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Barack Obama: My Grandmother is a “Typical White Person”
March 21st, 2008 at 06:00pm Matt Margolis
Wow, when I heard this clip on the radio today, I was shocked. Absolutely shocked:
On Philadelphia radio station WIP 610, Obama explained why he cited his white grandmother’s fear of black men in a speech Tuesday. He wasn’t saying that she holds racial animosity, but that “she is a typical white person,” Obama said, adding: “If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way.”
A “typical white person?”
Obamaniacs can try to claim that Jeremiah Wright’s sermons are irrelevant, but this comment, Obama’s own words, cannot be written off. Obama essentially implied that white people are racists. As a white person, Obama must have meant me as well when he suggested that white people are immediately afraid when they see a black person walking down the street. All I can say is “wow.” What an incredibly bad thing for Obama to say.
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1. Christian Wright | March 21st, 2008 at 6:11 pm
The typical White person walking alone on the street would feel some anxiety if he/she saw a group of young White men heading in his/her direction, but the fear is amplified if the group is of another race.
The typical Black person walking alone on the street would feel some anxiety if he/she saw a group of young Blacks heading in his/her direction, and that fear is also amplified if the group is of another race.
We all fear the unknown and that is good. Fear is a survival instinct. Fear is not racism.
2. NeoClown | March 21st, 2008 at 6:17 pm
In Swahili, the name Barack Obama means Lazy Mule, or Jack Ass.
3. winnowhead | March 21st, 2008 at 6:27 pm
We all harbor prejudices, conscious or not. Obama is stating the obvious, and you’re grasping at straws.
4. Dennis | March 21st, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Here’s a new perspective on Obama someone shared with me today. And it’s almost the 41st anniversary of it.
After a speech on April 4, 1967 another black preacher was criticized for “condoning violence”. In his speech he responded to the growing violence in inner city minority neighborhoods. He recognized that their behavior was no different than that of the U.S. government and said:
“My third reason moves to an even deeper level of awareness, for it grows out of my experience in the ghettoes of the North over the last three years - especially the last three summers. As I have walked among the desperate, rejected and angry young men I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action.
“But they asked - and rightly so - what about Vietnam? They asked if our own nation wasn’t using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted.
“Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today - my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent.”
Of course, the preacher was Martin Luther King, Jr. The full text of the speech can be found at http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/058.html
Just maybe Sen. Obama knew what he was talking about in his recent speech on racism in America. We’ve not confronted this ugly subject and therefore little has really changed.
Diverting the discussion to Obama’s grandmother and pretending to be shocked - absolutely shocked! is such a pusillanimous response to an issue of substance that it could come only from the Mark ‘n’ Matt sandbox.
5. Rich | March 21st, 2008 at 6:40 pm
“The typical White person walking alone on the street would feel some anxiety if he/she saw a group of young White men heading in his/her direction, but the fear is amplified if the group is of another race.”
Wow Christian. Nice spin. Obama didn’t say walking alone with blacks headed in her direction, he just said “sees on the street”. As in, the average white person is scared of black people on the street. You know, walking their dogs, grabbing a newspaper enjoying the evening, etc… Do you think maybe somone might be walking in your direction anyways because maybe they are headed that way? This is pure crap and you know it. Besides, the statement that its typical for all races to be scared of different races is false on its head. Who do Mexicans have to be afraid of in Humboldt Park? Other mexicans. Who did blacks have to fear in Cabrini Green. Sure wasn’t whitey, it was other blacks. You are just another race pimping hustler trying to keep the divisions going. I’ve taught in some pretty bad schools, and believe me, thoise kids were not scared of white people, they had very serious and real problems from their own kind to deal with. Do you shudder in fear every time a black man whisks past you? Kinda sounds like it. I myself don’t have that problem, and most typical white people I know don’t either. This is coming from somone stabbed by a black man as well. I guess i have this thing about not stereotyping a whole race for the actions of others. gee whats that called again? Oh ya, racism.
6. Barack Obama: My Grandmot&hellip | March 21st, 2008 at 7:02 pm
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7. Magnum Serpentine | March 21st, 2008 at 7:14 pm
I am sure if a person digs deep enough they can find dirt on just about anyone.
This election year, is the worse that I have seen for digging up dirt, the republicans are the leaders of the gutter patrol.
I wish it would stop, and we would discuss, not debate, discuss issues like the failing economy, failing education under every child left behind act and the disastrous george war.
8. Some Assembly Required | March 21st, 2008 at 7:16 pm
“If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way.”
