Obama is Wrong, He Could Bring Gas Prices Down If He Wanted To

So, Obama’s response to Republican candidates promising cheaper gas is absolving himself of any responsibility for the current high prices.

As [Barack Obama] traveled to the battleground state of Florida, Obama outlined his “all  of the above” approach aimed at boosting and diversifying domestic energy  production. He also made clear that as energy prices rise, there isn’t much he  or his administration can do to cut them.

“Now, some politicians always see this as a political  opportunity. You’re shocked, I know. Last week, the lede of one news story said, ‘Gasoline prices are on the rise, and Republicans are licking their chops.’ That’s a quote, that was the lede,” Obama said, quoting the first line from a  POLITICO story published last week.

“Because it’s an election year, they’re already dusting off their plan for $2  gas,” Obama said, and it’s a three-point plan to keep drilling. But “the  American people aren’t stupid … that’s a bumper sticker, it’s not a strategy to  solve our energy challenges.”

Correct, the American people aren’t stupid. They know that a president can’t sign an executive order to make gas prices lower. That said, Obama and the American people know there is plenty a president can do to bring gas prices down.

Let’s look at the facts.

1) Obama has already tried to bring gas prices down. Last year Obama tapped into the Strategic Petroleum Reserves. If he felt totally powerless to impact gas prices, he wouldn’t have bothered. That said, tapping the reserves was not even a great approach to bringing prices down.

Quite frankly, it was a dumb idea.

2) President Bush brought $4+/gal gas down to roughly $1.60/gal in 2008. You don’t have to take my word for that either. Look at this chart.

Now you might ask, “Why did gas prices plummet in the second half of 2008?” The answer is simple. President Bush lifted the offshore drilling ban in mid July. Without any new drilling, that act resonated with other oil producing countries, and our gas prices went down sharply.

3) When Obama banned offshore drilling, prices started back up even faster. Yup, soon after Obama banned drilling in Atlantic waters, gas prices went up even faster. There ought to be at least one White Intern who could figure that out.

Now, the real question here is “Why is Obama not doing anything about high gas prices?” Clearly, he has the power to impact prices. President Bush successfully did it. Obama, however, ignores his options, or refuses them. So, what gives? I have two theories. Either this has to do with benefiting his friends his the green energy business, or he’s waiting until closer to the election to quietly get gas prices moving sharply down in order to get as much political advantage out of it.

The question is, how much higher will gas prices get before you can no longer afford to drive? Gas prices impact the prices of many things, and filling up your tank won’t be your only problem. Food and commodity prices will go up even more. Gas prices, if they get much higher, will most likely bring about a double dip recession.

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85 thoughts on “Obama is Wrong, He Could Bring Gas Prices Down If He Wanted To

  1. RetiredSpook

    Now you might ask, “Why did gas prices plummet in the second half of 2008?”

    The second part of that question is, “why did gas prices start to rise again immediately after Obama won the 2008 election?” The answer involves one of the few campaign promises that Obama actually kept, that under his energy policy, the cost of energy would “necessarily skyrocket”.

      1. RetiredSpook

        My bad, I went to post the video, and it turns out he said “electricity rates” would necessarily skyrocket. We don’t need to worry about putting gas in our cars.

      2. Green Mountain Boy

        This quote should work though Spook. Not directly from barky but one of his own. Sec of Energy? Steven Chu.

        “Somehow,” Chu said, “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”

        High gas prices are a feature of the barky admin, not a bug.

      3. RetiredSpook

        High gas prices are a feature of the barky admin, not a bug.

        GMB, imagine what he could do in a second term. We’ll all be driving wind and solar-powered cars — or bicycles — or skateboards.

  2. Jonathan Swift

    Holy crap you guys are delusional. Do you know why gas prices plummeted in 2008? Did you bother to check up on what else was happening at the same time? I’ll give you a hint: it involved a gigantic financial crisis. During that time, the entire commodity market crashed along with the stock market at large. The rest of the commodity market has also been growing at the same (or often an even larger) rate than gas prices since then. Attributing the price change directly to either Bush’s efforts or Obama’s general economic policy is called “lying”.

    Unless you want to try to make the claim that lifting the offshore drilling ban also caused copper prices to plummet? I sure do love me some drilling in the ocean for copper!

