Liberal Fascist Perfection: Insurance Mandate for Gun Owners

From Fox News:

A New York Democratic lawmaker is behind a national push that would force gun owners to buy liability insurance or face a $10,000 fine.

The Firearm Risk Protection Act, pushed by Rep. Carolyn Maloney and seven co-sponsors, follows efforts at the state level to create the controversial new kind of insurance for gun owners.

“For too long, gun victims and society at large have borne the brunt of the costs of gun violence,” Maloney said in a written statement. “My bill would change that by shifting some of that cost back onto those who own the weapons.” …

For a liberal Democrat, this is just the best thing ever:

1.  It punishes the law abiding.

2.  It restricts gun ownership to those wealthy enough to afford insurance (so that Hollywood stars can still have them!  Cool, huh?).

3.  It opens up massive opportunities for Democrat-supporting trial lawyers to rake it in using lawsuits against gun owner insurance policies.

4.  If you have to have insurance then the government needs to be sure you’ve got it – so, licensing of guns.  And, hey, we gotta make sure that insurance policy is in force – so we need to renew your gun license each year!

5.  It provides additional revenue streams for Big Government.

6.  Once everyone is licensed, registered and insured any DA or US attorney out there looking to boost his conviction rate can troll trough the registration records to see if anyone is in violation of some obscure provision of a local, State or federal gun law or regulation.  You didn’t know you were in violation because you stored your gun in the closet instead of in a federally certified gun case?  That’s your problem!  Pony up a guilty plea, surrender your guns (forever) and pay a $10,000 fine or go to jail for 5 years!

I could go on – and if such a provision ever becomes law, then federal and State law enforcement agencies will go on and on and on.  Make absolutely no mistake about it – gun confiscation is the Democrat aim and they will keep at it and at it and at it…hoping that if they throw 100 laws and regulations against the wall that one or two of them will stick.  And then they’ll throw another 100.  Lather, rinse, repeat.

We must stand absolutely firm against all Democrat gun efforts because all of them have the same gun confiscation aim.  Do keep in mind that in theory I am in favor of gun licensing and registration (I’m also in favor of abolishing the National Guard and re-instituting the State Militia…because that what guns are really for:  to arm our militia against all enemies, foreign and domestic), but as long as these liberals are involved, I won’t go an inch down that road…because they are not honest; they don’t want reasonable regulation of guns but an end to an armed citizenry.

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56 thoughts on “Liberal Fascist Perfection: Insurance Mandate for Gun Owners

  1. neocon01

    drudge

    Connecticut moves toward sweeping gun laws…
    State to decide who can buy guns, ammunition…
    More than 100 weapon types banned…
    CA lawmakers consider regulating, taxing ammo…
    ‘AMMUNITION ELIGIBILITY CERTIFICATE?’
    Dems propose $10,000 fine for insuranceless gun owners…
    GA town passes law requiring residents to own guns…
    ‘Armed Citizen Project’ may expand to Dallas…

    UN GOES FOR GUNS

    the lines are being drawn….the ENEMIES of the constitution, and true CONSTITUTIONAL PATRIOTS.
    civil-state disobedience soon to follow, possible state successions.

    1. neocon01

      Courthouse Employees On Edge, Ask For Police Escorts…

      sure…right after they are ALL (police) DISARMED like England……after all what is good for the goose……….

      1. neocon01

        A Dangerous Threat’: Texas Attorney General Vows to Fight ‘Unconstitutional’ U.N. Global Arms Treaty

    1. neocon01

      Great vid.

      However I have a better argument….SHALL NOT!!!!! be INFRINGED!! PERIOD!!

  2. 02casper

    Mark,
    Just curious, do you feel the same about the requirement that car owners buy liability insurance?

    1. Cluster

      While the odds are pretty good that a law abiding citizen will get into a traffic accident in their lifetime – the odds of that law abiding citizen killing someone else with their gun is virtually ZERO.

