Obama Calls Himself a Tax Cutter

Ain’t that rich. Seriously, Barry?

Did you know he’s also saved or created millions and millions of jobs? Ha!

Anyway, it’s open thread time. Enjoy!

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102 thoughts on “Obama Calls Himself a Tax Cutter

  1. tiredoflibbs

    He’s not a “spend liberal”? What a lie! He has outspent Bush in just 3 short years.

    PLUS, all his tax increases will be enforced after he leaves office. All his taxes to pay for his healthcare will hit in 2014 after he leaves office. Let’s not forget the taxes he has already passed one of which hits the poor the hardest – his increase in tobacco taxes. Let’s not also forget the cost of fuel has risen since taking office due to his policies and non-actions – those may not be taxes but he has increased the burden for all Americans. Those increase in fuel prices are reflective in food price increases and other necessities.

    This is just another lie in the long list of obAMATEUR whoppers. But don’t expect the obAMATEUR media to follow up or the average drone to question. They will just give him a pass and regurgitate his latest batch of dumbed down talking points.

  2. Chrissy Ann

    He didn’t cut my taxes and he must have missed the increases in federal excise taxes under his watch.

      1. dbschmidt

        Well, for the previous several months I haven’t–nor will I for the next couple. I receive no government assistance as far as payments go yet the cost of my living (off what was my retirement funds) has doubled due to regulations and the BS buffoonery under this administration.

        What say you now?

      2. Chrissy Ann

        James: Before you call someone “to stupid” you might want to consider it is “too stupid”.

    1. James

      Did you miss the previous 3 weeks when they were below 400k? they are at 406k……talk about WAYYYYYY over 400k.

      Ill make you a friendly bet, this months job reports will show more than 150k jobs created and unemployment will drop .1%…

      you want to bet?

  3. bloodypenquinstump

    I don’t see any acutal facts in the post. That is surprising, shouldn’t there be some sort of spreadsheet or table of tax rates to back up any of your “facts”. You know the type I mean, a nice little graph made by some wingnut website that has lots of other posts about Obama’s birth certificate and how he faked the moon landing.

  4. Ryan

    No matter who the president is, that man or women has no control of the price the U.S. pays for Petroleum. The only thing President Obama can do to lower the price at the pumps is open the the nations oil reserves.And he has done so it times when we need it the most.He also extended the bush tax cuts that allow companies like Exon/Mobil to make recorded profits and at the same time pay little to no taxes. As for the tobacco tax increase the money goes to health care for children that live in poverty. How do you see a problem in increasing the cost of something that Is the cause of death of an estimated 443,000 people each year so a kid can can go to the dentist without the parents spending hundreds of dollars they don’t have.the people who are for the republicans and the tea party need to know what you are talking about. And it is very simple read every bit of information on the subject not just what fox news tells you.

    1. J. R. Babcock

      As for the tobacco tax increase the money goes to health care for children that live in poverty. How do you see a problem in increasing the cost of something that Is the cause of death of an estimated 443,000 people each year so a kid can can go to the dentist without the parents spending hundreds of dollars they don’t have

      Ryan, how does that work exactly? Are the extra tobacco taxes distributed to people with children to help them pay for dentists? What about smokers with kids; do they get the same amount?

      1. ryan

        If you are truly asking me to explain every detail of The Children’s Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009 {CHIPRA Public Law 111–3} i am sorry but i can not because it is absurd to think it can be done in this manner of dialogue. I honestly hope you are trying to drag into an argument. Figure it out for yourself. Stop listening to people who want or feel the need to explain it to you and learn it on your own becuse you will never truly learn somthing until you do it on your own.

      2. J. R. Babcock

        James, the headline in your linked USA today article says:

        “Tobacco tax increase expected to reduce smoking”

        They don’t really expand on the implications of trying to raise revenue by taxing something that will be reduced as a result of the tax increase. The Harvard Crimson has a much more comprehensive article about this topic.

        http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2010/10/20/tax-tobacco-revenue-costs/

        here ya go. why would money go to individual families instead of into a program that helps poor people’s kids go to dentists?

        Read your own statement a couple times, and let it sink in for a moment. How much of that money (assuming there is even an increase) actually gets in the hands of people who spend it. How much of it simply goes to SCHIP administration costs? That was my point. Plus, the increase in the tobacco tax overwhelmingly targets the very poor people whose children the program is designed to help.

      3. J. R. Babcock

        If you are truly asking me to explain every detail of The Children’s Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009 {CHIPRA Public Law 111–3} i am sorry but i can not because it is absurd to think it can be done in this manner of dialogue.

        I wouldn’t think of asking someone with your limited mental capacity to attempt such a task.

      4. ryan

        The fact that you resort to insulting me after i gave you a legitimate reason not to explain somthing that in no way can be done by going back and forth with you on this website shows how pathetic you are.

