The Atlanta government schools are not worrying about the ObamaMedia pressing too hard on this test score cheating scandal. They are more worried about Casey Anthony. Instead, they are using the usual dumbed down talking points for the ignorant drones: blame Bush. It’s Bush’s fault! Wow, WHAT A REVELATION!!!! Blame Bush for the cheating in Atlanta’s government schools.
Not surprising … they are pushing this tired old regurgitated talking point that if it wasn’t for No Child Left Behind, this cheating scandal would not have escalated (or even happened).
ABC correspondent Steve Osunami said during a report:
Everyone here is pointing the finger at No Child Left Behind, the federal policy that made test scores king , closing schools with low scores, and rewarding schools with high ones. This former superintendent is accused of encouraging the cheating. She received hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonuses tied to improved test scores. I’m personally friends with a good number of teachers in this community who tell me that they’re under tremendous pressure. They say that the same parents who are angry about all the cheating would be even more furious if the schools started reporting lower test scores …
Pay close attention to: “Parents would be even more angry is the schools had reported lower test scores?” Test scores, which by the way shows three things:
1) the incompetence of government schools (federal government policies and regulations rather than the states’ and local governments that are more accountable to the local people).
2) the detrimental effects of special interest unions which at heart are not “about the children” but about advancing their own power.
3) the inability to get rid of unionized teachers and administrators that are simply not doing (or can’t do) their job.
These parents should be concerned about whether or not their children are learning. Period. To falsify these test scores meant cheating many struggling students out of education they otherwise needed. Of course, the looters will come up with the same excuses – MORE MONEY….. and the ignorant drones will take up the chant.
It is time for the media to do their jobs and return to their ethical standards rather than support their ideological comrades.
UPDATE, by Mark Noonan: Nothing to see here, people – let’s just move on:
Former Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin called the state investigative report into widespread cheating on standardized tests in Atlanta Public Schools “pretty scary.”
However, she said, former Atlanta School Superintendent Dr. Beverly Hall deserves credit for her successes…
She’s a liberal, you see?, so her heart must have been in the right place…
Update: Award-winning gains by Atlanta students were based on widespread cheating by 178 named teachers and principals, said Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal (a Republican) on Tuesday. His office released a report from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation that names 178 teachers and principals – 82 of whom confessed – in what’s likely the biggest cheating scandal in US history. The cheating has been going on for 10 YEARS!
The Criterion-Referenced Competency Test was instituted in the SPRING OF 2000! Gee, long before the passage of NCLB and the election of George Bush!!!
http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/ci_testing.aspx?PageReq=CI_TESTING_CRCT
Note: There is no mention of NCLB nor did (or could) the 82 confessors blame Bush for their cheating. The mindless drones would have you believe otherwise.
Blogs For Victory 
Hey, any chance for the BDSers to trash Bush is wayyy too good pass up. And any distraction from the chaos of our economic system is just a plus.
We asked for a way to make sure our children were actually LEARNING what they needed to know in our public schools. The available data indicated that they were not.
There are basically three things you can do when faced with a problem. You can pretend it is not there, you can shrug your shoulders and take a “well, there’s nothing we can do about it” attitude, or you can try to solve it.
The problem for the Left has always been that when Bush and the GOP tried to solve this problem, the solution stepped on the toes of the teachers’ unions and, less obviously but just as important, undermined the radical Left’s determination and need to control education as a means of controlling the nation. Therefore, the shrill, strident, hysterical, overblown, and vicious attacks on what is and always has been nothing more sinister than an effort to make sure all American students receive adequate education in the basics.
When I have heard the bizarre claims that “the teachers are just teaching to the test” I have thought this was the most blatant admission of teacher incompetence possible. Yet the Left seems to think it is damning evidence and proof that no testing should be done. What about the opinion that if the teachers were simply doing their job, the tests would show that?
“Teaching to the test” is not new.
A few weeks ago our most tepid and wishy-washy kinda-maybe-almost Lefty got his knickers in a knot when I said I had attended a parochial school for “nearly eight years”, reading into it a mishmash of poor communication skills on my part and a murky but sordid history of adolescent misdeeds and expulsion by fed-up nuns.