      1. bardolf2

        liability insurance which was free to use data would most likely sell policies to clients who are perceived as risky at a much higher premium based on the principles of insurance, same as why teen drivers pay more

        on the other hand law abiding citizens in risky areas might be the ones who would suffer the most by not being able to afford the insurance

      2. 02casper

        bardolf2,
        I would guess that gun owners who have taken gun safety courses would receive discounts as would long time gun owners.

      3. tiredoflibbs

        Come on cluster, you should know the 2nd amendment:

        Being necessary for a free state, the right of the people, who are insured, to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

      4. Cluster

        LOL Tired. Did you see the incident rate Casper linked too? 100 fatalities out of 20 million. And. He wants to impose government enforced measures on every gun owner based on miniscule incident rates. Typical liberal. I guess the question is – why is Casper in a rush to enrich insurance companies? Talk about corporate rich big wigs. I guess they are part of the 1% Casper approves of. I wish liberals would come out with a pamphlet to tell us which corporations they approve of, which rich people they approve of, which “choices” they approve of, etc. Of course those approvals would naturally change when politically expedient.

      5. neocon01

        catspuke

        ONE sentence into the article

        Gun-related violence is most common in poor urban areas and frequently associated with gang violence,

        WOW, you racist cappy!!

      6. dbschmidt

        Casper should know the difference but I really doubt it so I shall attempt to juggle his little brain housing unit.

        One is in the Bill of Rights and clearly states the obvious with a kicker that no other amendment carries including your beloved 1st amendment to spout your insanity. You know–shall not be infringed.

        The other, auto insurance, is a part of a requirement for the ability to exercise a privilege–not a right. Even then I pay more because of “uninsured” drivers.

    2. M. Noonan Post author

      Casper,

      Always been opposed – it is not government’s business to ensure that we are not fools. I carry insurance because I’m responsible – and even many years now after most (all, by now?) States require auto insurance, there are still many millions of uninsured drivers out there…so, the whole thing is anti-freedom and pretty useless, in to the bargain…on the other hand, it has ensured that insurance companies and trial lawyers make money, so I can see why liberals love it.

      But requiring auto insurance is not unconstitutional because operating a vehicle is not a human right – owning a weapon is, and weapon insurance is designed to infringe the right of Americans to keep and bear arms by (a) making it more expensive and thus pricing lower-income people out of it and (b) make it vastly more likely that any individual, law-abiding gun owner will run afoul of the law and thus lose his right to bear arms.

      1. 02casper

        Mark,
        Thanks for the answer. Before the wonderful people on this blog attack me for the positions they assume I have on guns, I’d like to state my real positions.
        I like guns. I’ve owned guns most of my life. One of the things that I own that I would like to someday pass on to my grandson, the shotgun given to me by my grandfather. I believe that owning a gun in this country is a right. However, I also believe that there is a certain amount of responsibility that goes with owning an object that can take a life. I believe in background checks. Crooks and nutcases shouldn’t have easy access to firearms. I also believe that anyone wishing to own a gun should be required to take some kind of gun safety course. I took a hunter safety course when I was a teenager and the lessons I learned have lasted a lifetime.

        I never point a gun at something or someone unless I am willing to pull the trigger.

        At home, my guns are locked up and the ammo is secured.

        I am always aware of where my gun is pointed.

        I always assume that any weapon I handle is loaded until I can verify otherwise.

        I’m not sure at this point how I feel about liability insurance for guns. If all gun owners had to take a safety course as a condition to owning a gun, I would be against it.

      2. Cluster

        ……. there are still many millions of uninsured drivers out there- Mark

        Aw c’mon Mark, you know damn well that all those criminals you see in high speed car chases are insured. After all it is the law. And when they pass through gun free zones, they throw their guns out the window, out of respect to the signs the liberals have posted. So I guarantee you when Casper gets his way and gun liability insurance is mandated, we can all be rest assured that the next time a criminal robs a bank, or commits an armed felony, at least he will have insurance.

