Save The Eagles?

Remember how it was oh so important to save eagles? It was so important that the mosquito killing chemical DDT was banned, and as a result, millions upon millions of human beings died from mosquito-borne illnesses. Nearly 30 years later, it would seem that eagles aren’t that important after all:

A controversial wind farm proposed near Red Wing plans to ask for federal permission to legally kill eagles, making it one of the first in the nation to participate in a new federal strategy aimed at managing the often-lethal conflict between birds and turbine blades.

U.S. Fish and Wildlife officials say they urged the developers of AWA Goodhue Wind to seek the new permit because the deaths of an unknown number of eagles and endangered golden eagles will be inevitable once the 50-turbine project is up and running.

The process for such “incidental take” permits was devised in 2009 as a compromise between the demand for clean energy from the growing number of wind farms and the rising concern over the estimated hundreds of thousands of birds and bats that they kill every year.

So, is it wrong to kill eagles? From an enviro-whacko perspective, it depends on who does the killing.

You see, it’s different when a lefty kills an eagle. Remember when DDT was banned because it was supposedly (never proven) making the egg shells of eagles too thin and brittle. As a result, literally 10s of MILLIONS of human beings died from mosquito borne illnesses– supposedly to save eagles. But it’s OK to kill a few eagles if it means that these monuments to stupidity and “green religion” are left intact.

Meanwhile, it was acceptable to kill tens of millions of human beings by banning DDT–to “save” eagles.

Ain’t it grand how liberal illogic works?

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37 thoughts on “Save The Eagles?

  1. Cluster

    Well we now know why Obama killed the keystone pipeline:

    Warren Buffett’s Burlington Northern Santa Fe LLC is among U.S. and Canadian railroads that stand to benefit from the Obama administration’s decision to reject TransCanada Corp. (TRP)’s Keystone XL oil pipeline permit.

    Warren has been a big help demonizing the rich, and a big campaign contributor, and probably got a little angry when Obama paid back some of his other contributors via Solyndra, so this is a nice little hand out to Buffett. After all Obama will need some more of Buffett;s money to win reelection, and continue his dismantling of America and enriching his buddies – not too mention a lot more golf. Affirmative action is the best!!!!

  2. Cluster

    This just in: That SUV you’re driving is killing the planet, and unless we tax wealthy nations and redistribute the wealth to less wealthy nations, and start riding bicycles, then Global Warming will kill us all. The following has nothing to do with it:

    The sun’s activity waxes and wanes on an 11-year cycle. Currently, our planet’s nearest star is in the midst of Solar Cycle 24, and activity is expected to ramp up toward solar maximum in 2013.

    So don’t get to thinking that our planets climate is effected by the only light and heat source in our universe. Let’s keep the focus where it belongs – on the eeeevil Koch Bros.!!

    http://www.space.com/14319-huge-solar-eruption-sparks-radiation-storm.html

    1. neocon1

      Gee ya think?
      cloward piven 101

      Soros Warns of ‘Riots,‘ ’Brutal’ Clampdowns & Possible Total Economic Collapse

      “The situation is about as serious and difficult as I’ve experienced in my career…”

      1. neocon1

        with 47% paying no federal taxes
        57% receiving some sort of entitlement
        30 million ILLEGAL peasants sucking up HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of OPM
        inner city plantations of dumbed down, indoctrinated racists, boiling with anger yet living off the OPM of those they hate.

        what possibly could happen?

      2. neocon1

        Leo

        turtle eggs, dont forget the turtle eggs.

        murder your baby in the womb, yet if you get within ten feet of the turtle eggs you can go to prison for a looong time.

    2. Amazona

      Though I understand that just a few hundred meters below the surface of the earth the temperatures are even hotter than the Sun.

      Algore said so, so you know it’s gotta be right.

      So drilling far deeper than that, for the petroleum products necessary to fuel those SUVs, must be releasing that heat into the atmosphere, which is why we need to ban drilling.

      This is far more reasonable as a reason for the Earth getting warmer every spring than proximity to a giant ball of fire.

