Open Thread

Pelosi has agreed to hold a vote on the Senate-passed border bill. Ol’ Nance is in quite a pickle. She’s got a batsh** crazy caucus (at least half her members) which takes its cues from the even more insane upper class white liberal base of the party…and they want Resistance! They want Impeachment! They want war to the death! But, Pelosi isn’t entirely stupid: she knows that going down the route of the Insane Resistance Left means not only Trump re-elected, but likely with a restored GOP House majority. I think that here she’s trying to take a crazy-pants issue off the table. I don’t think it will work.

Supreme Court rules that we can’t have a citizenship question on the census because Justice Roberts (I’m thinking) felt he needed to throw the left a bone so that he’ll still get invited to the prestige parties in DC. It also rule that the State legislatures will continue to draw legislative district maps, in spite of a heavy effort by Democrats to get judges they’ll pick to draw the lines. So, mixed bag: and we need to re-elect Trump. Two more liberal justices are almost sure to leave the Court between now and January, 2025 and if we can get to a 6-3 or 7-2 majority on the Court, then even a squish like Roberts won’t matter any more.

The MSM got a picture of two dead illegal immigrants (father and child, it seems) and has posted it all to heck and gone…which I guess is supposed to make us all go, “Orange Man Bad! Impeach!”, or something. While we’re all sympathetic to the dead, the bottom line is that they are dead because the adult involved decided to jump the line. Nothing prevented him from applying for legal immigrant status. Nothing prevented him from showing up at a port of entry to claim asylum status. He decided, with child, to try to cross a river. Any experienced outdoor person (or swimmer) can tell you how fraught with danger crossing a rive is, especially with a child. He bet his (and the child’s) life he could make it. He lost. Meanwhile, plenty of people (me, included) have been shouting about the deaths along the border for years…deaths the MSM never covered because there wasn’t an Orange Man Bad angle.

According to a survey, young Americans are growing less tolerant of homosexuality. This, to me, is a backlash – and it is created because it has been years since the gay rights movement was about securing rights for gays. It is all about punishing anyone who isn’t enthusiastic in approval of anything the most lunatic homosexual activist demands at the moment. And, of course, this was inherent from the beginning.

Oh, to be sure your average gay man out there did just want to be left alone – to be able to live as he wished without risk of losing his job over whom he had sex with. This was a reasonable demand to make. Unless we wanted to start arresting straight people for fornication or adultery, there simply was no justification for punishing someone for having sex with whomever. But the left – and, more accurately, the most insane part of the left – wasn’t after toleration; they were after destruction. Specifically, the destruction of the concepts of “right” and “wrong”. It helped gay people to win by asserting that gay is the same as straight…and regular, non-insane gay people benefited from that victory. But it came at a cost which will now, most likely, be paid mostly by non-insane gay people. Gay people would have been better served by a more go-slow approach as people were more than willing to extend tolerance…but buy forcing a leap from “leave me alone” to “bake me a cake, bigot”, a backlash has been created: people don’t like to be dictated to. (HT: The Other McCain)

40 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. Cluster June 27, 2019 / 5:49 pm

    Trump’s threat of deportation and subsequent 2 week conditional extension forced Pelosi’s hand to finally get something helpful done. It was a good move on Trump’s part.

    House Democrats just passed the Equality Act so now anyone can be a woman. Kaitlyn Jenner (Bruce) has already won Woman of the Year, and now thanks to Democrats, men will soon hold all women’s sports records as well as taking away many scholarships. Sorry Ladies.

    • Retired Spook June 27, 2019 / 7:57 pm

      Another excellent example of be careful what you wish for.

  2. Retired Spook June 27, 2019 / 9:27 pm

    Quote of the Day:

    “We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK.” – Barack Obama during 2008 Democrat primaries.

