Santorum Drops Out

Blogging from my phone here, so I can’t speak much yet, but please discuss the latest development in the primary.

UPDATE, by Mark Noonan:  CBS has the story.  Santorum was my guy from back when he was polling 0.005% in the Iowa polls.  I never thought he’d get as far as he did and he remains, in my view, the best possible person we could have picked in 2012.  But, such is not to be – congratulations to Mitt Romney for a superbly run primary campaign and I look forward to enthusiastically supporting Romney for the rest of the campaign.   Obama is doomed and America will be rescued.

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204 thoughts on “Santorum Drops Out

    1. Retired Spook

      Cluster, from the Newsbusters article:

      Ryan responded: “You know, we’ve gotten kind of used to this sort of verbal tantrums from the President. To me it’s a little more petulance than presidential…. I think it’s because we’re actually offering solutions to a debt crisis where he isn’t. So I think we – our existence and our solutions point out the fact that he hasn’t offered any solutions to these problems.

      Ryan is being kind. The truth is that Obama isn’t just NOT OFFERING solutions; his policies are actually exacerbating the problems, and I think pretty much everyone who is paying attention and looking at it with an open mind knows that it’s not by accident.

      WRT Santorum, I always thought he was the most likable and intellectually honest candidate in the race. I doubt that his political career is over. This move now enables Romney to concentrate all his energy and resources on pointing out why Obama should be defeated.

      1. Mark Edward Noonan

        Agreed – and Santorum is young enough to try again in 2016 (in the exceptionally unlikely event that Romney loses) or 2020. Here’s the real nightmare for the Democrats: for the future, the GOP has Santorum, Jindal, West, Rand Paul, Rubio, Haley, NV governor Sandoval, Christie, VA governor McDonnell, Walker, Ryan, Senator Portman…

        What do the Democrats have? Well, some are hoping that Hillary will try again….

      2. Retired Spook

        What do the Democrats have?

        Several of us have pointed out the lop-sided nature of the respective benches. Not too many Dems are even mentioning Hillary any more, and I haven’t heard ANYONE else mentioned as a potential future candidate. When you get right down to it, most current Democrat politicians, especially at the national level, just aren’t very likable.

      3. Cluster

        Both Mark and Spook are overlooking the obvious – Debbie Wasserman Schultz is the next best democratic politician, and I think we should all be thankful for that.

      4. Retired Spook

        Debbie Wasserman Schultz is the next best democratic politician

        As I said, not very likable., and DWS epitomizes that.

      5. neocon1

        Debbie Wasserman Schultz is the next best democratic politician, and I think we should all be thankful for that.

        better than BITE ME Joe? im not so sure….

      6. neocon1

        I lost a lot of respect for Santorum when he jumped in the fiasco in Fla opened his mouth with out knowing what the F he was talking about.

        Christie?
        forgetaboutit…….sarcastic NJ oudmouth, left of Hillary.

      7. Cluster

        Ryan or Rubio for Veep for me, but I have a suspicion Niki Haley has an inside track. What do you think of that?

      8. Amazona

        We still have the Natural Born Citizen thing to settle, once and for all, regarding both Rubio and Jindal. It’s a genie that can’t be crammed back into the bottle and I think making such a big deal about it when we could apply it to Obama and then looking the other way when we have a potential candidate whose father was not a citizen when he was born would expose the GOP to very legitimate criticism. I have a feeling this is why Rubio has been so emphatic that he would not even consider a VP offer.

        Haley has been nearly as strong in her declaration. I know, I know, this is part of the courtship dance. But I think that picking a woman now would reek of defensiveness and sexism, look like a desperate effort to overcome the bogus “war on women” meme the Left has invented. I say ignore them and don’t let them run our campaign for us by herding us into defensive corners.

        I like West, I like Ryan, I would be happy with Santorum, I’ve always promoted a Romney/Bolton ticket to wrap up economic expertise and intelligent hard-headed foreign affairs experience, and if we want to bring in someone who has said “no thanks” I also like the Indiana boys, Pence and Daniels. (You want to see a dynamic superstar on the stage, you need to see Mike Pence. The man radiates so much charisma, he would be a GOP rock star, but with credentials.)

      9. Amazona

        I agree with neo on Christie…good for NJ, better than they have had, makes some good points, but not reliable as a conservative and a little too flaky.

        I also agree with Cluster that DWS is the best the Dems have to offer, and that we should be grateful for this fact. Let’s all root for a Biden/Wasserman ticket.

      10. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

        Having gotten the first person of color elected in 2008 it would only be fitting that Hillary Clinton would run against any of the GOP candidates you’ve mentioned. Despite her baggage I still feel that in improved economic times Hillary would win in a landslide because the vote of moderate women would be a 70/30 split in her favor, especially in the South and West. if the GOP doesn’t come to the center by 2014 there isn’t going to be another GOP president until they do. That might take until 2040.

      11. Cluster

        Frederick,

        Isn’t it a little sad that the only viable person the democrats have on their bench is Hillary? The GOP boasts a long bench of young talent and diversity, and yet the only person the dems can offer is some old tired retread.

        Good luck with that.

      12. Amazona

        Our last presidential candidate staked out the center, and got his donkey handed to him on a platter.

        Wouldn’t you think someone with all those letters after his name, dead or not, would know enough of history to know that Republicans win when they run as conservatives, and Democrats win when they run as conservatives?

        The only problem is that after winning, Dems and too many Republicans shift back to the Left, in spite of how they presented themselves to the electorate.

  1. GMB

    Scott Walker. No other repub governor has been as throughly vetted as he has. He is a conservative to the core. He would be a good choice for 2016.

    1. Cluster

      I like Walker a lot and although I kind of agree with Amazona in that a Haley pick may seem like a response to the contrived “war on women”, Haley is a sharp common sense conservative. However, it is too reminiscent of the Palin pick too, so I hope Romney looks elsewhere. I want Romney to add someone from the next generation and still have to go Rubio, Amazona’s objection noted. The next obvious choice is Ryan.

      1. neocon1

        I still like Allen West as my VP pick.
        Strong military, worldly educated man, vast knowledge of islam and sharia, and of course a black conservative who is still young enough to take over the big job in several years……pretty much immune to the race pimps….the whole package….

      2. J. R. Babcock

        The democrats are, if anything, for crony capitalism.

        Aaaah, so they’re Facists, not Communists. Good to know.

      3. neocon1

        baldork

        Communists Sue Democratic Party For Stealing Platform

        4/12/2010, 5:27 pm

        In a surprise move, the CPUSA (Communist Party USA) has announced a lawsuit against the Democratic Party and its leadership for the alleged theft of intellectual property.

        The plaintiffs claim that the entire so-called “new” Democratic agenda is, in fact, the product of a decades-long, painstaking campaign by CPUSA theorists, agitators, and underground subversive cells – which makes it the intellectual property of the Communist Party USA, protected by American copyright laws. “They stole our entire platform, rebranded it ‘progressive’, and claimed it as their own,” declared a CPUSA

      4. bardolf

        @GMB

        Is it really quibbling over a label? If a country like Sweden democratically decides to be socialist I don’t see the U.S. having a problem. USSR where a revolution led by a minority became a communist state which murdered dissidents in the millions is where the problem occurs.

        @JR

        Was the Bush bailout of GM a fascist action?

        @Neoconehead

        The communist party in the US is so irrelevant it has to do these kind of stunts. If the stormfront crowd said the GOP was stealing their agenda it would equally as little.

        The point is West is pretty much unaware of even a textbook definition of communism. It is troubling that he has a caraciture of
        communism and if he was VP would have to deal with the realities in communist China.

      5. Amazona

        If the stormfront crowd said the GOP was stealing their agenda it would equally as little.

        Spook, I may be better than you at deciphering dolf’s utterances, but this one has me beat.

        Anyone ?????????

      6. J. R. Babcock

        @JR

        Was the Bush bailout of GM a fascist action?

        Bardolf, are you referring to the $13.4 billion deal agreed to by Bush a month before he left office, or the $39 billion added by the Obama Administration a few months later? The aspect that I thought was fascistic was Obama overturning 2 centuries of bankruptcy law and putting the interests of the UAW over that of the preferred bond holders.

      7. GMB

        You call the socialist, I call them communists. The ultimate goal of the congressional socialist caucus is state control of every aspect of human life.

        Why quibble over a name when there is nothing at stake?

        :P

      8. Amazona

        Once upon a time, a U.S. Senator said he could name more than 50 Communists who held high positions in the United States government. Remember, this was at a time when Communists had stated the intent of destroying the United States. I think “burying” us was somewhere in that rhetoric. So having our enemies in positions of power and with access to state secrets was a big deal.

        He did name these people, and he was right. Every one of them was proved, then or later, to be a Communist.

        Oh, the Left latched onto his unpleasant personality and followed their rule book, and ridiculed and demonized him, so effectlvely that today even conservatives misuse his name to describe unfair attacks on political opponents. They were so successful that even today he is associated with the actions of the House Committee on Unamerican Activities—quite a feat for someone who was not in the House.

        But to those who understand ideology and know history, having enemies of the Constitutional model of government in positions to undermine it and even destroy it IS a threat to the American way of life.

        And no, Libbie Lemmings, the American Way of Life is not just color TVs and iPads, it is a system of governance which severely restricts federal power and authority, which keeps that power and authority concentrated at state and local levels, which allows for equality of opportunity and does not try to impose equality of outcome, and which—when implemented—results in economic prosperity and personal liberty far beyond any seen in any other nation in history.

        While Leftist apologists and defenders (and quibblers who love nothing more than ramming sticks through the spokes of those actually contributing to a discussion) will fret about some absolute technical defiition of “communist” the fact is that Leftism erodes our constitutional rule of law and radical Leftism destroys it, no matter which precise and narrow identity of radical Leftism is in question.

        It is all about collectivism, about massive central government with extensive scope and power, about limits on personal freedom, about trying to enforce equality of outcome, about restricting local government and personal choice and responsibility.

      9. Amazona

        Will Durant:

        Nature smiles at the union of freedom and equality in our utopias. For freedom and equality are sworn and everlasting enemies, and when one prevails the other dies. Leave men free, and their natural inequalities will multiply almost geometrically, as in England and America in the nineteenth century under laissez-faire. To check the growth of inequality, liberty must be sacrificed, as in Russia after 1917. Even when repressed, inequality grows; only the man who is below the average in economic ability desires equality; those who are conscious of superior ability desire freedom, and in the end superior ability has its way.

      10. bardolf

        Amazona

        I should have said “It would MEAN equally as little”. The browser is acting funny today or B4V has made some change. Still my fault, I apologize. It means nothing to say xxx supports party yyy and since xxx is a bunch of bad guys then so is yyy. If David Duke runs as a Republican it says nothing bad about the GOP.

        I find it strange that you place so little value in the actual meaning of words like “communist” and say libbies ‘fret’ about such things. This kind of attitude allows one to hurl loaded words at anyone who disagrees with their point of view and is a cheap way to end discussion on the topic. After all, it is you who claims not only that the constitution has a perfectly precise meaning (no tension or internal conflicts) but also that you are one of the few who know the meaning and adheres to it, putting yourself above Supreme Court justices on occasion. The contradiction between don’t worry about the specific meaning when it lends credibility to an opponents argument, but pay close attention to the specifics at other times is partisanship in a nutshell.

        This is the same problem with the partisan quoting of economics/financial information on B4V. Sometime the BLS is honest, sometimes not. Sometimes the U6 unemployment rate is representative, sometimes not. Sometimes Wall Street gains are a good sign the president is moving the economy forward, sometimes not.

        @JR

        Is it okay to do fascist things precisely when there will be no consequences? i.e. at the end of a presidency. That makes Bush look worse not better.

        @GMB
        So you think the Patriot Act, war on drugs, Bloomberg’s war on salt, … are all essentially communist in origin since they are authoritarian and take away your personal freedom without a similar gain in your security. At what point is a democratically elected government invalid in your opinion and what are the alternatives?

      11. Amazona

        Oh, doof, your peevishness is monumental.

        No, you silly goose, I have never claimed to put myself above the Supreme Court on any occasion. We’ve talked about this lying
        thing before, you know, and the rules still hold. Don’t claim I have said things I have not said. Not so hard, once you get used to it.

        Yes, I do believe in precision in speech. It is important.

        However, when discussing the differences among various Leftist models, the boundaries are often vague and shifting. Leftism is a continuum, not a collection of finite and discrete political philosophies. The shift from collective control of industry to government control of industry to government ownership of industry is one of degree, an evolution of Leftist ideology from one level to another.