    1. RetiredSpook

      Talk about delusional, Swifty. By your logic, the economy must have begun recovering in mid-November, 2008 because the price of gasoline began climbing at that point and hasn’t stopped climbing since.

      1. Count d'Haricots

        Well, JR, remember that by March 2008 Bear Sterns had already collapsed, however you are absolutely correct about the economy; the markets hadn’t realized the danger until much later. The Dow hovered around 11..5+k until September and began the collapse after that, about the time oil prices stabilized.

        China and India were still placing big demands but cutting back somewhat; the price of crude fell from $140 to under $50/bbl after the Bush Announcement in July 2008 in spite of OPEC’s efforts to stabilize the price.

        The Obama sycophants have long blamed Bush for every misstep Obama has made, yet the Evil Genius that causes high unemployment three years after leaving office was incapable of affecting anything during his own administration.

      2. Jonathan Swift

        Guys, it really isn’t that hard to look up.

        http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/

        Amazingly, all of commodity graphs look remarkably similar to the one Matt posted. There’s some dissimilarity between November 08 until about February of 09 as some commodities went up a little, some continued down a little, and some bounced back and forth, but if you look at longer term trends, there is a ton of agreement.

        Unless you can explain why offshore drilling would have anything to do with all of the commodities that don’t come from wells in the ocean floor, what you are saying does not make sense.

      3. bardolf

        Spook

        Do you believe that most of the price for oil is determined via simple reasoning of how much can be pumped out of the ground(supply) cheaply vs. amount needed as inputs to machines?

        It seems speculation, driven by the confrontation with Iran, people wanting to make a fast buck or whatever are more fundamental than how much you drive your car vs. how much the Canadians want for their oil.

      4. Count d'Haricots

        Right ‘dolf, the price of oil is determined supply and demand; so simple, so elegant, so sophomoric. I mean it’s not like there are multiple governmental restrictions on the market, or cabals of price fixing, or George Soros, or Euro-weinies or Asian hoarding in the equation

        You did have one salient point; when you wrote “or whatever” pretty much sums up your understanding of the situation. Now sit down before you hurt yourself.

      5. bardolf

        Count

        If you knew more than me about the what is driving oil prices you’d be invested in oil derivatives and wouldn’t have to spend your days as a psychic accountant.

        All you can do is vomit up some econ talking points from Jim Cramer or CNBC. Admitting that the price has little to do with supply and demand is an admission that Bush’s lifting of the ban was independent of the drop in oil prices. Of course Swift’s post showing commodity prices like copper in general dropped at the same time would end a fact based discussion, but then we couldn’t hear your learned droppings on B4V.

        Still watching the predictions that any of the GOP candidates would destroy Obama. Intrade has him at 60%.

      6. RetiredSpook

        Spook, Do you believe that most of the price for oil is determined via simple reasoning of how much can be pumped out of the ground(supply) cheaply vs. amount needed as inputs to machines?

        Bardolf,

        Here’s a NRO article from the summer of 2008, (reprinted by CBS News in September, 2009) that offers a pretty good perspective on the oil situation in 2007/2008.

        After trading at a record high of $147 a barrel Friday, the price of oil saw its largest one-day drop since the 2003 beginning of the Iraq war on Tuesday, falling $6.44 a barrel. Wednesday, it fell another $3.71, to $135.03, and at one point was trading as low as $132.

        So what happened? As is usually the case with markets, a variety of factors caused this dramatic drop. According to the Associated Press, the Energy Information Administration announced that U.S. crude-oil supplies rose by 3 million barrels; beleaguered banks have been selling off valuable energy contracts to pay for other debts; and there’s even some speculation that computer programs used by Wall Street may create a “cascading effect” once prices start to drop.

        But bizarrely, the AP didn’t mention that on Monday – again, the day of the single biggest one-day drop in oil prices in five years – President Bush removed the executive order imposing a moratorium on offshore drilling in the United States.

        To think that this dramatic and unexpected move by the Bush administration didn’t have a significant effect on oil prices is folly. Even Democrats admit that relatively small margins in oil production could have a huge impact on prices.

        “If they [Saudi Arabia] produced half a million barrels more oil a day the price would come down a very significant amount and, at the same time, it would stop the speculation that keeps driving up the price of oil,” Sen. Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.) said on the Senate floor Wednesday.

      7. tiredoflibbs

        It is all about the CONFIDENCE in the FUTURE of the supply of oil and gasoline.

