Newt Tells Obama He Can Use a Teleprompter When They Debate.

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  1. Green Mountain Boy

    Lets not forget the auto pen. If bams is on vacation and signs a bill with the autopen. its a work day.

    FORE!!!!

    1. neocon1

      Yup
      again truth to power and FRAUD!

      Chris Christie Tears Into Obama: ‘What the Hell Are We Paying You For?’

      “a bystander in the Oval Office”

  2. Cluster

    Well so far James, Cory, patriot and bloody have not responded to my question – leading me to believe that Obama has no plans for a second term, or that his minions really don’t care about policy, and would prefer to lash out at their comical perception of conservatism. Either way – the country loses.

    1. neocon1

      ahhh those silly “students”

      Chant: “Death to England”

      UK responds: “Outraged”

      Telegraph: Tear down flag and loot Queen’s picture…

    2. neocon1

      cluster

      see cornel wests rant above.
      that with union thuggery, and the OWS are his plans for the next 4 years if elected.
      they know that,……… chirp chirp tweet tweet crickets.

      1. neocon1

        November 29, 2011
        Obama, the BAD Dream
        By William L. Gensert

        Barack Obama is a dream. In 2008, the dream was hope and change. In 2012, it will be progress, thwarted by evil partisans and selfish greed. As Gertrude Stein said, “there is no there there.” He needs enemies to draw attention from his lack of depth, for he is truly a mile wide and an inch deep. He is an illusion — always appearing to be more than he is, always, more promise than reality. He is, and always has been, the sum projection of what others want him to be. Barack Obama doesn’t exist, except in the hearts and minds of minions and sycophants.

        Many ignore the truth, disregarding Mr. Obama’s abject failure as president. Those of us with our eyes open, though, see right through the man. A transparent presidency is the one promise he kept, for he is the original evaporated man. Though he seemed so substantial at first, with the passage of time, it is obvious how much less there is to him. What we saw in the beginning was simply a projection of our own hopes and dreams.

        Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/obama_the_dream.html#ixzz1f8J2TRtL

  3. Green Mountain Boy

    Iran will start a war soon. If not with Israel then with The United States. I hope Germany is involved in the fighting to. That way Thomas can’t run away from it. LOL :)

    Those Moussad boys and girls are tearing it up over there. Would not be surprised if airstrikes are not needed at all.

    Kumi Ori!

    1. neocon1

      Obama’s Winning Election Strategy Revealed
      godfatherpolitics.com ^ | Nov 28, 2011 |

      When someone has to use a teleprompter all the time, it’s because he doesn’t believe what he’s reading. The words are not his own. People who know and believe a certain way don’t need notes. You know they believe what they’re saying because the words roll of their tongue. There is passion in their words and fire in their eyes.

      President Obama has a love/hate relationship with the presidency. As a Leftist, he believed coming into office that he could change the world by executive fiat. He would speak and the laws would change. It didn’t happen. Sure, he’s gotten some legislation passed, but it’s been hard. He’s not used to hard. You can tell by how much he likes to play. He’s not engaged.

      Obama doesn’t have a feel for what America is about. He wasn’t raised in a pro-American environment. He grew up and surrounded himself with Leftists. These people hate America and want it to be relegated to the dustbin of history.

      There aren’t enough people in America who fit the Leftist profile to make an easy sweep of Leftist policies. But that’s beginning to change.

      Daniel Pipes encapsulates what he calls “Obama’s Leftist Conundrum”:

      On the one hand, as a Leftist he despises the United States and sees it as a force for ill in the world. On the other, as president, [he] is judged by how well the country fares during his tenure.

      Logically, he cannot reconcile the contradiction of these two imperatives: If he wants to be reelected and celebrated as a great leader, he has to forward American interests; but if he wants to implement his preferred policies, he subverts the country and fouls his nest.

      This means that if President Obama is to win the presidency again and implement the Leftist worldview that he envisions will bring all of his ideological training to fruition, he has to make an aggressive political decision. He must decide what group of voters will help him further his agenda. Thomas Edsall, surprisingly from the New York Times, writes an insightful article. It’s titled “The Future of the Obama Coalition.”

      “For decades, Democrats have suffered continuous and increasingly severe losses among white voters. But preparations by Democratic operatives for the 2012 election make it clear for the first time that the party will explicitly abandon the white working class.”

      “All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment — professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists — and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

      Presently, we are a 50-50 nation. Fifty percent of voters have no economic skin in the game. Then there are the government employees who depend on taxes to keep them employed. Talk about tax cuts scares them. With revenue down, they will be affected first. Nearly 50 percent of Americans don’t pay a dime in federal taxes. Once we reach a tipping point, that is, once that number goes over 50 percent (it’s around 47 percent), the game is nearly over. It becomes an election of sheep and wolves, and we’re the sheep.

      “Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote. . . . Voters and politicians alike would do well to take a look at the rights we each hold, which must never be chipped away by the whim of the majority.”

      We’re lunch. Obama understands this very simple principle. He is counting on the wolves to vote en masse while hoping that the sheep will divide their vote.

  4. Green Mountain Boy

    “Voters and politicians alike would do well to take a look at the rights we each hold, which must never be chipped away by the whim of the majority.””