But, as usual, the real story was much more simple. We moved during the school year and I was suddenly plunged into Public School Hell. From a calm, dignified, and disciplined school environment I went to something not quite as bad as Blackboard Jungle but comparatively as upsetting to a shy small-town girl.
The school was in a town where there was a small college with a teaching major, so we had a lot of student teachers. My first day in science class, the young male student teacher was going over, evidently for the second or third time, a test he had administered and which most of the rowdy class had failed. He was “teaching to the test” and going over every question, trying desperately to hammer in the answers so when the same test was given again at least a few would pass and his student teaching rating would be better.
I was so miserable that first day I simply refused to go back to that school. But a week later I had come to the conclusion that it was probably not really all that bad, so I went back. And the same teacher was going over the same test in the same class, as the class had failed it again.
By the end of the 6th week in this town, my parents had realized that the school system was so absolutely horrible and out of control we would have to move. By that time I had attended my school six days, a week apart, and every single time I was in that science class the same incompetent teacher was “teaching to the (same) test” to get a final class score that would make him look better.
This is what incompetent teachers DO, and it amazes me that the Left is so brazen that they try to pass this off as an indictment of the testing system instead of the educational system.
Teaching to the test has definitely been part of school curricula for decades. When I was in school, the teacher would always pause, sometimes with a wink, when covering material that would be on the exam. Most students picked up on this right away and would start taking notes. If the teacher is good, the exam will cover the most important subject information, and if the students are paying attention, they will learn and retain that information.
Teaching to the test is a good thing.
Teaching “to the test” deprives the students of a well rounded education. Gone is the in depth study of history and sciences and only give the minimum required. The government schools and government teachers are only concerned with the results of the test and the curriculums that will improve test scores only, rather than the students applying what they have learned to the tests in a more intuitive way.
There would be no need of for NCLB testing requirements if schools would only pass those students who deserve to pass rather than giving them a passing grade for fear of self-esteem and school performance issues. Another reason why unions are against test based evaluations is that they do not want accountability in any form.
And they wonder why we are so far behind compared to other countries.
Thank goodness honest people can check the archives instead of relying on your historical revisionism. Your ‘nearly’ piqued my curiosity and I opined that you had left early because you were too smart! The Count came up with another narrative, involving the idea that a school year isn’t ‘technically’ a full year. Talk about carrying water.
You happily revealed it was a family choice to move during 8th grade and get a jump on meeting new friends before summer vacation. Now you seem to regret the choice and wish to have graduated with your parochial school chums. Your parents decision is a typical example of Soviet style planning that never worked but is still in style with the older GOP set. I.e. we need to lower taxes so that the corporate planners who see into the future will be able to hire in an optimal manner to match their long term goals.
Anyway, as the main opponent (on this blog) of NCLB and other soft hearted -soft brained GOP initiatives I look forward to Mark and other important bloggers pushing for a defunding of the Dept. of Ed. and a repeal of the massive enlargement of Medicare under Bush.
Dolf, do you EVER get tired of being so damned silly? Or of flailing impotently at irrelevancies? Your peevish nit-pickiness is quite annoying, but it is your ability to take an innocuous little tidbit of information and internalize it and blow it up into an elaborate fantasy which you then parade as fact that gets my attention.
So you were “piqued” by a simple reference to a period of time being “nearly” eight years. As you seem to permanently reside in a state of fretful pique, I’d say you were eager to latch onto any excuse to exhibit it.
You did NOT opine that I had left early because I was too smart! but instead clung to, and repeated, what you seemed to think a witty insult, that the nuns kicked me out because of my “attitude”.
Now you are focusing on six weeks— SIX WEEKS! of an unknown length of time between my leaving parochial school and graduating from high school, managing to latch onto a reference to a very short time span and make it the defining element of my entire public school experience.
Not only that, but trying to tie it into “Soviet style planning” which you then laboriously (and with total lack of success) attempt to spin into an ageist and quite bizarrely silly muddle of confused and confusing political maneuvering alleged to be a tactic of the “older GOP set”.
This is, without a doubt, one of the goofiest of a long line of goofy fantasies of yours.
Now, this weird obsession with my youth, and this creepy determination to invent elaborate scenarios to fill in gaps in my narrative with the snottiest lies you can create, is hardly of interest to me on a personal level. It does, after all, speak to your mental health and has nothing to do with my own reality.
