the most of us. The problem with the Dems today, is that they have bred so much ignorance in our schools from the 60’s up until today, and that’s why we have so many brainwashed into the atheistic mindset, and atheists hold the socialist, communist, fascist ideologies all. So that’s the change and difference that took place).
She continues…
(Commenter’s Note: Indeed, it was a bad move for them. And it only exposes the mindset of what atheists really believe whenever they go to kicking on our men and women in uniform, and those who hold traditional morals, ideas and beliefs in high esteem, who basically see God has ruler and not the President, the Obamessiah-in-chief they adore so well.)
Continuing…
(Commenter’s Note: Either way, they would have, and still are taking the country down with them as they go more to the leftward end of the spectrum through their efforts to brainwash our future generations with their socialist hogwash.)
I really like your comment on that, btw, Amazona. That was interesting.