    Unfortunately we have one political party doing just that and another that doesn’t seem to have the courage to mount any kind of opposition.

    Blind faith in the repub party to actually make a stand? HAH! And Double HAH!.

    1. neocon1

      surprise surprise

      Convicted Felon and Democrat Strategist Robert Creamer Visits White House Five Times in August–Tie to #Occupy?
      by Joel B. Pollak

      Michelle Malkin reports today, based on the Obama administration’s latest document dump of visitor logs, that convicted fraudster and community organizer Robert Creamer has visited the White House sixty times since January 2009–five times in August 2011 alone.

      1. neocon1

        Iran are you listening??

        ONR-Funded Guided Rockets Hit Fast-Moving Targets in Test
        Tuesday, November 29, 2011

        ARLINGTON, Va.—A weapon prototype developed by the Office of Naval Research (ONR) successfully hit two high-speed boat targets during recent testing in Point Mugu, Calif. “It’s a fire-and-forget weapon,” said Ken Heeke,

        the ONR program officer for the Low-Cost Imaging Terminal Seeker (LCITS). “No longer do you have to continue to monitor the target after you’ve fired the weapon. You can move on to the next threat with the assurance that the rocket will hit the target.”

  5. bloodypenquinstump

    “It becomes an election of sheep and wolves, and we’re the sheep.

    Armed sheep.”

    What a surprise, a conservative will threaten to use violence when they lose a democratic election.

    Cue the no election a conservative loses was democratic conspiracy talk.

    1. neocon1

      bloodyPstump

      What a surprise, a conservative will threaten to use violence when they lose a democratic election.

      HUH???

      Cornel West: Ultimate Push for Entitlements Will Be ‘Fought in the Streets’ by Occupy Movement

      “Poor children need…a war against poverty.”

      co nel is a conservative???

    2. Green Mountain Boy

      Where did Spook threaten to use violence? He just stated a fact. You are getting closer to edge again Thomas.

    3. dbschmidt

      The U.S. Declaration of Independence states that “…when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government”

    4. tiredoflibbs

      stumpy, are you accusing Ben Franklin of being a violent person?

      He was the first to accurately describe “democracy”. At the time of our founding, “democracy” and “Democrats” were considered offensive and used as an insult to those against liberty.

      1. neocon1

        The CHICKENSsssss have come to Rooooostt

        Obama‘s Approval Rating Finally Drops Below Carter’s: Worst of Any President at This Stage of His Term

  6. Cluster

    What a surprise, a conservative will threaten to use violence when they lose a democratic election. – moron

    Threaten violence? How about actually engaging in violence as the liberal OWS crowd does when it doesn’t get it’s way.

    Barney Frank may be the smartest democrat of them all – he is abandoning the sinking ship before going down with it. The voters will not be kind to democrats in 2012.

    1. Cap'n Obvious

      The DJIA is not the economy.

      Gasoline is nationally @ 3.447/gal, and it was $2.70 this time last year.

      You two have the combined wattage of compact fluorescent light bulb.

    2. Cluster

      Let’s see a show of hands on who liked Christie’s comment the other day – “What the hell are we paying you for?”

      Absolutely priceless!

    3. Cluster

      didn’t you predit, or guarantee that McCain would win the election in 2008?

      I did think McCain might win – I just underestimated how many stupid people live in this country.

    4. James

      It never occurred to you that you’re the stupid ones? It must be that they are stupid right?

      You must be the definition of partisan hack

    5. James

      Cap’n Cant

      You obviously can’t do a simple search or are a liar and hope people won’t call you out on it.

      the average price right now, as of November 28th, 2011 is 3.30 per gallon.

      Nice try though.

    6. James

      Cap’n Can’t

      so the DJIA is not the economy, but when it goes down about 300 points, Spook and every other right winger on this site touts it as the sign of the coming collapse…..hmmm…interesting.

      You must not own any stock right, since the DJIA is not the economy. I am sure you are doing just swell investing in other things…..

      It’s obvious at this point you’re a talking points machine, so why don’t you run along and try to pass off your lies somewhere else.

    7. Cluster

      Considering the inexperience of Obama and the results of his current three year tenure – I think it’s obvious who the stupid ones were. But thanks for playing James.

    8. Cap'n Obvious

      punk bitch thomasjames

      if gas is $3.30/gallon then why aren’t you accusing bardolf of lying?

      Or could he be looking at gas where Spook lives? Or perhaps he’s relying on information that is not as accurate and is therefore incorrect or possible mistaken. Since I trust his intelligence more than your racist-infused hate screeds I’m going with bardolf was making a general point using sarcasm and was not intended as definitive.

      My price is from AAA as of this morning for the national average for mid-grade. http://fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/?redirectto=http://fuelgaugereport.opisnet.com/index.asp

    9. bardolf

      Cap’n Oblivious

      Spook lives in a particular town, Ft. Wayne not the national average town (which of course you are wrong about as well).

      http://www.ftwaynegasprices.com/ shows at Kroger the price is 3.08 and at Sam’s Club 3.10.

      You know there are remedial courses at community colleges to help people like you get their GED.