        The very definitions of the various Leftist models are so vague and confusing, often overlapping each other, that pure definitions are also problematic. But the overall ideology of Leftism IS easily defined, which is why I ask that Leftists define it. If any of the resident trolls were to be able to do so, then we could examine where on the political continuum their particular political beliefs land.

        If I were to have a chat with Colonel West, and if he showed an interest in my opinion, I would advise him to be more precise in his language, as the “Communists” he mentions are probably not all Communists at all, but fellow travelers at different places on the Leftist collectivist continuum.

        My interest is in not allowing the Left to dismiss his observations on the degree of Leftist influence in our legislative body by claiming that if some he has identified are not true and pure Communists but adherents to less total government control then his entire observation is invalid.

        I also note that when discussing politics, definitions are important, but in more general observations I am less likely to quibble. For example, I don’t mind the use of the brand name “Xerox” to describe photocopying, in general conversation, though I would in a technical discourse on brand identification. I don’t object to the word “Kleenex” to describe facial tissue, though if I were debating the merits of specific facial tissues I would be more precise.

      12. Amazona

        The article cited, if actually read, supports my statement about the co-mingling of various radical Leftist identities.

        West spokeswoman Angela Melvin later defended West’s comments — and clarified to whom West was referring.

        “The Congressman was referring to the 76 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. The Communist Party has publicly referred to the Progressive Caucus as its allies. The Progressive Caucus speaks for itself. These individuals certainly aren’t proponents of free markets or individual economic freedom,” Melvin said in a statement to The Huffington Post.

        West’s campaign also sent over the transcript of the actual exchange that took place during the town hall to show that West was asked directly about the role of communists in the House.

        Moderator: What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card-carrying Marxists or International Socialist?

        West: It’s a good question. I believe there’s about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party who are members of the Communist Party. It’s called the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

        Some members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus confirmed that they are not, in fact, members of the Communist Party.

        Here it appears that the quibble is not about ideology, but about formal membership in the Communist Party.

        And here again we are in the minefield of Political Identity instead of Political Ideology. In this twilight zone, you can believe in Communism, you can support Communism, you can be a formal member of a group identified by the Communist Party as “allies” of Communism, but if you don’t have a membership card and know the secret handshake you are not really a Communist.

      13. Amazona

        doof, do you believe that communism is not communism if it does exchange control for security?

        I went back and read GMB’s posts and didn’t find any complaint that the government meddling he mentioned was communist in nature because it did not increase his security, yet this is the odd way you phrased your question to him:

        So you think the Patriot Act, war on drugs, Bloomberg’s war on salt, … are all essentially communist in origin since they are authoritarian and take away your personal freedom without a similar gain in your security.

        Interesting. I guess that the Soviet Union was not communistic, then, as the citizens did have increased security but loss of personal freedom.

        (Aren’t you the one who just lectured me on precision in speech?)

      14. Amazona

        neo, the CPUSA “lawsuit” is a spoof, but like all great spoofs if has deep roots in reality, based on the incredible similarity between the CPUSA platform and the Dem platform.

      15. dbschmidt

        Bardolf,

        In your response you state things like Ama says things like “you place so little value in the actual meaning of words like “communist” and say libbies ‘fret’ about such things” when it has been asked here a hundred times, if not more, to define and defend what the Left, Liberal, Statist, Progressive, Communist, Fascist position is. I know—but do you? To start with they are all points on the same path ending in either Communism or Fascism.

        Then I see you try to trap someone into answering with the Thomas Jefferson quote about “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one when Jefferson was talking about personal responsibility (security) and not in the sense you intended so this is yet another false trap or straw man with your last two paragraphs.

        BTW, the U-6 unemployment is the only real number to use no matter who is in office but unfortunately it is derived from the BLS as well so it could be garbage depending on how they derived that month’s report. Just like the internet—everything from government should be taken with a large dose of salt unless, of course, you are Bloomberg.

        And I would like to see Lt.Col West as VP

      16. GMB

        @GMB
        So you think the Patriot Act, war on drugs, Bloomberg’s war on salt, … are all essentially communist in origin since they are authoritarian and take away your personal freedom without a similar gain in your security. At what point is a democratically elected government invalid in your opinion and what are the alternatives?

        Answer. Yes, mostly. Except for the part about security. That means nothing.

        Alternatives? Right not much of an alternitve is availabe. The proggie machine has complete control over the donk party and is extending its control over the repub party. Big government wins no matter who wins this next election.

        Maybe the long line of abuses and usupations of our freedoms will have to continue for a while longer before people go all 1775 .

        Or Jesus could return.

    2. Mark Edward Noonan

      That would be an excellent pick…and it would drive the left bonkers; but, the problem is that he has the recall election in June. More than likely, he’ll win (his policies are a marked success and thus all steam for recall is being drained away)…but if he were to lose, it would look bad…and just about as bad if he were to resign as governor in order to be Romney’s VP pick.

  2. Rightlane

    We need someone Obama can’t run against in the VP slot this time around. How about McCain?

  3. GMB

    I think we need to stop letting appeareances and the media choose our candidates. Should they be considered? Yes they should but only if we as conservatives find the candidates lacking. On principle, we are doing the proggies job for them.

    The proggies and the media are never going to like us or quit saying bad things about. Never. If we are not used to it by now, we never will be.

    Nikki Haley or any of the others mention would probably make fine Vice Presidents. Certainly we would never have to worry about them being as bad as Mr. Choo Choo.

    I’ll throw another name into the ring. A woman thats has drug through the mud by the proggies and is still standing. Jan Brewer, IMO would a fine President in her own right much less a Vice President.

    1. Canadian Observer

      I’ll throw another name into the ring. A woman thats has drug through the mud by the proggies and is still standing. Jan Brewer, IMO would a fine President in her own right much less a Vice President…GMB
      ————————————————————————-
      Yes, the woman is fearless. Anyone who can stand in front of the President of the United States and leader of the free world and give him a piece of her mind while waving her finger in his face would have no problem, whatsoever, in beating America’s enemies to the ground. What a breath of fresh air in would be to have a VP or, even as you say GMB, a President, with such a feisty temperament. The U.S. could finally return to the good old days of GWB’s cowboy ‘diplomacy’. Yeah!!!

      1. GMB

        NDP still taking it on the chin there CO? Well take heart I hear you guys are taking lessons on how to register the dead to vote from our donkys.

        Mulcair really is a sour one isn’t he? I see they changed plans to erect a stutue in Jacks honour to a small plaque at Dundas. Why didn’t you dip into your pocket?

        Talk about LOLs

      2. Deena Valzeena ASCID, ETA, BTW, FBO, BOGO, OEM, Ph, IONTV (journ)

        Cowboys kick ass.
        Bobbleheads kiss ass.

      3. neocon1

        moredumbo painintheazz

        standing up for a Hispanic man being beaten during a felony? is a “bigot”
        who knew??

        loud mouth? lady your breath stinks, must be that inversion.

  4. Amazona

    As usual, the forkers are focused exclusively on identity and personality and events, and are completely uninterested in ideology.

    So, Fredrick and Diane, what about the ideology of Obama do you think will appeal to the those independent voters? What about the political agendas of Obama, past and present, do you think will sway those independents in the direction of the Dems?

    What about his record do you think will convince these independents that they want more of the same?

    You see, the United States is still for the most part a meritocracy. That means that people look at the track record of a product, a program, or an idea to see how well it works before buying another one. And for the most part it is a nation which dislikes being lied to. If it is sold a product based on false claims (as happened with Obamacare, which managed to become law without even convincing the public that it should) they are likely to remember this the next time the same huckster tries to con them again.

    Thsi will be a campaign based on ideology. Even Slo Joe said so, proving that even a blind pig will find an acorn sometimes. And unless and until your side figures out what its ideology IS, and then gets enough people to commit to it, define it, and defend it, you are stuck with the Same Old Same Old of personal attacks and sleight of hand efforts to divert attention away from the fatal flaws in your system.

  5. Cluster

    Remember the either/or aspect of Obama? Well here’s another Obama gem – the rinse and repeat:

    Said in 2011 – “During moments of great challenge and change like the one that we’re living through now, the debate gets sharper and it gets more vigorous,” Obama said in a speech on the House budget in 2011.

    Yet now:

    On April 3, 2012, Obama parroted himself, saying, “During moments of great challenge and great change like the ones that we’re living through now, the debate gets sharper, it gets more vigorous.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/obama-speeches-exactly-same-a-year-apart/

      1. neocon1

        George Zimmerman to be charged in Trayvon Martin shooting, official says

        Our government gives in to terrorists, howling racist lynch mobs, on witch hunts and to threats,& intimidation.

        WELCOME to the FORMER USA
        SICKENING……….rodney king redux?

        CHARGE then with ANYTHING…. MAKE SOMETHING UP……just appease the MOBS.

      2. James

        thank the lord! the law has worked its will.

        He will probably be charged with second degree murder and be convicted. My guess is 20 years in prison…maybe more.

        so neo, you still think Florida is a GOP state come election season?

      3. neocon1

        Drudge

        HOLDER PRAISES SHARPTON…

        ‘The things that’s about to happen, to these honkeys, these crackers, these pigs’… (NBBP)

        Hannity confirms off-the-record talk with Zimmerman… Developing…

        Businessman seeks ‘I Believe You Zimmerman’ trademarks for clothing, beer mugs, bumper stickers…

        CARNEY: Obama finished discussing Trayvon…(yeah now he is being charged by the Kangaroo court, hitler would be proud)

      4. James

        neo,

        you are very quick to defend anyone who has killed an unarmed black child who was LEGALLY allowed to be where he was….

        why is that? could it be??…nooo…can’t be….bardolf says you aren’t….

      5. neocon1

        Rut Ro

        BARACK ‘N BONES: OBAMA DROPS EVEN MORE POUNDS…

        SHOCK PHOTOS: Thin And Wasting Away…

        AIDS?
        drugs and back seat limo rides are not good these days.

      6. neocon1

        james

        yeah just like it worked for OJ
        and the rodney king cops……..
        a FARCE, a complete utter Fn joke of the FORMER US “justice” system.

      7. James

        neo, zimmerman must be your neighbor.

        he is guilty. shooting an unarmed civilian….hmm…sounds like something wrong was done…

        anyway, Florida just turned BLUE come election season.

        Thanks George!

      8. neocon1

        jamestooge

        Zimmerman is a Hispanic, DEMOCRAT,

        he shot a man in the commission of a FELONY BATTERY…….

        I’ll tell you what, since this case Fl has done NOTHING but sweep RED……..the only ones blue were already DONKS who voted D for cigarettes and cheap wine, illegals, felons, and those with <85 IQ's

      9. neocon1

        jamestooge

        still with a the CHILD nonsense

        seems there are THREE 17 yo black “CHILDS” on trial as adults, for the FIRST DEGREE MURDER of FIVE PEOPLE in Fla as we speak……..

        never let a good crisis pass you by………meanwhile 100 black men have been MURDERED by other blacks and whites have been MURDERED, beaten, stripped, raped, set on fire, mobbed…and guess what stooge?
        THEY were ALL UNARMED….justice?
        dream on idiot!

      10. James

        oh, you fell for that rumor that he was a registered democrat huh? good for you.

        you also must have missed the tidbit about the cry for help being from the child, and not this portly hispanic male….

        maybe you also missed the tidbit about him getting out of the car, chasing the kid down, and confronting him.

        hmm..you sound like a typical Hannity audience member, or maybe Huckabee….or better yet, Beck and Rush? say it aint so neo!

      11. James

        did you miss the story about the 5 black men killed in Tulsa by two WHITE guys?

        I forgot, you don’t bring up non racist things….but you’re not a racist according to bardolf! good for you!

      12. neocon1

        you missed the EYE WITNESS account
        you missed the REAL 911 tapes
        you missed Zimmerman screaming for help after Tra von sucker punched him, broke his nose, straddled him, and pounded his head on the sidewalk (again EYE WITNESS and injurys consistant with a beating)

        One THUG, One SLUG…….Zimmerman un like you, didnt miss the FELON.

      13. James

        Ageist, hoping for the death of another poster. You will be banned if you keep this up. //Moderator

      14. neocon1

        jamestooge

        they were caught, they will be tried, and hopefully executed……..

        the 50 shot in ONE weekend in chicongo with 10 dead including a six year old CHILD….crickets…….

      15. neocon1

        jamestooge

        love the RAAAACIST element you fine necessary to sling……tell me WHICH MINORITY is there raaaacism against?
        the Hispanic? or the “black”?
        ooh my choices choices…….

        also love the ageism that you cant ever let go, you must really hate your father, grand father, uncles, of course iranians were known to abuse their young muslem men….catcher?