        Opening up new supplies/areas for drilling gives more confidence to the future supply of oil and gasoline than does exploiting ALGAE as a POTENTIAL for organic diesel, which, mind you, does not work in a gasoline engine.

        The Democrats and their useful idiot drones can’t understand such details when emotion is the prime mover for their illogic.

      8. Ricorun

        If I may, I would like to clarify The Count’s statement about “supply and demand” to include the futures market, because it’s hugely important to understanding what’s going on now.

      9. Count d'Haricots

        ‘dolf,

        Oil derivatives?

        Do you even know what a derivative is? I’ve told you before so this time write it down; I am an accountant, but that’s not what I do at the University.

        Admitting that the price has little to do with supply and demand is an admission that Bush’s lifting of the ban was independent of the drop in oil prices.

        Do you ever read before you hit “Post Comment”? That is singularly the most inept attempt to be part of this conversation since kblack77 tried to claim that the US Marines committed atrocities on the civilian population in the Philippines during WWII. Which part of supply and demand was affected by the lifting of the Clinton moratorium? Did supply increase that Tuesday morning? Or did demand suddenly drop by sunrise? Dope.

        If you can’t keep up, take notes.

    2. Diane Valencen, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H [Journ.], ArF J., M.F.

      Mr Swift don’t waste your time you are dealing with people who have already made up their minds that Obama is evil. Petty things like the second largest economic crisis in 100 years need not be considered.

      1. turnabout

        Mr Swift don’t waste your time you are dealing with people who have to project their own hyper-emotional basis for everything onto others which lets them claim that those others “hate” or object to people or events because they think they are “evil”. Petty things like rational thought, objective analysis and unemotional commitment to unemotional ideology need not, for these people, be considered.

      2. Brian Bailey

        I think it’s funny that people are so up in arms about all this.
        The president said before he was elected under my energy plan prices would necessarily rise. If you voted for him you voted for higher energy prices across the board. Period. Enjoy the prices this administration will do nothing to help calm the markets and cause the price of gasoline to decrease now or in the future. He wants to abolish the current energy structure and rely on far more expensive and less reliable ways(currently) to provide energy to Americans.

  3. RetiredSpook

    OT, but in the “Greek Bailout” thread a couple days ago, our ol’ buddy, James, ridiculed me for comparing Greece’s debt crisis to the U.S., something I didn’t do other than to state that it appeared the EU was using Obama’s playbook insofar as screwing the private bondholders into taking a 50% haircut. Well, based on a new chart just released by Senator Jeff Sessions, our debt per capita is worse than Greece’s.

    1. RetiredSpook

      GMB, it appears Swifty was just a drive-by, sort of like when a pigeon flies over your car and deposits a splat on your windshield.

      1. Green Mountain Boy

        Since you have the inside scoop there I ‘ll believe ya. Sure did sound like our friend from Iran/Norway/Germany/Houston/Austin/Durham
        or wherever. :P

      2. RetiredSpook

        I sure do love me some drilling in the ocean for copper!

        Sounds more like Bubba from Birmingham to me, GMB.

      3. neocon1

        Obama Says
        Republicans Are ‘Licking Their Chops’ Over High Gas Prices

        this mofo is as delusional,as he is dangerous.

      4. Green Mountain Boy

        Bubba from Birmingham must have been before my time. Any chance the comments that didnt make the move will ever be available again?

      5. RetiredSpook

        GMB,

        Bubba from Birmingham is just a name I made up to reflect the hayseed nature of his comment, sort of like John F’ing Kerry trying to appear like a regular Joe on the campaign trail in 2004 when he went into a sporting goods store and asked, “kin I git me a huntin’ license?”. I have no idea if old comments will ever be available through the archives.

  4. Count d'Haricots

    Hmmm, let me think, the price of crude goes up because the market panics over a possible interruption in Iranian crude and speculators believe a supply problem with Europe may result.

    I wonder what an enterprising young President might do about a situation like that; certainly not allay fears by offering new channels of production and distribution, it’s not like that has ever worked before.

    Maybe a president with a real understanding of macroeconomics could signal a willingness to supplement supplies while new avenues find their way to market; open existing fields and settle long-term speculative jitters.

    Since Asia is buying up West African Crude like its oxygen and they’re suffocating, opening an avenue to Canadian through the US instead of China will set Europe at ease.