But it is fascinating on a larger scale, as it shows how a certain type of personality can, and does, create an alternate universe, based not on reality but on some quirky inner need to believe something, and then make this invention his own reality and integrate it into his belief system where it takes an unquestioned place in his worldview.
In terms of mental health (and lack of same) this is not of much interest, but from the perspective of political allegiance and belief it really IS fascinating, and explains much of what we see here so stridently and repeatedly claimed by pseudo-Lefties who have accepted and integrated various lies and misconceptions into their own consciousness and then proceed as if these falsehoods have any basis in fact.
NCLB and other soft hearted -soft brained GOP initiatives
Well, if by “GOP” you mean Ted Kennedy. And other Dems. And Barack Obama, whose aides say he is planning to tweak it but not repeal it.
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(wikipedia) NCLB was originally proposed by the administration of George W. Bush immediately after he took office. The bill, shepherded through the Senate by co-author Senator Ted Kennedy received overwhelming bipartisan support in Congress.
NCLB supports standards-based education reform, which is based on the belief that setting high standards and establishing measurable goals can improve individual outcomes in education. The Act requires states to develop assessments in basic skills to be given to all students in certain grades, if those states are to receive federal funding for schools. The Act does not assert a national achievement standard; standards are set by each individual state.
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By William McKenzie/ Editorial Columnist
11:05 AM on Thu., Aug. 27, 2009
There’s probably not a better example of Ted Kennedy’s skills as a legislator than his work on No Child Left Behind the law that Sen. Kennedy, Democratic Rep. George Miller, Republican Sen. Judd Gregg and GOP Rep. John Boehner worked on with the Bush administration in 2001.
Recall the context of those times. President Bush had won reelection after the nightmarish Florida recount and Supreme Court decision and many Democrats wanted nothing to do with him. The president nevertheless extended his right hand to Democrats, and one who took it was the biggest Democrat of all, Ted Kennedy. He came to dinner with the Bushes, watched a movie at the White House and generally started to work with Bush on reforming federal education law.
Throughout 2001, while Bush was getting hammered by many Democrats for pursuing tax cuts, Kennedy kept working on a center-out strategy with the White House and the Hill on education reform. Through painstaking negotiations, the foursome worked with Bush domestic advisers Margaret Spellings and Sandy Kress on the legislation.
What I loved was the political approach of that bill: It didn’t start as conservatives trying to get liberals to sign on, or liberals trying to get conservatives to sign on. It instead started with both sides meeting in the middle and figuring out a way to produce a bill they both could support.
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Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., a key author of the law and the chairman of the Senate education committee…..
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By: Gregory Kane | Examiner Columnist | 08/30/09 12:00 AM
Isn’t it odd that Sen. Edward Kennedy had to die before we were reminded by some of his many admirers in the mainstream media that he was one of the primary legislators who backed the No Child Left Behind Act ?
If I had a buck for every time that I heard since 2001 how horrible NCLB is, and how that horrible man — that would be former President George W. Bush — was the one responsible for cramming it down the throat of an unwilling nation, I could retire early.
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The No Child Left Behind Act is often dismissed as a Republican intrusion into the nation’s schools. But in truth, one of the law’s biggest backers was Sen. Edward Kennedy, whose legacy is being remembered today.
The late Massachusetts Democrat was one of four primary sponsors of the bill, and he was standing by George W. Bush’s side when the president signed the bill at a ceremony in Hamilton, Ohio in early 2002.
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Even though they should, many people do not know how how much of NCLB was Teddy Kennedy. When George W. Bush said that he would reach across the aisles to work with the democrats, NCLB was perhaps the most significant evidence of his making good on that pledge.
Amy
Once again you exhibit the complete lack of responsibility of your kind. The GOP made a horrible decision with Bush in control and now you put NCLB at the Democrats feet. Why doesn’t the GOP show some guts and just defund NCLB? Because they are all talk and no action.
You and your ilk will guarantee an Obama victory in 2012. Some nice guys like Neo and GMB might vote GOP under duress but others won’t. They see Boner selling them out along with the majority of the GOP congress no matter what Mark tries to sell.