      16. neocon1

        jamestooge

        I take the side against the CRIMINAL irregardless of the skin color.
        do a study of the crime in America then get back to us and tell us the results…….

        “wifes lover” ? now we know why you get monitored jimmah

        and I have seen MANY people your age who thought they were going to be dancing on some ones grave in X years, who them selves are now feeding the worms, best be careful what you wish upon others may fall upon you…who knows maybe tonight when you are returning with skittles and ice tea and beat some one sensless.

      17. neocon1

        jimmah

        “victim”?

        by the time 2024 comes around, **hopefully** you’ll have bitten the dust.

        LIAR

      18. neocon1

        michelle is dat you?

        Chief of Staff for the New Black Panther Party, who made the mistake of using some very colorful language in an interview about the Trayvon Martin case.

        “Let me tell you, the things that’s about to happen, to these honkeys, these crackers, these pigs, these pink people, these —- people. It has been long overdue,” Williams said in an interview. “My prize right now this evening … is gonna be the bounty, the arrest, dead or alive, for George Zimmerman. You feel me?”

        She added later: “It’s in me to fight. It’s in me to raise up soldiers. It’s in me that every time my feet touch the ground the state of Florida- these crackers- they scared.”

        the ONLY thing we are “scared” of it the possibility of her sitting on one of us in a dark theater.

      19. Majordomo Pain

        Neocon you must appreciate that you are fortunate to live in a nation where you have a right to be a loudmouthed bigot.

      20. Amazona

        Martin was not a child.

        He was not legally allowed to be sitting on George Zimmerman’s chest, whether or not he was punching him in the face or slamming his head into the ground while he did so.

        The story is that Zimmerman did not confront Martin but merely followed him, then turned away to return to his car when Martin followed HIM, confronted HIM, threw him to the ground and assaulted him.

        Someone to whom Zimmerman spoke said that Zimmerman had not drawn the gun but had it in his waistband, and during the struggle Martin saw it and threatened to use it on Zimmerman.

        You and your fellow travelers and race-baiters evidently have a deep-seated interest in finding, or inventing if necessary, whatever it takes to make this a race-based crime. So far it appears to be a series of bad decisions.

        Martin was acting in a suspicious manner, peering at houses from inside the hood of his sweatshirt. Zimmerman went out with a gun in his waistband. Zimmerman ignored the advice of the dispatcher and followed Martin, though he kept his distance and did not confront him. Martin then attacked Zimmerman. If Zimmerman had not had the gun on his person, he would not have been afraid Martin would turn it on him.

        If any one of these acts, each relatively harmless when alone but contributing to a conclusion that was tragic, had not happened, we would not now be trying to convince mob mentality types like “James” that the law should be ignored in favor of mob rule and vigilante hysteria.

        1. Martin walks briskly home, not attracting attention in an area where many homes had recently been burglarized.
        2. Zimmerman goes out without his gun
        3. Zimmerman makes no effort to see where Martin is going
        4. Martin, when he sees that Zimmerman has turned back toward his vehicle, continues on toward his father’s home

        It took a sequence of actions which, standing alone, would not have had the same outcome. Each man contributed to the sequence.

      21. Amazona

        From: The Free Dictionary

        Murder: The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse.

        Murder is perhaps the single most serious criminal offense. Depending on the circumstances surrounding the killing, a person who is convicted of murder may be sentenced to many years in prison, a prison sentence with no possibility of Parole, or death.

        The precise definition of murder varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Under the Common Law, or law made by courts, murder was the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. The term malice aforethought did not necessarily mean that the killer planned or premeditated on the killing, or that he or she felt malice toward the victim. Generally, malice aforethought referred to a level of intent or recklessness that separated murder from other killings and warranted stiffer punishment.

        The definition of murder has evolved over several centuries. Under most modern statutes in the United States, murder comes in four varieties: (1) intentional murder; (2) a killing that resulted from the intent to do serious bodily injury; (3) a killing that resulted from a depraved heart or extreme recklessness; and (4) murder committed by an Accomplice during the commission of, attempt of, or flight from certain felonies.

        Some jurisdictions still use the term malice aforethought to define intentional murder, but many have changed or elaborated on the term in order to describe more clearly a murderous state of mind. California has retained the malice aforethought definition of murder (Cal. Penal Code § 187 [West 1996]). It also maintains a statute that defines the term malice. Under section 188 of the California Penal Code, malice is divided into two types: express and implied. Express malice exists “when there is manifested a deliberate intention unlawfully to take away the life of a fellow creature.” Malice may be implied by a judge or jury “when no considerable provocation appears, or when the circumstances attending the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.”

        So far the evidence indicates that Zimmerman was being beaten by Martin, and his testimony was that he did not draw his gun but that he had to fight Martin for the gun when Martin tried to take it out of his waistband. Therefore, there is no indication of “…the intent to do serious bodily injury…” or “……. a depraved heart or extreme recklessness…”

        When a man is on his back, having his head pounded into the ground, screaming for help that does not come, and being told that his own gun is going to be used to kill him, no response on his part can reasonably be considered an “…. intent to do serious bodily injury…” or ” …. a depraved heart or extreme recklessness…” On the contrary, being thrown to the ground after voluntarily trying to leave the scene, and being sat on by an assailant who is pounding your head into the ground and threatening to kill you with your own gun is by any definition “…considerable provocation..”

      22. Amazona

        Major Pain, do you truly define “bigotry” as the fear of being sat upon by a very very large woman?

        BTW, have you ever answered any of my questions, including why you are so deeply invested in making this a race-based crime?

      23. Amazona

        “James”—five shot, three dead. Do make an effort to start having at least a little truth in your rants.

        The shootings were wrong, they were vicious, they need to be punished. They were also prompted by a desire for retaliation for the murder of the father of the shooter by a black man.

      24. Majordomo Pain

        No Amazona, We define bigotry as the decision that people unlike you racially, ethnically or religiously somehow deserve to be and are perceived as less than you are. This is what Neocon does on a regular basis. Crimes of all types are committed by all types of people. We repeat that anyone who thinks this way should count themselves as fortunate for living in America.

      25. Amazona

        Major, you are so full of it I was thinking my computer was equipped with an odor emitter. What is it about you people that you crave ugliness, need it so much you invent it when it does not exist?

        (Note the respect for your insanity in my going along with your “We” self-identification, acknowledging your multiple personalities, though I contend that they are all toxic.)

      26. Amazona

        Major—- BTW, have you ever answered any of my questions, including why you are so deeply invested in making this a race-based crime?

      27. Majordomo Pain

        Clearly, English is not your first language, or maybe your brain is finally wearing out. You were thinking of regressive, not PROgressive.

      28. Amazona

        Major pain, you clearly pick and choose which words to acknowledge and which to ignore.

        As I said so clearly, using my native language, which is English, the Left has cleverly hijacked noble-sounding words to identify the movement, but which have traditional meanings in direct contradiction to the ideology to which they are now applied.

        For example, the traditional meaning of “liberal” included being open to new behavior or opinions.

        In the political sense, capitalized to show its relationship to the Left, Liberal means intolerant of any dissenting opinion or view, restriction of personal liberty in favor of extensive government control, and rigid adherence to collectivist and redistributionist policies. Liberalism, capital-L Liberalism, is quite illiberal, if one is looking at the true and traditional meaning of the word.

        Progressive, in its traditional meaning, has always meant moving forward. Yet the misnamed Progressive Movement is quite REgressive, wanting to move backward to a system that has always failed, always led to economic misery and loss of personal liberties, and often to mass murder.

        As I said, quite clearly, in my native language, which is English, many who are political Conservatives are quite liberal in their personal views in many areas—they just reject the Leftist political model even when there is an effort to cloak it in a lovely-sounding word like “Liberal”.

        The linguistic contortions of the pigs in “Animal Farm” are based on the Left’s efforts to disguise their illiberal and regressive political system by applying labels which sound quite the opposite of the true political philosophy of the movement. Surely in at least one of your lives you have read this book, which so accurately describes the evolution of Leftist government from the relatively benign promising ‘fairness’ and ‘equality’ to the tyrannical and brutal, as justified by the modification of the motto “All Animals Are Equal” to “All Animals Are Equal But Some Are More Equal Than Others”.

        Do pick up a copy. I am sure you can find it in any of your preferred languages—it is considered one of the most valuable expositions on the fallacies of Leftist dogma.

  6. mitchethekid

    Hey Neo! Did you see the prosecutors very through news conference? 2nd degree murder charges against your oh so victimized Zimmerman. Did you catch his insane tweets today? The ones he frantically pounded out before he was arrested? Did you send him some money? For your convenience he offers PayPal.
    Hey! I hear he is in the market for some attorneys. Maybe you can take your crystal ball and pitch a defense. But don’t use the shaken baby one. He tried that already.
    Have fun patrolling Stanford with the rest of the civil rights activists.

    1. Amazona

      Well, mitchie just gave a pretty complete answer to “Just how insane are you, anyway, mitch”?

      Why are you so dedicated to making this more than a simple series of bad decisions ending in the death of one of the participants? What is it about people like you that makes you so desperate to invent if you cannot find true ugliness? What is it about you that NEEDS this to be racial?

      1. neocon1

        ama

        What is it about you that NEEDS this to be racial?

        they needed to froth and fire up the base of useful idiots and hide the REAL genocide going on in our citys by the canadians.
        A good smoke screen and marxist never let a good crisis (man made) go by.

    2. neocon1

      Have fun patrolling Stanford with the rest of the civil rights activists.

      I have friends and relatives in sanford……..so I know what you do not.

  7. mitchethekid

    Amazona.
    The operative words in your opinion is “the story is” Zimmerman followed Martin against the behest of the 911 dispatcher. This is verifiable by the audio recording of the 911 call.
    “Someone to whom Zimmerman spoke”…
    and the source of this information is whom exactly? This is hearsay. The ideology that you are so proud of compels you to assume that Zimmerman is the victim here. Hook up with Neo and explain to the prosecutor that her 2nd degree murder charges were made in error because your opinion based on “the story” and what “someone” said are in fact the truth and the media is out to martyr a dead 17 yr old who has walking back to his fathers home, in the rain and ran into a man who shot him dead “protecting” a neighborhood HE DIDN”T EVEN LIVE IN.

    1. neocon1

      bmitch

      the whole linch pin is the CRIME of FELONY BATTERY tra von inflicted upon mr Zimmerman….everything else is MOOT!!
      except Zimmermans RIGHT and LAWFUL authority to use deadly force….

      the rest is weak kneed politicians cowering in the corner and offering George Zimmerman upon the alter of appeasement to thugs, terrorists, racists, race baiters and rioters.

    2. Amazona

      Yes. A civilian with no authority told Zimmerman he should not follow the suspicious-appearing man. Ignoring this advice is not a crime. No one has denied that Zimmerman ignored this advice.

      “Someone to whom Zimmerman spoke”…
      and the source of this information is whom exactly?

      I don’t remember. It was a Zimmerman family member but unlike you, I don’t make things up so I did not try to claim to remember which one.

      “The ideology that you are so proud of compels you to assume that Zimmerman is the victim here.”

      Hey, you don’t need to go out of your way to remind us all of your abject political ignorance—it oozes through every post you make. My political ideology is about politics, about the belief that the Constitution is the best model for governing the United States of America. It has nothing to do with the rational decision to examine both sides of a situation.

      Although, now that you mention it, both do have orgins in a commitment to intellectual analysis instead of hysterical emotion.

      “Martyr !!! ”

      Ah, yes, the Drama Queen aspect of your mob mentality.

      Well, it was dark and raining and the young man had a hood pulled well over his head, so there was no way for Zimmerman, who not only had no history of racist bias against blacks but instead a history of great relationships with people no matter what their color, to know what color Martin was. Therefore, the claim that he was followed just because he was black is pure unadulterated hate-based rabble-rousing BS.

      There is an eyewitness—that is, someone who SAW what was happening—- who said that Zimmerman was on the bottom and Martin was on topof him, punching him in the face, and furthermore refused to stop wehn the neighor told him to stop. This is just a guy who lives near the site.

      There is an earwitness—–that is, someone who HEARD what Martin said before the confrontation (no matter who instigated it) —who did not give her story immediately, and who was Martin’s girlfriend. That is to say, hardly an unbiased person.

      The objective eyewitness told police what he saw the same night. The girlfriend had plenty of time to concoct a story to make Martin appear less threatening, if she wanted to do this. I am not saying she did. What I AM saying is that as a general rule the sooner an account is given the more accurate it is, and the closer a witness is to one of those involved in an incident the less credibility the witness has.