    10. bardolf

      “Since I trust his intelligence.” – Captain

      Okay, I’ll join the right wing team today if you’re going to be that nice. Of course Newt is neither a social or a fiscal conservative so I’m going to have to vote for Herman Cain.

    11. James

      Cap’N liar,

      HA! not only are you a liar, but you’re a secret weasel liar….

      Mid grade? Yes! since the majority of americans get mid grade gasoline and since when people talk about the national average, they give the price of mid grade….

      Thanks for playing, now that I called you out on your childish lie, get lost and come back under a different thread.

    12. Cap'n Obvious

      Punkassbitch,

      Once again, bardolf uses a selective criteria (to make a point using sarcasm, never intended as a definitive) by picking the two price outliers and he’s right as rain, but I select a national average using less restrictive criteria and I’m a liar. What part of Iran are you from?

      (bardolf, bet you wish you’d have read my entire post before responding huh?)

    13. RetiredSpook

      He’s out driving around since gas is down to $3.10 per gallon!!!!

      It was $3.10 a couple days ago. It went up to $3.35 at most of the stations around here yesterday.

    14. James

      Cap’N Scaredy cat,

      but I select a national average using less restrictive criteria and I’m a liar. What part of Iran are you from?

      You select the national average for MID grade gasoline…which is not something people use to cite the national price of gasoline dork! ha, looks like you really took it to heart that someone actually called you out on your lie huh? I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings dork.

      And Iran? where did that come from? If you think Gunnison, Colorado is Iran then so be it. I live on the foothills of Crested Butte mountain you doofus….look it up.

    15. Count d'Haricots

      Spook,
      “James” seems to be following a very familiar pattern; start off sounding reasonable, asking for more details, not offering much substance but challenging minutia rather than debating substance. Begin to insult and belittle, become rigid, inflexible and shrill. Resort to repetitive ad hominem growing increasingly vile.

      When called on the striking similarities in infantile argumentation, pedantic structure and vile themes he uses the same phrase; “provide the evidence.”

      Have I forgotten anything here?

      Now, who does this remind us of, and why wait for the inevitable banning?

    16. Count d'Haricots

      Yes, I did forget one thing; makes reference to a geographic location in such a way that no local would, like misspelling the town in which he was supposedly born, making illogical references to distances that might appear correct on a map but are physically problematic in the corporeal world, or referring to a geographic location in a redundant fashion like butte mountain or living “on” the foothills proving he’s never been there.

      So predictable!

    17. James

      Count of Contact,

      Yes, I did forget one thing; makes reference to a geographic location in such a way that no local would, like misspelling the town in which he was supposedly born

      to my recollection, I have never stated where I was born….you want to tell us where you got that from?

      making illogical references to distances that might appear correct on a map but are physically problematic in the corporeal world

      Maybe you are hallucinating, or just plain drunk. When did I ever do that?

      or referring to a geographic location in a redundant fashion like butte mountain or living “on” the foothills proving he’s never been there.

      You want to bet that I do live here? I ski the mountain every winter. In fact, I actually used to work at Elevation Hotel & Spa about 5 years ago for a winter job…trust me, you’re lack of knowledge about me is hilarious, and even more funny considering you think you know….

      Stick to the LIE that your buddy Cap’n stupid posted with regards to “average” gasoline prices….when he was really posting mid grade gasoline prices, and not unleaded.

      So predictable!

      back at ya drone!

    18. Amazona

      The town and resort of Crested Butte are near Mount Crested Butte, not Crested Butte Mountain, and anyone who has lived for even a week IN the foothills of any mountain area knows that the term is IN and not ON.

      Furthermore, the foothills are, technically, along the base of the mountain range itself—in this case, the Rocky Mountain Range—-and once you get into the mountains, well, you’re in the mountains. So that far south, I suppose Salida would be in the foothills, for example, being located where the elevation starts to climb before entering the mountains.

      Gunnison does not have ‘foothills’ nor does Crested Butte.

      “James” talks like someone who does ski in a place every now and then and picks up a couple of poorly understood terms, which he uses in ignorance—-much like his politics, come to think of it.

      1. Amazona

        It’s always fun to see people try to impress by making references that are simply not true. I remember reading a book where someone was driving around Hyde Park in London, but going the wrong way on a one-way street—evidently his map didn’t fill him in on crucial details like that.

  7. Sunny

    “Speaking at a town hall event in South Carolina Tuesday evening, the former House Speaker shared an opinion about the network after getting stumped by a question on an HIV/AIDS vaccine.

    “What you said is information that’s new to me, I don’t know enough about it to give you a direct answer,” Gingrich told the audience member. “I’m certainly sympathetic to what you just said. But one of the real changes that comes when you start running for President – as opposed to being an analyst on Fox – is I have to actually know what I’m talking about.”

    That is not going to go over very will the the Fox News crowd. It has been reported that those who only watch Fox News are less informed about what is going on in the world than those who watch no TV. Interesting.

    1. Cluster

      I think it’s refreshing to hear a candidate speak the truth. Obama speaks only in platitudes and emotionally driven rhetoric. Except of course when he touted his 2009 stimulus and spoke at length about shovel ready jobs, when in fact he had no idea what a shovel ready job was.