    • jdge1 June 28, 2019 / 4:42 am

      Back 20 years ago the majority of the population would have thought Obama an imbecile with that statement. Astonishing how brain dead or perhaps easily bribed people are these days. With this coming election there appears to be a clear choice between 2 very different political cultures (even with politicians redefining the meaning of words and trying to look like something they’re not). If there’s not a stern rebuke at the voting booth against the democrat platform, even with the known attempts at rigging the election, then I don’t see much hope we can hold this country together. If however, Trump wins with landslide numbers AND the right regains the house, though the war will not yet be won, there will be major cause for celebration. Some of the telling polls will be certain voting blocks, in particular blacks, Hispanics, Jews, & feminist. Many from these groups have voted more heavily democrat in previous elections. I’m hopeful there are enough of them have stepped back and questioned their past loyalties and asked who really serves them, their families and their future best. We’ll see.

      • Cluster June 28, 2019 / 7:43 am

        … there appears to be a clear choice between 2 very different political cultures

        You’re right about that. Trump is trying to enhance personal liberties and economic opportunities. The Democrats are trying to enhance governmental control resulting in less liberty and less economic opportunities. It’s a clear and stark difference.

        The authoritarians were on full display last night. From Bernie promising to raise taxes on everyone and impose inferior health care to Kamala Harris saying that she would by executive order start to take peoples defense away, to Elizabeth Warren promising to break up every big company and make them kneel to the alter of government. It was hard to watch but I suffered through it. I will tell you that Biden is lost. He can’t keep a consistent train of thought for too long … it was actually kind of sad to see. He should just sit back and enjoy his life as a former VP. While Kamala Harris has a very wide authoritarian streak running right down her racist spine.

        Oh and I almost forgot. Every single candidate promised to take our tax dollars and provide health care to illegal immigrants while doing nothing to secure the border. And right now Al Sharpton and Kamala Harris are trying to “out victim” each other. You know … cause they’re black.

      • Retired Spook June 28, 2019 / 10:02 am

        It was hard to watch but I suffered through it.

        You’re a better man than I am. Anything new and exciting or just the same old collectivist, social and economic justice, disarm law-abiding citizens, kill babies, free shit for everyone BS?

      • Cluster June 28, 2019 / 10:42 am

        You pretty much nailed it Spook but I did realize one very good thing that came from last night. Trump won reelection last night. Every single Democrat has promised open borders and unlimited free healthcare for illegal immigrants and those extreme positions will not play well in the general election.

        Game over.

      • jdge1 June 28, 2019 / 11:59 am

        As excruciating as they may be, the democrat debates are exactly what this country needs. If for nothing else, these presidential candidates are forced to out maneuver each other to see who can be more left than the others, and in doing so expose themselves for the rest of the voters to see their asinine proposals and platform. Without these debates the candidates would be more likely to appear as centrist in an attempt to fool the general voting public, they care about those who they’re supposed to represent.

        Just the other day I saw a tv commercial where various individuals were holding up small posters citing various common health problems and waiting times to be treated or obtain tests, listed in weeks to months. After maybe a dozen such individuals the commercial ends with something like; “This is what to expect with Medicare for all and no private health insurance.” These are the kind of messages that need to be front and center because it appears the typical undecided voter does not comprehend the damage the leftist black hole will engulf them in.

      • Amazona June 28, 2019 / 12:39 pm

        Well, jdge, AOC explained why Liberals were not concerned about voting for a president who didn’t even know how many states are in the Union—silly things like facts don’t matter as long as you feel good about yourself, and people felt good about themselves when they used their votes not to determine how the nation would be governed (which was never given as a reason for voting for Obama) but to signal their level of personal special wonderfulness by voting for a black man.

        Nearly every reason I heard was a variation on the same theme: “I want the world to see that the United States is ready to have a black president.” “I want to show that I am not a racist.” “I want to flip off every Republican, who is by definition a racist because there is no reason to not love Obama but the color of his skin.” And so on.

        While the core of the Left is hard-headed, calculating and ruthless, it has succeeded in the United States by trivializing politics and reducing the importance of a vote for president to nothing more than a token used to express some personal identity need.