    Nah! We should toss a few billion $ more down the “Green Rat-hole instead.

    Swiffy, remove the energy commodities from that chart hamburger-brain. Doesn’t fit your meme anymore does it?

    Amateurs!

    1. Jonathan Swift

      I don’t get how removing energy commodities from the chart does anything to alter my point. Nearly all commodity prices plummeted during the same time frame we’re talking about here, not just energy.

      While I’m at it, why doesn’t Bush also get credit for the fact that fuel prices were at an all time high in the Summer of 08? Even if you want to give him a gold star for driving down gas prices during the economic downturn, how much is it worth when they were still higher at the bottom of the trough than they were when Bush took office? If Obama is foolish for letting gas prices climb to their current levels, what does that mean for the previous president when he let gas prices get even higher?

      1. Count d'Haricots

        First off Swiffy, many conditions occur driving prices up, when President Bush took action it was the result of a spike, that action was instrumental in beginning a cascading effect on the energy prices that, once started brought down all prices related to the cost of energy.

        The point here is that the President cannot prevent panic markets, but he can deal with them and reverse the trend; Obama has exacerbated rather than control.

        Remove “energy” and Commodity Price Index (as Energy is the richest portion it distorts the overall picture). Because oil is traded in “Dollars” as the price of oil fluctuates the value of the dollar and its ability to purchase follows; Food and agricultural did not spike and followed the drop by a significant time period after the oil drop while the markets were all trending down. Metals were driven by precious metals (gold, silver, platinum) which increased in value as the market and dollar dropped petrodollars while ag and food price returned to inflation adjusted equilibrium.

        Now look at the end of the commodities graph; energy (oil) spiking while metals, ag and food are dropping.

        Can you hear me now?

      2. Count d'Haricots

        Oh yeah, crude oil sold for $15.25 when Clinton took office and $32.94 when he left. a 216% increase ~

        Crude oil sold for $28.66 when Bush took office and $32.94 when he left. A 14% increase. gas $1.35 at the start $1.89 at the end.

        $32.94 when Obama took office and $105 now. What will it be when Obama leaves office (finally) in January 2013? 318% increase! Gasoline $1.89 at the start, a scant 3 years later $4.00/gal and climbing.

      3. RetiredSpook

        OK, Swifty — earlier I was engaged in a little bit of jerking your chain. It’s always fun to portray Obama as inept compared to George Bush, and it’s getting easier and easier to do.

        The Oil shock of 2007/2008 was, of course, not as simplistic as Bush lifting the off-shore drilling moratorium and having the price drop. The rapid spike in the price in late 2007 and the first half of 2008 was largely a global phenomenon due to a peak in global economic activity. The subsequent plunge in the last half of 2008 was primarily due to a couple factors: (1) Bush altering a policy that appeared, at least, to open the door for increased supply, and (2) rapidly decreasing demand, caused in part by a slowdown in economic activity coupled with the fact that, at least in the U.S., people quit driving. Miles driven by Americans from the fall of 2007 to the fall of 2008 dropped by 100,000 billion (yes, billion with a “b”) compared to the prior 12 month period, and almost all of that decline was prior to the financial collapse. In fact, many, if not most economists viewed the rise in gasoline prices as the trigger for the housing collapse and subsequent financial meltdown.

      4. Jonathan Swift

        I don’t think the data bears out what you are saying. For instance, commodity food prices did bubble up prior to the crash, and did crash significantly with the downturn. Yes, the dollar got stronger at the same time, but:

        A) It did not gain nearly enough to account for the drop in commodity prices. Even the most stable sector, agricultural raw materials, dropped by more than 31% while the dollar strengthened only by about 15-20%.

        B) The whole direct commodity to dollar relation is a fallacy in the first place. Commodities are traded globally, and they fell even if you measure them via other currencies at the time.

        C) The end of 2008 isn’t even the strongest the dollar has been in the past several years. It was stronger the Summer of 2010. If there is a correlation, why did commodity prices not plummet then?

        D) Commodity metal prices were actually, as a general rule, hit as hard or harder than oil prices. The aggregate figure is padded because the precious metals you listed went up during the same time period because they are seen as safe haven investments. People tended to either put their money into precious metals or keep it liquid while the markets were unstable, which is the reason for rising precious metal prices and the real reason for the strength of the dollar at the end of 2008, not oil prices.