      5. Cap'n Obvious

        Oh, nonsense Ryan. Since paying for the children’s health care is the responsibility of the governemnt go right ahead and light up, you don’t have to call yourself a man, call yourself a 99% and then demand someone else pays for you and your dozen or so kids! In fact, have a vodka since the government is paying for their food and cloths and housing too!

      6. Cap'n Obvious

        33% of persons in poverty smoke and since only 52% of persons in poverty are adults, that means that means that 62% of adults under the poverty level smoke. That’s a majority ain’t it?

      7. ryan

        Cap’n Obvious where did you get those statistics because they do not ask if you smoke on the cencus.

      8. Cap'n Obvious

        If you’re expecting me to explain somker demographics, I am sorry but I cannot because it is absurd to think it can be done in this manner of dialogue. I honestly hope you are trying to drag a cantaloupe into an argument. Figure it out for yourself. Stop listening to people who want or feel the need to explain it to you and learn it on your own because you will never truly learn something until you do it on your own.

        And I sure as hell didn’t Google “smoker demographics.”

      9. Cap'n Obvious

        Oh wow, how about that! Less than 60% in 2009; if it keeps dropping how – oh how will they pay for the medical care for those poor children? We’ve got to smoke MORE! Our nation depends on it!

        Since Obama has been president I think more people are smoking, drinking and shooting. I know I’ve been drinking more since you people elected him. A lot more; and the long lines at the unemployment office show I’m not the only one.

    2. ryan

      Talking to you and Babcock is like watching a movie then having a child walk in halfway into it and being asked to explain it. Talking to you is pointless.

      1. Cap'n Obvious

        Listen everyone; the true exasperated flailing of the infantile liberal waaaa you’re making me look foolish! Stop it!

        “The Bush Tax Cuts made profits for Exxon Mobil” (The Bush Tax Rate cuts had nothing to do with Exxon Mobil or CORPORATE TAXES “President Obama can (..) lower the price at the pumps is open the nation’s [strategic] oil reserves. And he has done so it times when we need it the most” (Wrong again, he did that Once in 2011, and it did not lower prices; it caused a drop in the market and cost millions $, and gas prices are higher than ever ).

        Let it go, boob, your rapid fire talking points prove only that you’ve learned nothing, and have very little capacity for learning since you’re driven exclusively by ideology.

    3. Ryan Murphy

      Um. . wrong? If he removed the restrictions on drilling, exploring oil shale, pipelines and such. . the price of gas would drop tomorrow, even if the actual production took time to start.

  5. bloodypenquinstump

    “And it is very simple read every bit of information on the subject not just what fox news tells you.”

    If conservatives got their information elsewhere then the information would disagree with their preformed notions causing thinking, which hurts.

  6. tiredoflibbs

    obAMATEUR the tax cutter……..

    TAX INCREASES that are in effect and will be in effect:

    http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-obama-tax-hikes-a6433

    …. some of these affect low to middle income families.

    OOPS!

    But these lib drones will continue to regurgitate the dumbed down talking points – “obAMATEUR is not a tax and spend liberal”. Either way, the drones and the obAMATEUR are liars.

    No, he is more like a spend and tax liberal – spend now and tax later.

  7. Green Mountain Boy

    But,but ,but, The white house is going to have 37 christmas trees and a 400 hundred pound gingerbread house!! Wonder how long it will take the queen mooch to gobble that up?.

    Also, looks like they’ll need 36 more obaMoa decorations for the trees. Better get painting.!!!

    See you on the links!!

    All hail king putt and queen mooch!!!

  8. bloodypenquinstump

    “Wonder how long it will take the queen mooch to gobble that up?.

    Also, looks like they’ll need 36 more obaMoa decorations for the trees. Better get painting.!!!

    See you on the links!!

    All hail king putt and queen mooch!!!”

    Hey, I just got talking points bingo!!

    1. Green Mountain Boy

      Thomas, no I just didn’t get my talking points. The Koch Brothers are late with thier payment…. again. :)

  9. Green Mountain Boy

    Does anyone remember a couple of years ago, after those big TEA Party rallies where the government had to clean up the messes the left behind. I still can’t get my head around the pics of workers having to do the clean up in haz mat suits. What a bunch of filthy people.

    Oh wait. That was the el lay ows site I am talking about. Sorry :P

  10. bloodypenquinstump

    “45 million Americans on food stamps. Can’t they all just eat arugula??”

    So you are saying conservative economics works because arugula sales are up?

    1. Green Mountain Boy

      LOLzer, How did you arrive at that conclusion Thomas? Put down the crack pipe and beer bong . Then try again. :P

  11. Green Mountain Boy

    Bill O’Reilly just described Newt as a “hard core conservative” LOLzer. Whats BOR been smoking lately? Hope its being taxed!