It is sad when you can’t even be honest and say your dad made a poor decision to move you out of the Catholic school. You like to have it both ways in politics and in your private life. The DECIDERS make poor decisions and you attack the decisions but not the poor judgement. Your mental state shows a fetish for bullies and how they wield power, confusing it with courage and wisdom. You attack skeptics as pansies or some other nonsense learned on the school yard playground along with childish nicknames and the like.
Once again the archives are there, no amount of historical revisionism is needed to show NCLB is a Bush mess.
dolf, thank you so much for your post. If I had merely described you as clearly as you illustrate yourself to be, I would have been accused of being soooooooo mean-spirited.
You say: “Once again you exhibit the complete lack of responsibility of your kind. The GOP made a horrible decision with Bush in control and now you put NCLB at the Democrats feet. ”
Did you bother to read the quotes I provided? Are you just ignoring them or disputing them?
Yes, Bush DID suggest NCLB, But it was not just a GOP bill, and to persist in insisting that it was is sheer lunacy. You either cannot process the information provided or you simply choose to ignore facts then they don’t advance your strange, convoluted, worldview.
Speaking of which—why SHOULD I “admit” my father “made a mistake”? What, exactly, was the nature of the mistake?
Did our move lead to financial hardship? Economic ruin? Diminished opportunity? Was he wrong in his professional choices? How so? Please explain to us all how it was a “mistake” to move from one town to another.
Was it a mistake to move to the town I talk about in my post? In retrospect, yes. But my brothers and I learned a lesson from that—sometimes you do make a mistake, and when you do the only thing you can do is to correct it, swiftly and with resolve. Which is what we did. That lesson alone was worth the brief sojourn in a bad school system. Believe it or not, six weeks, which in my case was only six days of attendance, did not scar me, or damage me, or scare me, or discourage me, or contribute in any way to any future negative outcome.
The only thing YOU might find a negative outcome from that experience is a strongly developed antipathy to fools and frauds, which has certainly affected my attitude toward you.
So tell us, dolf, why the rest of my life, or at least my secondary education, suffered as a result of the move. Tell us how much better off we would have been if we had not moved. Tell us all about the misery created by ending up in a very cool city, in a great school system, with opportunities not available in the small city where the parochial school was located. Explain to us all not only what you know but how you know it. Give us the straight scoop on how a brief interlude in a crappy town ruined our lives and proved the decision to move to be, in perpetuity, a “mistake”.
You don’t even know if the business opportunity that prompted the move was affected in any way by the shift from the bad-school town to the good-school town. You don’t know how far apart the two towns are, if the change to enable attendance in a better school system had the slightest impact on the career opportunity that attracted my father, or in fact the slightest thing about any detail of that event. You don’t know if I would have undone the move, if I could have. You don’t know if I would have chosen to return, to the parochial-school town. You don’t know if I COULD have chosen to return.
You don’t know if I thrived on the new locale, the new school, the new friends, the new opportunities, the new perspectives, the broader scope of education offered by a top-notch school system.
In other words, you don’t know s**t.
And yet, as usual, this does not deter you from posting more of your nonsense.
Before typing this I called the two brothers who were old enough to also be in school when we started our adventure and asked them if they thought it was a “mistake” for our father to pursue advancement and move us all, and the resounding response was “hell, no!” Of course, they actually have some knowledge and experience on which to base an opinion—criteria you seem to find inconsequential.
dolf, don’t think for a moment that you contribute to a more manly persona by using crude sexually-oriented distortions of a name. That ship has sailed, and all you do is solidify your image here as a strangely confused little creature, and your evident delight in mindless vulgarity sends a different message than I think you intended.
Peevish, shallow, fretful, snippy and dishonest—none of these are canceled out by crudity. And in the same post you accuse ME of using “childish nicknames”.
Or in your strange little mind is using a sexual vulgarity not childish but strong and manly?
Whinge all you like about “the archives”—–the fact is, NCLB was a bipartisan bill, co-sponsored by the Lion of the Senate. The only reason it is a “mess” is because the teaching profession in this nation is so incompetent that they can’t teach their students enough to pass simple tests of knowledge, and it is telling that its shrillest and most hysterical critics are teachers.