You seem to forget he said this in your analysis. Yet again you only pick up on she was a ‘typical white person’ and ignore the point Obama was making.
Can you honestly tell me if you walk down the street and see someone you do not know regardless of skin color theres not this thought in the back of your head wondering if they’re carrying a knife or are going to mug you? What the person is wearing is more often than not more relevant than there skin color. (Take a black man wearing a suit vs a white man with a leather jacket and a hoodie or vice-versa).
Your arguments on this issue are becoming more absurd by the day. Obama never mad a point he said ‘typical white person’ like were all the same. I’ve never made a joke at the expense of a black man. It’s only black men that can do that. Keep living in your dream world my friend. I certain wouldn’t want to foot the psychiatrist bill when your bubble bursts.
9. Some Assembly Required | March 21st, 2008 at 7:18 pm
7. Magnum Serpentine | March 21st, 2008 at 7:14 pm
They cannot discuss these issues because it would mean accepting responsibility that they are in fact failing and it is due to the bush administration. So instead, Obama called his Grandmother a ‘Typical White Person’ is what we get.
10. Rich | March 21st, 2008 at 7:29 pm
I’d love to talk about your statement about “failing education under every child left behind act”. Why do you have a negative opinion of NCLB? So when do you think our public education system started going bad? Was it great in 1999 and then hit the skids? Just who do you think is in control of the Teacher’s Union? Do you feel that the Teacher’s union looks out for the students in any way? I’d love to hear what you think, although i can guess what I’m going to hear.
11. Jeremiah | March 21st, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Rev. Wright complains as if white people are getting special treatment in the school system, and blames white people for black childrens education…Well, whose fault is that? White people? Of course not! White school teachers? No. The black children themselves? No. Then whose is it? The black childrens parents!!! They don’t want to take the time to see to it that they get an education. And the same goes for white children who don’t get an education. We have a major morality and parenting problem in America, and one of the greatest things that parents are neglecting to teach their children is the Bible and taking them to church, where they will be given the traditional moral standards that make family and civilization work….They way it’s supposed to!
–Jeremiah–
12. Christian Wright | March 21st, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Dennis:
I think you have a very good point.
Was part of the reason Bush had no problem about invading Iraq, using depleted uranium munitions, using WP and cluster bombs in urban areas because he is a racist.
He is not murdering White people. He is not even murdering Christians. I think Bush can sleep soundly at night because he does not believe the people he is killing matter.
13. William Teach | March 21st, 2008 at 7:55 pm
I see that once again, or, should I write, as always, the progressives are failing to address the actual topic of the post, and instead going off on the same old topics.
But, to play along, remind me who was one of the main architects of NCLB? Oh, yes, that’s right, it was Ted Kennedy. Goodness!
Meanwhile, imagine the outrage if McCain, Bush, or any conservative said “typical Black person.” I guess reverse racism is OK with the progressives, who, last time I checked, were against the end of slavery, were mostly against the Civil Rights Act, and you know the rest.
14. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 7:55 pm
The usual DNC Obamabots are in their usual excuse and spin mode in re: to racism. Of course this is liberal racism so there’s nothing new or unusual about that.
It’s amusing how mild mannered they are about it and how ready they are with an explanation that either condones or explains the validity of the inherent racist comments from der leaders.
It’s wonderful to be liberal and responsible for nothing.
15. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Christian,
I have evidence that you are the racist. Time to run away again.
10. Christian Wright | January 4th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Edwards is the only viable male white candidate. He will come out on top in the end.
It is sad that people cannot see past race, gender and faith; but that is the case. Edwards will win the nomination because he deserves it and because he is the right race and gender.
4. Christian Wright | January 5th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Mercenaries are paid to murder.
Why would you put anything past them?
14. Christian Wright | January 5th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Islamofacism, Christofacism: it is all the same.
16. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 8:03 pm
What “issues” would you like to discuss SAR? Look over there, it’s a puppy!
17. Diana Powe | March 21st, 2008 at 8:07 pm
The most comical aspect of this is that even Chris Wallace of Fox News felt impelled to complain about the way Fox & Friends was presenting this which was essentially the way Matt wants to. In fact, even Brian Kilmeade got disgusted with his co-anchors and walked off the set. Keep up the good work, Matt!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/mayhem-at-fox-news-ancho_n_92743.html
18. Aaron | March 21st, 2008 at 8:13 pm
He didn’t add later, “If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know…”
The actual sentence was all together: “She is a typical white person, who if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way.”
Hey - it’s a statement of truth. A lot of white people are obviously afraid of or uncomfortable around blacks on the street, especially white women of Obama’s grandmother’s generation. And they sometimes say ignorant things bred from that fear.