  12. watsonredux

    db, I feel for your plight, and you can blame Obama if you want. But the point is the President Obama HAS lowered taxes for the vast majority of Americans, whether you or Matt or tired want to accept it or not. As usual, Matt’s post is completely devoid of facts. Instead, it’s simply a partisan attack. Again, this comes from a man who complains about the hyper-partisan atmosphere in the country today, and once suggested that a remedy would be to take the election of US senators out of the hands of the voting public. His lack of self-awareness is remarkable.

    Meanwhile, I see that the Republicans voted against a bill that would expand the payroll tax break for the vast majority of Americans to $1500 per year, to be paid for with a 3.25% surtax on those earning more than $1 million a year.

    I guess this makes you happy. You’re out of work, but God forbid those earning a million a year or more pay a little extra.

    1. watsonredux

      Oh, and by the way, db, why don’t you hit up your buddies who make a million a year or more and ask them for a job. Isn’t that the way it’s supposed to work? Keep their taxes down so that they can hire people like you. Let us know how that works for you.

    2. tiredoflibbs

      wow, watty I see you regurgitate the party line to the letter!

      Harry Reid put politics before the “plight” of Americans to make tax increase issue a campaign issue since obAMATEUR CAN’T RUN ON ANYTHING ELSE.

      It is politics as usual for the Democrats. As I said and pointed to facts, obAMATEUR’s “tax cut” amounted to 1-3%, but that has been wiped out by increased food and energy prices and this “tax cut” theme will be eliminated when ALL of his health care tax increases come into full effect.

      Notice the political timing for these massive increases, AFTER THE ELECTION.

      Try again drone.

    3. dbschmidt

      Since I have been cleared for work again by my doctor, I have started looking and within three days have four solid leads and the “owners” of all of the companies are multimillionaires at least–so “Thanks” for the tip Watson.

      On top of that I earn everything I ask for so if I am to be paid $100K per year — I had better make $250K for the company in order to justify my existence. I do not want your version “fairness” in the form of taxing someone that does better than me to justify a pittance for me. Wealth redistribution is wrong on so many levels but you haven’t grasped that concept.

      Finally, I was and am one for returning the election of Senators to the States they represent because that is one of the fundamental checks & balances that the founders put in to the Constitution for a reason but if you do not understand wealth redistribution–you and Sunny can have a long conversation as to why Representatives represent the people and are based on population, and the Senators (2 per State) are to be elected by that State’s legislature and are supposed to represent the interests of the State. Sunny doesn’t understand it either.

      1. Canadian Observer

        “I have started looking and within three days have four solid leads”…dbschmidt
        ————————————————————————————
        In this terrible economy you are indeed fortunate to have so many solid leads. After losing your job due directly to one of Obama’s policies (which one, specifically?) it is truly heartening to know that there are still opportunities available to those highly skilled and motivated individuals such as yourself, db. Hope you are back to work ASAP, paying taxes to finance the high flutin’ lifestyle of all those ungrateful and freeloading parasites

      2. dbschmidt

        Since you asked (so many times ~ as in gotcha?) I took a look for the actual name/number but since I no longer have access to the corporate infrastructure that was not possible but I will tell you in generic terms.

        A couple years back when ObamaCare was rammed through–we had our first series of layoffs and massive changes in contributions to our health care because of the passage. I avoided that round of cuts but our health care changed quite a bit each renewal period since. In the last “All-Hands” corporate meeting–the CFO stated that they were offering Early Retirement (I was just over 1 year shy of getting that) and cuts in personnel would follow depending on how many took ER. This was directly due to Cass Sunstein and regulations that increased our production costs by more than 20% while the Obama Administration was hedging on cutting the cost of repatriating profits made overseas.

        These two factors in conjunction with the new astronomical cost of health care forced them to cut the US workforce in order to not show a large drop in profits and meet expected goals in the marketplace. This time I did not miss the cut and even though I did receive a decent severance package–it still is not a job. At least all of the workers they employ in foreign nations were safe because they showed a large profit overseas.

    4. Ryan Murphy

      You do know that that ‘surtax’ would have, even under faulty static assumptions. .get a total pf 21.5 billion? It wasn’t paying for jack. Its democrat class warfare, pure, simple, and unadulterated.

  13. tiredoflibbs

    It is amazing the change in attitude by the liberals and their mindless drones when theirs is in the White House.

    According to them, FOREIGN TERRORISTS had civil rights and they were not to be treated as enemy combatants with military trials. Bush was violating their civil rights without due process.

    obAMATEUR can select American citizens turned terrorists as targets without due process.

    The double standard and hypocritical liberals strike again.