Next time do take a few minutes for some deep calming breaths before rushing headlong into a hyper-emotional “Oh, yeah! Well so are YOU!” psuedo-rebuttal of what I have said. Your efforts today are embarrassing for you, or would be if you had ever even looked for that dignity I once said I hoped you could find.
“Fetish!” Pish-tosh. Pshaw!
I’m new. Is Bardolf as big an ass as he sounds? You give him proof and he just ignores it.
Colby
baldork IS a Richard Cranium.
I wonder how industry views a city where it might be harder to find a well-educated workforce. It seems to me that any city which wants to attract business would be determined to send the message that children who graduate from its schools have a decent and well-rounded education.
The federal govt, the courts, unions, and busing destroyed the finest education system in the world.
So Mark are you tiredoflibbs?
richardpryor
So Mark are you tiredoflibbs?
because you are blithering useful idiot drones, your ranks include commies, inner city thugs, atheists, sodomites and abortionists.
you are sick depraved evil turds a “DEMON ECONOMIST” ?? WTF X10
next?
tiredoflibbs is apparently Mark without the pretension of being some sort of learned individual.
Sorry for making the discussion to hard for you to follow there, Monty.
Why don’t you comment on the thread? Hmmmmmm…..
Why don’t you defend the indefensible? Or, are you able to recognize a losing argument and had to attack the messenger as is with pathetic liberal tactics?
Typical and pathetic.
Sorry for making the discussion to hard for you to follow there, Monty.
Why don’t you comment on the thread? Hmmmmmm…..
Tired, as the late Eleanor Roosevelt said, “great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events, and small minds discuss people.
…and I’M just guessing that “Monty” is just a recycled troll whose posts tended to consist of nothing but Mark-bashing.
Jealousy can take an ugly turn, can’t it?
Monty,
Nope, just part of our build up towards 2012…back in 2008 we had quite a few writers, some of whom have now gone on to start their own, successful blogs. We’re going to be quite beefed up by the start of next year, and we’re going to be doing a lot of new things.
Get used to it – we’ll have saturation coverage of the conservative point of view.
Your “conversation” is just the same talking points over and over again, tired. You don’t even vary your vocabulary, perhaps because it’s so stunted.
By the way, “saturation coverage of the conservative point of view” only requires one person, Mark, as you all parrot the same thing. And if tired is a harbinger of what’s to come, then your downward spiral will continue or possibly even accelerate.
Monty whines: “Your “conversation” is just the same talking points over and over again, tired. You don’t even vary your vocabulary, perhaps because it’s so stunted.”
Uuuhhhh, Monty, we have proven your talking points are TALKING POINTS – you haven’t (simply saying so does not make it so). You just regurgitate the same BS ad nauseum, so why should we vary our “vocabulary” as you say? If using stunted vocabulary is the only way to communicate with simple minds then so be it. If you are offended by it, perhaps you should engage in the actual topic and not attack the messengers.
Until then, the ball has been passed to you to make your arguments rather than regurgitate the same nonsense and use the same tired old tactics.
Again, typical and pathetic.
Yes, reciting those talking points really proved that you don’t use talking points, tired. Typical pathetic dumbed down pathetic drone talking point pathetic moocher looter pathetic.
Moderator: again not commenting on topic, but attacks others.
Wow, Monty (jeffy) your problem with reading comprehension has reared its ugly head once again.
Obviously, you did not get the part that you have not proven anything while we have proven that you do use dumbed down talking points.
Try again, drone. We know it is hard for your simple little single thread brain for you to understand but you will have to do it all over.
Again, defend the indefensible if you are brave enough rather than attack the messenger.
Pathetic.
“Obviously, you did not get the part that you have not proven anything while we have proven that you do use dumbed down talking points.”
Well, that part only exists in your mind. Good talking point, though–dumbed down and pathetic, just like the “Obama Lapdog Media” (which is hilarious) and “it’s not fair to cite the Bush administration for stuff that the Bush administration did” talking points you trotted out in this thread. Good job.
I know the conservative commenters on this blog don’t exactly provide a surfeit of intellectual horsepower, Mark, but of all the candidates here to make an actual blogger, you chose tired? Do you have a particular affinity for the bottom of the barrel?
moderator: It appears that Monty cannot comment on the topic, but only attack others on this blog. Is this a sign of his “intellectual horsepower” and/or a sign of a small mind?
