You’ve Got to Be Kidding!!!!!

The shooting that took place in Fort Hood over two years ago was the worst mass murder ever to take place on an American military base.  Thirteen people died and 29 were wounded by an Islamic radical shouting “Allah Akbar” as he fired.    The shooter, Nidal Hasan, was an Army Major serving as a psychiatrist.  He is also a Muslim.  He was inspired by radical Islamic cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, an al Qaeda leader in Yemen.  In fact, Hasan and Awlaki exchanged as many 20 emails, and this radical Islamic goon declared Hasan to be “a hero.”  Now Awlaki is worm food … he was killed by a U.S. drone strike.  But what about Major Nidal Hasan?

What happened at Ft. Hood was a terrorist attack.  A terrorist attack on an American military base that killed 13 people.  It was an attack carried on by a Muslim shouting praise to Allah as he shot 13 people dead.  It was an attack that was carried on under the tutelage of a radical Islamic cleric who was later targeted in our war on Islamic terror.

But what of the obAMATEUR administration?  You do remember, don’t you, that when obAMATEUR took office he told us that acts of terrorism would be referred to as “Man-caused disasters,” and that our war on terror would henceforth be referred to as our “overseas contingency operation.”  So …. What about Hasan’s attack at Ft. Hood?  Gang obAMATEUR has now informed us that this was not a terrorist attack, it was simply “WORKPLACE VIOLENCE”.

Again …. The obAMATEUR administration’s Department of Defense has, according to Sen. Susan Collins, classified the worst shooting on a military base by a Muslim in co-hoots with al Qaeda to be nothing more than WORKPLACE VIOLENCE.

Forget the word “terrorism.”  Forget the phrase Islamic terrorist.  We are talking about the Obama administration here!  This is the same administration that …

Rep. Allen West sums it up in a Tweet, “America has no Commander in Chief.”

Gotta love Allen West for accurately depicting the situation.

Imagine if some distraught individual went to an army base clinging to his bible and chanting scripture as he/she killed 13 people, then we’d have big sis Janet, saying she was justified in putting Christians on terrorist watch lists.

Unbelievable!

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50 thoughts on “You’ve Got to Be Kidding!!!!!

  1. Amazona

    But “workplace violence” is based on the underlying premise that bosses are bad, the capitalist system creates victims who are pushed by desperation to strike back at the oppressors, and in general has a niche in Leftist philosophy.

    But domestic terrorist attacks by radical Muslims fall into a different category, one which is steadfastly ignored or protected by this administration. For some reason, this is sensitive territory, in which the administration chooses to tread oh so delicately, so it has to be presented as something it is not.

    The shooting was quite clearly an act of anti-American terrorism, not a strike against a mean old boss or even the entire capitalist system. It was rooted in a religiously inspired rage, it was identified by the shooter as an act related to his religion, and this religion has declared its intent to destroy the United States.

    The refusal of this administration to identify and deal with the realities of radial Islam is as alarming as its Justice Department head instructing people that they will not prosecute black on white crime.

    It is an abandonment of the rule of law in favor of protected classes.

  2. neocon1

    wellll

    this son of a kenyan marxist grew up as a muslim in asia, returned as an abandoned foreign national, was given to grand parents and raised in a communist leaning home with hard core communist ( F. marshall davis) .
    moved to chicago was a doper hanging out with muslims, traveled to pakistsn twice when Americans were FORBIDDEN to travel there,
    hung out with commies when at college, attender a vile racist church, worked with and befriended domestic terrorists, thugs, dopers and perverts.

    subsequently turned in his law license, changed his name, lost his BC, and sealed ALL his records…….
    we are surprised by ANYTHING that comes out of the horrific regime …WHY??

      1. neocon1

        “It was illegal for US travelers to go to Pakistan in 1981, and it is assumed that since Obama was visiting his mother in Indonesia that he was able to obtain a visa from Indonesia to travel to Pakistan, under his prior name as a registered Indonesia citizen – Barry Soetoro. His Pakistani college roommates who he traveled with were muslim. Karachi, Pakistan and Hyderabad, India are predominately muslim. His college roommates were said to be wealthy, so perhaps he just went to have a good time and party, and he could blend into the muslim society because that’s was his upbringing from an early age.