    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-lawyers-citizens-targeted-war-us-154313473.html

  14. watsonredux

    Meanwhile, unemployment drops to 8.6%. Per the Journal, “The U.S. labor market strengthened in November as private employers continued to add jobs at a healthy pace, while the unemployment rate fell to its lowest level since March 2009.”

    What the heck are the Republicans doing?! Their self-professed single goal is to make President Obama a one-term president. This isn’t helping! How dare they allow jobs to be added to the private sector! Couldn’t they have done more to prevent this? Better getting busy making things worse for people like db, or God’s sakes.

    1. Ryan Murphy

      The jobs barely rose. Meanwhile, the number of people LOOKING for them fell. That is not progress. We need the numerator to go down, not the denominator.

  15. Jeremiah

    “I heard the jobs are down nationwide with no outlook for good and people are tired of looking; BUT GOOD NEWS ~ God is hiring all you have to do is accept His Son JESUS; the wages are low, lots of hard work, many hours, lots of thorns, and not many takers but the benefits are out of this world.”

  16. dennis

    A little tutorial on how the economy really works:

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-01/raise-taxes-on-rich-to-reward-true-job-creators-nick-hanauer.html

    The author is founder of a venture capital company in Seattle who has helped launch more than 20 companies, including aQuantive Inc. (now Microsoft Advertising) and Amazon.com. I’d reckon he’s got more savvy about what does and (just as importantly) does not>/em> drive job creation than anyone posting on this blog.

  17. tiredoflibbs

    wally whines: “No, you’ve screamed and cried and offered no evidence. But you think repeating something makes it true, so what more can be expected of you?”

    Says the drone that has only accepted facts that he wants to accept and ignore others.

    So wally, using your stupid logic:

    If you ignore the facts of accounting gimmicks in health care, then it reduces the deficit.
    If you ignore the facts of the number of people who are unemployed and have quit looking for a job BUT ARE STILL UNEMPLOYED AND WANT ONE then unemployment is 8.8%.
    Etc. etc.

    I can see if you create your own little wally’s world then what obAMATEUR says is true.

    Face it wally, you are the typical useful idiot drone the democrats love to have in their back pocket – taking everything they say as gospel, will not question it and mindlessly regurgitating it for all to hear.

  18. tiredoflibbs

    Whaddya know, wally ignores other proof that proves he is a liar and regurgitates small focused talking points.

    Once all the healthcare taxes kick in, the 1-3% tax cuts he gave (wow how generous, but it gives the drones talking points) will be wiped out. If they have not already been wiped out due to the increase in fuel and food prices.

    Also, I guess you did not notice:
    “Every taxpayer is different, and some “middle-class” Americans may have seen their tax rate or their tax burden go up for one reason or another.”

    It is scary to see how limited you are intellectually and are not interested in the big picture. You only see the facts you want to and ignore others – as usual.

  19. dbschmidt

    Wallace,

    First, Leave Mommy’s basement and live in the real world of paying for things beyond more than a trip to the candy store and then come back. WhoHoo-Obama cut payroll taxes which got me an additional $7 a week when I was working. I lost my job because of Obama (yes, I can tie it directly to one of his policies) but I do not collect anything from the government as of yet–it has been 4 months on my own savings.

    In that time and before it I have seen the average cost of required items (groceries, gasoline, etc.) rise well over 10% here in NC therefore his whopping savings of $7 per week that I no longer collect has cost me on average an additional $45 ~ $50 / week.

    Everything I look at has increased significantly like the price of tires for my truck because of new regulations and medical care and equipment directly because ObamaCare (just had a hip replaced) — so get your stupid butt out in the real world and see how if affects you when you have to pay for things directly.

    Then again–I have a feeling this is another “I am so much smarter than you…” type which makes so much more money than I that it does not affect him in any manner.

  20. Jeremiah

    I’m sorry to hear you lost your job, dbschmidt!!! :(
    I hope things turn more promising for you soon!!!

    And hope your hip gets better soon, as well!!!

  21. Canadian Observer

    I lost my job because of Obama (yes, I can tie it directly to one of his policies)
    —————————————————
    It sucks when you are unemployed at any time but it is especially hard around the Christmas holidays. It is truly disgraceful that any American would be jobless due directly to a Presidential policy. What Obama policy was it, dbschmidt?

  22. tiredoflibbs

    db you ought to see wally’s email addresses for his registration into wordpress. He has so many, since he is banned for his usual hit and run posts.

    It is not the number of email addresses (even though these are only a few weeks old) that are concerning but the names:

    WallaceBeatsClusterNow@…….
    WallaceRunsRingsAroundTiredAgain@…….
    WallaceTrouncesTiredAgain@……
    WallaceYup@…….
    WallaceOwns@………
    WallaceWinsAgain@………

    What do expect rom a guy who has to prop up his oh so delicate ego from being made the fool time and again.