      1. Cluster

        Wallace,

        I just don’t care what a few hundred people in NJ think. I am surprised (well not really) that you do. I have a feeling your life revolves around tedious things.

      2. tiredoflibbs

        Wow wally, you still can’t tell the difference between FACT and OPINION. Polls are OPINIONS and not FACT.

        So you are advocating that we should be like the average Democrat voter?

        Warning: this is not a black only thing. This accurately represents the ignorance of the average Democrat voter. There are white women who do and expect the same – they just get their own reality shows or their 15 minutes of fame.

      3. tiredoflibbs

        Wow, wally! I see you need to really turn on the spin machine in a pathetic attempt at trying to make sense – trying to turn opinion into facts, typical liberal tactic.

        I see you demonstrate the ignorance of the average democrat voter. Way to go!

      4. tiredoflibbs

        Let’s go over this again, wally, since you are again a little slow….

        Polls represent OPINION. The questions maybe “factual” but the answers are OPINIONS.

        I can ask a factual question: “Is Wally a drone?”

        No matter the fact that you are, the answers to the question represents the OPINIONS of the group that I asked.

        And I have never tried to say facts are opinions. That is your twisted and deflective conclusions, not mine.

        Thanks for playing, you lose again. Now stop this thread before you lose it again.

      5. tiredoflibbs

        perhaps wally, you need to back up your pathetic ASSertion with some proof of your “facts”.

        Truth is you won’t and you haven’t.

        The “FACT that polls show” is not the same as “polls are FACTS”, as you erroneously keep repeating and hoping polls will become facts. Polls are still a collection of opinions.

        Geez, you are dense.

      6. tiredoflibbs

        Oh, so now you add more details instead of trying to generalize and present OPINION as FACTS as you did before. There is hope after all.

        “People either get them right or they don’t; the ones who get them wrong the most are Fox News viewers. This has been shown over and over again.”

        Okay, if this has been shown over and over again, then it would not be a problem for you to prove it, like I have asked you before. Let us see the details of these polls. Who did the polls? Plus, show us how accurately these polls reflect the entire audience of FOX viewers. Show us there is no way that these “knowledge polls” cannot be manipulated.

        Were these people polled college graduates? Some college? High school? High school drop outs?

        I bet you that I can poll an audience that says the world is flat, we did not land on the moon, Bush lost the 2000 election, 9/11 was an inside job and all of them are lefty drones like yourself.

        All you need is the right carefully crafted sample and you can get the results you like. Geez, are you that gullible to take that much stock in polls? Psychology 101 demonstrates the weaknesses of polling.

        This is another request for information (see the third paragraph). Are you going to duck and dodge like last time and claim “my proof was deleted” (like “my dog ate my homework”)?

      7. tiredoflibbs

        Gee Wally. You are so easily swayed.

        There is no proof that FOX news is the source of the misinformation. Do they or you have a news report that they state Hussein was involved in 9/11? NOPE. So what, if they watch FOX news, they have more attractive and less annoying commentators. It is a coincidence without hard evidence.

        these polls are the equivalent of saying that eating ice cream increases your chances of drowning, since there are more drownings in the summer months and ice cream consumption increases during the summer.

        If only you had some FOX news reports that actually misinformed people to be the actual source of the misinformation. As stated earlier all polls can be manipulated, just like you drones are so easily manipulated.

        swing and a miss, Wally. Why do you always find it necessary to deflect from the topic?

      8. Wallace

        “There is no proof that FOX news is the source of the misinformation.”

        Well, several of the pollsters did posit that the causation could be in the other direction: The chronically misinformed seek out Fox News because it tells them what they want to hear. In fact, I’d wager that’s true of you, as it certainly fits with your patterns here.

        Still, poll after poll after poll finds that Fox News viewers are the most misinformed, have the least knowledge, and are most likely to believe things that are objectively untrue, and the best defense you can come up with is “it’s just a coincidence.” That would have to become considerably stronger just to rise to the level of very weak. But I understand that it’s the best you can do.

        By the way, here’s a lengthy and humorous rundown of just some of the many, many factually incorrect information that Fox News gives to its poor, poor viewers. You’ll find some of your very favorite talking points in there, which leads me to predict that your next post is going to be a great example of the blowback effect.

        Oh, and I notice you called for the moderator to delete all the facts that made you look so awful here. I knew it wouldn’t be long before your cowardly ways took over. You can’t help what you are, and what you are is a sniveling little coward. Deal with it, loser.

      9. tiredoflibbs

        “Oh, and I notice you called for the moderator to delete all the facts that made you look so awful here.”

        Gee wally, lying again I see. Again, coincidence and circumstancial is not FACT.

        Still I could create a poll that would show CNN, MSNBC and any other liberal outlet to be misinformed. As I said, polls can be manipulated very easily to the point that people believe them as fact as you have demonstrated.

        BTW, I don’t watch FOX news.

        Here is something very interesting about your sources: Jon Stewart (get real he is an entertainer and the “knowledge polls”):

        While he was crossing swords with “Fox News Sunday’s” Chris Wallace, “The Daily Show’s” Jon Stewart made the following claim about the alleged ignorance of Fox News viewers that, on close examination, turned out to be wide of reality. According to the American Spectator:

        “Who is the most consistently misinformed media viewers? (sic) The most consistently misinformed? Fox!!! Fox viewers!!! Consistently!!! Every poll!!!”