Get over it. Can we move on to something important? Obama gave a major speech on Iraq and another on the economy this week. But instead you ninnies want to take a snippet out of context that Barack said in extemporaneous remarks on a radio show and get all twittered about it.
You ding-dongs are like Pavlov’s dogs - so easily manipulated by faux-outrage.
19. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Oh a link to the Huffington post. What a reasoned and well balanced website that is. Thanks.
Let’s shoot the messenger to, it sucks when liberals actually have to address and be accountable for their failings.
20. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 8:16 pm
I think Barack is just a typical black person.
21. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 8:20 pm
“Don’t tell me words don’t matter” - Barack Obama February 18, 2008.
22. Tractatus | March 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Can’t bear to watch the videos, huh, neocon? Poor baby. Are you going to freak out again? Because that was pretty funny.
PS: You keep using the word “racist.” It doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means. But lacking very basic understanding is nothing new for you.
23. NeoClown | March 21st, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Obama is definitely a typical black person.
24. Baxter Greene | March 21st, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Lets see,we have a Presidential candidate that refers to Wright as his “Mentor”,”spiritual leader”,and was a member of his campaign that tells his congregation:
“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America”
“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,” Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.
“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost,” he told his congregation.”
Obama supported this line of thinking and we are not supposed to question his judgment.
Liberals can excuse these lies and propaganda but a
lot of Americans have chosen to call him on it.
We have a Presidential candidate who supported
a church for 20 years that believes:
Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy.
But apparently draws the line at “nappy headed hoes”:
“I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus,” Obama told ABC News, “but I would also say that there’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude.”
Obama said he appeared once on Imus’ show two years ago, and “I have no intention of returning.”
And liberals are tripping over themselves spinning how this racist bigotry and hypocrisy somehow doesn’t matter.
Now we have more “Hope” and “change” from the
church that believes in the genocide of white people:
here’s the link
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/31079.html
Jesus is black. Merging Marxism with Christian Gospel may show the way to a better tomorrow. The white church in America is the Antichrist because it supported slavery and segregation.
But apparently Obama’s mentor feels that advocating genocide makes them true Christians.
Watching you liberals defend this bigotry and propaganda is showing the nation just how morally
and ethically bankrupt the democratic party has become.
25. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 8:31 pm
I think we should all listen to Aaron, Diana, SAR and Christian. There is NO racism in America. Let’s talk about other, more important issues.
This is a great day for America.
26. Jeremiah | March 21st, 2008 at 8:34 pm
My brother told me about the time when he arrived at a motel, he said whenever he got there, he stepped out of the vehicle and started walking up the sidewalk to go in and pay for his room, he looked back and there was a black man walking up and cut across the street real fast so he could get ahead of him going into the hotel room. Lucas said he tried to veer away because he didn’t know what the man was up to, but he couldn’t escape him. The man walked up, and said, “Man, what’s wrong wit’ you, bro, ain’t no-one gonna’ hurt you.” and Lucas asked him, “You’re wantin’ cigarettes ain’t ya?” The man said, “Yeah”. My brother gave him 50 cents and the man said, “Oooh, the Laud gonna bless you, brotha.” and then just walked off.
What if my brother hadn’t have gave him the 50 cents?
You never know about people!
–Jeremiah–
27. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Yes, tractatus, I have no idea what racism means and I am afraid to watch the videos.
But I now understand what you mean by “out of context” because just after Wright said that:
“If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.”
He went on to say the he wants to embrace diversity and those of a lighter skin color because we are all brothers. But again I was too afraid to watch it. I only heard that from a typical black person.
28. Michael | March 21st, 2008 at 8:46 pm
God always taught in the Scriptures of people to be “color” blind. We all sinned and come short of the glory of God. No race is any better nor any worse. However, we are living in a day in age with the likes of Obama who makes a statement about his grandmother being a typical white person when explaining her fear of blacks. It’s racism, and it’s also quite hard to believe Obama didn’t know about his Pastor’s views between the races. He was drawn to that so-called church because of it’s emphasis on race, and so-called; “black pride.” Rev Wright teaches about division, rather than unity…He teaches race is who you are besides what’s inside of you. While it’s very sad that blacks had to endure racism, and in some cases still do, the solution to the problem is not more racism.
29. Tractatus | March 21st, 2008 at 8:50 pm
I have no idea what racism means and I am afraid to watch the videos.
Well, thanks for admitting it. that’s the first step toward curing your ignorance. Best of luck with your journey.