        His mother, Ann Dunham, worked and lived as a consultant to the Asian Development Bank (ADB), in Gujranwalla, Pakistan from 1987 to 1992. During this time, Obama visited his mother in Pakistan staying for a month or more at a time at the Hilton International Hotel (now Avari Hotel), Lahore, where she resided. She travelled daily from Lahore to Gujranwalla, Pakistan. Lahore is the second largest city in Pakistan, after Karachi, and is a center for muslim heritage.

        This is a question that remains unanswered, and there is much speculation about the situation and reasons and logistics of the travel, including how was a passport or visa obtained when travel was illegal for US citizens to the area.”

      2. James

        Neo,

        really? it was illegal to go to pakistan at that time as an American? Then what do you say to the following from Factcheck.org.

        There was no such ban. Americans traveled there without incident, as shown by a travel piece that appeared in the New York Times in 1981, dated June 14. Barbara Crossette, an assistant news editor of the Times, told her mostly American readers they could travel to Lahore, Pakistan, by air, rail or road, adding: “Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans) at border crossings and airports.”

        Her article prompted a letter to the Times from the U.S. consul general in Lahore saying he would “welcome an influx of Americans” to Lahore. He cautioned only that in addition to getting a visa for Pakistan, American visitors also should be careful to line up an Indian visa for the return trip if they planned to travel overland. The letter is dated Aug. 23, 1981.

        Also, a travel advisory from the State Department dated Aug. 17, 1981 notes that Americans traveling to Pakistan require a 30-day visa, and that any staying longer must check in with Pakistan’s Foreigner Registration Office. A digital copy of the advisory is archived at the Electronic Research Collection, a partnership between the State Department and the Federal Depository Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

        State Department, and the US consul general said it’s ok as long as you have a VISA. what gives?

      3. Amazona

        “James” I have heard both sides of the claims regarding whether or not Americans were allowed to visit Pakistan at this time or were discouraged from doing so.

        As you seem to consider yourself an expert on the overall issue, please tell us—-did Obama go to Pakistan on an American passport? Under what name, and as a citizen of what country? If he went as a citizen of any of the nations to which he was entitled citizenship, other than U.S. when did he renounce this citizenship in favor of the U.S.? At what age would he have been expected to choose from among his choices for citizenship and declare for the U.S.? (Remember, at this time the U.S. did not allow dual or multiple citizenships.)

        Please do continue to educate us.

      4. Amazona

        Oh, while you’re at it, “James”, when did he legally change his name? Where can we find the paperwork on that? Or was it just a casual “I used to be this and now I’m that” kind of deal?

      5. James

        let’s do this point by point.

        As you seem to consider yourself an expert on the overall issue,

        you words, not mine.

        did Obama go to Pakistan on an American passport?

        probably, since he was a US citizen.

        Under what name, and as a citizen of what country?

        under Barack Obama, and obviously if he went with a US passport, he’d be a US citizen.

        If he went as a citizen of any of the nations to which he was entitled citizenship, other than U.S. when did he renounce this citizenship in favor of the U.S.?

        this is irrelevant since he went with a US passport, but even if he didn’t….there is a thing called dual citizenship. People can have let’s say a Dutch passport and a US passport. No legal problems there. You could have a President technically born in the US to Dutch parents who then later decides to get both passports. I know many colleagues who have dual citizenship and were born here.

        At what age would he have been expected to choose from among his choices for citizenship and declare for the U.S.?

        again, why can’t you or Obama have dual citizenship?

        (Remember, at this time the U.S. did not allow dual or multiple citizenships.)

        This is a lie. If you have certifiable evidence of this, present it. I will present this however.

        http://factcheck.org/2008/08/obamas-kenyan-citizenship/

        From the article, the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya’s Constitution specifies that at age 23, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.

        Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1984.

      6. Canadian Observer

        James @ 9:16 pm

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        Funny that when Amazona is presented with facts she cannot repudiate, James, she slithers away and crawls back under a rock. Not only is she a verbal bully but it appears she is a coward as well.