  3. goldjake1788

    leo where is your source for 10 million people died because of mosquito disease? Malaria which is the most common mosquito disease hasn;t had a real outbreak in 20 years and is easily treatable and isn’t as deadly as it used to be. If you want to be dramatic please at least have a source

    1. goldjake1788

      ok there is a source but there have not been 10 million deaths in the US because of a ban- malaria is easily treatable now

      1. tiredoflibbs

        goldflake, so only US citizens are of a concern? The figure I believe represents world-wide deaths since the baseless ban of DDT – a ban to placate the environmentalists.

        There are third world nations in which malaria is not so easily treatable since they do not have the means to manufacture nor distribute the medicine as easily as you think.

        Why not eradicate the disease (which was almost done before the ban took place) rather than treat it?

      2. Amazona

        jake, please drop the RRL ploy of misstating what is said so you can argue with your invention instead. No one said “in the U.S.” and you know it.

        The request to be able to use DDT has not been to spray it in heavy concentrations willy-nilly, but to use a diluted solution and to PAINT it on INTERIOR walls of homes in malaria-prone areas.

        This would not result in it being introduced to waterways, etc.

        I have posted here before, about this murderous nonsense.

        If you think this policy is fine, at least have the courage to say so, instead of trying to deflect it to a ridiculous straw man.

  4. bagni

    hey matt leo
    you conveniently left this stuff out…….
    DDT and DDE, like other organochlorines, have been shown to have xenoestrogenic activity, meaning they are chemically similar enough to estrogens to trigger hormonal responses in animals. This endocrine disrupting activity has been observed in mice and rat toxicological studies, and available epidemiological evidence indicates that these effects may be occurring in humans as a result of DDT exposure. The US Environmental Protection Agency states that DDT exposure damages the reproductive system and reduces reproductive success. These effects may cause developmental and reproductive toxicity:
    A review article in The Lancet states, “research has shown that exposure to DDT at amounts that would be needed in malaria control might cause preterm birth and early weaning … toxicological evidence shows endocrine-disrupting properties; human data also indicate possible disruption in semen quality, menstruation, gestational length, and duration of lactation.”[23]
    Human epidemiological studies suggest that exposure is a risk factor for premature birth and low birth weight, and may harm a mother’s ability to breast feed.[55] Some 21st century researchers argue that these effects may increase infant deaths, offsetting any anti-malarial benefits.[56] A 2008 study, however, failed to confirm the association between exposure and difficulty breastfeeding.[57]
    Several recent studies demonstrate a link between in utero exposure to DDT or DDE and developmental neurotoxicity in humans. For example, a 2006 University of California, Berkeley study suggests that children exposed while in the womb have a greater chance of development problems,[58] and other studies have found that even low levels of DDT or DDE in umbilical cord serum at birth are associated with decreased attention at infancy[59] and decreased cognitive skills at 4 years of age.[60] Similarly, Mexican researchers have linked first trimester DDE exposure to retarded psychomotor development.[61]
    Other studies document decreases in semen quality among men with high exposures (generally from IRS).[62][63][64]
    Studies generally find that high blood DDT or DDE levels do not increase time to pregnancy (TTP.)[65] There is some evidence that the daughters of highly exposed women may have more difficulty getting pregnant (i.e. increased TTP).[66]
    DDT is associated with early pregnancy loss, a type of miscarriage. A prospective cohort study of Chinese textile workers found “a positive, monotonic, exposure-response association between preconception serum total DDT and the risk of subsequent early pregnancy losses.”[67] The median serum DDE level of study group was lower than that typically observed in women living in homes sprayed with DDT.[68]
    A Japanese study of congenital hypothyroidism concluded that in utero DDT exposure may affect thyroid hormone levels and “play an important role in the incidence and/or causation of cretinism.”[69] Other studies have also found the DDT or DDE interfere with proper thyroid function.[70][71]

    1. bardolf

      bagni

      The human body does not follow a linear response theory for organic compounds. That means that if an organic chemical is found below certain thresholds it will be washed away. If it were any other way most foods would be poisonous. Of course heavy metals are not organic and so a linear response theory is appropriate e.g. lead exposure.

      If mice and rats were given sugar in the amounts proportional to the DDT experiments they would go into insulin shock and die. We do not ban sugar.

      If one in a million children in Africa died as a result of DDT in the environment but one in a thousand died as a result of LACK of DDT in the environment a devil’s calculus would say to use DDT.