(PS: I was talking about these videos, genius.)
30. js | March 21st, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Cloaking racism with Christian beliefs is nothing new. The KKK have been doing it for over a hundred years. Before them, Hitler pulled it off.
The Arabs have been disguising prejudice for 1400 years behind Islam. The Koran calls black people raisins. Its true.
Its racism. Not matter how you shake it, no matter how you bake it. Its based in superiority ideals of one race over another. Its an evil thats about as old as time itself.
So dont try to spin the truth into a lie. The truth doesnt change, you just end up with another lie.
31. Jeremiah | March 21st, 2008 at 8:55 pm
God always taught in the Scriptures of people to be “color” blind. We all sinned and come short of the glory of God. No race is any better nor any worse.
Amen, Michael!
From the old Sunday school song - Jesus Loves the Little children of the world…
Red, Yellow, Black & White, they are precious in His sight!
–Jeremiah–
32. Baxter Greene | March 21st, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Here is another interesting article on the foundation and theology of Obama’s church:
During the black-power heyday of the late 1960s, after the murder of the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr, the mentors of Wright decided that blacks were the Chosen People. James Cone, the most prominent theologian in the “black liberation” school, teaches that Jesus Christ himself is black. As he explains:
Christ is black therefore not because of some cultural or psychological need of black people, but because and only because Christ really enters into our world where the poor were despised and the black are, disclosing that he is with them enduring humiliation and pain and transforming oppressed slaves into liberating servants.
Theologically, Cone’s argument is as silly as the “Aryan Christianity” popular in Nazi Germany, which claimed that Jesus was not a Jew at all but an Aryan Galilean, and that the Aryan race was the “chosen people”. Cone, Hopkins and Wright do not propose, of course, to put non-blacks in concentration camps or to conquer the world, but racially-based theology nonetheless is a greased chute to the nether regions.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JC18Aa01.html
I have not seen anything in the theology of Obama’s
church that brings me “Hope” that we will all unite
and not judge each other by the color of our skins.
33. What? | March 21st, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Jeremiah,
Thank you. Your last comment demonstrated that when an unknown black person approaches a white person, the white person feels anxiety and anticipates the black person will rob him.
This was Barack Obama’s point. But not according to others on this site. As Stephen Colbert might say: “They don’t see race.”
To be fair, their reaction is a a result of political correctness gone horribly wrong. The notion that if we did not discuss race it would just go away was in hindsight a mistake. Someone we now have to unlearn this tactic so that we don’t stand around shouting “racist” at one another when we point out a truth like the one Obama pointed out above.
Another question to Jeremiah:
Say the Bible was taught in our schools. What if a steudent stood up and said the Bible was all a lie and that everyone should follow another religion: say Buddihism? What if this student did this every time the teacher said the Bible was the word of God? What should happen to this child? Just curious?
34. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 9:12 pm
This is truly a great day for America. According to our resident liberals, there is NO racism in America and there are other more important domestic issues to discuss. And, liberals are now referring to Fox News to support their assertions, dispelling the notion that Fox is merely a front for the GOP.
What a day!
35. Byzantine138 | March 21st, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Is it racist to realize that the black community has been manipulated, drugged, and malformed by the liberal agenda? With all the illegal drugs, cultist public schooling, and moral relativism flooding their communities its a wonder they survive. It seems as if what Obama calls a “typical white person” is really just a cautious and informed American!
36. Baxter Greene | March 21st, 2008 at 9:25 pm
More superior intellect from the super intelligent liberal elite:
“He has the ability to help us bridge the divide of religious extremism,” Kerry said. “To maybe even give power to moderate Islam to be able to stand up against this radical misinterpretation of a legitimate religion.”
Kerry was asked what gives Obama that credibility.
“Because he’s African-American. Because he’s a black man. Who has come from a place of oppression and repression through the years in our own country.”
An African-American president would be “a symbol of empowerment” for those who have been disenfranchised around the world, Kerry said, “an important lesson for America to show Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, other places in the world where disenfranchised people don’t get anything.”
According to super intelligent Kerry,you don’t have to have a realistic and credible foreign policy,you can
just run around telling everybody you are the oppressed black man that made it in America of KKK.
What is really striking about Kerry’s case for Obama, though, is that it rests on what may be the crudest stereotyping we have ever observed. Commentary’s Abe Greenwald has a chuckle over Kerry’s racial stereotyping of Obama:
Where is this “place of oppression and repression” in which Obama has suffered “through the years”? Hawaii? Harvard? The Senate? We should find out immediately and do something about this horrific crisis.
http://online.wsj.com/article/best_of_the_web_today.html
Talk about falling down the freaking rabbit hole,
what a complete idiot.