So Monty (jeffy) did Bush make the Atlanta school system cheat on the test scores? Or did they do this themselves??
Hmmmm?
Again, you attack the messenger while not commenting on the topic. You also have not proven anything I have said are talking points.
the only one so far that has not shown any intellectual honesty or “horsepower” is you.
Try again, drone.
So, tired (drone), did the “Obama Lapdog Media” (hilarious) make the Atlanta school system cheat on the test scores?
Here are your talking points for this thread:
“liberal media bias!”
“No fair blaming Bush for Bush administration stuff!”
And really, that’s as deep as you go here. And that’s as deep as it’s possible for you to go, given that, well, you’re not very smart. We have a story about cheating on standardized tests in Atlanta; the likely rationale for said cheating is an attempt to juke the stats to get more NCLB funding–if you want more funding you need higher scores.
From this very simple story, you launch into talking points about the “Obama Lapdog Media” (what, exactly does Obama have to do with this? And why is it that you don’t have a problem with the media’s he said/she said style of reporting when it gets wingnut talking points repeated on-air sans fact check [according to you, fact checking is evidence of liberal bias]) and some rant about Bush because Bush signed NCLB into law.
Like I said, Mark must have some affinity for the bottom of the barrel to make you an actual blogger, as your posting is stupid even if we grade on a conservative curve. And there’s no indication that you’ll get any better, either. You’ll just spout talking points nonstop and consider that a job well done.
Moderator: Again, Monty posts nothing but baseless attacks. NCLB had nothing to do with the Atlanta cheating scandal, if Monty (or ABC for that matter) did any actual fact checking he would see the test was instituted long before Bush became President and NCLB was passed.
His constant attacks are getting tiresome.
Monty is able to produce exactly what “he” has produced under different names, and exactly what the other trolls have produced.
That is, nothing but nastiness, insults, and vitriol, seasoned with lies.
Not one of them has ever explained a reason for supporting the Leftist political model. Nope, this appears to be of no interest to them. They were recruited to the Left by the promise that they could exhibit their personality disorders and wallow in their inherent vileness and pretend it is validated because they do so under the pretense of making political commentary.
Yet their “political commentary” is always completely free of politics, and consists of nothing but snarling, spitting, name-calling, evasion of actual ideas, and nonstop illustrations of really disturbing viciousness.
Their contributions to the world of actual political discourse is on the level of used Kleenex, full of snot and nothing but distasteful and ugly litter.
Cheese with that whine, Amazona?
Moderator: Try “Cheese with that wine, Amazona?”. “whine” is implied. For someone who claims to be so learned you demonstrate it very poorly.
Again, Monty (jeffy) has nothing to present, just attacks other bloggers.
Monty (jeffy) fails:
“Here are your talking points for this thread:
“liberal media bias!”
“No fair blaming Bush for Bush administration stuff!””
ok….
So you deny a liberal media bias…
Again, how did Bush force Atlanta to cheat?
You whined that by simply saying something does not make it a fact.
There have been countless posts proving that the media has a liberal bias from academicians to the media itself.
You again have proven nothing but attack the messenger and other bloggers.
You once again demonstrate the small mind of a liberal who believes he knows everything. In short, you are a loud voice in a very small room filled with useful idiot liberal drones.
As Timmy the Tax Cheat says, “it sucks to be you”.
I love how you have to respond to my posts as the moderator, tired. Pretty pathetic display. But you simply can’t do any better, as you can only parrot pathetic talking points and claim that repeating them makes them true.
I also love how you attack the source (“liberal media bias!!!!!!!!!!!”) while claiming that attacking the source is wrong. But I get it–you have no real point to make, but you have your talking points, and dammit, you’re going to spout them.
You should be happy neocon is around; as long as he is, you’re only the second dumbest winger here.
Moderator: Stating the FACT, “liberal media bias”, is an attack? Again, you can’t defend the pro-obama media’s defense of cheating and blaming Bush when he and NCLB had nothing to do with it – AS WE HAVE PROVEN. You have proven nothing.
Geez, you really vomited up quite the word salad there, didn’t you, tired/moderator?
First of all, “liberal media bias” isn’t a fact, it’s a talking point, but I understand that you don’t think there’s a difference between the two. This is one of your more severe intellectual limitations.