      7. neocon1

        jamestooge

        your question was did barry/barak or what ever alias he was using go to pakistan
        he surely did……you have NO proof or evidence of what passport or name he traveled under
        the rest is moot and maters not. yet you seem to want to re direct the focus on whether it was legal or not.
        alinsky101

      8. James

        neostupid,

        your question was did barry/barak or what ever alias he was using go to pakistan

        I asked if he went to Pakistan. You claimed it was FORBIDDEN for Americans to go to Pakistan at that time. that turned out to be a LIE.

        you have NO proof or evidence of what passport or name he traveled under

        and you do? He was born in the US, was an american citizen, and traveled to Pakistan…..hmmmm…take one guess as to which passport he must have used! DUH! his AMERICAN passport!

        the rest is moot and maters not. yet you seem to want to re direct the focus on whether it was legal or not.

        you said it was illegal to go to Pakistan at the time. not me. Nice try dodger and liar. come back when you’re not a conspiracy nut.

      9. neocon1

        jamestooge

        I merely provided an article that proved he went to paki, a different article claimed it was illegal at the time
        FACT = he went
        FACT NO one knows under what name he traveled under
        FACT NO one knows what passport he ever had.
        The illegal part MAY have been incorrect, if so BFD that was merely a sidebar.

      10. neocon1

        jamestooge……

        “But here’s what Daily Musings has to say about the situation in Pakistan in 1981.

        Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and ruled of martial law. Millions of Afghan refugees were living in Pakistan, while the Afghan Mujahedeen operated from bases inside Pakistan in their war with the Soviets. One of the leaders that based his operation in Quetta, Pakistan was Usama Bin Laden (The Sheik).

        Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.

        The would be only a few reasons a young Westerner of the Muslim faith would travel to Pakistan in 1981:

        To Participate in Jihad, which is the duty of every “True Believer”.

        For religious education in a Wahabbi sect, Saudi funded, Madrassa.

        In order to purchase drugs from the drug marketplace.

        Pakistan was not a tourist stop nor the place to hang out with someone’s family in 1981.”

      11. Amazona

        James James James, take it easy, take a breath, you’re getting overheated.

        Do you deny that Barack Obama lived for quite some time under the name Barry Soetoro? This is the first question. Of course he did, there are records that he did. So the second question is, when did he change his name to Barack Obama? The third is, was there a formal name change or was it just a casual “I used to be Barry and now I’m not” switch from one to the other?

        Now, none of this is worth you getting your panties in a twist. It happened, and there are legitimate questions about the nature and sequence of events.

        There have been reports that in 1961 the United States did not allow dual citizenship. I used to have a very nice detailed archive of laws and changes in those laws, but lacking the foresight to sign up for Carbonite I lost them when my hard drive crashed. But it’s not that big a deal, because under any U.S. law a minor child cannot make a decision on his or her citizenship, and no one else can make this decision either.

        U.S. law is very floppy and indistinct on whether or not a person has to make a formal statement of choosing American citizenship at the age of 21. Some sources say you have to, some say you should, some say it doesn’t matter because unless you make a formal statement renouncing your citizenship it stays with you no matter what. (To contribute to the vagueness of our laws on what should be a pretty important issue, that of citizenship, some sources say even if you do renounce it you can un-renounce it.)

        It’s pretty well established that while a minor, Barry Soetoro held dual citizenship. By being born in Hawaii, he held American citizenship. By being fathered by a British subject who later became a Kenyan citizen under Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution, he for a time also held UK citizenship and then Kenyan citizenship. There are arguments that by dint of being adopted by Lolo Soetoro he also acquired Indonesian citizenship.

        None of this matters all that much. According to some sources, Soetoro, as he was known then, should have declared at the age of 21 which citizenship he wanted to retain. But it is a moot point because at the age of 23 his Kenyan citizenship expired. The Kenyan Constitution required Soetoro/Obama to choose whether to keep either his U.S. or Kenyan citizenship upon his 21st birthday, which was in 1982. But the Constitution provided him a two-year window for making that choice. So Soetoro/Obama did not lose his Kenyan citizenship until his 23rd birthday in 1984.

        With me so far?