37. Mark Noonan | March 21st, 2008 at 9:25 pm
SAR,
Well, no, I don’t worry that someone coming towards me on the street is a threat unless they appear threatening. “Black skin” is not one of the things I put into the “possible threat” catagory…”dressed like a gangster”, now that sets off some alarm bells.
38. Jeremiah | March 21st, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Say the Bible was taught in our schools. What if a steudent stood up and said the Bible was all a lie and that everyone should follow another religion: say Buddihism? What if this student did this every time the teacher said the Bible was the word of God? What should happen to this child? Just curious?
What?
Well, you’ve got it sort of backwards.
If you take it on the merits of what Christ taught, through Love and Forgiveness, then there should be no problem with all students of every background being able to share their particular points of view on religion, and what their faith teaches. Faith is a great thing, especially when it is in Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of mankind.
But these days, teachers don’t want any Faith or Forgiveness and the traditional morals that come with it. I can’t stress to you enough how good it is for society ….. yet, our teachers want to teach non-believing trash, with no substance to it. This is why we have the racial divide in America.
If you’ve ever read Robert Bork’s book, you can see that our colleges and universities are racially biased to a high degree - like when he said, and I remember this clearly from reading his book–something to the effect, If a white male doesn’t get into Harvard or Yale then he doesn’t get into Harvard or Yale ever, and likely that he won’t get into any famous college ever.
He puts it into context when he says this - “Despite the incessant talk about raism, by white liberals as well as blacks, racism has never been at a lower ebb. Yet black anger seems at its zenith.” And it’s true!
Instead of using one’s race as a crutch, and paranoid conspiracy theories, why don’t they strive toward greatness?
Paranoia is another thing many are going to have to get over, people like Lewis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton, and that other guy that runs the New Black Panther Party! They are only feeding this monster of racial division, and it needs to stop!
Come together as one in Christ, who sees us all the same!
True, no two people are going to think alike, or act alike, but if society is ever going to work better it’s going to have to accept Jesus’s teachings as their source for hope, their ONLY hope!
–Jeremiah–
39. Diana Powe | March 21st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
neocon,
Don’t get too excited there. The fact that Chris Wallace might have enough of his father in him that he even he had to object to something on Official State Television only demonstrates even more decisively what a propaganda front the FNC is. Also, you may natter on with your “liberals now agree there is not racism in America” all you wish, but, frankly it only makes you look that much more desperate in your attempts to count coup.
40. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
>>Well, you’ve got it sort of backwards. - Jeremiah<<
Jeremiah,
That staement is always a “given” when addressing liberals.
41. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Diana,
Don’t pay any attention to faux noise, that incident was staged and you’re just gullible enough to buy into it.
And you may want to look in the mirror to see desperation. There’s currently a lot of shoveling going on at the DNC. And nary a word from Hillary. What do you bet that she and Bill are quietly working the super delgates behind the scenes? This is getting fun. But no need to worry, Demobots love both candidates, right?
42. Mortimer | March 21st, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Wow, as far as his grandma goes, at least someone in his family had common sense.
43. Mortimer | March 21st, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Hey Byzantine,
I call your nonsense right wing political correctness, you are just blaming a different group of whites for black’s problems like the other type. Oh yeah, as a Jew, I am so happy that our schools don’t shove that theocon Xtian trash down people’s throats anymore. Do you think your silly prayers make you such great people, yet you have the gall to call the liberals crazy and irrational and claim some rational high ground while you choke on your mickey mouse theocon nonsense and scoff at Science you don’t approve off
44. Darva Conger | March 21st, 2008 at 10:14 pm
My comments await moderation forever and then never get posted.
45. Byzantine138 | March 21st, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Mortimer,
My silly prayers do indeed have power! We the just and noble pray for guidance and the good Lord has given us many tasks to complete. He orders us to stop the liberal homofascist agenda and reclaim the Christian land of America in his holy name.
Since we are a people of love and tolerance we welcome all colors and creeds to live in our blessed land. Just don’t try and weasel your politics back into our civilized order.
46. What? | March 21st, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Jeremiah,
What is frightening is that you will “forgive” them for their comment, as if expressing their belief is a flaw.
As for your discussion of racism, I think you should reconsider your argument. Here is your logic: Racism use to be really bad. Now it is just bad. So we should be happy and stop talking about it.
Neocon,
If you want anyone on here to take your arguments seriously, I don’t think you want to assoicate yourself with Jeremiah’s brand of logic.