  23. neocon1

    CO

    why do you care Kanuck?
    what business is it of yours?
    maybe it is the tens of thousands of Kanucks who work in the US
    or all the MFG we send up there only to buy the products back
    how about you paying Kanadas FAIR SHARE for the defense WE provide your piss ant Kountry?

  24. neocon1

    “$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.”

    smokers dont just smoke MOST are drinkers, heavy drinkers.
    ADDICTIONS usually run in multiples, many are also caffeine addicted as well which means they gulp down copious amounts of coke and coffee.
    Thus why they need the dental work.
    I get in many “poor” peoples houses see the piles of ashes, bags full of beer/coke cans yet 99% ALL have big screen TV’s, laptops, and cable…..WHY is THAT?

    OPM THATS WHY, OUR TAX DOLLARS THEIR LAZY asses.

    PS

    ryan, NO surprise that you smoke……..typical

  25. Canadian Observer

    And right on cue…here comes neocon with his mindless drivel on a comment that was not addressed to him.

    I care that dbschmidt lost his job, neocon, because he is a fellow human being who is having a tough time right now due directly to an Obama Presidential policy. I would think that you, of all people, would be sympathetic to his plight, but no, you would rather go off on one of your nonsensical rants.

    Learning exactly what Obama policy was directly responsible for dbschmidt and, no doubt, many others losing their livelihood, should be brought out so that we can add it to the long list of this President’s failures.

  26. neocon1

    Ooooo Noooooo Mr Billllll

    Supporters of the FDA bill cited figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that smokers cost the country $96 billion a year in direct health care costs, and an additional $97 billion a year in lost productivity.

    A White House statement supporting the bill, which awaits action in the Senate, echoed the argument by contending that tobacco use “accounts for over a $100 billion annually in financial costs to the economy.”

    ADD that to the 22 BILLION for illegals, and 8 BILLION to busing for racial school balance……………
    yet 47% pay NO federal tax
    and 53% pay LESS than 3% of all taxes…….Shhhhhhh dont let THAT out!

  27. neocon1

    cO

    Bull

    you had a smarmy gotcha at the end of your post which was the whole intention of your post

    I gave several reasons why DB may be unemployed which included YOUR country and OUR WELFARE to it.
    funny you didnt address these TROLL.

  28. Canadian Observer

    NAFTA came into force on January 1, 1994. (Signed by a Republican President). Obama was elected President in 2008. Don’t think the President was responsible for this one, neocon. I believe dhschmidt said specifically that it was an Obama policy that was directly to blame for his losing his job. There is no need to present a false reason when there is a legitimate policy brought forth by Obama that dhschmidt will reveal to us, neocon.

    Perhaps, when one of the current Republican candidates is sworn in as President, he/she will do away with NAFTA and all of those jobs y’all lost to Kanada will come back and your unemployment rate will return to what it was before the Act was signed by Daddy Bush.

  29. neocon1

    cO

    since you are either too stupid to red other threads or you are a smarmy games playing troll here are a few you seemed to miss….

    Here is a partial list:

    To fundamentally transform the United States of America.

    To put more Americans on food stamps than ever before.

    To turn 16% of our economy over to the government (healthcare).

    To plunder from the pockets of the producers and redistribute wealth.

    To pay off political backers by “investing” in their non-sustainable solar companies.

    To change union rules so as to make unionization easier.

    To deny American energy efforts for the sake of “green” dreams.

    To turn long-established bankruptcy law on its head by giving preferences to unsecured union creditors.

    To apologize for America on the world stage.

    To bow to the enemies of America.

    To demonize millionaires and billionaires.

    To implement rules and regulations costing businesses trillions each year.

    To give the EPA power to destroy segments of our economy … coal, for instance.

    To bailout certain industries and then stick the taxpayers with the tab.

    To spend $800 billion on virtual dance projects and bridges for endangered squirrels.

    To lose 2.5 million jobs in our economy.

    To sue states when they try and do what the federal government fails to do – protect its borders.

    The list can go on and on .. and it is way too easy to compile. Please feel free to add to the list. This should make for some interesting debate.

    Author tiredoflibbs

  30. neocon1

    cO

    WAY before NAFDA moron.

    still didnt address US welfare for Kanada and the freedom YOU have thanks to Our MONEY, Military, Blood.
    typical liberal looter and taker, OPM aint it grand?

  31. tiredoflibbs

    Uh, CO make sure you have your talking points straight before you copy and paste them.

    Bush CEREMONIOUSLY signed NAFTA in 1992. It still had to be ratified by both Houses and signed into LAW. In 1994 when it was SIGNED INTO LAW by Bill Clinton who I believe was a DEMOCRAT President. Also, Clinton was responsible for the FAR EAST TRADE AGREEMENT which caused many businesses to move to China and other such cheap labor countries.