        Now, none of this tells us what country’s passport he used to travel to Pakistan when he was 21. There were reports that Obama, as he was known by then, got his first U.S. passport only after he became a Senator. Interestingly enough, much of the original information is no longer on the Internet. But it is blind assumption that he traveled, at the age of 21, to Pakistan on a U.S. passport, and it is foolish to claim he did without any proof that he did.

        Therefore, the question of what nation’s passport was used is a legitimate one, and shouldn’t get you so overheated. We know he was entitled to travel as a Kenyan citizen, and there is evidence he was entitled to an Indonesian passport as well.

        It won’t harm your hyper-emotional defense of Soetoro/Obama to just admit to the facts. You don’t have to make wild claims which you can’t back up. And I know you can’t back them up, because Obama, as he is known now, has refused to release his passport records.

      12. Amazona

        BTW, “Canadian” Observer, while you seem to love getting your bitch on, the simple fact is that I asked the questions and James produced what he seems to think are answers.

        No slinking, no crawling, no matter how desperately you wish you could pin that on me.

        I know perfectly well that now, at this time, it is OK to have dual citizenship. I have a friend with both South African and American citizenship (as well as British). The question is whether this was allowed in 1961. I have seen records that said it was not, and shrill assertions that it was don’t exactly prove my memory wrong.

        Why don’t you crawl out from under YOUR rock and provide the citations that say it was OK back then?

      13. Amazona

        “James” I know you love to squeal LIE !!!! to describe a mistake or even just something with which you disagree, so I take that into account when your bile exhibits itself.

        Here is a quote which may lead to a better understanding of the confusion surrounding the legality/acceptance of dual citizenship:

        Historically, the United States like virtually all other countries has frowned upon dual citizenship. However, citizenship is essentially a function of national laws, not international ones, and each country determines who may be one of its citizens. Conflicts of these laws have therefore always resulted in cases of dual citizenship, and the U.S. Government has recognized dual citizenship (at least in certain circumstances, typically for minor children) since at least 1875.

        This is why there have been several laws written about the need to declare allegiance upon reaching the age of 21.

        The issue is getting more attention now, what with the huge influx of immigrants who want to retain citizenship of their native countries and even participate in elections there, while enjoying the benefits of American citizenship as well. Perhaps we are ready to clarify the muddle of who is and who is not a citizen, a natural born citizen, and so on.

  3. raging bull

    i figured they would just blame sarah palin for this shooting. or rush limbaugh. or sean hannity. or mark levin.

    after all, the time-square bomber was probably someone who was upset with the health care bill, right?

    the tea party are nothing but terrorists, maybe most of them put hasan up to this.

    or we can just blame good ole, Christianity. wasn’t the norway shooter a right-wing Christian fundamentalist?

  4. Green Mountain Boy

    Susan Collins is critisizing this administration? One of the chief enablers of progressiveism that has a (r) behind her name is critical of this regime? You cooked your food and spoiled it. Eat it.

    1. Amazona

      Oh, give it a rest, Mr. Perfect and Pure. Yes, we all know that Collins is a RINO. Where have you been when we have talked about this?

      However, in her state she simply could not have won as a conservative, and there IS an advantage to having a body in place with an R after her name, rather than a registered Dem.

      We know she is not a conservative, never has been, never will be. So we have settled for half a loaf, which in this case has been the advantage of having that extra person listed as a Republican, giving us a tally of how many Republicans are in the Senate.

      You do realize the advantage of being the majority party in either house, don’t you? You do realize that this is based on how many of either party are elected to this house, don’t you?

      So you go off and sulk because we didn’t run a true conservative and lose the seat, and the rest of us will accept reality. You have repeatedly lectured us on the moral high ground of losing but holding to an impossible standard while doing so. Yeah, we get it. We just think you’re wrong. Yes, in a perfect world Collins and Snow and others would meet stringent conservative standards. But in the world we actually LIVE in, they are the best we could have done in those places at those times in those circumstances, and we are smart enough to recognize and appreciate the benefits of at least having them add to the R tally when heads are counted.

      You are such a pompous whiner. “Eat it” my donkey!

      1. Green Mountain Boy

        “pompous whiner”? LOL You can’t any better than that? Rinos like collins have been playing with fire for years and now she feels like she has been burned? LOL again. How much help has collins and her ilk given to get us to the point where islamic terrorism is now “workplace violence”?