        I also question the assertion that there was a lag between any commodity’s price crashing and energy doing so. Commodity food prices peaked out before energy did, and no broad commodity market started its drop later than that July.

      5. Count d'Haricots

        Fascinating, leave for a few days and everyone gets to ignore the actual evidence and decide the trading markets are determined by evil spirits or som FM. Okay … I’ll play along.

        A) Ag had no “bubble” and price speculation (commodities market) is determined by the price of goods in the market; petrol affects that price, the items within Ag not as dependent on petrol speculation had no rise, no fall and were stable until much later. Those items dependent on petrol, plywood, rubber, hides followed the petrol market. Look at cotton then at wood.

        B) Commodities are traded globally, Really? Quelle surprise, and here I thought the dollar was traded globally, too.

        C) Which commodities? Some did “plummet” in the summer of 2010, and some have not recovered. Try looking below the broader markets where investors actually invest.

        D) Commodity metals aren’t traded as a “general rule” they are traded based on individual characteristics; during the time in question the highest value metals gold, silver platinum continued upward while metals (the bulk) began a downward slope in April based on criteria not related to the crude question. The “aggregate” was distorted by the crossing paths of the individual items.

        E) Baloney; the “broader” markets that experienced a drop began in March and April while crude and other energies were rising. By the synchronicity theory, all of the markets would have dropped beginning in October 2007 and gone into freefall in October 2008 since it is your contention that the price drop in energy had nothing to do with the Bush action but was a by-product of the economic conditions in the “summer of 2008”. But, that’s not what happened at all, is it?

        Since you gave no reasons for the appearance of similarities in the commodities I’m curious if what you believe caused oil prices to drop in 2008?

  5. Green Mountain Boy

    Ok here. Lets see if we have this understood here. In 08 the price of gas went sky high and its Dubya and the Big Oils boys fault. 12 comes along and gas is sky high again but theres nothing barky can do about it?

    Looking forward to filling up my tank with algae. How about you?

    1. Count d'Haricots

      “Barky” can’t fight the ghost of George W. Bush! He’s been battling the specter of the long passed W for three years now-he’s HELPLESS, just ask him.

      Wait, GWB is still alive? Crap, there goes his ghost in the machine theory

    2. tiredoflibbs

      The liberals give us the excuse that drilling new sources won’t have an immediate affect. It will take a decade to benefit from any new drilling.

      How long will it take for obAMATEUR’s new green energy schemes to research, finalize, mass produce and distribute? and will it be usuable in today’s vehicles?

      1. RetiredSpook

        How long will it take for obAMATEUR’s new green energy schemes to research, finalize, mass produce and distribute?

        A lot longer than 10 years. The proposal to drill in ANWR was first broached in Congress in 1988, and the liberal argument against it back then was that it would be a decade before it yielded any oil. That is, and has always been their MO on things that they’re against. An honest MSM would have called them on it in 1998. In 2006 Al Gore said we only had 10 years left before catastrophic global warming would push the planet past the point of no return. Do you think the media will call him on it in 2016?

  6. Green Mountain Boy

    What will oil cost per barrel after the next quantitve easing the next round of counterfieting our own money?

      1. Green Mountain Boy

        Don’t go dissing benny. He has got some printin to do before Saturday night gets here. :P

  7. Green Mountain Boy

    Just think of these high gas prices as our payment of the “privledge” for being American citizens. I do have a lot more to say about this subject but there is someone unrolling a few hundred feet of extension cords from the highway walking towards my house.

    Hope they don’t expect to charge thier Volt brick for free.

  8. Cluster

    Not much liberal defense here for Obama with the exception of that non liberal barstool, who always seems to have some rational, no matter how illogical. The president doesn’t have much direct influence on prices but he has plenty of indirect influence by displaying a willingness to increase domestic reserves and global supply through our own efforts, of which he is unwilling to do. When bush lifted the moratorium it gave speculators reason for pause and displayed a willingness to increase global supplies, which resulted in prices dropping. The world is well aware of how weak minded and weak willed Obama is and the global markets are certain Obama will not do one thing to anger his Eco base, nor does he have a willingness to bring prices down. Obama himself has said that high energy prices are a thing of the future.

  9. Cluster

    Yesterday Obama called Karzai to apologize and told him the Korans were “unintentionally mishandled” – of which I thought was the perfect definition for Obama’s entire presidency.