  32. neocon1

    Canada manufactures many items from cars, airplanes, clothes, autoparts, furniture, tools.

    BUT the majority of these companies are US owned. Canada has a huge advantage over the US because of our dollar advantage, plus the cost of our healthcare. For example, US auto makers get healthcare insurance that costs the company an average of $6000 per employee. This gives the US companies a huge advantage in placing their manufacturing plants on Canadian soil.

  33. bardolf

    That’s very nice of you Jeremiah. Once in a while some concern for fellow posters is nice to see, whether you disagree or not with them on politics.

    That said, you’re a nincompoop. (just kidding). have a good day

  34. dbschmidt

    No worries. I was prepared and I have a solid record & skill set to find work no matter where I am. Nevertheless, Thanks to everyone for the concern.

  35. watsonredux

    Meanwhile, unemployment drops to 8.6%. Per the Journal, “The U.S. labor market strengthened in November as private employers continued to add jobs at a healthy pace, while the unemployment rate fell to its lowest level since March 2009.”

    What the heck are the Republicans doing?! Their self-professed single goal is to make President Obama a one-term president. This isn’t helping! How dare they allow jobs to be added to the private sector! Couldn’t they have done more to prevent this? Better getting busy making things worse for people like db, or God’s sakes.

  36. tiredoflibbs

    Hmmmmm….. from the Journal:

    “The rate fell from the previous month’s 9.0 percent, a move which in part reflected a drop in those looking for jobs. The participation rate dropped to 64 percent, from 64.2 percent in October, representing 315,000 fewer job-seekers.”

    So when you remove almost triple the amount of people looking for a job than the amount of jobs 120,000, of course you would get a drop in unemployment that you can chant about!!! Let’s remove the people from the calculation who will make our dear leader’s numbers look bad.

    I understand 120,000 new jobs were created. But are those permanent jobs or are they part of the holiday seasonal temporary jobs???

    “”Overall, the continued modest employment gains reflect an economy that plods along at an uninspiring pace,” Kathy Bostjancic, director of macroeconomic analysis at The Conference Board, said in a statement. “These modest job gains are still not enough to propel economic growth to a sustainable 2 percent-plus growth path.””

    Who cares! The pResident and his mindless drones (as watty readily regurgitates) have their talking points!!! Wooo-hooo!!!!

    “”When the unemployment rate declines, we want to see both employment and participation increase as discouraged workers return to the labor force. Today, we got the former, but not the latter, making the 0.4 percent drop look a bit suspect,” Neil Dutta, US economist at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, told clients.

    Awwwww, I just burst watty’s bubble. Again, you libs need to look at the big picture and not what you just can spin into something positive.

  37. Canadian Observer

    Thank you for the clarification, tired. Yes, even though Bush worked to “fast track” the signing prior to the end of his term, he ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing into law to incoming president Bill Clinton.

    Now… you just need to work hard to assure that there is a Republican put in the White House so that the Agreement can be torn up.

  38. tiredoflibbs

    It was not a clarification CO. But more accurately, it was an education to you.

    Why didn’t the pResident obAMATEUR tear up all the agreements when he had a DEMOCRAT majority in both houses? Why would he pass the buck?

    Oh, perhaps, it was all that Chinese campaign money the Democrats continually receive.

  39. tiredoflibbs

    Again, wally, you are slow and desperately need some reading comprehension.

    I never denied the tax cuts. I factually pointed out that you ignored (along with the other drones) details that does put a slightly different meaning to your talking points.

    The small tax cuts that were made (withholding taxes only excluding SS of course – the year end tax remains the same, not much of a tax cut) have been offset by fuel and food increases plus will be completely nullified after all the health care taxes kick in. Many will see a larger tax burden – THE BIG PICTURE!!!

    Of course, that just ruins your dumbed down talking points. An intentional omission is a lie. You do it all the time. I never denied tax cuts.

    Again, you lose. Go nurse your delicate ego.

  40. neocon1

    cO

    Our own military has also done its share in protecting our Nation

    NOT
    with out the USA you would be over run by cuba in two days.

  41. tiredoflibbs

    Again, wally, reading comprehension is not your strong point.

    I never denied the cuts, just factually pointed out the big picture. The big picture that you cherry pick to make you and your fellow drones feel better about your dishonest leader. By dishonest, obAMATEUR purposefully omits details about the big picture as well.

    Well, since he has nothing to run on, he needs all the help he can get.

  42. neocon1

    DUHHHH !!!

    How is this possible? The EITC is a “refundable credit,”—meaning that beneficiaries can receive more from the government than they pay in taxes. As a result, many low-income workers who pay no income taxes will file a tax return for one reason: to get an EITC check.