        The food is rancid. It’s all you have. Eat it!!

  5. Green Mountain Boy

    Amazona, maybe you should research how much of the political correctness agenda mrs. collins has voted for. Maybe you could report back with your findings? Of course it is not mandatory but I do believe it would be interesting.

    The center can not now nor could it ever hold anything together. There are no centrist on donkeyrat camp. They all vote in lockstep with thier masters. The centrists are only in the repub camp. They keep drawing everyone else towards the left.

    But, as long as they have an (r) after thier name, you are happy to allow them to overseer the plantation? Not true?

    1. Cap'n Obvious

      OOh OOOh OOOh I got this one!

      According to the American Conservative Union – Susan Collins lifetime rating is 68%; the most conservative democrat is Ben Nelson with a rating of 48%!

      I can’t do anything about the way democrats vote in Congress, but I sure as hell can work to get the most conservative person elected, which is always the Republican.

    2. Amazona

      GMB, who would you have run from the GOP in the primary against Collins?

      What would this person have done against a Dem opponent?

      If Collins were to be defeated because of an insistence on political purity in a very liberal state where it is nearly a miracle to have ANY Republican win, would you think it worth it to lose a majority position in the Senate for the bragging rights of having stood on principle and losing to make a point?

      What simply does not penetrate your consciousness is that Collins was not chosen over a conservative, to run as a RINO. In her state, at that time, she was the best shot at a Republican victory.

      I never understand your narrow perspective of politics. For example you completely ignore the reality of the advantage of numerical superiority in either house of Congress. You seem ignorant of the advantages in committee selection, etc. that go with a majority position. You seem to attach way too much power to individuals and not enough to the process.

      I think politics is just way too complicated for you. You seem to think the president can dictate policy on things like abortion, clueless as to the power that is vested in state government, where states legislate to make abortion illegal or to limit it. You seem to think the president can force an amendment, but it has to come from the people (more state organization and power) or from Congress (elected at the state level). And so on.

      I didn’t elect Collins. I didn’t elect Snow. I have no responsibility whatsoever for the fact that they are in Congress. But I am glad they are. I am glad they add to the numerical tally of Republicans because I DO understand that Congressional power depends a lot on numerical superiority. If I could replace either of them with a conservative, I would. But I can’t. Neither of them is “drawing” anyone “to the left”. On the contrary, the contrast between them and conservatives is quite helpful and educational. Neither of them is “overseeing the plantation”. They are small cogs in a big wheel, and vote most of the time on the conservative side.

      This shrill hysteria regarding those who do not pass your rigid tests for acceptable conservatism is odd. It is also unrealistic. You reject any step forward if it is not a huge leap getting to the goal in one bound—-and you are pretty rigid about defining that goal.

      You remind me of my ex father in law. He was sure that of all the billions of people who had ever lived, the only ones who were or had been truly saved were those in his tiny religious community in Los Alamos, New Mexico. Only these few people had gotten, and understood, and accepted, The True Word.

      But if you talked to him for very long, it came out that he really thought that just he, and his girlfriend, Erline, really did get it.

      And just between him and me, he wasn’t all that sure about Erline.

      Enjoy the Moral High Ground of Absolute Conservative Purity. You can gaze down at us in the trenches, working at one problem at a time, concentrating on one step after another, marking progress without demanding instantaneous perfection.

    3. Amazona

      BTW, GMB, what is your beef with Collins on the matter of calling the Fort Hood massacre “workplace violence”?

      Here is what she said: “Sen. Susan Collins on Wednesday blasted the Defense Department for classifying the Fort Hood massacre as workplace violence and suggested political correctness is being placed above the security of the nation’s Armed Forces at home.

      How far “to the left” does this comment move America?

      Seems to me like Collins stepped up and said what had to be said, said it strongly, and said what MOST conservatives would agree with. What’s your take on that?

      1. Green Mountain Boy

        How much did she contribute to this political correctness? She wants to blame barky for this when she has to contributed to the atmosphere where this is possible.

        Pot paging kettle.