47. Some Assembly Required | March 21st, 2008 at 10:44 pm
25. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Clearly you haven’t been listening or you wouldn’t make such an asinine post like this. Still a little sore from last nights thread are we?
37. Mark Noonan | March 21st, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Mark, Exactly my point. Where did Obama say it was ‘Black skin’ people she was afraid of
“If she sees SOMEBODY on the street that she doesn’t know…”
“Dressed in gangster clothing” you mean ‘Modern Societies’ ‘typical black man’ right. Please move on from this. You are no longer discussing racist and hatred, you are perpetuating. So I ask you sir, for the good of the country focus on the issues.
48. js | March 21st, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Maybe mort would actually appreciate the sodomites taking over Byzantine. His panties are all up in a wad about Christians, maybe he deserves it….
49. js | March 21st, 2008 at 10:49 pm
If you would use a little common sense instead of playing the naive imputent, you might actually figure it out SAR.
But I doubt it. You dont have the initiative.
50. js | March 21st, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Ed. Note: Joke deleted.
51. Some Assembly Required | March 21st, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Funny, Last time I check Obama wasn’t a high ranking offical in the Bush Administration.
52. js | March 21st, 2008 at 10:57 pm
the moral of the story is just that, obama only looks impotent, there is no means to an end, he is all talk, and no common sense
53. js | March 21st, 2008 at 11:18 pm
The “white community,” said Barack, must start “acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination — and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past — are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds … .”
And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?
The “white community” must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with “ladders of opportunity” that were “unavailable” to Barack’s and the Rev. Wright’s generations.
What is wrong with Barack’s prognosis and Barack’s cure?
Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, “everybody but the rioters themselves.”
Was “white racism” really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said — that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.
Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.
Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.
Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
Barack talks about new “ladders of opportunity” for blacks.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25634
54. neocon | March 21st, 2008 at 11:25 pm
SAR is now apparently the self-appointed authority of racial opinions. From now on, would everyone please vet your responses, vis a vis race, through SAR. He has obviously been appointed the head DNC sun slut and official arbiteur of acceptable and unacceptable opinions.
I can’t wait for liberals to be in charge so I don’t have to waste time on reading unapproved comments or unacceptable rhetoric.
55. Jeremiah | March 21st, 2008 at 11:26 pm
What is frightening is that you will “forgive” them for their comment, as if expressing their belief is a flaw.
What?
No! I forgive them! What you see is what you get!
You’re like the weasel–who goes in the easiest route and slaughters all the chickens at once and then wants nothing to do with them, and that’s EXACTLY how liberalism is, always looking for the slightest notion and easiest way to put the argument in your favor with minimal effort….but it doesn’t change a thing. The sad part….Forgiveness, and willingness to accept, will never work unless you try it.
Now you have to start from scratch, all over again.
–Jeremiah–
56. Freedom1 | March 21st, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Reverend Jeremiah Wright, “The God of Harriet Tubman is not the God of G.W.”
57. What? | March 21st, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Hmmm,
Jeremiah, I don’t really understand your analogy. You don’t see anything wrong with the idea of “forgiving” people of believing something differnet than you. More importatnly, you don’t see anything wrong with a Christian government “forgiving” people of believing in other religions?
What I am getting at is you should not forgive those with other belief systems because THEY HAVE DONE NO WRONG that requires forgiveness. Furthermore, we don’t want your forgiveness. We want you to stop telling us about your religion and we want you to stop demanding our government tell us about your religion.
Also, read soemthing other than the Bible and that Robert Bork book. Jeremiah, there is a whole world of ideas out there. Try on a few and see if you like them. It time to give the Christian Fundamentalist suit a day off.
58. What? | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:00 am
js,
Read “Native Son” by Richard Wright. It will change you.
59. Jeremiah | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:07 am
Furthermore, we don’t want your forgiveness. We want you to stop telling us about your religion–What?
See…So what am I supposed to say when you won’t conversate with an open mind? How am I supposed to help when you don’t want to hear it?
How do expect to overcome the racial division if you won’t allow Christ as your source of hope to be spoken about?
–Jeremiah–
60. Freedom1 | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:28 am
“Obama’s Kenyan Family Show Their Pride”
Katie Stallard - Sky News March 21, 2008
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1310214,00.html
I’m not sure what Barack Obama is, but I highly doubt that he’s a Christian. The TUCC theology is not Christian, IMO.
I’m curious as to what others think: Is Barack Obama a Christian or is he something else?
61. Baxter Greene | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:30 am
I read “Native Son”,excellent book and if it is not,should be required reading in school along with
Malcolm X’s autobiography(Haley’s edition).