Second of all, I ask once again what Obama has to do with this. You keep throwing his name in when even you have admitted it doesn’t have anything to do with anything. Can’t remember your own words–another one of your intellectual limitations.
Third of all, where exactly is the media “defending” cheating? The media is merely reporting what people involved are saying–the same he said/she said style of reporting that raises no hackles from you when right-wing stupidity (such as what you routinely exhibit) is uncritically reported.
Moderator: Since when does the media just pass on information blindly without checking for accuracy? Oh wait, did Dan Rather report on this??? Normally, when a Republican (or any non-liberal) utters some accusation and it is not true, the media will call him/her on it. We have seen them and their faulty “corrections” of statements made by Bachemen. Again, the obAMATEUR favorable media gives the Atlanta school system a pass for cheating and lets the baseless and inaccurate accusation (that I have proved) “It’s Bush’s fault!!!” go unchallenged and uncorrected. You have not proven it is correct other than regurgitating leftist talking points. Prove it or STFU.
Nice triumvirate of failure there, tired. I can’t wait to see how you compound it, though given your limitations, you may just content yourself to scream your talking points yet again and call it a day.
Wow, in the process of being a coward and running away to the safe confines of your stupid, stupid talking points, you doubled down on your failure.
Moderator: Wow!! you are repeating yourself a sure sign of limited intellectual ability.
You’ve gone beyond embarrassing yourself, tired. This is just plain sad. Next you’re going to vomit up your hilarious claim that fact-checking is evidence of liberal bias, right?
Moderator: no that is not what I said. Must you change an argument at the pathetic attempt of making a non-argument. I said the lack of fact-checking in favor of liberal arguments while putting non-liberal arguments under a microscope is a sign of liberal bias. But why let what I actually said confuse the argument. What you said is the only way for you to make a point, then that is your problem.
I’d suggest that you take your own advice and STFU, but at this point, you don’t really have much left to salvage, so why not find a way to make things somehow even worse for yourself?
Moderator: My arguments still stand unchallenged due to your lack of proof behind your arguments. You haven’t proved anything – just repeated yourself verbatim over and over and over and over. Debate or go away.
Pathetic.
I don’t know this for a fact, but I’m guessing that tiredoflibs is a guest author. Is that a problem?
spook
only for the asshat trolls.
Spook,
Actually, Tired is one of our new writers – we just haven’t properly introduced him, yet.
Monty (jeffy) fails again at reading comprehension:
“From this very simple story, you launch into talking points about the “Obama Lapdog Media” (what, exactly does Obama have to do with this? ”
I never said obAMATEUR had anything to do with it. I said (I will type very slowly since this is too far above your head) that the obama lagdog media defends the Atlanta cheaters.
Wow, for someone who claims to be so learned, you really have trouble with clearly written statements – it must be Alinsky’s tactics spewing forth for you to make such a blunder.
Pathetic.
So Obama has nothing to do with it, you just wanted to toss his name in there because you think it makes your stupid talking point sound less stupid. Hint: It had the opposite effect. But I don’t expect you to do any better.
Again (reading comprehension is foreign to you), Monty (jeffy), it is an obAMATEUR friendly media. That is a FACT you cannot dispute and it makes you angry and you throw tantrums. Therefore, you find that you have not alternative but to attack.
Comment on topic, jeffy, if you have the guts.
Moderator: More equivalence of the Simpsons mentality.
wow, jeffy, you still have not proven a thing – just regurgitate the same old BS.
I’ll ask again, how did Bush make these teachers cheat on a test that was instituted in 2000 before he became president and long before Kennedy’s NCLB was passed?
You keep dodging these questions and the topic.
You have proven to be a coward.
Moderator: No answer to the challenges just more attacks from a simple minded drone. Debate or go away.
jeffy blathers as a talking point: ““it’s not fair to cite the Bush administration for stuff that the Bush administration did””.
And I asked AGAIN, you seem to think that Bush should not be blamed is a talking point, then how did Bush make them cheat as the obAMATEUR lapdog media defended????
It is a simple question in response to you pathetic claims. Now back them up or STFU!
Bardolf; just what have you been smoking?