      3. M. Noonan Post author

        Casper,

        As I’ve said off and on for many years in many forums, I am in favor of the licensing and registration of guns – but these days, only in theory. I’d never advocate it and if it came up for a vote, I’d vote against it because I don’t trust liberals. I don’t believe your side – in its leadership and in its most ardent activists – wants an honest, open debate leading to reasonable gun regulations which prevent crime while firmly securing the endowed right to bear arms all Americans hold. I believe that your side is bent upon confiscating all privately held firearms (except for those needed to protect rich liberals) and I further believe that confiscation is desired because it would make us easier to oppress. I believe – with absolute conviction – that your side wants us to be controlled and to do as we’re told. I’m opposed to that – and so I oppose all efforts to in any way, shape or form regulate arms ownership by the citizens of the United States of America…because we might need them for their primary purpose one of these days. This is not, by the way, got anything to do with hunting or even self defense against common criminals…

        Do understand that I don’t particularly accuse you of any of these things – I can’t peer in to your soul and so I don’t know what is motivating you. I’m only saying that regardless of what any particular, individual liberal on the street might say to me, the words and actions of people like President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Fienstein, Chuck Schumer, et al convince me that when they say they don’t want to confiscate guns, I can only say, “liar”.

      4. M. Noonan Post author

        Cluster,

        Sorry, I was out front installing my “crime free zone” signs … that will stop the crooks, right?

      5. 02casper

        Mark,
        “As I’ve said off and on for many years in many forums, I am in favor of the licensing and registration of guns – but these days, only in theory. I’d never advocate it and if it came up for a vote, I’d vote against it because I don’t trust liberals.”

        Sad because their are a lot of liberals that don’t trust conservatives.

        “I don’t believe your side – in its leadership and in its most ardent activists – wants an honest, open debate leading to reasonable gun regulations which prevent crime while firmly securing the endowed right to bear arms all Americans hold. I believe that your side is bent upon confiscating all privately held firearms (except for those needed to protect rich liberals) and I further believe that confiscation is desired because it would make us easier to oppress. I believe – with absolute conviction – that your side wants us to be controlled and to do as we’re told. I’m opposed to that – and so I oppose all efforts to in any way, shape or form regulate arms ownership by the citizens of the United States of America…because we might need them for their primary purpose one of these days. This is not, by the way, got anything to do with hunting or even self defense against common criminals…”

        I believe you are wrong. I don’t see a lot of people wanting to take away everyone’s guns. If I did I would be opposed to it as much as you.

      6. neocon01

        I think EVERY VOTER should have to BUY INSURANCE and a LICENSE to cover the cost of donk voter fraud, pole watchers and lawyers, hows about that catspuke?
        along with picture ID cards from the insurance companies…..after you need both to drive a car eh??

      7. Retired Spook

        Sad because their are a lot of liberals that don’t trust conservatives.

        Do you see a solution to the divide, Casper? Or do you think we’ll eventually just have to square off and fight to the death?

      8. dbschmidt

        Well, I have to disagree with both of you because if either of you were students of history, which both of you proclaim, you know that registration (a list) is the step just before confiscation. Everything in the MSM is easily discounted as total BS and the Progressives are charging hard towards confiscation.

        As someone once said “The only movie of a real event where one side had all the guns was Schindler’s list.”

      9. 02casper

        “Retired Spook April 3, 2013 at 8:30 am #

        Sad because their are a lot of liberals that don’t trust conservatives.

        Do you see a solution to the divide, Casper? Or do you think we’ll eventually just have to square off and fight to the death?
        Retired Spook April 3, 2013 at 8:30 am”

        I think it will eventually be solved at the voting booth. I have faith in this country. I believe that overall there are a lot more issues that unite us than those which divide us.