        Inexplicably, Wallace let that one slide. However, according to Newsbusters, at least two fact checkers suggest that Stewart’s claim is wide of the mark.

        Rich Noyes, writing for Newsbusters, points out that Stewart was relying on a survey conducted by the University of Maryland’s Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) whose methodology has been called into question.

        “For example, Fox News viewers were most likely to believe that ‘most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit’ and that ‘the economy is getting worse.’ Agreeing with those statements got you branded as ‘misinformed’ based on the authority of a) the Congressional Budget Office on ObamaCare’s impact on the deficit, and b) the Bureau of Economic Analysis declaring that the recession officially ended in June 2009.
        “As anyone who closely followed the health care debate understood, the nonpartisan CBO was required to accept the budgetary assumptions of the partisan Democrats who crafted the ObamaCare bill, so it’s hardly a sign of ignorance to believe the bill will drain the Treasury like every other big entitlement program in the past 75 years.

        “As for feeling that the economy is still getting worse, public confidence is usually one of the last indicators to turn positive after a recession. After the 1990 recession officially ended, huge majorities of the public in late 1991 and in 1992 still told pollsters that they felt the U.S. was in either a ‘recession’ or a ‘depression’ — ‘misinformation’ that must have been spread without the Fox News Channel, which was not established until 1996.”

        In other words, disagreeing with liberals would get one tagged as “misinformed,” according to the study.

        Politifact came to a similar conclusion, especially where it concerned Stewart’s claim of “every poll.” While some studies placed Fox News viewers low on the informed viewer scale, others placed them much higher. Viewers of specific shows, such as “The O’Reilly Factor” and the “Sean Hannity Show,” placed higher yet.

        Aaron Goldstein of the American Spectator suggests a somewhat sinister reason why the University of Maryland’s study was so skewed. It seems that its public opinion survey arm, worldopinion.org, is funded by none other than George Soros, who once compared Fox News to Nazi Germany.
        Stewart, if he bothers to acknowledge this goof at all, will likely revert to what some analysts call his “clown nose on/clown nose off” routine. When caught saying a whopper or something outrageous, Stewart invariably goes into a defensive stance and claims that he is just a comedian, not really to be taken seriously. But if someone actually agrees with him, then he is a serious political analyst who skewers politics and politicians in a humorous way.

        Unfortunately, much of Stewart’s left-wing, stoner, slacker audience does take him seriously and use him as a source for news, sometimes to the exclusion of other more traditional news sources. This suggest that Stewart, despite his making funny faces and habit of creating diversion, needs to be held more accountable for what he says.

        Sources: A Comedian of Errors, Aaron Goldstein, The American Spectator, June 21, 2011
        PolitiFact Agrees With NewsBusters: Stewart’s Claim About ‘Misinformed’ Fox Viewers ‘False’, Noel Shepherd, Newsbusters, June 20, 2011
        Jon Stewart Slams Fox Viewers as Most Misinformed, But He’s the Ignorant One, Rich Noyes, Newsbusters, June 20, 2011
        Jon Stewart says those who watch Fox News are the “most consistently misinformed media viewers”, Politifact, June 20, 2011
        ——

        As you can see polls are very easily manipulated to get the results you want, especially if you want to try and discredit a news source that is beating every liberal network across the board. I know liberals who do watch FOX news are they as misinformed as well wally?

        Perhaps you watch FOX news since you are trounced and proven wrong at every turn here.

      10. Wallace

        “You’ll find some of your very favorite talking points in there, which leads me to predict that your next post is going to be a great example of the blowback effect.”

        I called it perfectly. And you don’t even get it.

        “I know liberals who do watch FOX news are they as misinformed as well wally?”

        Yes, they are. Many of the pollsters have noted that the lack of factual grounding among Fox News viewers happens across party lines and political orientation. If you watch Fox, you’re misinformed; your political outlook doesn’t matter.

        Better go get the moderator again, tired. The facts are personally offending you and are being overused!

      11. tiredoflibbs

        I see you cherry-picked through my response again, picking out what you wanted and ignoring all the rest that blows your stupid little argument away.

        My response shows that polls even “knowledge polls” (as you erroneously call them) can be manipulated to give them the results they want and use those results to create “facts” (used very loosely) for dumbed down talking points for useful idiot drones.

        Congratulations, you fill their position perfectly.

        I see you are still lying about me running to the moderator to protect your dainty little ego. If you have noticed (of course you didn’t since you ignore 99% of all posts) I asked the moderator to keep some of your posts up in order for every to see your lies, your foolishness and your massive meltdowns. I have never asked the moderator to delete your posts You have done that to yourself.

      12. tiredoflibbs

        Here wally is the reader’s digest version that your simple little mind could understand. From your source Jon Stewart (giggle):

        Politifact Headline: Jon Stewart says those who watch Fox News are the “most consistently misinformed media viewers”

        POLITIFACT EDITOR’S NOTE: On the June 21, 2011, edition of The Daily Show, Jon Stewart accepted our False verdict and apologized, saying, “I defer to (PolitiFact’s) judgment and apologize for my mistake. To not do so would be irresponsible.”