Some of the better writing and insight into the black experience in America.
The transition of Malcolm from a separatist that was in contrast to Dr. Kings message of unity to one of racial unity post Mecca is an incredible story.
One the Reverend Wright should take a lesson from.
There is no excuse for the ignorance of racism and
it should not be tolerated in any aspect of society.
62. What? | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:45 am
Jeremiah,
You pose the problem you are guilty of having. You don’t have an open mind. You have decided Jesus is your Lord and Savior. You aren’t asking for a dialogue, you are asking for society to adhere to your beliefs.
You are asking for a theocracy based on the faulty belief your religion is tolerant enough to govern those that don’t conform to its tenents. As shown below, you and your Christian friends here are anything but tolerant.
Your belief Christ is the only way to end racial divisons in this country demonstrates your closed-mindedness.
I am pretty sure js has found Christ and he shows outright animosity towards blacks.
Even you believe blacks are “using race as a crutch” and wasting their time with “paranoid conspiracy theories.” This “its your fault” attitude espoused by you and js will not end racial division.
The “”liberals” posting on this site seem more open to ending racial divisions. They aren’t exactly Bible thumping Christians.
63. Diana Powe | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:49 am
neocon,
Even if your evidence-free assertion were true (and what of all the “gullible” Republican FNC viewers who aren’t the beneficiaries of your secret knowledge) all that would prove is that Official State Television was even less of a legitimate news source than it already is. So, thanks for the comic relief on that score.
64. Baxter Greene | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:51 am
There is another book called “Freedom: A photographic history of the African American Struggle”
This book is excellent because it combines an incredible amount of photographic history from slavery on up to recent times along with written information.
I used it to educate my daughter from a very young age on up to be able to see and understand the devastating effects of racism and separatism that was inflicted on the black community.
The importance of Dr. King’s memoirs and his speech’s (along with DVD’s) in providing material
that promotes the importance of unity and the
ignorance of judging people by the color of their skin
is by far the most insightful that you can read(in
my opinion).
Dr. King and a post Mecca Malcolm X, I believe would view Wright and the separatist theology
that Wright and the Black Panther party teach as
bigoted and creating resentment and hatred instead
of bringing people together.
The fact we cannot get their opinion on this has
hurt the progression of race relations immensely (in
my opinion).
65. Jeremiah | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:54 am
What?
Tell me something…
Honestly, if the black community is willing to “forgive and forget” then how do you expect unity?
Let me tell you something, Satan has a way of making you, “I’ll do it my way” just like thousands if not millions have done, but they’ll never come out of it, once you go in that’s it, there’s no escape, you have to call upon Jesus name, and even then it’s too late for some.
And I’m telling you, Hell is waiting!
And that’s all I have to say….go ahead, and say to yourself… “I’ll do it MY way.
–Jeremiah–
66. Jeremiah | March 22nd, 2008 at 1:01 am
Dr. King and a post Mecca Malcolm X, I believe would view Wright and the separatist theology
that Wright and the Black Panther party teach as
bigoted and creating resentment and hatred instead
of bringing people together.
Mr. Baxter,
Oh yes, Martin Luther King was a good man. He was nothing like this Rev. Wright fellow, and Farrakhan, and Sharpton, Jackson and the many others who continue to further division in our Nation.
Martin Luther King was born-again, and he’s with Jesus right now!
–Jeremiah–
67. What? | March 22nd, 2008 at 1:27 am
BG writes,
“There is no excuse for the ignorance of racism and
it should not be tolerated in any aspect of society.”
Sorry, but I think this is too dismissive. Telling Rev Wright he is bad doesn’t address the racial problem in this country.
What needs to be understood is the underlying frustration that created Rev Wright and makes him a popular preacher in Chicago’s black community.
It is the same frustration poster js expresses in comment 53.
Simply put, there is persistent inequality in this country between blacks and whites. There also continues to be persistent prejudice against blacks in this country.
Black America is angry about this inequality and white America is angry about being blamed for it.
Js and Rev Wright are voices of that anger.
Their statements, however, don’t do any good towards solving the problem. But just denouncing them as racists and calling them ignorant really fails to address the problem, either.
To eliminate the anger and frustration and those that voice them you have to eliminate the cause, namely the ineqaluity and prejuidce.
Obama, above all, preaches a desire to do this. He preached it in his speech this past week. He has done so throughout the campaign.
Yes, Obama probably shares some of Wright’s frustration at the inequality and prejudice experienced by blacks. What is wrong with that?