  3. Cluster

    Casper, what did you think of the video I linked to? Do you think we should all have knife insurance? I have lots of dangerous steak knives. Should I take a course?

    1. 02casper

      cluster,
      I like knives more than I like guns. Besides the normal kitchen knives, I own a number of hunting knives, Swiss Army knives, and work knives. But knives aren’t guns. They have a number of none lethal functions. But knives aren’t guns. They aren’t near as deadly. I could probably kill 10 to 20 kids tomorrow if I took my guns to school. I’d be lucky to kill five with my knives (dang kids just won’t stand still). They aren’t quite the same. Of course if you think different, feel free to go hunting with just a knife. Let me know how that works out.

      1. Cluster

        Well if you watched the video, and looked up statistics from the FBI, knives kill more people than assault rifles, as do blunts objects, like baseball bats. And guns also have non lethal functions. Have you ever shot skeet?

      2. 02casper

        Cluster April 2, 2013 at 10:17 pm #

        “Well if you watched the video, and looked up statistics from the FBI, knives kill more people than assault rifles, as do blunts objects, like baseball bats.”

        Knives and blunt objects don’t kill people. People kill people. At least that’s the argument used by your side. So how many times as a guy (or girl) killed a number of victims at the same time?

        “Cluster April 2, 2013 at 10:18 pm #

        Oh and by the way. I don’t hunt and I don’t own a gun.”

        I haven’t hunted in years, but I do love to shoot. Come to WY and I’ll take you out shooting.

      3. 02casper

        cluster,
        If you get tired of shooting I have 5 hammers and a number of knives we could throw.

        Personally, I would prefer an ice tea on the back deck.

      4. Cluster

        People kill people? WOW. that’s a big step for big liberal. They may take away your card if you keep talking like that.

      5. 02casper

        cluster,
        “Oh and by the way. I don’t hunt and I don’t own a gun.”

        Hope you don’t lose your conservative card. LOL

      6. neocon01

        catspuke

        but I do love to shoot. Come to WY and I’ll take you out shooting.

        Pffffffttttttttttt

        like pee wee herman telling Dale Jr he would take him out for a bike ride. ROTFLMAO!!!

  4. Jeremiah

    Will this mean that I have to pay insurance for my jar of marbles? What about my garden tools? Will I have to pay insurance on them? My hoes, shovels, rakes, machetes, scythes, sickles, hand-held cultivators, fruit pickers, etc, etc. Will I have to pay insurance on my lawnmowers too? In case I run over, and chop up a house fly you know? What about my bicycle? I ride it to town every now and then to get some things from the store…do I have to have insurance on it? What about my grass trimmers and chainsaws…are they gonna require me to have insurance on those too? What about my welder? You know, in case I decide to plug into James’ ears and make a few sparks? How about my leaf blower…I might not like Casper’s tree leafs blowing over on my lawn, so I’ll blow them back over in his yard…will I have to pay insurance to keep my leaf blower? What about my gas powered log splitter, and man powered axes, mauls, hatchets etc? These I use to keep me warm in the winter…Lord only knows that they create a lot of carbon in the atmosphere and create “man-made global warming” (by the way, where is my global warming? I’ve froze all spring) … what about my wood stove? Do I have to pay insurance on it?

    Come on people! When are we going to stand up for our freedom!
    STOP this insane government!

    1. neocon01

      VOTER INSURANCE and voter LICENSES with picture ID’s NOW!!!…the time has come!!!!

      1. neocon01

        insurance? Riiiight Pee Wee

        Crime Rates

        Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
        When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
        Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
        The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

        Interracial Crime

        Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
        Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
        Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
        Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

        Gangs

        Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
        Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

        Incarceration

        Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
        Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

      2. neocon01

        Shhhhhhhhhhh dont tell catspuke……..