  6. Green Mountain Boy

    What progress have you been making? Any at all? What part of the communisation of the United States have you stopped? I won’t bothet asking what part you have reversed because there isn’t an example to provide.

    You need to work on your insults and anologys. They are not working and niether are your sock pupepets. Keep trying though.

    You let us all know how that army of castles, scazzafawzzas,collinss snowes, kirks, browns,grahms, et al work in the end.

    Comrade.

      1. Green Mountain Boy

        Why thank you ma’am. Your journey to the darkness is nearly complete.

        I still think you need to work on your insults. They just don’t have “the” ring to them. Keep trying :)

        Comrade!!!

        P.S. Do you want me to provide you my address, phone number, copies of all my legal documents, dd214, anything else you may want to aid in you in tracking me down.
        I would hate to think of all that effort you would have to put in just to start stalking me. :)

    1. Amazona

      BTW, GMB, what is your beef with Collins on the matter of calling the Fort Hood massacre “workplace violence”?

      Here is what she said: “Sen. Susan Collins on Wednesday blasted the Defense Department for classifying the Fort Hood massacre as workplace violence and suggested political correctness is being placed above the security of the nation’s Armed Forces at home.

      How far “to the left” does this comment move America?

      Seems to me like Collins stepped up and said what had to be said, said it strongly, and said what MOST conservatives would agree with. What’s your take on that?

  7. Green Mountain Boy

    I ask again, what part of the communisation of the United States has your stratagy been able stop. Put a hold on. Check. You choose the word. We all know there is no reversal possible but maybe you can provide an example of the communist agenda being stopped.

    I do not expect an answer. Well at least one that is not filled with personal attacks and insults anyway.

    1. Amazona

      Oh, get a hankie. You know as well as I do that for the vast majority of complacent Americans who make up our voting populace, the situation has to become critical for them to notice. The heat in the kettle has been turned up slowly, and the frog hardly noticed.

      Now it is too hot for comfort, now it will be easier to get the frog’s attention, and now there is a better chance of alerting the public and starting—-STARTING—-to reverse direction.

      You yourself have noticed that we didn’t get here overnight, yet you seem to think we ought to be able to fully correct the problem in one election. You seem to be saying we ought to get rid of people you don’t personally approve of even if they are not up for reelection. Let’s see how that works out, OK?

      If the “communist agenda” had been stopped, we would not be trying to figure out how to do it. I do not say that my “strategy” has done anything. I am one person. What I do say is that if I could wave a magic wand and fix everything all at once, I would. But since I can’t, I have to do it one or two steps at a time, and you are the one getting all snotty about that. You appear to be saying it has to be your way or no way and I find that foolish.

      You are refusing to answer my question about why you feel so strongly about how Collins handled the Fort Hood thing. Why is that? Is it because you took off on her without understanding what she really did say?

      I see no reason to argue with you on this—you have made your obstinate opposition to anything not 100000 percent to your personal liking quite clear. As your way is doomed to failure, all I can do is step away and let you flail away at your windmills.

    2. Amazona

      Your turn:

      BTW, GMB, what is your beef with Collins on the matter of calling the Fort Hood massacre “workplace violence”?

      Here is what she said: “Sen. Susan Collins on Wednesday blasted the Defense Department for classifying the Fort Hood massacre as workplace violence and suggested political correctness is being placed above the security of the nation’s Armed Forces at home.

      How far “to the left” does this comment move America?

      Seems to me like Collins stepped up and said what had to be said, said it strongly, and said what MOST conservatives would agree with. What’s your take on that?

    3. Green Mountain Boy

      I understood completely what mrs. collins said. I am wondering why she said it. She is the eptimone of the progressive repub. She is an enabler of this political correctness which allowed the terrorist to strike at Fort Hood.

      She is the pot calling the kettle black. She is just as guilty as barky or anyone in the DOD. I would not expect you to understand this though.

      What is your first step?

      And as far as I know I have not even said on this blog what “my way” is. Would you care to tell me what “my way” is.

      Flail away at windmills? LOL

      Are you sure you are a “former” liberal? lol

      1. Amazona

        Well, I guess if you are not driven by paranoia and overwhelming irrational hostility you might think Ms. Collins said what she said because it is what she thinks. The rest of your diatribe against her is just silly vitriol.