        So reporting a false and MISLEADING story was not a mistake? How many of Jon Stewarts viewers are misinformed especially after admitting to purposefully misleading viewers such as yourself, wally?

      13. Wallace

        Like I said, I called it perfectly, and you don’t even get it. You provided an excellent example of the blowback effect: When you are shown to be factually incorrect, you cling even harder to your falsehoods.

        You still haven’t done anything to counter the mountains of evidence of how uninformed Fox News viewers are; you’ve just done your standard “those facts don’t count because they make me look bad” coward routine, and you keep insisting that facts you don’t like are opinions and not facts. It’s pitiful, really, but hey, that’s who you are.

        Just for my amusement, tired, try to spin your way out of this one. You say:

        “So reporting a false and MISLEADING story was not a mistake?”

        As the astute (a group that does not include you, I know) may have noticed, in accepting Poitifacts claim, Stewart also pointed out the litany of Politifact articles about Fox News’s repeated lying (some of them even won the coveted Lie of the Year award). So if you want to accept that one charge against Stewart, then you need to accept that mountain of evidence proving just what I’ve been saying: That Fox News viewers are indeed more misinformed than non-Fox Viewers, and a major reason for this fact is that Fox News is a relentlessly dishonest organization.

        OK, start spinning, tired. This is going to be hilarious.

      14. tiredoflibbs

        Poor wally, desperately clinging to his debunked sources to protect his dainty little ego.

        Jon Stewart is no journalist.
        UM “polls” proven circumspect in how they interpreted their “factual question” (used their opinion to interpret answers given).

        And yet, there is no proof that FOX news is the reason for “misinformation”. If a liberal politician intentionally spread lies, then he/she would have claimed to have “jumped the gun” and mispoke. Liberal news outlets claim the same excuse. But other non-liberal news outlets “intentionally lied and deceived” their viewership.

        Typical liberal tactic. Polls can be easily manipulated as are the leftist mindless drones that regurgitate their talking points developed from them. Again, wally, you have been lied to and made a fool of by your own talking points.

        Now, step back, take a breath before you have another meltdown after I have shattered your dainty ego. I don’t need to spin my way out of anything. I have been consistent in my arguments and my proof has matched them. You on the other hand keep changing and dodging and only accepting facts that you want and ignore others, especially those that prove you wrong.

        Typical and Pathetic.

      15. Wallace

        “Jon Stewart is no journalist.”

        Never said that he was. He is, however, correct in pointing out the mountain of facts showing how Fox NEws lies to its viewers and how in part as a result of those lies, Fox News viewers are the most misinformed consumers of news media.

        “UM “polls” proven circumspect in how they interpreted their “factual question” (used their opinion to interpret answers given).”

        That’s a lie, but considering that the facts stack up against you, lying is all you have. See also: The blowback effect. But no, they did not use their opinion; they used facts–verified facts–and studied how well people’s responses lined up with the facts. This is too complicated and too factual for you, though.

        “And yet, there is no proof that FOX news is the reason for “misinformation”.”

        Except for that mountain of evidence already provided. Pretending it doesn’t exist doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, tired. But I know how much you hate facts.

        “I don’t need to spin my way out of anything.”

        Then why are you trying so hard to do so? Why have you avoided the question of how you can accept Politifact’s one charge against Jon Stewart and ignore its massive list of charges against Fox News? Oh, I know why–because you can’t own up to your ignorance and hypocrisy.

        “I have been consistent in my arguments”

        That’s true, you’ve been consistent with your incorrect arguments.

        “and my proof has matched them.”

        Nope. You haven’t even offered proof. All you’ve offered is dodges, talking points, and, of course, the blowback effect. The closest you came to offering proof is a copy-and-paste from Newsbusters (hahaha!) whining about how terrible it is for anybody to mention that right-wing talking points are factually incorrect. It reminds me of your constant whining that factcheck.org is “liberally biased” for pointing out that right-wing talking points are factually incorrect.

        Now would be a good time for you to go cry to the moderator, tired.

      16. tiredoflibbs

        wally you linked to Jon Stewart as a source of proof for your erroneous argument. Apparently you thought he was to use him as proof – he reported the so called “FOX misleading headlines”.

        Wally, your sources have been debunked. You just run from FACTS that you don’t like and accept little snippets you think will help keep your dainty ego intact.

        Your “mountains of evidence” is about the size of an ant hill. You provided nothing but Stewart and UM “knowledge polls” both have been debunked. Your other “proof” were nothing that proved your first argument. News outlets make erroneous statements all the time. They print and announce retractions all the time. It is just like you to latch onto one news outlet and ignore all the others. If FOX news was so blatant as to report non-factual stories there would be firings for such activity. We have seen that in liberal news organizations many times – can you say Dan Rather? FOX has not had any to my knowledge, but then again I DON’T WATCH FOX NEWS!

        I have offered proof you choose not to accept it as usual since it makes you look foolish and you run away from such proof. Your reading comprehension shortcomings is coming through again and now it has made you the drone we all knew you were.

        So you already have melted down today in another thread. I won’t be surprised if you do it again, since your silly little argument has fallen apart.