“You and your ilk will guarantee an Obama victory in 2012. Some nice guys like Neo and GMB might vote GOP under duress but others won’t.”
Thanks for the laugh!
jeffy whines about limitations. But all he has done is keep regurgitating the exact same thing – “it is nothing but talking points”.
While myself and others have given multiple responses with different arguments proving that the liberal biased media will defend the Atlanta schools because it is somehow in their twisted world “Bush’s fault”.
Monty (jeffy) does not want to engage. He has been challenged several times on different points and all he does is regurgitate the same nonsense and attack.
Moderator: Monty (jeffy) again continues to choose to attack rather than debate the actual topic of the thread.
He has been challenged time and again only to regurgitate the same nonsense. He was warned.
Moderator: Whines about more of the same. Stop the lame attacks, answer the questions and debate or lose your useless words.
Moderator: More of the same whining. Accusing others of what he did the whole time. He is a coward, plain and simple. If you answer the questions and debate the topic you comments will remain. Attacks get you just as slammed as your pathetic talking points proved wrong.
Exactly– Bravo, tired. Bravo.
Moderator: Only words worth keeping after another string of attacks, vitriol and dodging the challenges and topic AGAIN!!!
No running jeffy.
Just waiting for you to respond to the challenges offered while stopping your cowardly dodges and attacks.
Your delusions and actual reality are two different things.
Do try to keep up. Again, waiting for your responses to legitimate and PROVEN questions.
Answer if you have the guts or will you continue to actually hid from them?
Running away is not running away, tired? Boy, you really do know how to double down on rank cowardice. It’s kind of sad how easy it was to smack you down.
I wonder, though: Is English your first language? You are exhibiting problems with vocabulary — not knowing what things like “proof,” “fact,” “equivalence,” and now “running away” mean — and if it’s the result of you trying to learn English as a new language, I’ll cut you some slack.
Moderator: Monty (jeffy) continues with his broken record style of writing delusions. Still no response to the challenges posed to him.
tired
jeffy = troll 101
Moderator: No debating, just more mindless insults and regurgitating dumbed down talking points. He refuses to respond to the challenges – disprove with linked facts. We have made our case, now it is time to make yours.
I already made my case upthread, and you have utterly failed to respond.
Moderator: Now you are resorting to outright lying. You proved nothing other than repeating statements. Remember, you said that simply saying it does not make it true. You provided no links or quotes – nothing – to back up your assertions.
Which is why I continue to mock you for your incredibly stupid recitation of talking points–you really do lack the intellectual capability to do anything other than parrot talking points, don’t you? And you’re such a coward that you have to flee from anything that points out this blatantly obvious problem of yours.
Moderator: The only parroting is your regurgitation of the same nonsense: “That is a talking point.” Again, saying it over and over and over does not make it true. I have asked you to prove it and as in above you resort to attacks since you cannot prove anything.
But hey, if you weren’t a mindless parrot and a coward, you wouldn’t be a wingnut, right? Goes with the territory.
Moderator: Again, nothing new here. You are the only one parroting yourself. Your broken record style of writing means nothing and has zero credibility. But hey, if you want to keep your status as a mindless drone then so be it.
Just because you clearly can’t deal with my case (what case – dismissing everything without sources?) doesn’t mean I haven’t presented it, tired. Is there no limit to your cowardice?
I sort of enjoyed leveling you in this thread, but now I’m starting to feel guilty about it. You’re just so easy to chump.
Moderator: YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNN…… More delusional and wishful thinking. You haven’t presented anything other than “(whining) that’s talking points” and personal insults and attacks. But hey, if that is the only way you can feel good about yourself be my guest. The only thing you are feeling guilty about is the fact that you missed your chance at an informative education and just managed to scoot by. Your posts, lack of reading comprehension, illogical and non-existent arguments are proof of your short-comings.
Ok, Monty(jeffy) here is another example of an obAMATEUR Lapdog Media behavior that give obAMATEUR a pass for obvious LIES.
obAMATEUR claims that “80% of the American people want a tax increase”.
The pResident makes a claim and the obAMATEUR friendly press simply regurgitates it without question or fact checking.
I won’t hold my breath for you to make a legitimate argument with sources. For you, it will be personal attacks and dumbed down talking point regurgitation.