        You have been quite clear and verbose about your insistence that no one who fails to pass the GMB Political Purity Test should receive any support whatsoever from any conservative. We shouldn’t even dare to say anything nice about them, and God forbid anyone point out anything good they may have done. This brings down a cascade of complaints about the many thousands of things they have done which you feel mark them as failures.

        I will put my conservative credentials up against yours any day, Timmy, and am tired of your holier than thou pretensions to superior conservative values. You attack me personally not because my actual political values are different from yours, but because I am not so ridiculously stiffnecked that I can’t see any way but the one you have laid out.

        I think you just like to fight with people, and with your attitude I am sure you often get what you want. But your belligerence reminds me of the saying that it is foolish to fight with a pig: You can’t do it without getting as dirty as the pig is, but most of all because the pig likes it. You just thrive on squabbling and sniping and I find it tiresome.

  8. Green Mountain Boy

    On the contrary. I have said repeately that I would vote for Bachman and Paul and at least once for both Perry and and Santorum.

    And again your anology are not working. OINK!!!!!

    What is this need you have to call names of everyone you disagree with? Can you not handle having to defend your beliefs? I do not think you can handle any dissent at all. The very halmark of a liberal.

    Dasvidana Comrade. :)

  9. Green Mountain Boy

    “What a drama queen”

    I was being sarcastic. I will work on it though.

    What is your first step?

  10. Cluster

    I enjoyed the give and take with GMB and Amazona, and of course I find myself agreeing with Amazona again. While I am not a fan of Collins, you do have give her credit for standing up against the DoJ on this issue – what is so hard about that? She has been a RINO on a lot of other issues, but maybe she is the most conservative candidate electable in Maine, and I would rather have that than the alternative. That is of course unless GMB plans to go to Maine to set those people right – but I have a feeling that he is more comfortable lobbying complaints from his keyboard. GMB does take a naive, and infantile approach to politics – I have always liked the expression – “I don’t even agree with myself 100% of the time”, so to expect all conservatives to march in lockstep with GMB’s, or anyones vision of conservatism, is simply ridiculous.

    I ask again, what part of the communisation of the United States has your stratagy been able stop. Put a hold on. – GMB

    I want to remind you GMB that Newt Gingrich has actually accomplished more for the conservative agenda than any other candidate, with his Contract for America in 1994. Neither Palin, Paul, or Santorum have actually accomplished anything on the scale of what Newt did with welfare reform and balanced budgets, so if you actually want to try and get something done, than why not join the adult world, and join the battle, rather than waiting for the second coming of some mythical candidate.

      1. Amazona

        Evidently not if some of us are fair enough to acknowledge conservative efforts and victories by people who fail to fully meet the rigid and inflexible standards of one who has set himself up as the sole Arbiter of Conservatism.

      2. neocon1

        I think a military background and a veteran of a war tends to add to this way of thinking.
        There is only one way in the military, there is only one mission in front of you at a time.There is hardly any room for flexibility and independent thought outside the mission and standing orders.

        I know where GMB is coming from and I fully understand his line of thought.
        Many of my “buds” (not beer) have the same standards and line of thought, all of them veterans, many ex cops and firemen.

      3. Amazona

        Oh, I have the same standards of conservatism. I just don’t demand absolute unrelenting perfection (which I claim to be the one to define) in a candidate, realizing that while I am waiting for that flawless, never-been-wrong, always-thinking-just-like-me, ideal of Political Purity to come along, someone else can have gotten a lot done.

        I do not expect the problems of this country to be fixed by one election. I expect that we are stuck with some of them, or at least with some form of some of them, like Medicaid, because it’s hard to unring the bell.

        As for your military analogy, not many military actions are going succeed if the grunts are busy pissing and moaning because a specific mission is only a step toward the goal, and not immediately winning the whole damned war. Every single battle, every single mission, even those which do not succeed, builds toward the eventual victory, and a soldier/sailor/marine who doesn’t understand that is a liability.

  11. rickricky

    GO OBAMA FOUR MORE YEARS!!! WE ALSO NEED THE MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE AND HOUSE!!! VOTE DEMOCRAT OR GO HOME!!!

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