        You say “With this coming election there appears to be a clear choice between 2 very different political cultures” yet I don’t see anyone clearly defining those cultures and explaining them and contrasting the differences.

        I don’t foresee Trump maturing his approach to social media and modifying his tactics, which I would like to see moving away from the juvenile name calling and into explanations of why he feels so strongly about these Dems. For example, I’d like to see a shift away from “Crooked Hillary” to “The actions of Hillary Clinton were not only illegal, they signaled a very serious danger to the Republic as they undermined our national security as she tried to hide her efforts to trade favor for money.” I’d like to see every criticism he makes of every Dem lead into a brief explanation of why that Dem and his or her policies and philosophies are a danger to our nation.

        If he can’t or won’t do that, then at least I would like to see a coordinated effort by the few national voices picking up his petty snarls and working them into a narrative that explains what they signify in the larger scheme of national governance.

        For example, I have yet to see anyone link the efforts of some of our federal agencies to spy on citizens to the practices of the secret police of Lenin, Stalin and Hitler. There is disorganized fretting about it, but no real effort to relate it to tyranny and oppression. I haven’t seen anyone linking the harassment and efforts to intimidate political opponents to the extermination of political opponents, pointing out that it is merely a matter of degree between mobs harassing opponents and showing up at their doorsteps to terrify their families and actually harming those people or their families—and linking this to the practices of known tyrannies such as Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany. We’ve seen two SWAT team paramilitary raids in the middle of the night on homes of older civilians accused of nonviolent process crimes, with no reference to the dreaded midnight knocks on the door that typified life under tyranny. We’ve been watching the federal and state governments in this country designate targets and then launch exhaustive investigations to try to discover some crimes that could be attached to them, without quoting the head of Stalin’s secret police and his comment “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime”.

        Until we start defining the two basic political philosophies and relating them to either successful governance, such as that under our Constitution, or failed and oppressive governance stripping people of liberty such as those of the notorious Socialist governments of the past century and first part of this one, we are not really asking for a choice between “… 2 very different political cultures…” but still looking at a choice among personalities, and Identity Politics.

  3. Cluster June 28, 2019 / 8:01 am

    So on Drudge right now is a poll showing that the respondents chose Andrew Yang as last nights winner, followed by Kamala and then wait for it …… super hippie flower child Marianne Williamson who is an authentic wing nut.

    Um …… I don’t think we have anything to worry about.

    • Retired Spook June 28, 2019 / 9:47 am

      I’ve got to ask the obvious question: who the hell is Marianne Williamson?

      • simoneee9 June 30, 2019 / 10:31 pm

        > I’ve got to ask the obvious question: who the hell is Marianne Williamson?

        http://bfy.tw/OMnC

      • Amazona July 1, 2019 / 9:31 am

        Oh, Simon, you poor humorless clueless little twit.

      • Retired Spook July 1, 2019 / 10:23 am

        It was a rhetorical question which obviously flew right over Simon’s pointy little head, but seriously, I’ll bet if you asked 1,000 Americans on the street what they thought of Marianne Williamson running for President, you’d get a blank look from all but a couple. OTOH, I actually thought Simon’s response was pretty humorous; showed more imagination than most Lefties are capable of.

    • Retired Spook June 28, 2019 / 10:41 am

      Um …… I don’t think we have anything to worry about.

      I’m felling better and better about our competition. It appears they are perfecting the circular firing squad concept better than I could have imagined. My concern is the ability of social media to manipulate information in such a way that undecided voters are steered in a specific way based on completely false information, a lack of truthful information or a combination of the two.

  4. Cluster June 28, 2019 / 8:32 am

    I am a little surprised the media is not covering Pelosi’s capitulation on the border / not. There was such outrage over the last week about illegal immigrants not having tooth brushes that I thought for sure they would delight in the Trump administrations victory on making sure resources for illegals were made available. Do they not care anymore???

  5. Retired Spook June 28, 2019 / 10:35 am

    Quote of the Day:

    “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” George Orwell

  6. Retired Spook June 28, 2019 / 11:46 am

    I stumbled across this article about how America has risen substantially on the global economic freedom scale since Trump took office.