      Martin had no wounds other than the bullet wound. Zimmerman had a broken nose and lacerations on the back of his head, consistent with the two accounts (his and the neighbor’s) of being on his back on the grass being beaten in the face.

      Martin’s father said the cries for help were not his son’s voice. I heard the tape of his statement. Zimmerman’s father said the voice calling for help was that of his son.

      I have no dog in the hunt. I am not black, I am not Hispanic. I am not biased for or against any race. All I am is a distant observer with nothing to go on but the actual evidence.

      And I suggest the strong possibility that law enforcement in Florida, evaluating the mob mentality of the anti-Zimmerman crowd, looking at the bounty for him dead or alive which has been ignored by the Attorney General in what is clearly a race-based decision, looking at a documented history of mob mentality turning into full-fledged riots, decided that the best course would be to charge Zimmerman, hopefully appeasing the mob to some extent, and to provide an orderly means of presenting evidence, at a later date when the mobs have had time to calm down.

      What I find so interesting is that there is an element in this country which has to be treated like this, not as equals in search of the truth but as out-of-control maniacs looking for an excuse to riot. While you, and they, seem to think that the filing of charges is a victory, it is seen by millions as the only way to deal with an out-of-control, hate-driven, law-dismissing lych mob supported by the Attorney General of the United States. It is not a victory for the mob but an indictment of this mentality.

      Fine. If there is really enough evidence to charge Zimmerman, he should be charged. No one has ever said anything else. And if there is not enough evidence but the howling mob baying for violence has to be given a charge to tamp down the very real threats of “blood in the streets” and incitement to riot (ignored by the A.G.) then fine—treat them like the irrational rabble they are, give them their arrest, and set up a procedure to set forth the evidence that is there.

  8. mitchethekid

    I didn’t mention race Ama. What is it about you that takes offense at the judicial system deciding the outcome of this? You’re as phony and hypocritical as they come. Someone was shot dead. The shooter then hides behind a law that was enacted for someone protecting their life in their home. Not on the street trolling for an opportunity. The police then dismiss it out of hand without even conducting an investigation. This isn’t about a conviction. This is about faith in the justice system working for everyone. If a jury finds him not guilty, so be it. You don’t even want Zimmerman to face the consequences!
    All of the evidence that is in the public domain runs counter to your claims. You should be ashamed.

    1. neocon1

      bmitch

      The shooter then hides behind a law that was enacted for someone protecting their life in their home

      You know ABSOTELY….. NOTHING about PRIVATE GATED communities and Fla condominimum laws.

      Nothing about Fla trespass laws

      NOTHING about Fla CCW and self protection laws.

      which means as usual you have no freeking idea what you are blathering about except what some loud mouth racist with a loud speaker shreiking nonsense tells you.

    2. watsonredux

      It’s amazing how certain Amy is of the facts. Every time she writes a new version of what happened, she embellishes it with more details. Pretty soon she’ll be writing in the first person as though she was actually there.

      You said, “He was not legally allowed to be sitting on George Zimmerman’s chest, whether or not he was punching him in the face or slamming his head into the ground while he did so.”

      That’s right. He was not legally allowed to be sitting on him, so he deserved to be shot! Is that what this Florida law is about? “Officer, he was doing something he was not legally allowed to do, so it was within my rights to shot him dead!” Never mind that you don’t know for a fact what Trayvon Martin was or wasn’t doing to George Zimmerman before he was shot.

      You said, “So far the evidence indicates that Zimmerman was being beaten by Martin, and his testimony was that he did not draw his gun but that he had to fight Martin for the gun when Martin tried to take it out of his waistband.”

      Did it ever occur to you that George Zimmerman may have a motive to lie? Don’t you think that the police and the prosecutors would have to assume that Zimmerman’s story is unreliable for obvious reasons, and would therefore conduct a thorough investigation to determine if the evidence corroborates his story? Not you. You are happy to take Zimmerman’s “testimony” as fact.

      And despite your protestations to the contrary, Amy, Trayvon Martin was a child.

      As for NeoClown, please educate us on the Florida condominium laws and trespass laws and how that relates to this situation. Why of these laws gives you the legal right to shoot another person dead?

      1. neocon1

        waspstooge
        you are too dumb to educate, if not you would understand what took place that night and why.
        One Thug, One Felony, One Slug, One racial lynching.

      2. neocon1

        ROTFLMAO
        , Trayvon Martin was a child.

        yeah just like the 10,000 other “CHILDREN” if PRISON for LIFE for FIRST DEGREE MURDER………Duhhhhhhhhh!

        I guess a “CHILD” can also join the Marines…….what maroons….

      3. neocon1

        Aggravated Battery

        Aggravated Battery is a second degree felony under Florida law, punishable by up to 15 years in the Florida Department of Corrections.

        Pursuant to Florida Statute, Florida’s aggravated battery statute contains all of the elements of the battery statute with the addition that the Defendant knowingly or intentionally caused great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement or a battery OR the person uses a deadly weapon while committing a battery.

      4. neocon1

        another rocket scientist speaks out….

        Mike Tyson on Zimmerman: ‘It’s a disgrace he hasn’t been shot yet’

      5. neocon1

        Special prosecutor will not use grand jury in Trayvon Martin investigation

        that is because they would refuse to indite under the law.

        Angela Corey on meeting with Trayvon’s parents: “The first thing we did was pray with them…”

        now THERE is an UNbiased “investigation”
        yet she *DID NOT* talk to Zimmerman

      6. Amazona

        Oh, wattle, you need to find another blog where people don’t already know you are as dumb as a box of hair, to post your silly screeds and distortions.

        No, no one was shot for simply sitting on someone. No one said anyone was. But it IS not lawful to throw a person to the ground, pin him there, and beat on him.

        My comment was in response to a claim, in a vicious post that has since been deleted, that Martin was doing nothing illegal. Not that he deserved to be shot—do not lie about what I said. No, just that what he was doing was illegal. You are the one embellishing what I said, which is really just a fancy way of saying you are LYING about what I said by adding things I never said to a simple and factual statement.

        Sure, Zimmerman has a motive to lie. Duh. So does Martin’s girlfriend, who had plenty of time to concoct a story. This is why in a situation of “he said-she said” the objective evidence is so important. And this is what you and the rest of you hate-driven mob mentality vigilantes are ignoring.

        What evidence is there that Zimmerman approached, intercepted, or otherwise initiated contact with Martin? None. Claims that there is are pure invention.

        What evidence is there that Martin was truly frightened and trying to escape a man who scared him? Only the word of someone who is just as motivated to lie as Zimmerman would be.

        What evidence is there that Zimmerman attacked Martin? None.

        What evidence is there that Martin attacked Zimmerman in the way Zimmerman claimed? An account from an uninvolved eyewitness, and physical evidence such as head lacerations, a broken nose, and grass stains on the back of the man who said he had been thrown onto his back.

        What evidence is there that Zimmerman already had his gun out? None.

        What evidence is there that Martin saw the gun and threatened to use it on Zimmerman? None, though the sheer panic in Zimmerman’s voice as he called for help did seem to indicate more than just fear of getting thumped.

        What evidence is there that it was Zimmerman’s voice calling for help? The statements of both fathers—Martin’s father said it was not his son, Zimmerman’s father said it was George.

        What evidence is there that Zimmerman had racial bias against black people? None. In fact, the opposite is true.

        You lie when you claim I have taken Zimmerman’s story as true. All I have done is point out the evidence, and that there is undoubtedly further evidence we have not yet seen, and therefore there is something profoundly disturbing about seeing claims that Martin was MURDERED, that he was MURDERED BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK etc.

        You rabble rousers have become agitated and aggressive toward anyone who merely observed that your hysterical and racist claims are not supported by fact, and that law enforcement and the system need time and space to engage in a through investigation.

        Oh, BTW no one has ever said that Florida “condominium law” (!!!???) has or could have anything to do with this case. Or, for that matter, trespass law.

      7. Amazona

        Mike Tyson on Zimmerman: ‘It’s a disgrace he hasn’t been shot yet’ opines the ear-biter, wife-beater convicted rapist and felon.

        I wonder who interpreted for him………

    3. Amazona

      mitchie, your posts would be marginally less offensive if they were just ignorant and not ignorant lies.

      I have never, in any way,overtly or by implication, even HINTED that if the evidence were to indicate a crime then Zimmerman should be charged. To say I have would be a lie. Just as it is a lie to assert that I “don’t even want Zimmerman to face the consequences!”. You just lie. You are so caught up in your hysterical mob mentality that you simply cannot admit that there are two sides to this story.

      What is so fascinating is that one side says to stand back, let the police gather their evidence, let them go back and re-interview people as is common in investigations, let them compile what there is to compile, and then present it to the district attorney for a legal opinion on whether it meets the standard of filing charges, and for what.

      The other side shrilly squeals that this approach is racist, is defensive of Zimmerman, is racist, is an effort to shield a cold-blooded murderer, is racist, is an affront to black people, is racist, and so on. This side is callously and cold-bloodedly using the death of this young man for personal gain—to get camera time, to use it to promote personal goals such as blood in the streets and open warfare on white people, to engage in mob behavior and threaten riots and mayhem. And this side is inventing lies to support bizarre theories, such as Zimmerman slamming his head into a door to break his own nose.

      I am not only in favor of a judicial ruling on this situation, I have been looking forward to it, IF the evidence leads to the conclusion that it calls for one. Not every death is a crime. Not every death calls for charges to be filed.

      Now that the mob mentality has been castigated, you who represent it are now trying to rewrite history and claim that YOU are the ones demanding an orderly process of legal findings, and that those who all along demanded a calm and rational approach to letting law enforcement do their jobs are the ones who have been trying to impede this process.

      It won’t fly. For all the crimes committed in this country, for all the people shot to death for whatever reasons, only a certain group of people uses tragedy to call for mass mayhem, riots, killing of people of another race (that is, white people) and “blood in the streets”. Normal, sane, rational, law-abiding, decent people do not act like this.

      You do.

      1. Amazona

        A “child” with a gangsta grill of gold teeth, tats, and a name he picked out for himself on Twitter—-“nolimit_nigga”—- who had been kicked out of school for vandalism, having a burglary tool and unexplained women’s jewelry, and pot.

      2. neocon1

        Ama
        notice his obviously broken nose in the picture, maybe ole tra von purposly banged it on a door………or was that z…………?

      3. bardolf

        Amazona

        We know almost nothing about Martin. Maybe he was a real thug and maybe he was just a teen playing tough. Elsewhere you’ve described your brother who wasn’t always on the straight and narrow and at some point with your financial help he managed to turn his life around start a gravel company. Do you think your own brother at some point could have been cast as a no good delinquent?

        ‘A “child” with a gangsta grill of gold teeth. ‘

        His teeth are now clearly the mark of the Devil. Watch out for those old ladies with dentures too.

        tats

        A centuries old practice, across cultures from the Maori to the green berets has been reduced to tats.

        and a name he picked out for himself on Twitter—-”nolimit_nigga”

        Yep, false bravado is a recent development. Watch out for especially for those English soccer fans who call themselves hooligans.

        —- who had been kicked out of school for vandalism

        You’re starting to sound like West Side Story now.

        having a burglary tool

        LOL Neoconehead carries a screwdriver with him everyday too.

        and unexplained women’s jewelry

        weird, but not known stolen by any account. Unexplained is okay in a democratic society. Indeed people don’t owe other people an explanation for almost any behavior that isn’t impacting others.

        and pot.

        YOU ARE AGAINST POT BEING ILLEGAL!

        Is it possible that Martin was a teen that didn’t like authoritarian structures, liked to ramble around his environment walking aimlessly since at that age life is pretty aimless. Pretended to be a tough guy, and didn’t like being investigated by Zimmerman for ‘strange behavior’ just because he differed from the 95% in his public school?

      4. neocon1

        baldork

        tre von was ON PRIVATE GATED POSTED PROPERTY……….he was being OBSERVED by a legal crime watch participient who did just what he was supposed to do, CALL 911 and report a possible trespasser and prowler.

        as a resident of these communities you are obligated to live by the condominium rules.

        One of the rules are that you have a visitor, they have to wear a readibly visible ID badge with the residents name and unit number on it any time you are on common property.

        also a plackard placed in your drivers side of the windshield, and your vehicle pulled straight into a visitor parking spot so your plate is visible to pasing by cars in the development.

        when we work in one of these communities we are required to sign in, have marked signed vehicles, and shirts with our company name on them.

        If inquired by ANY person we have to identify who we are, and who we are on the property working for.

        this could have all been prevented by tra and his family by simply following the legal rules of the home owners condo association.