        The Color of Crime: Chicago (2010) Illinois

        In 2010, Chicago was 32.9% African-American, 28.9% Hispanic, 31.7% White, and 5.5% Asian:

        Murder

        In 2010, African-Americans accounted for 76.2% of murder arrests and Hispanics accounted for 19.3% of murder arrests in Chicago. In other words, 95.5% of murder arrests in Chicago were African-American and Hispanic.

        Criminal Sexual Assault

        In 2010, African-Americans accounted for 65.7% of arrests for criminal sexual assault and Hispanics accounted for 27.7% of arrests for criminal sexual assault in Chicago. In other words, 93.4% of arrests for criminal sexual assault in Chicago were African-American and Hispanic.

        Robbery

        In 2010, African-Americans accounted for 85.5% of arrests for robbery and Hispanics accounted for 10.8% of arrests for robbery in Chicago. In other words, 96.3% of arrests for robbery in Chicago were African-American and Hispanic.

        Aggravated Assault

        In 2010, African-Americans accounted for 70.7% of arrests for aggravated assault and Hispanics accounted for 21.5% of arrests for aggravated assault in Chicago. In other words, 92.2% of arrests for aggravated assault in Chicago were African-American and Hispanic.

        Burglary

        In 2010, African-Americans accounted for 74% of arrests for burglary and Hispanics accounted for 18.7% of arrests for burglary in Chicago. In other words, 92.7% of arrests for burglary in Chicago were African-American and Hispanic.

        Source: Chicago Police Department, 2010 Annual Report

  5. GMB

    Patrick Henry moment anyone? Or are you still convinced you can win this with grand plans and words?

    1. neocon01

      GMB

      Or are you still convinced you can win this with grand plans and words?

      GOP? = yes!
      donks? = they know better….marx, mao, che, fidel, pol, ayers, al Ubama

    2. Retired Spook

      are you still convinced you can win this with grand plans and words?

      GMB, I’m convinced that the Left believes they can win with grand plans and words. I don’t think your average Leftist has any idea how difficult it will be to implement their grand plans. I think the Left. for the most part, believes that law-abiding citizens can be disarmed simply BECAUSE THEY ARE law-abiding citizens and will obey any law the Left chooses to pass. I’m not sure exactly when or where the tipping point will be, but Americans, especially in flyover country, have armed in the last 6 months in preparation for conflict.

      1. GMB

        ” I’m convinced that the Left believes they can win with grand plans and words.”

        At this point in time the left has won with grand plans and words. The left is winning because the opposition did not oppose. The opposition found it easier to go along to get along, to moderate positions, and to adjust their expectations to suit the needs of the progs.

        Our Constitution has been reduced to easily changed, mere suggestions by the progs with help from vichyites like mccain and graham.

        A special pox on the house of rino.

        The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Kind of hard to be vigilant when your nose is glued to big screen tv.

      2. neocon01

        OMG

        Cluster
        STEP BACK from the WATER……

        You can’t make this stuff up. It’s a real-life story out of Phoenix, the capitol of Arizona

        City Recruits Minority Lifeguards Even if They Can’t Swim
        April 03, 2013 |

        In a staggering case of affirmative action gone wild, officials in a major U.S. city are actually recruiting minorities to be lifeguards at public pools even if they’re not good swimmers. It’s all in the name of diversity.

      3. dbschmidt

        I am still optimistic that with a long run (3 or 4 terms) of truly conservative, Constitutional-based folks in DC we can turn this ship around–otherwise it is time for Henry, both Patrick and my H006. There is always hope–after FDR they passed an amendment. That was the third attempt by the Progressives that led to push-back–this is the fourth (if you don’t count the Clinton’s).

      4. Jeremiah

        At this point in time the left has won with grand plans and words. The left is winning because the opposition did not oppose.

        What you said, Bro. GMB, it’s dead on! Try to fix this nation now with plans and words is not going to work. It’s too far gone…way too many years of brainwashing…and the mentality that has been established just continues to grow, and continues to weaken our country by the day. There’s only one solution but we’re not allowed to say it.

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