    According to The Heritage Foundation’s 2019 Index of Economic Freedom, America’s economic freedom has seen a dramatic boost—from 18th place in the world to 12th place in the span of just one year. America’s score ticked up by more than a full point from last year, reaching the highest level in eight years.

    The information is 6 months old, but I doubt the trend has reversed since January. It begs the perfect question for a Democrat debate:

    “After 8 years of economic stagnation America’s position on the global economic freedom scale has improved from 18th place to 12th place. What would you do to reverse this trend?”

    • Cluster June 28, 2019 / 12:16 pm

      It begs the perfect question for a Democrat debate

      Yours was a good question and here’s another one.

      “In 2014, then President Barack Obama said that Central Americans should not be bringing their children on the arduous journey to our border and if they did arrive at our border, that we would turn them around and send them back home”

      My question is – is Barack Obama a racist?

      • Amazona June 28, 2019 / 12:57 pm

        There is another question no one asks, about the dozens/hundreds/thousands of abused children being held at the border—HOW DID THEY GET THERE?

        Were they transported by loving, caring parents, in conditions concerned with their welfare and safety? If not, then who is responsible for where they are now? Without proof of considerate, safe transport to the border, by biological parents, I think it is clear that removing the children from the unsafe conditions that got them to the edge of the United States is humane and compassionate and should be praised.

        Every single child in custody at the border is there because some adult, a parent or just some adult, took him or her on what was probably a miserable and stressful and dangerous journey across a large and often inhospitable country, to be used as a pawn in an effort to game an impotent and disastrous American immigration system.

        I think there would be support for a system which matches children with parents through DNA testing, then puts the reunited families on buses or even planes and sends them back to their general areas of departure. I’d even pack them lunches, hand out little toiletry kits to make sure those vitally important toothbrushes are always available, and even give each family $100 to help them get home from the drop-off point. A quick turnaround time would save us billions of dollars and clear out the backlog of people we are supporting while we allegedly process their claims.

        If they show up at the border again, I’d put the kids on comfortable transport and pile the adults, identified by their DNA profiles, on rattle-trap school buses for a much less comfy trip back across Mexico, there to be reunited with the poor children they insist on victimizing. Two or three 24-hour-a-day trips across Mexico on hard bench seats, with no air conditioning but completely safe from bandits, starvation and violence, might make consideration of yet another such trip a little less appealing.

        As for the children who were not taken to the border by their parents, I would give the real parents a couple of weeks to claim them, hand them back after questioning to find out if they were sold or rented to be used as pawns, and if the situation seems relatively safe for the children put them back into their families.—but not in the United States. Those who are not claimed should be adopted into US homes.

        But what we should be saying, loud and clear and very often, is that the only reason these children are in custody here and now is because some adults, parents or others, put them in danger by taking them to the border.

        I don’t hear anyone saying that.

  7. Retired Spook June 28, 2019 / 12:04 pm

    The two Democrat debates HAVE made one very powerful statement that speaks to who they are: not a single American flag on the stage at either debate.

    • Cluster June 28, 2019 / 12:13 pm

      Oh great observation …

    • simoneee9 June 30, 2019 / 10:32 pm

      Pure jingoism.

      • Retired Spook July 1, 2019 / 7:29 am

        A swing and a miss! Fearing that someone might be offended by the national symbol of your country is not jingoism. If anything, it’s the opposite of jingoism. Nice try though, and thanks for playing.

      • Amazona July 1, 2019 / 9:35 am

        As usual, poor Simon has it all backwards. However, if one is inclined to sift through his nonsense to try to figure out just what prompted that one brain cell to fire that one time, it may be his knee-jerk response to the very idea that Americans running for the office of president of the United States might show respect for this country as they fight for the office. That idea seems to offend him.

        Or, much more likely, no brain cell fired at all but someone on the Left he thinks is, like, you know, really cool, said that so little parrot Simon had to scurry over here to post it.