      Your examples are riddled with the words ‘may, might, linked to, suggest etc.” The pregnancy studies are the strangest logic of all. If a female dies of malaria she won’t be able to give birth at all. That completely outweighs a slightly increased risk of problems with a pregnancy.

      The ban on DDT has little to do with science and more to do with a mystery religion whereby the goal is to have a perfectly healthy body free of contaminants. Of course that doesn’t play well in Peoria so the ban on DDT looks to science as a proxy for “TRUTH” to do the heavy lifting.

  5. tiredoflibbs

    The two drones (ET and flake) that posted here show the liberal hysteria all too common in their “causes”.

    A hysteria based on emotion and ridiculous ideology with little scientific fact.

  6. Chrissy Ann

    There are other theories out there…if you take an Epidemiology class you might find out that maybe just maybe WHO is responsible for the increase in many diseases. After world wide vaccine injections it seems that those who had immunity to certain diseases came down with them. Could it be that natural immunity to HIV was triggered by WHO? Could it be that the ban on DDT is the root cause of the tremendous increase of Autism and ADD or is it fast food?

    We are seeing in the last decade that parents are rejecting vaccines for their children.

    We already know that wind farms kill birds. And if you want my opinion they can’t kill too many starlings for me. As far as eagles are concerned, they are a majestic bird but the liberals will soon hate them and use free ranging chickens as their symbol.

    1. neocon1

      At an aircraft hangar I used to work at we were NOT allowed to kill the pidgins, the “exterminator” fed them coen that made them sick so they would relocate.

      Ha, when there were no planes in the hangar we closed the doors went up on the walkways and shot them with BB guns………END of problem LOL

      (pre 9-11) after that NO BB guns.

    2. neocon1

      VIDEO: Muslim Football Players Violently Attack Christian, Give Him Concussion, then Cry “Raaacism!”

      By Debbie Schlussel

      Another Item to File Under: The Real “All-American Muslim.”

      I’ve been following this story–Muslim Arab football players from a Muslim “charter” school violently attacked a player from the opposing Christian school’s team and deliberately gave him a concussion–

      1. Amazona

        The bald eagle is no longer in danger of becoming extinct. On my former ranch in Wyoming, on one riverfront section alone we had from 12-25 bald eagles every year. We had babies every year, we had a large flock of adolescents whose head feathers were not yet white, and in the immediate area were dozens and dozens more. We used to call my stretch of the river “Eagleville”.

        I was privileged to be able to participate in the rescue of mature bald eagle who had been shot in a wing, and with the permission of a DOW agent performed a veterinary procedure, subcutaneous hydration, to keep her alive till the next day when I could transport her to a rehabilitation center. Believe me, handling one of these majestic and powerful birds is quite a thrill. I insisted that an agent hold the feet while I did my work, as the talons were really impressive. By the time I got her transported she was pretty convinced that my regular feedings of raw chicken were due to her training regime, which consisted of making very intense eye contact with me and then pecking the old chicken bones, repeated as she found necessary. I learned that while I didn’t have time to become fluent in Eagle, I did quickly learn the command for CHICKEN !!!!!

        (I had to do sub-cu after my response to a rehab person’s question “Can you give her an IV?” was “No” and the response to “Can you drop water into her beak every few minutes?” was “HELL no!”)

        The thread refers to golden eagles, which are far from being extinct and in fact have a very large and healthy population.

      2. neocon1

        Hmmmmmm

        CNN’s John King was correct to bring up Newt Gingrich’s divorce and his ex-wife’s comments about “open marriage.” Discussions of the candidates personal life are fair game to allow the public to fully understand the character of those that want to run in this next Presidential election.

        But Barack Obama’s prior Cocaine use MUST also be viewed as fair game for press inquiries, and the press should begin probing now. The public has not had this character flaw fully vetted due to the “Main Stream Media” fawning over Obama in the last election cycle. It is now time to have the press ask the following questions of Barack Obama so voters can fully understand this candidates background and character.

        - When was the last time Obama used cocaine and over what span of time did he use this illegal drug?

        - How often did he use it.

        - Did he purchase it or sell it and thereby commit a felony?

        - What other illegal substances has he used, when, and for what span of time? When was the last time?

      3. Amazona

        …Newt Gingrich’s divorce and his ex-wife’s CLAIM OF HIS DESIRE FOR an “open marriage.”