    The incentive to cheat is huge: a worker with two children and earned income less than $38,646 could receive an EITC payment of up to $4,824 in 2008. A related tax credit—the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC)—pays this person another $1,126 if his or her income was less than $16,000. 1 For most families in this income bracket, the EITC check is the largest single sum of money they will receive in the course of the year.

    Technically, EITC is available only to people with valid Social Security numbers (SSNs). In practice, identity theft, counterfeit Social Security cards, and other scams easily nullify such restrictions. EITC outreach groups—most prominently, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities—offer tips as to how immigrants can receive EITC payments for years in which they did not have a valid SSN. As a result, illegal aliens are estimated to receive the EITC at even greater rates than their legal counterparts. (See the More Evidence of EITC Fraud section on page 14.)

    The ACTC is available to illegals even if they do not have a valid SSN. All they need is an Income Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN)—which the IRS is only too happy to provide. (See the Illegal Aliens and the EITC section on page 13.)

    The General Accounting Office (GAO) verified the vast scale of the fraud, reporting that “…the IRS estimated [it is] between 27 and 32 percent of EITC dollars claimed.” 2

    EITC scams are common, well-organized, and massive. In 1993, Dateline, a network television news program, filmed perpetrators paying housing project residents $400 for their names and SSNs. The con men used this information to file federal income tax returns electronically and receive bank loans using the estimated EITC refund as collateral .3

    Most illegal immigrants have fraudulent Social Security cards, according to federal security officials. Their favorite target: young children. Social Security Numbers assigned to infants are stolen from medical paperwork and used to file returns.

  43. Canadian Observer

    “with out the USA you would be over run by cuba in two days”…neocon

    —————————————————————————-

    You’re fogetting, neocon, that Kommie Kanada is on friendly terms with Kommie Kuba. We Knucks love to vacation in Kuba and smoke Kuban Cigars. So I would say it’s more likely that Kuba is being over run with Kanadian tourists than the other way around.

  44. tiredoflibbs

    “The big picture is that Obama is a tax cutter.”

    Only if you leave out his tax increases and the rest of the details. Such an omission is a lie – you, obAMATEUR and the rest of you mindless drones are liars.

    obAMATEUR cut taxes, the little pittance of 1-3% of payroll with-holding (at the end of the year you still are expected to pay the same tax when you file).

    But why quibble about details? These dumbed down talking points gives obAMATEUR a platform to run on since all his other policies and programs have been complete failures. So, in your eyes it does not matter that the tax cuts have been and will be nullified by the increase in the prices of food and fuel (I notice you again ignore facts you don’t like) and he increase in taxes for health care, respectively.

    You and your ego feel safe with those talking points – stick with them, it may prevent another one of your massive meltdowns that you had the other day.

  45. tiredoflibbs

    Again, wally you are selective in what you comprehend.

    “Yes, he did. Could you please explain that to Matt?”

    Apparently you need to have it explained to you that if you look at the BIG PICTURE he also raised taxes. And the FACT of the matter is that his tax cuts have been offset by his tax increases.

    You, like the obAMATEUR, love to lie and cherry pick what you want and leave out the rest of the details – like you always do.

    Now, go ahead and cherry pick through this post retaining what you want and ignore the rest.

  46. tiredoflibbs

    Yes, obAMATEUR says he cut taxes. But he also PURPOSEFULLY OMITTED THE FACT THAT HE HAS RAISED THEM TOO!!! A intentional deceit on his part which is a LIE!!

    I don’t have to “make up excuses” for why they don’t count. I use facts to show that they have been nullified.

    REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN SIGNED INTO LAW BY OBAMATEUR HIMSELF!!! Why are you so afraid of these facts? Or, is it too complicated for you to understand? Of course it is. You simply regurgitate the mindless dumbed down talking points that come down the pipe from the pResident.

    You desperately need to learn to deal with it. Your delicate ego can take another crushing defeat. Otherwise you will have another massive meltdown like you did last week.

  47. tiredoflibbs

    Don’t count on wally to answer any direct questions.

    For some reason, he is deathly afraid of being locked down into an answer where he cannot deflect or run away screaming in panic.

  48. tiredoflibbs

    I don’t need to explain anything to Matt. The only people who need it explained to them are you mindless, useful idiot drones who don’t know a tax increase when they are shown one and can’t see the big picture outside of their regurgitated dumbed-down talking points.

    You and your drones, like obAMATEUR ignore FACTS you don’t want to hear for fear of being the proven liar that you (and they) are.

  49. tiredoflibbs

    Wally, you are still stuck on stupid.

    Obama WAS a tax cutter. He stopped being one when he raised taxes to pay for his health care, raised taxes on tobacco.