  8. Cluster June 28, 2019 / 3:01 pm

    Good stuff

    • JeremiahTMM June 28, 2019 / 10:53 pm

      👍

  9. JeremiahTMM June 30, 2019 / 10:27 pm

  10. JeremiahTMM July 1, 2019 / 5:43 am

    The blood flowed in Portland this past weekend …

  11. Retired Spook July 1, 2019 / 8:15 am

    Quote of the Day:

    “What is a moderate interpretation of the Constitution – half way between what it says and what you want it to say?” Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia

  12. Cluster July 1, 2019 / 8:48 am

    What a bunch of scum. Why do they have to be compelled to do the right thing? Why can’t they just do it? People literally shit in the streets where they govern. Men use the women’s restroom where they govern. Kids go to failing schools and live in crime infested areas where they govern. Illegal immigrant murderers are protected in areas where they govern. But yet they feel they have the moral high ground to lecture everyone else and claiming to be “conscience-stricken” ??????

    A group of 19 billionaires including George Soros and Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes have penned an open letter to candidates in the 2020 election calling for higher taxes on the wealthy. The conscience-stricken billionaires suggest the tax be imposed on the richest 0.1 percent Americans.

    GO F**K YOURSELVES

    • Amazona July 1, 2019 / 9:37 am

      Uh, you need to pay more attention, Cluster.

      That is exactly what they are doing to themselves.

  13. Retired Spook July 1, 2019 / 12:16 pm

    Scary comment by Kamala Harris at the Friday night debate last week.

    ‘America does not want … a food fight. They want to know how we’re going to put food on their table.’

    When the majority of Americans see government as the entity responsible for putting food on their tables, we’re finished.

    And then if that wasn’t enough, she added this:

    “In traveling around the country,” she said, “I’m meeting people who are working two and three jobs,” while President Donald Trump “walks around talking about and flouting his great economy” and pointing to stocks, joblessness and unemployment numbers.
    “That’s fine if you own stocks — so many families in America do not,” Harris said, later adding, “Yeah, people in America are working — they’re working two and three jobs.”

    She then brought it back to food.

    “So when we talk about jobs, let’s be really clear,” she added. “In our America, no one should have to work more than one job to have a roof over their head and food on the table.”

    That falsely assumes that everyone in America has the skills and ambition to be hired into a single well-paying job. Personally I think it’s great that our economy and our economic system are strong enough to provide multiple jobs for low-skilled and un-skilled workers, until such time as they get enough experience that they can move up the economic ladder.

    • Cluster July 1, 2019 / 2:41 pm

      It also ignores the fact that some people WANT an extra job to save for a home, or education, or …

      Re: Kamala – this is from the Biden camp

      “She played low ball, which was out of character. And he didn’t expect it, nor did I,” said Lee White, a Biden supporter who attended his remarks at the Jesse Jackson Rainbow PUSH Coalition. “She should not have gone that route. She’s much too intelligent, she’s been able to be successful thus far, why do you have to do that.”

      I can tell you why she did that, and most men can. You can see it in her eyes and the way she carries herself. Kamala is a RAGING BITCH.

      • Amazona July 1, 2019 / 8:01 pm

        Uhh, just why would anyone consider Harris’s behavior out of character? This is a woman who slept her way to political office and who is an underhanded street fighter.

  14. Retired Spook July 1, 2019 / 3:02 pm

    I sure hope the Dems re-litigate forced busing during this election cycle. We can remind those not alive back in the 70’s that NO ONE was in favor of forced busing except a few liberal elites inside the Beltway. Blacks hated it because it was an admission that the only way predominately black, inner city schools could succeed was if white kids were bused in, and Whites hated it because many had purposely moved to neighborhoods with good schools where their kids could often walk to school. School districts hated it because it dramatically increased their budgets for buses, fuel, drivers and insurance. And on top of that, it did absolutely NOTHING to improve education.