        Here is a suggestion, don’t rely on polls since they can easily be manipulated and make the you mindless leftist idiots believe what they want you to believe. All the news organizations ratings are tanking while FOX’s are climbing. We know that just irritates you leftists since your lies can’t be spread without scrutiny.

        Now would be a good time to change to a new alias, since this one has damaged your dainty little ego beyond repair.

      17. Wallace

        “wally you linked to Jon Stewart as a source of proof for your erroneous argument. ”

        No, I linked to his rundown of some of the many, many lies Fox News tells. Come on, can’t you at least try to keep up here? You’re embarrassing yourself again.

        “Wally, your sources have been debunked.”

        Your little temper tantrum about being wrong is not a “debunking.” I don’t expect you to know the difference, though. It’s all part of the blowback effect.

        “If FOX news was so blatant as to report non-factual stories there would be firings for such activity.”

        Why would people be fired for doing what Fox News wants them to do? Don’t try to use logic, tired; you don’t understand how it works.

        “I have offered proof”

        Oh dear, we’re back to you not knowing the definition of the word “proof.” Which reminds me, have you learned the definition of the word “everything” yet? How about the word “may”–learned that one? HInt: Proof requires facts, not sobbing and temper tantrums. But I know how much you hate facts and think they are “overused.”

        “All the news organizations ratings are tanking while FOX’s are climbing.”

        What do ratings have to do with Fox News’s relentless dishonesty? I suppose one could take it as evidence that the misinformed seek out Fox News, as some researchers have posited.

        This is fun, tired. Please, keep flailing and failing. It amuses me.

      18. tiredoflibbs

        Wally, when it is all said and done, nothing has proved that FOX news is the “source” of the misinformation.

        If you have read the “studies”, as I have, you would know that the other news outlets did not do much better. The left wing outlets were just a uninformed, although slightly less, about issues. But then again, there is still OPINION involved in the results of the poll. The answers had to be interpreted and that is a subjective action.

        Polls don’t mean anything. They are easily manipulated as you drones are. I know I hurt your dainty little ego, but you need a heavy dose of reality.

        Repeating your same debunked “facts” won’t make them true, you just need to accept them for what they are – mindless talking points – and move on.

      19. Wallace

        “nothing has proved that FOX news is the “source” of the misinformation.”

        Well, as I’ve said, the competing theory is that the already-misinformed people seek out Fox News because it tells them what they already believe, i.e. misinformation.

        You’re still left trying to explain the mountains of lies that Fox News tells and why Fox News’s audience is consistently the most misinformed and incorrect about facts, often repeating untrue “facts” that Fox News broadcasts. You can’t seem to do that, though I’m greatly enjoying your efforts. You just get angry and keep providing that picture-perfect example of the blowback effect.

        “The left wing outlets were just a uninformed, although slightly less, about issues.”

        Thank you for admitting that Fox News is the worst. Careful, though–the facts are gong to make you angry again.

        “But then again, there is still OPINION involved in the results of the poll. The answers had to be interpreted and that is a subjective action.”

        Ah, now you’re back to the “facts are opinions!” dodge. If I’m polling people on what they think 2+2 equals and you tell me it equals 5, what “subjective action” is there? You gave a factually wrong answer. Facts are not opinions, tired. You really, really need to learn this.

        Repeating your same debunked spins, whines, and dodges won’t make them true, you just need to accept them for what they are – mindless talking points – and move on.

      20. tiredoflibbs

        “Well, as I’ve said, the competing theory is that the already-misinformed people seek out Fox News because it tells them what they already believe, i.e. misinformation.”

        Wally, “theory” is not FACT! Your statement and the conclusive THEORIES are not FACTS.

        Again, you have proved nothing and just regurgitate manipulated talking points.

        I did not admit FOX is the worst, just that all new outlets “misinform”. Also, SUBJECTIVE interpretation of results are OPINIONS and not FACT.

        You really need to understand the difference between OPINION and FACT. The results of the survey are presented as FACTS but the measurement of the survey are based on OPINION and therefore calling the results FACTS are misleading.

        So, your misleading “FACTS” are completely debunked since I have managed to shoot holes in every one of your talking points. If I were a defense attorney then I have established reasonable doubt. But then again, you have not provided hard FACTS just “labeled” and misleading ones.

        Give it up drone, you cannot win the FACT argument. All you have are results of manipulated polls.

        Now try not to melt down again. It will only result in your tantrum of being deleted like the other tantrums you spew.

      21. Wallace

        “Wally, “theory” is not FACT! Your statement and the conclusive THEORIES are not FACTS.”

        The FACTS are that Fox News viewers are consistently the most misinformed consumers of news media, and that Fox News is relentlessly dishonest in what it “reports.” The theories are attempts to explain the correlation of these FACTS, and there are two theories:
        1) Fox News viewers are misinformed because Fox News lies to them and they believe it
        2) Already-misinformed people prefer to watch Fox News because the lies Fox reports line up well with the falsehoods those people already believe.

        Oh, geez, that was pretty complicated, wasn’t it? Sorry about that.

        “I did not admit FOX is the worst, just that all new outlets “misinform”.”