      5. bardolf

        “tre von was ON PRIVATE GATED POSTED PROPERTY……….he was being OBSERVED by a legal crime watch participient who did just what he was supposed to do, CALL 911 and report a possible trespasser and prowler.”

        Trayvon had a right to be where he was, no trespassing. UNLESS you have some secret information Zimmerman was not on watch that night. I’ve seen the area on TV enough to dismiss the idea that this was some private gated community where the rich and famous hide out. It’s a subdivision with an overzealous courtyard commando.

        This is in the end a story which will change zip Once NBC got involved the noise drowned out the information and the only thing a viewer could do was reinforce their previously held opinions. The best thing to do is wait for a trial and trust in the system. On the one hand there is a bloodlust, on the other hand Zimmerman’s dad is a judge so if he can’t get a fair trial in this country nobody can.

      6. Amazona

        possible Is that word unfamiliar to you? POSSIBLE Look it up.

        personal responsibility—-who cares why you choose to look like a thug, if you look like a thug every now and then someone is going
        to think you might be a thug.

        “Play tough” and you can’t really play both sides and whine if people think you might be tough. Give yourself a gangsta name and gee, people might think you are a gangsta. Who knew?

        Gee, I sure wish the reports on his tats had explained that they were military or Maori. Of course he was not military or Maori, so I guess once again you win the irrelevancy prize.

        My brother never broke the law, he was just not on a career path. No one ever had any reason to think he “… wasn’t always on the straight and narrow.. ” and to say I ever said that is simply a lie. (Hint: The nuns didn’t hate him either.) Then when he had to think about taking care of a family, he did become more responsible. Made millions of dollars, in fact. It’s a common maturation process. It implies no criminal or illegal leanings and it is quite bizarre for you to insert that supposition into comments that never included any such reference.

        There was never any reason to think my brother was a “no good delinquent” so no, no one but perhaps someone like you, with such a rich fantasy life, ever would. Gotta rein in those voices, doof. When they don’t lead you into out-and-out lies they make you look like an absolute fool. (Hint: there is more than a suggestion of projection in your wild fantasies: You might want to be more careful about those peeks into your own psyche.)

        As for the rest of your whining, quit sniping at me and take your incessant complaining to the school that kicked him out, several times, for the things I mentioned. Until recently I carried a knife with me. Several, actually, in a utility tool called a Leatherman. My knife was not a weapon, it was a tool. Most people are smart enough to know the difference—for a repairman, a screwdriver is a work tool. For a teenaged boy whose teachers knew more about him than you do, there was the concern that it was a burglarly tool, especially when he was found with womens’ jewelry he refused to explain. And who the hell in the Florida school system cares what I think about pot? Their schools, their rules.

        And it might interest you to know that vandalism is a serious crime problem, not the coy “West Side Story” kind of triviality you find so darling. But you stick to that. If it’s not your property destroyed or defaced, who cares, right?

        You go out of your way to prove how superficial and petty you are. Third hint of the post: It’s not necessary.

      7. Amazona

        Not long ago a driver in Denver saw a hit-and-run and called 911 while he followed the vehicle and directed police to its location. This was considered being a good citizen.

        When law enforcement officials train neighborhood watch volunteers they stress non-confrontational surveillance of suspicious persons, while calling 911. The idea is not to apprehend but to provide information on where the suspicious persons might be found when police arrive.

        I once noticed a strange Jeep Wagoneer parked in front of my neighbor’s house, with the engine running. It did not belong there. My neighbor was not home. When an officer responded he made it clear he thought it was a silly call, anyone has the right to leave his car running, but he called it in and learned that it was stolen. Thanks in part to the quick recovery of the car—evidently left there because it was low on gas, running out of gas as the policeman called it in, and another car was stolen nearby—a car theft ring was finally broken up and the leader sent to prison. I guess to some I would have been considered an overzealous courtyard commando but I merely knew my neighborhood and knew what was out of place.

        Any soldier or cop will tell you that situational awareness is key to survival, and this is also taught to neighborhood watch volunteers—to know what is expected in your neighborhood and to be alert to what does not fit in. In a neighborhood where young men routinely wander the streets aimlessly on rainy nights, hoodies pulled up around their faces, another would not be noteworthy. In a neighborhood where many burglaries had recently occurred, someone like this would, and should, attract attention from responsible citizens. Noticing is not the same as condemning. It is noticing. Watching a suspicious person from a distance while waiting for the police to arrive is not the same thing as being an overzealous courtyard commando —it is being a responsible citizen.

        Not everyone is content with being one of those people who say “Well, yes, I did see a strange car/person but didn’t think much about it” after a neighbor is robbed, or raped, or killed.

      8. Amazona

        Let’s see how doof’s supposedly logical mathematical mind works.

        I once post that a brother who had, when young, kind of drifted from job to job, till he married a woman with two children and had to grow up. From this, doof extrapolated that he was “not on the straight and narrow” and could have been considered “a no-good delinquent”.

        OK. Clean-cut, well groomed, no piercings, no tattoos, no gang insignia, no Harley hog, no brass knuckles hanging from his belt, just an average young man in his late teens and early 20’s. Making a living, working since he was 15, paying his rent, owning a car (and insuring it and maintaining it) not having any trouble at all with any authority anywhere.

        And doof deems this to be proof of being “not on the straight and narrow” and possibly a “no-good delinquent”.

        Now we look at another young man, who HAS been in trouble with authority, who has gone out of his way (and spent quite a bit of time, energy and money) to create an impression of thuggery. Tats are not cheap, nor are gold teeth. There is no indication that he ever worked to earn money for these accoutrements of gangsta identity. He has self-identified with a group known for violence and criminal behavior, from his body adornment to his clothing, and he has evidently vandalized other peoples’ property and been suspected of burglary, and shown evidence of drug use. All of this by the age of 17, an age at which my brother was working and being a productive, if not terribly affluent or ambitious, member of society.

        But doof writes this all off as mere youthful exuberance and innocent rebellion against authority.

        Awwwww

        In other words, doof is full of it, is inconsistent and inherently dishonest, and loves to show off his oppositional pathology as well as his disdain for the truth.

  9. Jeremiah

    They done made a decision, Zimmerman could get 25 years to life in prison.
    Which is a waste in my opinion. They need to bring back hangings, to where, if you do the crime, you gonna pay the price. Your life.

    And if they used these football stadiums, that hold 60-70,000 people in them to allow the general public access to view these hangings that there would be less crime on the horizon, because it would make people think twice before doing anything bad.
    Yessir, to watch that old neck stretch would be pretty gruesome, indeed.

    As for Santorum dropping out, it’s unforutunate, but expected, nonetheless. Money talks more than good will.

    Hopefully he will make next go round.

    1. neocon1

      OMG

      “I will confirm that Mr. Zimmerman is indeed in custody,” Angela Corey, the special prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case, said at a

      press conference on Wednesday night.

      She said that she had started the process of charging George Zimmerman with second-degree murder, and that before stepping up to the microphone

      she had spoken to “those sweet parents” — Sabryna Fulton and Tracy Martin — and told them what she was doing to get “justice for Trayvon.” The first time she met them, she said, they had prayed together,


      1. GMB

        Was there any doubt that this is a judge/jury/execution? Zimmererman is going to be thrown to the wolves no matter what, doesn’t matter that Zimmerman was a good donk by all accounts. He has been labeled white and that is good enough for jesse, al, et all.

        Welcome to real life George.

      2. bardolf

        @GMB why don’t you trust the justice system?

        I’ll bet another 6 pack that Zimmerman spends exactly 0 time in prison (he’ll spend time in jail) because of the Martin case.

        @neoconehead

        If drugs were legalized those 8 burglaries that got Zimmerman preoccupied don’t happen, Martin isn’t suspended from school and the FL taxpayers save a bundle in the upcoming trial.

      3. bardolf

        @GMB

        There is no lynch mob. There is a group of grievance mongers. Your glasses need to be adjusted because you’re confusing a circus for reality.

      4. Amazona

        GMB, there has not been a demand for an actual “lynching”—I believe any form of death for George Zimmerman would qualify the killer for the bounty.

        In the adobe towers of low-level academia, evidently calling for the death by vigilante of an unconvicted man is merely expressing a “grievance”.

    2. neocon1

      Lawyer For Trayvon Martin’s Parents Warns Special Prosecutor There Will Be “Pandemonium” If Zimmerman Is Not Charged…

      1. Amazona

        Pandemonium=chaos=riots=”blood in the streets”

        But….but….but….”We want to be treated as equals, with respect and dignity”.

      2. GMB

        “There Will Be “Pandemonium” If Zimmerman Is Not Charged…”

        The same they will use if he is not convicted. The same line they will use if he is not given the maximum sentence. The same line they will use if….

        I think you get the picture.

      3. neocon1

        TRUTH? “YOU CANT HANDLE the TRUTH”!!!!!! ( a few good men)

        In addition, minority racial/ethnic children and young adults in the United States are disproportionately affected by homicide.

        During 1999–2002, among persons aged 10–19 years, the homicide rate for blacks was estimated to be 17.8 per 100,000 population, a rate 10 times that of whites (1.8 per 100,000)

        and higher than the rates reported for American Indians/Alaska Natives (AI/ANs) (6.0 per 100,000), Asian/Pacific Islanders (A/PIs) (2.9 per 100,000), and Hispanics (8.0 per 100,000) (2).

        http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6001a14.htm

    3. GMB

      Oh Bardolf, you are such a peach sometimes. I mean that in a good way. :) You really do need to get over this life ought to be fair stuff.

      The threat of violence will be used to get what jesse, al, the nbp, et al wants.

      Zimmerman’s head. They will settle for nothing less. There are those that will give it to them.

      Like I said before, welcome to the real world George.

      1. bardolf

        @GMB

        If life was fair, I’d be going somewhere bad in the next life. He is risen! He is risen indeed!

        Jesse doesn’t want Zimmerman’s head. Jesse wants attention for Jesse. You should know that by now.

        They got the attention, they’ll get a trial. I’m betting a 6 pack at the end of the day there won’t be anything to hang on Zimmerman. (Duke, Tawana, … nobody got jail time).

        BTW Zimmerman can easily be cast as a thug too. He even has an orange prison photo for assaulting a cop.

        Again the fundamental problem is the drug laws leading to the 8 burglaries and Martin’s record.

      2. GMB

        “If life was fair, I’d be going somewhere bad in the next life. He is risen! He is risen indeed!”

        Join the club brother.

        Jesse doesn’t want Zimmerman’s head. Jesse wants attention for Jesse. You should know that by now.

        I do know that and you should also know that if the is any way for the baiters to keep getting attention they will do it.

        They got the attention, they’ll get a trial. I’m betting a 6 pack at the end of the day there won’t be anything to hang on Zimmerman. (Duke, Tawana, … nobody got jail time).

        I would not count on it. But no more betting for me.

        You got any onions? White not yellow. Yellow ones are out of style now.

      3. neocon1

        baldork

        a *JAIL* booking photo is NOT a “PRISON” photo.

        “assaulting” a cop is merely brushing up against him if they feel like charging you because you objected to them arresting a friend for nothing…..
        …..a CHARGE is NOT a conviction.
        Zimmerman was NEVER CONVICTED of ANY crime EVER, if he was he would not have had a Fla CCW.

      4. neocon1

        baldork
        Again the fundamental problem is the drug laws leading to the 8 burglaries and Martin’s record.

        Noooo, the fundamental problem IS the THUG on the DRUG!
        the THUG and OPM
        the THUG and OP-property
        the THUG and your color

      5. bardolf

        @Neoconehead

        When’s the last time you heard a THUG breaking in and stealing stuff so he has enough to buy a bottle of MadDog?

        Stop criminalizing behavior just because you don’t like it. Otherwise Neoconehead would be in jail. Got any tattoos from your marine days?

        BTW did you see my defense of you not being a racist has become a meme? Don’t make me take it back!

        @Moderator

        I madly appreciate the ability to learn from the enlightened on B4V and contribute in my own manner. That said, unless there is some hate filled rant, your current job is to fix the new annoying feature of window collapse before deciding I’m off topic.

        I’m pretty much always off topic that’s old news. <3

      6. neocon1

        baldork

        BTW did you see my defense of you not being a racist has become a meme? Don’t make me take it back!

        take it back? why?
        because I am for the HISPANIC minority?, and not for the black minority who was committing a felony while on private property on a man who was merely trying to find out why he was there?

  10. GMB

    How can it be off topic? This is supposed to a thread about Rick Santorum calling it quits. It degenerated into a thread about communists and George Zimmerman. Expecting ou old folks to keep a train of thought going this long is about as pointless as expecting my beloved Cubs to win the world series.