  15. Retired Spook July 1, 2019 / 3:29 pm

    Isn’t the media’s apoplectic reaction to Trump stepping into North Korea hilarious? A few short years ago they were ready to nominate Obama for a second Nobel Peace Prize for being the first president in nearly 90 years to land in Cuba and cozy up to that totalitarian regime. Can you imagine the Left’s reaction if Trump manages to negotiate a meaningful peace with NK and/or Iran and wins a Nobel Peace Prize in the process. I see heads exploding.

  16. jdge1 July 1, 2019 / 7:33 pm

    If there’s any question that many of the left are enemies of the state, just view the actions, comments and smiles from them when things like journalist Andy Ngo getting severely beaten by Antifa members becomes brazenly open. Their reaction resonates that of Muslims when the twin towers fell. If ever there was a domestic terrorist organization this is one. That there are people, especially politicians, who call themselves inclusive and tolerant, but at the same time believe all conservatives and most republicans to be their enemy to be destroyed in the real sense not just metaphorically, is there any question that we ARE most certainly fighting a civil war?

    The biggest question is, can true law and order be restored or will this mockery of justice intensify and escalate until the war consumes us as a nation? I’m not betting on real law and order any time soon, until those who perpetrate such actions are thrown in jail and made an example of, in numbers large enough to become a deterrent. With so many leftist politicians bent on allowing this chaos by standing down when it happens, or even worse encouraging it and stoking its fire, at what point does turning the other cheek on become an encouragement to continue their destruction against good people? I can see where it will only be a matter of time when a law abiding citizen carrying a legal firearm uses it in such a situation for fear of life and in self-defense, that triggers a response where much bloodshed will happen and it sparks a national outcry, both against gun ownership and at the same time against mob oppression of these criminals.

    As I’ve said before, I pray to God for His intercession. This war can be won by returning to a moral society and restoring true law and order that only comes from electing and installing moral constitutional minded politicians and judges, and by convicting those responsible for such lawlessness. The 2020 election will tell us much. I don’t have much question that Trump will be reelected unless something extreme happens. But the direction and makeup of the congressional house and the senate will be even more telling. Without both of these institutions behind Trump, not much good can be done. Will the democrat debates and platform be enough of an eye opener for those who’ve previously aligned with them change direction by realizing, all they offer is destruction and a sentence of servitude to the elite? Or will the siren singing free stuff for all be too appealing to resist?

    The suppression of the voice on the right must be fought. This blog is a good example of one voice in many that continues to shed light on the truth to those who might listen. Hopefully the voice of truth is strong enough to prevent turning our great nation into a suicidal mess. Pray is stronger than conventional arms, by if arms are required then so be it. Good men and women will not cower away when called to stand.

    • Retired Spook July 1, 2019 / 8:57 pm

      In an essay about immigration at Public Discourse today, the author made the following reference:

      Two recent essays argue that the elites driving US immigration policy are motivated by a one-sided idealism that endangers the common good. Writing in First Things, Matthew Schmitz criticizes the “immigration idealism” of political and religious leaders who imagine a world where no walls or fences are necessary. These idealists import a sentimental version of Christianity in which, to quote former US ambassador to the Holy See Miguel Diaz, “the body of Christ knows and has no borders,” into the political realm.

      Similarly, in an essay published at Public Discourse, Arthur Milikh excoriates immigration activists and academics who characterize concern for border enforcement as a type of unjust exclusion or discrimination. Milikh worries that this mindset lacks the sense of loyalty to a particular community necessary for democratic governance.

      What Should Immigration Realism Look Like?

      Schmitz appeals to the Protestant theologian Reinhold Niebuhr for a dose of realism. Just as Niebuhr challenged the naïve idealism of Christian pacifists in the years before the Second World War, Schmitz argues that, “in an imperfect world, peace must be protected by strength of arms, and welcoming the stranger entails preserving the society that might welcome him.” He therefore calls on his fellow citizens to defend the border with force. (emphasis – mine)

      • Amazona July 2, 2019 / 2:18 pm

        welcoming the stranger entails preserving the society that might welcome him.

        Now there’s a great bumper sticker.

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