        Yes you did. You said this:

        “The left wing outlets were just a uninformed, although slightly less, about issues.”

        If the “left-wing” outlets (I appreciate the implied admission that Fox News is right wing, by the way) are “slightly less” misinformed than Fox News about the issues, then that would make Fox News more misinformed, would it not?

        Oops, sorry, I dipped into basic logic again. I know how much that confuses you.

        “Also, SUBJECTIVE interpretation of results are OPINIONS and not FACT.”

        I asked you what “subjective interpretation” there is. You can’t say. So I’ll try again, knowing you’ll dodge: What “subjective interpretation” is there to note that somebody said something factually wrong? If you say 2+2 = 5, what “subjective interpretation” is there to point out that you are factually incorrect? It was a valiant effort at spin, tired. Really, it was. Weak, of course, but not as weak as usual. But as usual, it’s a failure.

        “You really need to understand the difference between OPINION and FACT.”

        You’re the one trying to wave away facts as opinions. But that’s one of your preferred methods of ducking facts, so no big shocker there.

        “So, your misleading “FACTS” are completely debunked”

        Blowback effect. Delusion. You have not cited a single fact. I have cited lots and lots of them. Remember, tired: Saying it doesn’t make it so.

        Keep trying, though. You’re providing a lot of unintentional comedy here.

      22. neocon1

        There are white women who do and expect the same – they just get their own reality shows or their 15 minutes of fame.

        no where in the same numbers, 12% population = 85% recipients

      1. neocon1

        maybe he thought they are like the $350,000.00 “job” the hospital made up for the Mooch, or the “loan” resco gave them, or the Millions for a terrorist written book about a commie for HIM.

      2. Sunny

        The stimulus may not have worked as well as the President would have liked, but something had to be done. We do not know what would have happened had the President not pushed through the stimulus – and although conservatives have done nothing but criticize I didn’t hear any of them come up with alternative plans. It is easy to sit back and criticize but much more difficult to take the risk of the possible results. I hear very few conservatives accepting any blame for the disastrous results of the gutting of banking regulations during the Bush years, or the push by Bush for every American to own a home. Yet, as usual Cluster, you are quick to point out any failures by a Democratic congress.
        When was the last time the US went to war and cut taxes, not once but twice?? Since when do we not, as a nation, sacrifice to pay for a war and take care of our service men and women? Since when is it acceptable for an elected official to sign a pledge to an individual that is a lobbiest? I always thought the only oath our elected officials were to take was to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America. However, if the Republicans sign a pledge to a person who has neither been elected to a position nor has the approval from the people to ask for such a pledge, conservatives find this acceptable.
        But to put you stressed out heart regarding the stimulus, please check out this link. Not all of your hard earned tax dollars were wasted – like they were in Iraq.

        http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/12/rick-perry/rick-perry-says-2009-stimulus-created-zero-jobs/

      3. tiredoflibbs

        velma: “I didn’t hear any of them come up with alternative plans”

        Republicans in the House and in the Senate proposed plans alternative to the stimulus. They were quickly defeated by the Democrats who controlled both houses.

        Look it up, you may educate yourself. Yes, criticism is easy especially when you listen to Democrat dumbed down talking points.

      4. Amazona

        Uh, bush did not PUSH for everyone to own his own home. He said he thought it was a great idea, but did nothing to legislate this.

        In the abstract, it IS a grand idea. It’s the execution of the idea that is and has been problematic, as it turned into federally controlled and legislated and supported social engineering. Bush did not do that.

        On the contrary, he warned, repeatedly, about the inevitable problems associated with the legislation-mandated bad loans being made, and supported by Fannie and Freddy.

        So sorry to shove a pesky fact into your litany of BDS ranting and lies, Velma—not that it will slow you down.

        (Are you still bleating about that imaginary “deathbed divorce” thing you cling to with such passion?)

    2. neocon1

      scummy

      the question should have been directed to bwany fwank,& co. the NORMAL people dont need AIDS tests or vaccines.

    3. dbschmidt

      I believe it was Mark Twain who once mused “If you don’t read a newspaper–you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper–you are misinformed.” Update that to today and anyone that relies on a single source of information will be misinformed; nevertheless, FOX News does present a side of the stories that the MSM tries to bury. Then it is time, if interested enough, to figure out what the real story is using all available resources.

      Sunny, where is the link for your claim “It has been reported that those who only watch Fox News are less informed about what is going on in the world than those who watch no TV.” or is this just another misinformed poop fling for the trolls?

      1. Caveat Emptor

        db,
        Velma is referring to a shoddy survey from a university in which they interviewed a few hundred people in New Jersey with questionable methods. The left-wing blogs are afire over it, but Politifact, Pew and others have all reported an entirely different profile of Fox News viewership.

        Not worth your time.

    4. Amazona

      It has been reported that an aerospace company in Tulsa has hired a fifth-rate lawyer as part of an outreach to support the mentally deficient.

      Interesting.

  8. Cluster

    I love the anger coming from James, Wallace, etc. The left is realizing that Obama is not “The one they were all waiting for” and are now lashing out at their perceived cartoonish construct of what conservatism is. It’s amusing to watch.

    The absent President leading the absent minded. It’s a perfect fit.

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