    The main point is though, I was wearing a onion in my belt which was the style of the time.

    1. neocon1

      santorum quitting is yesterdays news YAWN!!………the Zimmerman lynching is breaking news.

      an ONION in your belt??
      to ward off vampires? LOL

      splain luuucy

      1. GMB

        ” We can’t bust heads like we used to. But we have our ways. One trick is to tell stories that don’t go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for m’shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt. Which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you’d say. Now where was I… oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn’t get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones…

        grandpa simpson

      2. neocon1

        LOL

        And the winner of the Mike Nifong Prosecutorial Overreach Award for 2012 is…Angela Corey. Well done, Angela.

        followed by twana bradley, the Duke la cross players, and the Jenna six….

  11. Jeremiah

    I absolutely abhor racism in all its forms, whether white on black, or black on white. Mexican on white, white on mexican. Skinheads (modern Nazis), black panthers, etc, I can’t stand ‘em. The things they do are of Satan, possessed of his demonic entities. It’s sickening.

    1. neocon1

      jer

      I agree
      too bad the “reverands” al, je$$e, calypso louie, wright and 1/3 of congress, and the terrorist arent with you,

      1. Jeremiah

        Neo,
        Yeah, Jesse, as well as Obama pretends to be one of Dr. King, but they’re not, and never were. They’re as racist as they come.

      2. neocon1

        well off to bed and the SHOOTING range tomorrow…….IF I can get in, 2-3 hours wait last week with 10 ranges operating…….

      3. watsonredux

        Amy said, “Oh, BTW no one has ever said that Florida “condominium law” (!!!???) has or could have anything to do with this case. Or, for that matter, trespass law.”

        Um, Amy, do you even read before you post? NeoClown said to Mitch, “You know ABSOTELY….. NOTHING about PRIVATE GATED communities and Fla condominimum laws. Nothing about Fla trespass laws.”

        So let’s hear about these laws. Naturally, Clown can’t be bothered. I guess he couldn’t find something he could cut and paste.

        You then prattle on about how there is no evidence for this and no evidence for that, as though you are part of the Florida state prosecution team. You don’t know what evidence there is and isn’t, no matter how much you act like you do. You then go on to say, “Now that the mob mentality has been castigated, you who represent it are now trying to rewrite history and claim that YOU are the ones demanding an orderly process of legal findings.”

        Funny, I haven’t made one post about this until today, in response to yet another blow-by-blow description from you claiming to know exactly what happened. Give it a rest, Amy.

      4. Amazona

        I not only do not know everything that happened, I repeatedly state and restate that I do not know everything that happened. I have commented that the police have evidence they have not revealed—but when I do some moron accuses me of taking Zimmerman’s side, defending him, blah blah blah.

        This lying thing of yours is getting out of hand.

        Sure, there is a reference to rules in condo communities, but not about shooting people, just about being checked in and so on.

        wattle, you posted a load of crap, you got called on it, you showed yourself to be part of the hysterical mob mentality and once it was laid out you didn’t like it so you are trying to weasel out of it.

        Operative word: weasel.

      5. Amazona

        wattle, you whine “Now that the mob mentality has been castigated, you who represent it are now trying to rewrite history and claim that YOU are the ones demanding an orderly process of legal findings.”

        Funny, I haven’t made one post about this until today,

        What is funny is that that comment was not directed at you. It was a response to something someone else said. Evidently when someone mentions a mob mentality, you assume it is in reference to you.

      6. neocon1

        watstooge

        So let’s hear about these laws. Naturally………..ya de ya, blah blah blah……..

        a 30 second google and a 3rd grade reading comprehention would have solved that little question for you wattle.plus I DID explain in an earlier post……but hey, the alinsky route is sooo transparant and OLD!

  12. James

    wow neo, a letter to the community by the Sanford city manager! that’s such a clear document full of facts!

    idiot. once the courts start looking at this, you’ll see how pathetically wrong you are about little Georgie.

    1. Amazona

      What about the letter is inaccurate?

      What is the factual basis for your claim of inaccuracies?

      Why are you so pathetically eager to find something bad about someone you have never met yet hate with such a blind passion?

      What do you KNOW, and how do you know it, to make you so absolute in your condemnation of this man?

      1. Cluster

        Isn’t it ironic how James sneers at the City Manager’s opinions, and then in the next sentence voices his own opinion as a matter of fact?

        These current crop of liberals are some of the most intellectually void people I have ever encountered.

      2. Amazona

        Yeah. The letter lays out long-standing and verifiable guidelines for Neighborhood Watch volunteers, and “James” just sneers at it all.

        But then if you look up “sneer” in the dictionary you will see a picture of “James” and his pig eyes and unibrow, showing us what a sneer is.

        I laid out in an earlier post the evidence we already know about, and this was all dismissed by attacking me personally. Not a word of factual dispute over any of the evidence I mentioned. No, the trolls don’t DO facts. They are not going to address established evidence any more than they are going to address actual political policies.

        They are so excited about the prospect of a slavering hate-driven mob rioting and looting and killing (because we know that the most valid form of principled moral outrage is the stealing of televisions and cell phones) they are peeing down their legs in gleeful anticipation, and will encourage it, but from the safety of their own homes, of course.

        It’s called “Let’s You And Him Fight”.

      3. neocon1

        you will see a picture of “James” and his pig eyes and unibrow, showing us what a sneer is.

        james? is dat you?…….

      4. Amazona

        No, “Jmes” is swarthy and surly, glowering out from under his unibrow with little pig eyes just a WEE TAD BIT too close together, and with one of those Neanderthal low hairlines.

        Picture Mohammed Atta with a lot of hair and you would have “James'” brother.

        Waxman looks normal by comparison.

  13. Amazona

    neo, are you as fascinated as I am, as well as disgusted, by the uprising of this screaming mob of haters howling for the head of a man about whom they know nothing, other than that he was one of two people involved in an altercation and one of them was shot?

    OK, when it comes to the victimhood mentality, I expected a few people to claim this young man was only shot because he was black. This is par for the course with these people. The only reason black robbers are put in jail is because they are black, the only reason black drunk drivers are pulled over is because they are black, the only reason black murderers are put to death is because they are black, etc. But public spectacles like that moron prounouncing, oh so slowly, that Trayvon Martin was gunned down for “WWB in a GC” (and my, wasn’t he proud of that inane concoction!) or that freak show in the grotesque pink hat howling that Martin was “hunted down lahk a DAWGGGGGG!” are not only disgusting, they are disturbing.

    What I am getting from this is the impression that there is a tinderbox of seething hatred and animosity, not just ready but eager to burst into a conflagration of violence and even murder at the slighest excuse, and that there are people like Jackson and Sharpton who will gladly egg them on. OK, we already know about the Jacksons and the Sharptons, about the “Rev” Wrights, the race-baiters who howl at the moon when it serves their purposes and callously encourage their people to act like packs of hyenas who just smelled blood.

    There was a time when the black population had real leaders, like Martin Luther King Jr., who understood that to be treated as equals and with respect they had to act like equals who deserved respect. The “leadership” is now composed of opportunists who sell their people as callously as the slave traders in Africa once did, encouraging them to act like uncivilized savages, uncaring about the long-term damage done to efforts to establish themselves as decent people just like everyone else.

    Not one of them, not even the President of the United States or the Attorney General of the United States, has stood up and denounced the calls to violence, to mayhem, to riot, to murder, to “blood in the streets”. Santita Jackson writhed around in elaborate contortions to try to appear to not approve of such incitement of violence, but she refused to denounce it. How could she? Her father is one of those rabble-rousers, one of those jackals feeding on the dead body of Trayvon Martin.

    It is now clear that for the past few decades, a large amount of “leadership” of black people has been directed at maintaining this level of resentment and hatred and anger, not at channeling it into productive and peaceful and mututally tolerant co-existence. It has, apparently, been focused on reinforcing ancient grievances, keeping them fresh, and using them to maintain and even increase a sense of divisiveness between black people and people of other races. Why? How is this beneficial to black people in general?

    But I wonder about the others, the “James” types, the wattles and the mitches, the forkers, people who are probably not black, but who dive so gleefully into the fray and howl louder than anyone else. These carrion eaters, these who exhibit such ghoulish glee at the chance to climb over the corpse of a young man if it gives them a chance to spew even more hatred, creep me out.

    I am used to people like “James” and mitch and the wattle and the forkers using or inventing any excuse to attack anyone they think represents a cartoonish impression of a political system they don’t understand. Fine. We see this brainless knee-jerk hate-driven pathology day in and day out. What bothers me is their willingness to use the death of a human being as an excuse to wallow in their depravity.

    1. Cluster

      Great post Amazona. I also have to think that this is hurting Obama. Don’t think that the voters of Florida and across the nation are watching this unfold.

      1. neocon1

        Cluster

        The people in Fla are ON FIRE about this debacle, and the witch hunt for one formerly un charged man, while howling mobs roam the streets shooting, beating, threatenig, inciting to riot and putting hits out on OUR citizens.

      2. Amazona

        I will never forget that brain-dead idiot sonorously declaring TRAYVON……… MARTIN……… WAS……..GUNNED……..DOWN
        ………. FOR……… W………..W…………B……… WALKING………. WHILE……..BLACK……….IN………..A……… G……..C.

        What an idiot. He is not only as dumb as a box of hair, he is a racist goon to boot. I couldn’t tell if he talked like that because it took him that long to form a word, or if he was just so tickled with the statement that he wanted to make sure we got every delicious syllable of it.

        Nor will I forget that harpy in her butt-ugly pink monstrosity of a hat yowling that “Trayvon Martin was HUNTED DOWN, LAHK A DAWWWGGG !!!

        I will donate to the campaign of anyone who runs against either of these clowns.

        Nor will the antics of the other race hustlers and mob inciters soon fade from memory. I almost expect media outlets to be sued for alleged racism, for constantly running clips of these people, as it can’t do anything but make black people look like ignorant savages.

    2. neocon1

      Ama

      AMEN
      well written and 100% on the money.

      Mr Brother in law lives in one of those gated communities about 1/2 mile or less than where this happened.
      and my father in law owns a home just outside of Sanford and recently entered an ALF in Sanford.
      We know many people in Sanford, before her death a few years back my mother in law was very active in Sanfords Catholic church and community.

      YET
      NO mention of the Sanford police car riddled with bullets two nights ago or the 59 yo white man ripped from his car by a group feral blacks and beaten to within an inch of death with a HAMMER while the mob screamed “dis is fo tra von”

      did the “special” prosecutor go pray with this mans family?
      or promise them “justice” ……????

      FLA GOP………..YOU SUCK!!

      1. neocon1

        WTF X 10,000………..HUH??????

        Trayvon’s mom says ‘shooting was accident,’ Zimmerman to face judge

      2. neocon1

        these are the people that ole wattle, james, and the forkers are following and parroting……..LOL LOL LOL

        Farrakhan’s Wild New Claims: Jesus Was a Black Muslim &
        Elijah Would Be the ‘N***er at the Door’

        Farrakhan has previously called white people “potential humans who have not fully evolved” and referred to Jewish groups as a
        “synagogue of Satan.” The Anti-Defamation League also reports that Farrakhan has accused white Republicans of praying for President Obama’s death

        Oi Vey!!!!!

      3. Amazona

        neo—here is one possibility.

        Perhaps, just perhaps, the Sanford administrators looked at the hysteria, the drooling knuckle-dragging mobs howling for blood, the shameless hucksters climbing all over Trayvon’s body to get closer to the cameras and callously encouraging their followers to discard basic human decency in favor of becoming mindless packs of predators, and saw a powder keg ready to explode.

        Perhaps, just perhaps, they realized that these people could not be treated as intelligent, rational, decent human beings, but needed to be HANDLED, and pragmatically picked a strategy to appease them and a sweet-faced, sweet-voiced, lady to pat them on the head, say “now, now, we’ll make it all better” and in general talk down to them, play up to them, and defuse the bomb before it went off.

        They tried facts, which were ignored.
        They tried reason, which was howled down.
        They tried explaining the law, which was spat upon.
        They tried releasing evidence which, to normal people, would have shown that there were two sides to the issue, and they were called liars and met with elaborate inventions of bogus “facts” to support the mob mentality.

        In other words, they tried everything that would normally work, and none if it had any effect on a mindless bloodthirsty pack of hysterics, professional victims, and race hustlers egging them on—and without a hint of support from the President of the United States, who fed the flames by commenting on the race of the dead youth, or the Attorney General, who ignored calls to violence and murder because they came from black people.

        So what else could they do?