        Let’s be careful about picking up lies and distortions put out there, and making them part of our own narrative as well. This is called “semantic infiltration” and it is how unfounded terms like “abortion RIGHTS” become so accepted that even anti-abortion people use them.

    3. bardolf

      sorry but your post is just crazy

      1 . The World Health Organization is not tied to any disease increase.
      2. By definition if you are immune to a disease an immunization would not cause you to come down with it.
      3. There is no natural immunity to HIV except a genetic defect which doesn’t give a place for the virus to attack.
      4. ADD is mostly an invention of women who do not like certain behaviors of young males. It has nothing to do with DDT and everything to do with an entitlement mentality that boys are problems in class or at home if they question mindless directions.
      5. Autism exists but the increase is accompanied by a decrease in those classified as challenged, no new cases just a relabeling.
      6. Parents against vaccinations are anti-empirical kooks just like those against DDT in developing countries.

      1. Amazona

        …ADD is mostly an invention of women… or, much more true, of “mental health professionals” who need to justify their degrees, and the drug companies who profit from the “treatment” of the “condition”.

        It is also directly related to the fact that boys no longer work, and have to deal with energy levels that were once applied to milking cows, gathering eggs, mowing lawns, and doing general chores that now seem to be thought of as “child labor”, as well as to the fact that discipline and consequences for bad behavior have been eliminated, thanks again to those “mental health professionals”.

        Women don’t really have all that much time to invent bogus conditions, being so busy buying shoes and purses and all……

      2. bardolf

        @amazona. Women are much more likely to diagnose ADD in boys, possibly because school teachers e.g. are overwhelmingly female, but certainly it has to do with control. When I lived in Europe for a school year I was amazed at how they still let boys be boys in k-13, the same behavior that would get kids drugged in the US.

        @Chrissy

        I have been in epidemiology classes. You obviously never learned anything from sitting in on yours. DDT and HIV, just nuts.

  7. Ed Darrell

    At peak DDT use in 1959 and 1960, malaria infections numbered about 500 million a year, worldwide, and about 4 million people died from the disease.

    Today, malaria infections have been reduced by 50%, to about 250 million per year, and deaths annually number under 900,000.

    So malaria infections have dropped by half, and malaria deaths have dropped by three-quarters, since the U.S. banned the spraying of DDT on agricultural crops in 1972.

    If malaria continued to decline, where does that industry group get off saying more malaria occurred? Shouldn’t they tell the facts?
    http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ddt-chronicles-at-millard-fillmores-bathtub/

  8. Amazona

    Just curious….is there no way to discourage birds from flying in certain areas?

    I don’t know what might discourage an eagle, but I know when I stocked a fishing pond it immediately became party central for herons and pelicans. I paddled around the perimeter in my little boat and tied lengths of what is called “bird tape” to willow branches overhanging edges of the pond.

    This is extremely lightweight mylar tape, the same stuff birthday balloons are made of, and it floats on the tiniest breeze. It has a rainbow-like pattern on it, it is metallic so it is highly reflective, and it annoys and confuses birds because it is unpredictable and possibly threatening. It flutters, it sparkles, and they avoid it because they can’t figure out what it is.

    It is kind of pretty, not a bother to people using or looking at the pond, and once I put it up the predatory fishing birds stayed away. I wonder if tall poles with longer lengths of this fluttery tape might discourage other birds from flying near wind farms.

    I often drive past wind farms and find them fascinating and even pretty. The size of the vanes makes the speed of their travel quite deceptive, so they took like they are turning lazily in the breeze, and they’re neat to watch. I for one would not find it ugly to see tall poles with fluttering rainbow tape, which is really very visible except for the reflected light and color, around these wind farms.

    1. neocon1

      Ama

      Owls work wonders.
      for herons, use heron decoys around the perimeter they are very territorial birds, I have a Koi pond and they stay away because of a large heron decoy I deploy.

      1. Amazona

        Yeah, I bought a heron, too, and moved him every couple of days to make him seem more realistic, but I think the bird tape worked best because the heron got stuck in some shore weeds where I couldn’t get to it and stayed there the rest of the summer, hidden and probably not very effective (unless he came across as an Ambush Heron).

        But talking about eagles, I doubt that an eagle would be run off by an owl or a heron.

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