  10. Cluster

    According to the NYT, American spies see no evidence of Iranian nuclear bombs which will be the case right up until they do see Iranian bombs which will then be met with the headline – “unexpected”

  11. greg-o

    If green algae is the fuel of the future, why then does Øbama want to reduce CO2 emissions? Doesn’t he realize that green algae needs all the CO2 that it can get? And yes, to use the energy luddites own argument against them, it will take much longer than 10 years to bring this fuel to market, especially in a wide enough distribution that would make an impact.

  12. RetiredSpook

    We’re actually in somewhat of a catch 22 situation WRT transportation fuel. If we were to dedicate ourselves, for example, to a major shift to, say, compressed natural gas or bio-diesel, the price of oil would plummet, making it attractive to stay on petroleum-based fuels — until the NEXT TIME the price spiked. CNG still makes the most sense to me, as it could be marketed through the existing petro-gas and diesel distribution system, and existing vehicles can be converted to run on it. It’s efficient and cleaner burning than petro-based gas or diesel. And it’s pretty widely recognized that we’re the Saudia Arabia of natural gas, but it will take a resolute leader at the national level to say we, as a nation, ARE GOING TO DO THIS — an Apollo Program for energy independence, as it were. Does anyone, ANYONE here think that leader is Barack Obama?

    1. neocon1

      drudge

      ahhhhhh the Fn wonderful “religion” of pieces

      5th day of Koran-burning protests…
      Islamists rampage British WWII cemetery in Libya…
      Mobs charge US bases…
      Taliban: Kill foreigners…
      Pentagon Official Apologizes at VA Mosque…
      Obama ‘deeply regrets’…
      Gingrich: Obama ‘surrendered’ with apology…

      1. Green Mountain Boy

        I hope the mullahs are ready to get wiped themselves. Ah but as soon as it is appaarent that they will get smacked by the Jews they will call on mamma USeless Nations for help and barky will answer it.

        Never ending story.

      2. neocon1

        GMB

        yeah I witnessed the vaunted republican guard surrendering by the hundreds to camera man.
        muslems are real tough with hidden bombs against women and children.

        I thought ole quakdaffy was going to turn the whole arabian sea red with the blood of the infadels?

        seems he, sadam HUSSEIN, and binlaiden are all clinking glasses with mao and hitler in hell.

        ENJOY it boys you earned it!

  13. Ricorun

    I can’t offer a substantive, thoughtful comment, so, at least until this insubstantial, Innocuous comment is removed, let me suggest that y’all are missing the point — by orders of magnitude — which IS the point.

  14. turnabout

    High fuel prices add to the cost of EVERYTHING! How you get to work, how your food gets to the store, how everything gets everywhere.

    1. RetiredSpook

      Tell me about it. My shipping costs as a percentage of total revenue have more than doubled since 2008.

      1. neocon1

        my gas bill was over $800.00 last month up from an average of $225.00
        and we are selling R-22 for $60.00 a lb.

    2. turnabout

      Next question—-are high fuel prices an accident?
      If fuel prices are affected by speculators then wouldn’t a safe secure predictable domestic supply bring down speculator prices?
      But what do we have? ANWR off limits. Offshore drilling cut way back. Game playing with federal oil leases—sell a lease, maybe let a little production take place to be able to claim the government is not stopping production, then dump a load of regulations on the drillers that have to be met before drilling can continue. Game playing with the pipeline, approving it then backing off and saying any change means going back to square 1 and starting over. Giving the EPA unlimited power to say anything is pollution and unlimited power to do what they want to “fix” it. EPA loses a lawsuit they just file another one, using taxpayer dollars to block production. Efforts to limit production by limiting or banning extraction techniques like hydraulic fracturing. Objections to new refineries.
      Can’t drill, can’t extract, can’t refine, can’t transport, all thanks to Uncle Sam.
      And an administration with officials who admit they want ways to make gas prices higher.

      1. Amazona

        Oh, now, neo, according to dolf, we should ignore Cloward and Pivens because one of them is dead and one is old and that means—-well, I never did figure out what it was supposed to mean but he got pretty wound up one time when the Cloward-Pivens strategy was mentioned and death and age were all tied up in it somehow.

        You know dolf—it’s always such a muddle…..