        They sent in a sweet-faced, sweet-voiced lady who gave the mob what it wanted. She prayed with the parents, she coddled and consoled, she listened and commiserated, and she let them get past the mobs trying to use them for their own purposes and let them be heard as grieving parents. She showed respect for their loss, which is more than the mobs and the race hustlers did.

        The mob got its perp walk and charges filed.

        A fire needs three things: fuel, oxygen, and heat. The Sanford decision smothered the flames that had been fanned by the race hustlers, including the President and the Attorney General. They took away the fuel by arresting Zimmerman and filing charges. They took away the oxygen by respecting the parents’ loss. And the heat faded away as the incitements to murder failed to stir mobs with guns and torches to swarm white neighborhoods to create “blood in the streets”.

        Zimmerman will be granted bail, and sometime down the line, when the race-baiters and rabble rousers have some new carcasses to feast upon, there will be an orderly trial, with an orderly presentation of evidence, and hopefully the pack leaders will not be able to get their howling mobs mobilized again.

        And by then we ought to have a new Attorney General, and a president who can actually LEAD the nation instead of wallowing in his own ignorant racial biases.

        If anyone ever tries to question Obama’s antipathy toward the United States, all they will have to do is look at how he allowed the entire nation to be demeaned by being presented as a nation of mob rule, how he utterly failed to exert leadership to defuse a potentially volatile and murderous situation and left it to a small Florida community to do what they could on their own, and how he contributed to the hysteria and race-based rhetoric.

  14. mitch

    Ama your bias and resentment are breathtaking. Your dour view of this situation is even more outragous. You mentioned the law. Without digressing into discussion as to what this law allows, it wasn’t even followed and Zimmerman wasn’t a resident of the neighborhood he appointed himself to “protect”.
    He disobyed what the 911 dispatcher told him and an innocent unarmed teenager was shot dead. After a cursory conversation with an ambivilent police dept he was alllowed to go about his business as if nothing happened. The victims body then sat in a morgue for days and you have the temerity to rail against those who demand that the justice system do its duty?!? You are truly a miserable and miserly wretch.
    Imagine if the situation was reversed. Imagine if Trayvon; feeling threatened by being pursued by a stranger followed “the law”, stood his ground and shot Zimmerman. Imagine if he had then been allowed to just walk away. You’d be screaming louder than those 100’s of thousands across the country demanding for an arrest. Your a phony and a hypocrite and you can couch your feigned outrage in all the adjectives you want. Nothing can erase just how souless your miserable being is.
    You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts and the facts thus far have resulted in 2nd degree murder charges leveled by someone far smarter and more knowledgebale about the law than you. This has nothing to do with appeasement or placating a “mob”. It has everything to do with doing the right thing and showing everyone that justice applies to all. Your just angry that your mini-mob rule didn’t prevail.

    1. neocon1

      bmitch

      EVERYTHING you just stated was BS slung by a useful idiot with NO clue of the law.

      Ama good point, I will have to re think it.
      Our Governor is a smart business man,maybe he handled it as a corporate crisis and it ended up good for the state after all.

      My self being a Fmr Jarhead would have sent in the NG and shot them all….LOL
      Teddy Roosevelt and San Juan hill comes to mind….. :)

    2. neocon1

      bmitch

      You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts and the facts thus far have resulted in 2nd degree murder charges leveled by someone far smarter and more knowledgebale about the law than you

      There were NO charges leveled by the local police, the states attorney, the sheriff or the FDLE.
      They are ALL smarter than you, they investigated the FACTS and determined NO crime was committed.
      THUS enter the race hustlers, the howling mobs, terrorists,blood thirsty racists, and greedy parents looking for a payday.

      A HAND PICKED “special” prosecutor who KNEW no grand jury would find for her, so she circumvented the judicial system, kissed the thugs families ass and brought murder charges to appease the lynch mobs of frothing racists “justice” for tra von while America dies a bit more.

      1. neocon1

        Can George Zimmerman get a fair trial?
        Michael Filozof

        George Zimmerman has now been charged with second-degree murder in the death of Trayvon Martin by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey.

        Zimmerman was charged after the New Black Panthers put a “dead or alive” bounty on his head. After President Obama opined that if he had a son, he would “look like Trayvon.”

        After Al Sharpton (the professional race-baiter who lost a defamation suit for repeating false allegations that six white men had gang-raped Tawana Brawley) led mass demonstrations calling for Zimmerman’s arrest.

        After Attorney General Holder publicly praised Sharpton for “partnership” and “friendship.”

        After Holder launched a Federal investigation of Martin’s death.

        After the police department in Sanford, Florida was shut down by left-wing protesters.

        After Sanford’s white police chief resigned and was replaced by a black chief.

        After NBC rigged Zimmerman’s 911 call to the police to falsely make it appear that Zimmerman made racist statements about Martin.

        After “conservatives” like National Review’s Rich Lowry joined forces with the left-wing media and wrote “Al Sharpton is right.”

        After convicted rapist Mike Tyson publicly stated that it was a “disgrace” that Zimmerman “hasn’t been shot yet.”

        Zimmerman cannot possibly get a fair trial. Those who think that racially-charged prosecutions are a thing of the past should think again. Maybe it’s time to rewrite To Kill a Mockingbird – this time with a half-white, half-Hispanic defendant instead of a black one

        Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/can_george_zimmerman_get_a_fair_trial.html#ixzz1rqyfYd2j

    3. Amazona

      Awww, give mitchie a break. The poor boy is backed into a corner, trapped by his own lies, and can’t do anything but snarl at the facts that put him there and lie, lie, lie, hoping to throw up enough extraneous BS to disguise his lack of actual information.

      His shrill screed is really quite funny, bouncing back and forth among personal attacks on me, outright lies, and simple stupidity. But when you wade through the mental excrement, what you see is a lot of hysteria based on a very few non-facts, and you realize that he clings to all of this nonsense because his pathology NEEDS to feed on the hatred and violence of his narrative, even though it exists only in his own mind.

      Zimmerman was not ordered to stop following Trayvon—he was told “you don’t need to do that”. According to the only witness to that part of the event, he never approached Trayvon, and in fact had turned back from his long-distance surveillance to return to his vehicle and wait for the police. You can believe he is lying but this is the only account and has to be taken into consideration.

      Why was Trayvon’s body not immediately identified? If in fact this is the case, why is it such a big deal? Did he have ID on him? Did he have any way of indicating that his father lived in the condo complex? Did his father file a missing persons report? There is this shrill squeal about how long he supposedly lay in some morgue, as if this means some sinister conspiracy to—well, whatever the voices in mitch’s head tell him it was about. (I notice the length of time in the morgue keeps getting longer, too—more dramatic that way.)

      Note the three insertions of mitch’s personal bias into this one short statement: “…cursory conversation with an ambivilent police dept he was alllowed to go about his business as if nothing happened…
      Somehow mitch knows, just KNOWS, that the preliminary investigation was nothing more than a cursory conversation, that the police department was ambilivent (sic) whatever the hell that is supposed to mean in this context, and that Zimmerman was alllowed (sic) to go about his business as if nothing happened . That’s three biased suppositions crammed into one short statement, without a lick of evidence or fact to back even one of them up.

      Classic mitch.

      If Zimmerman had physically assaulted Martin, Martin would have been well within his rights to shoot him. Talked to him? No. Asked or told him to stop and then talked to him? No. Been rude and said his mommy dresses him funny? No.

      There is the blatant lie—- ..you have the temerity to rail against those who demand that the justice system do its duty?!? when I always said the justice system should be allowed time and space to do its duty, unmolested and unpressured by mobs and vigilantes. BTW, law enforcement is part of “the justice system”. The only “railing” done anywhere was by the howling mobs and vigilantes who insisted that THEIR wishes drive the entire investigation instead of established, objective, procedural process.

      Classic mitch.

      And, of course the projection and name-calling.

      Classic mitch.

      1. neocon1

        Ama

        the police investigation lasted 9 hours that night, along with the hand cuffing and transporattion of Z to headquarters for a grilling interrogation, ALL with out the benefit of council.

        the next day the police and Z (again with out legal council) returned to the scene to RE ENACT what happened while being videotaped.

        Z was treated for a broken nose and head lascerations both at the scene and the next day by a DOCTOR.

      2. Amazona

        I think what has mitchie’s panties in a wad is reading that his mob mentality was seen for what it was, and might have been outsmarted, and that no one thinks any of these howling lunatics was ever anything but a howling lunatic, clambering over a dead guy’s body, just one of many trying to use his death to advance their own pathological hatreds.

        It’s like that scene from Don Quixote, where he was suddenly able to see himself as others see him.

        I can see how this would be quite jarring to mitchie, but hey, the truth hurts.

        NO ONE thinks the mobs were looking for justice. They could barely be bothered to try to keep up the pretense, themselves, as the opportunity to spout their true agendas in front of cameras overrode the invented narrative of JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON.

        So the truth came out, as truth will do, and it was all a charade. It was a chance for race-baiters to wallow in their toxic racism. It was a chance for race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson to do what they do, and manipulate a situation for personal advancement. It was a chance for rabble rousers to call for death to Whitey and blood in the streets, on the pretense of righteous indignation, and with a wink and a nudge from the President and the Attorney General. It was a chance for the administration to further widen the divisiveness it had been creating and promoting, in pursuit of political power. It was a chance for the mentally and emotionally disturbed to use it as a springboard for attacking people like me, on invented charges, but really just because of their own twisted pathologies.

        Nobody cared about Trayvon. They wrangled over his body like hyenas, everyone wanting a part he could wave around as a banner to draw people to his own sick twisted take on the tragedy.

        Once his parents were finally listened to, and their very real grief acknowledged and respected, his own mother said she thought it was a situation that just got out of control, and that the shooting itself was an accident.

        But the ghouls like mitch will not easily let go of this dead body, not when they can roll around on it for a while longer, and use it to justify their irrational loathings and hysteria.

      3. Amazona

        Now the mitches have to try to rewrite history, so now those of us who called for calm and reason, for time and space for the procedural process of an orderly investigation to take place, are the “mini mobs” (perhaps an inadvertent acknowledgment of the existence of the real mobs?) and now suddenly an insistence on allowing the process to proceed and the justice system, from the original investigators to the district attorney to the court system if called for to be respected is recast as “railing against” what we demanded.

        I don’t know if they do this on purpose or if they spend so much time spinning in circles that they really can’t tell when they have turned on their own stories and reversed everything.

        Not that it matters.

      4. Amazona

        neo, not that it matters, but did Zimmerman live in the gated community where this took place?

        There seems to be a theme that a person trained to provide non-confrontational surveillance can only legally do this near his own home, and that noticing a suspicious person acting suspiciously, reporting it to the police, and then providing the information gleaned from a non-confrontational surveillance would somehow be illegal, or at least unjustified, if in another neighborhood.

        Speaking only for myself, I would appreciate it if a passer-by saw someone strolling slowly past my house, at night, and appearing to check it out, and took it upon himself to let the police know and keep an eye on the person, at a distance, so he could tell the police where he went.

        But that’s just me—-it’s that pesky Christian “my brother’s keeper” good citizen thing that seems so offensive to mitchie.

      5. Amazona

        But…..but….but….the skinny guy jumped the bigger guy.

        And we know that never happens.

        It may even be impossible.

      6. neocon1

        yes zimmerman lived in the condo community, in fact he was an ELECTED member of the legal neighborhood crime watch, sanctioned by the Sanford police.
        A POSTED (very important) gated codominimum is a COMMUNITY OWNED PRIVATE PROPERTY…..one block down the street within the gates is the same as your back yard.
        You cant paint your mailbox or plant a flower garden with out the concent of the board……..most people do not understand Fla law.

      7. neocon1

        Rut Ro

        annnnnn the put your foot in your BIG mouth award and lose the $$$$movie deal goes to ….ta da….

        Trayvon Martin’s Mother Clarifies: I Didn‘t Mean My Son’s Death Was an ‘Accident’

        “George Zimmerman stalked my son and murdered him in cold blood.”

  15. mitch

    2nd degree murder charges. Judge decides there is probable cause. Mob hysteria rules again! Lord knows the Police are perfect and never make errors and corruption? Never. This is all a sham and poor Zmmerman is being rail roaded. Better get out the Duncan Hines and a file. Break the poor SOB out of jail. I mean all 5 of you who post on this website are so smooth and the world is so rough. Why are you so invested in your absolute conviction that Trayvon was doing something in which he deserved to die? Has it occured to you, since Zimmerman has changed his stroy so many times that maybe he is lying? Or is that the shaken baby defense his 1st team of lawyers used?
    You people are sick. Maladaptive. Why do you think that that there are only about 5 posters to this website? Influence anyone but yourselves much? lol!