    FACTS that make you squirm you completely ignore as if they never existed and you keep making a fill of yourself like you are now.

    Why don’t you explain it to Mark in great detail? Oh right, you never stick you neck out for anything because you are too much of a coward to risk being wrong and proven so again.

    Like before when you refused to provide the info I repeatedly asked for, you ended up just doing a massive meltdown in order to deflect away from that.

    Go ahead keep calling obAMATEUR a tax cutter after he signed tax increases into law. You only reveal yourself to be a mindless useful idiot drone that regurgitates dumbed down talking points. You did not get that misinformed listening to FOX news.

    That new alias is looking better for you isn’t it!?!

  50. tiredoflibbs

    Oh I see how it’s going to be… you are still going to lie to save your dainty ego.

    “You being a pussy is not my fault, tired. ”

    And, we have reached full meltdown, because I am not going to quit challenging you because you like to pull these constant circular arguments you do. How many times have you brought this lie up in how many different threads? How many time you went full circle with the David Duke argument in different threads? All to avoid, answering a challenge and/or providing the information that you rely on only for them to be revealed as dumbed-down talking points as in this one.

    “Oh, and you still haven’t gotten around the fact that, per your own admission, Obama has been a tax cutter.”

    So again, we are back to this one, after I proved that obAMATEUR ceased being a tax cutter when he signed tax increases into law. Well, I guess he can still be one if you “forget” or disassociate yourself from reality from that FACT.

    Again, why don’t you put your neck out and explain it to Matt and make a valid argument as to why we should ignore the FACT that obAMATEUR signed legislation to increase taxes, which will not make him a “tax cutter”??????

    Are you scared to do so????? You have avoided it so far…..

    Note: I again ask the moderator not to delete this meltdown post of wally/bodie/monty/jeffy. It clearly demonstrates that this mindless drone is not here to debate but just to fling his mental excrement hoping something will stick.

  51. tiredoflibbs

    Wally, no matter how many times you regurgitate “obAMATEUR is a tax cutter” will not make it true, since he signed into law tax increases.

    You won’t acknowledge his signing of those increases to pay for his health care. And you claiming “you can scream and cry all you want that you “proved” Obama ceased to be a tax cutter, but as always, the facts simply don’t agree with you.” is a lie. I haven’t just “screamed and cried” I offered links to said evidence.

    You as usual only acknowledge facts you want and ignore those that prove you wrong.

    SInce you are so slow witted: obAMATEUR has signed into law tax increases – he is no longer a “tax cutter”. It is a sad FACT that you even lie to yourself when you have been completely squashed in this argument.

    Oh, well, you need to protect that dainty little ego.

  52. tiredoflibbs

    Wally your “source of fact” also ignores the tax increases in health care. They had to! In order to not prove the pResident the liar that he is.

    They also did not touch this little gem in his statement: “We have cut taxes for small businesses not once, not twice, but 17 times. The average family’s tax burden is among the lowest it’s been in the last 60 years.”

    They did not even mention it! They ignored it just like they ignored the tax increases that will effect the 60%! Also, his policies are driving up the health care and insurance costs for those 60% as well. We have seen it on the news. For example, Verizon workers are going to have to pay the taxes assessed on their employer for their “cadillac” health care plans.

    Again, wally, IT IS THE BIG PICTURE you have to consider, and not the mindless dumbed down talking points you are spoon fed.

    You are right in your own little land of make believe and not in the real world where the rest of us live.

    Try not to meltdown as you did earlier.

  53. tiredoflibbs

    Wally, you (and the pResident) are trying to convince us that if you ignore the tax increases SIGNED INTO LAW that obAMATEUR is a “tax cutter”. So if you ignore FACTS to the contrary then obAMATEUR is a “tax cutter”. Is this what passes for liberal logic???

    Evidently so. You are happy to ignore FACTS to have your little talking point, since obAMATEUR has no other successes to run on.

    And here is wally’s attempt at deflecting away from his failed argument. He deflects by bringing up Reagan. I knew you would do that since this has been brought up before.

    According to liberals, REAGAN was not a tax cutter, since he raised taxes. It does not matter that his cuts far outweighed his increases – another liberal talking point. This has been posted here by you left wing useful idiots. It is a shame that you won’t apply the same liberal established logic to your own. Again, if you did, then obAMATEUR does not have any accomplishments that the American will like.

    Poor wally, a mindless drone, that hasn’t a clue he is being made the fool. The only one in knots is you since you can’t be honest enough to consider the BIG PICTURE in this tax debate. All you can do is pick and choose the FACTS that makes your argument and ignore the ones that disprove your (and your failure of a pResident) statements.

    Try not to meltdown again wally. You know it is in violation of the posting rules. it will only get deleted and then you will whine about it and it will be your fault and yours alone.

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