  15. neocon1

    Obama Plays Race Card, Calls on Churches to Support Campaign

    Imagine if Paul campaign launched ‘Whites for Ron Paul’

    Paul Joseph Watson
    Friday, February 24, 2012

    Imagine if Ron Paul announced a national campaign called ‘Whites for Ron Paul’ – he’d be vilified as a racist. And yet Barack Obama has done the equivalent of precisely that with his launch of ‘African Americans for Obama’.

  16. dbschmidt

    Among everything else

    The Obama administration, in its zeal to blame everything on somebody else, refers to the 2009 budget deficit as the deficit he “inherited.” Approximately $1.3 trillion dollars. What is never mentioned is that the 2009 budget was a Democrat document (Reid and Pelosi) and that it was never signed by George W. Bush because it was never presented to him for signature. Reid and Pelosi passed continuing resolutions until Bush was out of the White House and then the 2009 budget was signed by none other than Barack H. Obama.

    The last budget G.W. Bush signed, the first budget of the Reid/Pelosi control of Congress ran a $641 billion dollar deficit. Prior to Reid/Pelosi, budget deficits were actually going down. The 2007 budget deficit (pre-Pelosi) was $162 billion.

    What the Democrats actually “inherited” was a $162 billion deficit, which they then ran up until we arrived at deficits of over a trillion dollars annually. Keep in mind, our man Barack Obama was in the Senate as part of the majority when the deficit went from $162 billion to $641 billion, and when the 2009 budget with a deficit of $1.3 trillion was NOT presented to Pres. Bush to sign, and he signed it himself. Now, he blames the whole thing on Bush.

    1. RetiredSpook

      DB,

      Excellent point, and one that has been made numerous times before. the Lefties continue to ignore it, but none, to the best of my knowledge, has ever refuted it.

      1. hesindnile

        You kinda left out the $4 trillion deficit from the two wars that were never included. Also, you kinda left out the costs of Part D of Medicate that was not funded and NCLB that was never funded. I can see how you forgot the two wars. You don’t like to be reminded that there were costs that were not included in any of the budgets. You also kinds forgot what the Bush tax breaks cost the this nation. Talk about ignoring facts – way to go Spook and db.

      2. tiredoflibbs

        Shesindnile (sunny/velma) again with the debunked talking points?

        Countless times we have shown your talking points to be lies. Yet, you scurry away from answering those challenges only to reappear again in another thread (and now a different name) to regurgitate the same dumbed down talking points again and again.

        FACT: obAMATEUR has already outspent GWB in less than half the time. But we know you will regurgitate the same old debunked crap as before.

        It is really getting old. Go to the dailyKOS and you can spew all the crap you want and not be challenged.

      3. Amazona

        Velma has no shame, and no sense of personal dignity. Velma is just a vaguely humanoid sack of vitriol, vicious and vile to the core, whose only pleasure in life is the mindless regurgitation of hate-based lies.

        Not to mention being as dumb as a box of hammers—the difference being that hammers, at least, have some use.

      4. hesindnile

        Amazona, your life must be so desperately and unbelievably empty considering your apparent need to put down everyone who has a different point of view. Any person who has to constantly degrade others often has a very low self-esteem and negative opinion of themselves, so degrading others is how they justify their own existence. I almost feel sorry for you – why you have to constantly call others names and write your ugly rants. I do hope it makes you feel superior. And you are so wrong, I do have personal dignity which apparently you lack when you believe it necessary to communicate through this very dark and troubling abyss you project in your writings. Get some counseling. Find out why you believe it necessary to slam and degrade those with whom you disagree. Seriously, get out and get some fresh air and let the sun shine on your face. Smile. Say something nice to another person. You might be amazed how good you will feel.

      5. Amazona

        Oh wahh wahhh wahhh wahhh wahhh. You constantly post vicious lies and now you are unhappy about being called on it.

        People who lie are liars. People who wallow in misery and try to spread it are miserable. You are a miserable creature who is a liar and all the whining and name calling you can invent do not change that. Your pious posturing as a decent human being fools no one.

        I have no problem with people who disagree with me but I do expect that disagreement to be based on something other than lies, vitriol, and ignorance. When I challenge you and your kind to back up your claims all you ever do is lie some more, spread some more hate, and pretend that the people who notice your absence of dignity and honor are the ones who have the problem.

        You fool no one.

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