    1. neocon1

      bmitch
      Why are you so invested in your absolute conviction that Trayvon was doing something in which he deserved to die?

      the LAW says FELONY AGGRIVATED BATTERY can be stopped by deadly force, the courts have up held this, the states attorney, police dept, and detectives believed this killing met the self defence laws.
      We agree with them and wnt to see a poor Hispanic minority protected from howling black racist mobs and terrorist groups.

      the Law in Fla died this week…the REAL story to follow…..

      Oh WAIT……here it is!!

      Jackson calls for end to ‘vigilante’ laws
      chron.com ^ | April 12, 2012

      The Rev. Jesse Jackson joined local ministers and Houston Congressman Al Green at a news conference Thursday
      to call for an end to “Stand Your Ground”-type state laws across the nation and an end to gun violence.

      1. J. R. Babcock

        to call for an end to “Stand Your Ground”-type state laws across the nation and an end to gun violence.

        Yeah, they don’ have no steenking “Stand-You-Ground” law in Chicago, and look what a peaceful place that is.

  16. neocon1

    yo yo je$$e…the people of the soverign state of Fla may have an issue with YOU want….

    1. neocon1

      and detroit, and DC, and LA, and NO, and SC, and LC etc etc etc

      While blacks are just 12.6% of the nation’s population, they’re roughly half of people murdered in this country each year.

      The vast majority of these killings are at the hands of other blacks.
      If that doesn’t shock you, maybe this will:

      More blacks were murdered in the USA in 2009 alone than all the U.S. troops killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars to date.

      OOPs……

      1. neocon1

        shhhhhhhhh this is a secret…….

        A 2007 special report released by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, reveals that approximately 8,000 — and, in certain years, as many as 9,000 African Americans are murdered annually in the United States.

        This chilling figure is accompanied by another equally sobering fact, that 93% of these murders are in fact perpetrated by other blacks.

        The analysis, supported by FBI records, finds that in 2005 alone, for example, African Americans accounted for 49% of all homicide victims in the US — again, almost exclusively at the hands of other African Americans.

        To put these number in perspective, recall that over 6,400 U.S. service men and women have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined over the course of a decade-long war fought in those nations.

  17. mitchethekid

    Educate yourself. This isn’t about guilt or innocence so much as it is about allowing the judicial system to make the determination. Equal protection under the law is a right allowed to all. It will be difficult for Zimmerman to claim Stand Your Ground as a defense when he was not in his home protecting his property but rather pursuing someone who was in fear of HIS life (Trayvon). In terms you can understand Neo, you can’t hunt someone down and when they try to defend themselves claim self-defense. This entire debate is about fairness. You however, in classic Neo form ASSUME that because Trayvon was Black that he automatically was up to no good. And please, don’t deny it. You consistently make fun of Ebonics, make stereotype comments about the ghetto and inner cities, race riots etc. Just admit your racial bias.

    The “Stand Your Ground” law that has been the subject of national attention in the Trayvon Martin case may be extreme, and we may not agree that it should ever justify the killing of an innocent teenager, but it is the law that will be considered in the Zimmerman case. The law in question was designed to provide an express right for a homeowner to use deadly force against an intruder. Section 776.013 of the Florida Statutes is entitled: “Home protection, use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.”

    The initial provisions of the statute state:

    “(1)A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

    (a)The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and…”

    This part of the statute provides that if somebody is breaking into your home, you are PRESUMED to be fearful of imminent peril or death, if you kill the intruder. The clear intent is to protect a homeowner from an unwanted intrusion, and to protect that homeowner from having to defend himself in a court of law against a person who was acting criminally, breaking into a homeowner’s place of sanctuary. Because of the “presumption” the burden of proof shifts from the homeowner who killed the intruder, to the criminal who broke into the house, to prove that the resident was NOT justified in his use of deadly force. Thus the homeowner is presumed innocent and would not be arrested or charged if he/she killed someone breaking into their house.

    Obviously George Zimmerman was not in his home and Trayvon Martin was not an intruder, forcefully or unlawfully attempting to enter George Zimmerman’s residence. Thus sub-part (1) of this statute does no apply. It is however sub-part (3) of this law that might be applicable. It provides:

    “ (3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony

    George Zimmerman was, to the best of our knowledge, engaged in a lawful activity, and asserts that Trayvon attacked him, justifying Zimmerman’s use of deadly force because he was in “fear of great bodily harm.” While the lack of any apparent injuries to Zimmerman’s face, and the questionable injuries to the back of his head might be proof that his side of the story is fabricated, it is still his story. The importance of looking at the actual statute, is that there is no “presumption” in sub-part 3 which applies when the shooter is not in his home. If George Zimmerman was in his home and Trayvon Martin had been attempting to break in, and Zimmerman shot him during the attempted break in, the PRESUMPTION would apply and it would be incumbent on the State prosecutor to prove that Zimmerman was NOT in fear for his life. In that case the State would likely be justified in not arresting Zimmerman because of the PRESUMPTION. However when the shooting did not occur at Zimmerman’s residence, there would be no PRESUMPTION of self defense, and once it was established that Zimmerman was the shooter, the burden would then be upon Zimmerman to prove that he acted reasonably. That is the reason Zimmerman should have been arrested, and charged with some form of murder.

    Now that Zimmerman is in hiding, the state of Florida may have difficulty arresting him. Many have questioned whether Zimmerman could hide for the 175 days and then simply rely on the Speedy Trial provisions of Florida law and the U.S. Constitutional requirement of a speedy trial to prevent ever being tried. The answer is “NO.” The Speedy Trial law is designed to protect an accused person who WANTS a speedy trial and the accused cannot be the reason for the delay. A Defendant must have a “bona fide desire to obtain a trial sooner than otherwise might be provided,” and the Defendant must be available for trial.

    Thus Zimmerman should have been arrested the night of the shooting, as he would not have the benefit of a presumption that he acted in self defense. If he remains missing Zimmerman will not be able to rely on the Florida statute requiring the state to provide a “speedy trial.”

    1. neocon1

      bmitch
      you just answered why Z was not arrested

      —————————————————————————————-

      (3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is
      ***attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be***

      has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the ***commission of a forcible felony****
      —————————————————————————————
      “in ANY OTHER PLACE”………like…..the common property of a POSTED gated condominium?

      “a FORCIBLE FELONY”………like….FELONY AGGRIVATED BATTERY?

    2. Deena Valzeena ASCID, ETA, BTW, FBO, BOGO, OEM, Ph, WOOF, IONTV (journ)

      “pursue” def: walking away from

      “hunt someone down” def: walk away from

      “questionable injury” def: one that is not fatal

      “fairness” def: million dollar bounty, dead or alive, for a man not found guilty of a crime

      “Hispanic” def: white

    1. neocon1

      wetstooge

      “hunting him down” ROTFLMAO…………

      common PRIVATE PROPERTY is just that…….Z was an elected member of a police sanctioned neighborhood crime watch.
      Z was OBSERVING a possible trespasser-prowler and in the process of describing him to the police…….

      At NO time was tra von in “fear” of anything but the soon arrival of the police.

      tra von took it upon himself to circle back and commit FELONY AGGRIVATED BATTERY upon Z……….

      If tra von, and his “fathers” girlfriend had adheared to the RULES of the community this would have ended with tra von eating his skittles in his living room.

      tra von was a thug and got a slug, now an innocent man faces life in prison beacuse oftra and his family and th howlin mobs of racists demanding “justice” that has been metered out already by Z

      1. mitch

        How do arrive at these conclusions? There is no evidence to support anything you say. And for someone who prides himself on being so patriotic, how can you justify a vigilanty killing with no recourse or accountablity. What you are promoting, nah cheering is the killing of an unarmed person based upon your wishful thinking. The Sanford police dept has a history of corruption and it is up to the courts to decide Zimmermans fate. No one can take the law into their own hands and meter out “justice”. The bottom line in all of this is that you are one sick perverted individual and karma is a bitch pal. The more you insist that Trayvon deserved to be killed and praise his killer, the more you reinforce what an insane fool you are. And since you seem to be representative of a sub-species of knuckle dragging conservatives, the more pleasure I will get when President Obama is re-elected. Just to piss you off.

      2. neocon1

        bmitch

        I never said I take any liking that tra von was shot.
        In fact it was tragic but his doing.
        I have from the very beginning agreed with the state of Fla, states attorney. police, Fla courts, and the verbage of the law’s involved that the democrat Hispanic man was within the law shooting a man who was in the commission of a FELONY battery upon him….

        the rest was on the howling mobs of racist cutthroats, race baiters, terrorists. death threats, and the blood thirsty demand to circumvent our laws and those who enforce them in this fine state by intimidation and threats of riots.

      3. neocon1

        bmitch

        O-N-E more time…………S-L-O-W-L-Y !!
        1. PRIVATE ****POSTED**** GATED (enclosed) CONDOMINIMUM.
        2. Elected police sanctioned CRIME WATCH CAPTAIN.
        3. TALKING to POLICE awaiting their arrival ON SITE.
        4. OBSERVING a suspicious person on PRIVATE PROPERTY with out REQUIRED VISIBLE name tag.
        5. Z was sucker punched, nose broken, head being bashed on the ground and split open with eye witness attempting (unsucessfully) to stop tra von’s FELONIOUS attack and could not….HE then himself called 911 and in that call you could hear Z screaming for help….then the point of contact shot which supports the eye witness account if tra von on top of Z battering him into oblivian.

        NO man, woman, citizen is required to take a continued beating after they are no longer able to physically defend them selves.

        IF tra von had stopped the attack, gotten off Z, and then shot, then the charges would apply, according to Z, the evidence, and eye witnesses tra von did not stop and was shot….

      4. tiredoflibbs

        neo, mitch has to make things up to post his lies and drivel.

        I mean he believes that Zimmerman is in hiding and that Florida will have to hunt him down.

        Mitchie is too ignorant to realize (or believe) that Zimmerman is in custody! Well, he is a mindless drone after all – I wonder where he gets his twisted info?

    2. neocon1

      wetstooge

      IMAGINE THAT////……..

      Posted on April 12, 2012
      Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit “Irresponsible And Unethical”

      “Most affidavits of probable cause are very thin.

      This is so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge,” Dershowitz said. “There’s simply nothing in there that would justify second degree murder.” (via Mediaite)

      1. neocon1

        GODFATHER blames Daley for rampant crime…

        Homicides in Chicago soar; 120 dead in 2012, 500 wounded…

        Mother and child, 1, shot while sleeping…

        Woman shot in face while driving…
        ———————————————————————————–
        dont they have gun control in chicongo??

      2. neocon1

        another one of Ubomas “sons” in a city with NO stand your ground law and a STRICT anti GUN prohabition……..

        Dramatic Footage: Retired NYPD Lt. Guns Down Gang Robber Who Opened Fire on Female Officers

        A dramatic shootout in Harlem, NY ended when a retired NYPD Lieutenant turned hedge fund driver sprang into action and opened fire on a robber who had started firing at two female officers responding to the scene.

        Rudolph Wyatt, 23 and known by his street name “Booga,”

    3. Deena Valzeena ASCID, ETA, BTW, FBO, BOGO, OEM, Ph, WOOF, IONTV (journ)

      ABC is also calling Zimmerman a white Hispanic.

      Mitch is ignoring that Martin’s mother thinks the shooting was a mistake, that things just got out of hand but Zimmerman did not intend to kill her son.

      Mitch’s posts get crazier and crazier with more and more lies. I think he is crazy.

      1. Deena Valzeena ASCID, ETA, BTW, FBO, BOGO, OEM, Ph, WOOF, IONTV (journ)

        Martin’s mother thinks no one watched her on TV saying the shooting was an accident, has a new story today. Hoping everyone is as gullible as the mobs and Mitch?

      2. neocon1

        bmitch is a certifiable Fn nutcase, but of course so are 99% of Ubomas kneepadder – useful idiots.

      3. neocon1

        she sw the book deal $$$$$ the movie rights$$$$ and the $$$$$$$ 15 minutes of fame slippong away for a slip of the tongue and the truth..

        cant have that happen….remember it was her and her defunked “husband” who went screaming to the race baiters and terrorist’t
        thugs “justice” for their theiving, doper, suspended, thug. NO_LIMIT_NIGGA son.

      4. Amazona

        I think it is obvious that Martin’s mother realized that the truth was not in her personal best interest. But making a comment like this on national TV means that only the brain-dead (ie: mobs and trolls) will swallow the revised story.

        LAHK A DAWWWG!!!

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