What is important is that he wants to use that frustration in a positive way.
MLK was angry at segragation and those who practiced it. Others around him pushed for more militant action. MLK rose above this anger and united people to his cause. I see Obama doing the same thing.
This entire post is meaningless if one doesn’t accept that inequality and prejudice exist and that, as “Native Son” points out, are not capable of being sourced to any living one person or group. They are part of a lingering condition that goes back centuries and still infects us all to differnet degree. But Obama, like MLK, believes this condition is not a permanant ailment but one that can be overcome.
68. What? | March 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 am
Wow Jeremiah,
So much for open-mindedness. And you want to teach your religion in the schools? I can only guess what you would tell some hindu child who walked into your class.
“Hell! You are going to hell, little Hindu child. Repent! Okay, it 12:00. Lunchtime everyone. Make sure you remind little hindu kids he is going to hell. I can’t do all the work”
69. Jeremiah | March 22nd, 2008 at 2:05 am
Lest we forget…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7cMxJBenigY&feature=related
–Jeremiah–
70. What? | March 22nd, 2008 at 2:15 am
Yeah,
I kind of figured you’d be a big Mel Gibson fan.
71. Doug | March 22nd, 2008 at 2:27 am
All this ‘typical white person’ knows is that for the first time in my life there is a real possibility that my country will elect a racist to be president.
72. What? | March 22nd, 2008 at 2:55 am
Um Doug,
You may want to go back and read your history book. Especially the part about Nixon.
73. TiredofLibBullSh** | March 22nd, 2008 at 7:02 am
It is a know fact, that any white person who used the phrase “Typical ” would be branded a racist for painting a race with such a broad brush.
now here the phrase does not apply. Typical left wing BS. Now the USEFUL IDIOTS are bending over backwards to protect their guy when he is being held to the standards for public figures they themselves have set.
Typical left wing hypocrisy. It is sad really. They praise Obama for his speech on race saying how courageous he is for speaking out. When several other African-Americans have done the same - they were labeled by other African-Americans as “Uncle Toms”.
Again, typical left wing BS and hypocrisy. There is a double standard by the left. If whites and Republicans do they are racists and/or “causes of concern”. If the left does it, “he is courageous”, “no big deal”, “so what” and other . This has been illustrated by the lefty trolls who stalk this blog in both instances.
74. js | March 22nd, 2008 at 7:56 am
58. What?,
Read “Native Son” by Richard Wright. It will change you.
———————-
A novel about the self convcted black ego converging on the realization that thier white masters enslaved them and refuse to let them free?
I dont think so.
You should move up into the real world. Novels just dont get it. Appreciating the self conviction of free men only tends to encourage thier self image of slavery instead of encouraging them to assimilate into the society as free men.
These people telling blacks that whitey is so evil are believing it, and that what holds them back. Thier dream, ambitions, goals, all of them are shapped by the belief that white men keep them down and poor and weak and addicted to drugs.
Its an excuse. Get them out of the ghetto, assimilate them with society and you will do them more good in the eyes of God to teach them to be equal in stance as well as word instead of comiserating the injustices that thier ancestors went through. Over half of a million white men died so that they could do that.
Now they need to step up to the plate and behave like free people, instead of listening to racist eulogies of the long lost past.
75. Some Assembly Required | March 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 am
“Novels just dont get it….”
And with that statement you lose all credibility. Thats assuming of course you had some to begin with.
76. Christian Wright | March 22nd, 2008 at 11:15 am
Neocon:
I am very please that my January 4th, 2008 at 10:17 pm post was wrong. I did not give enough credit to the American people. I did not think White people would vote for a mixed-raced candidate.
The fact that Obama as the nomination in the bag gives me a great sense of hope. Maybe this is the generation that will start to see MLK’s dream about judging a person by the content of their character.
Yes We Can!
77. Michael | March 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 am
Stereotyping white people isn’t racist, it is just typical.
78. Diane Tomlinson | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I still don’t think what Reverend jeremiah Wright said to his congregation is racist. I think they are his opinions and quite educated ones based on the community experience of black people in a white dominated society. The over the top reaction of white Americans, some not all, just bears this out.
The question that needs to be addressed is how can reverend Wright BE a racist when to truly be a racist you have to have some authority over the ethnic group you loathe. Yep, this is going to be really popular with people who like authoritarian government a tad less than they like authoritarian religion but I honestly feel that while blacks can be angry and with hate I think only whites can be racist because in such a context they are the only ones who have unearned privilege to lose.
79. Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J. | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Forked tongue in cheek, I am about to sit down and pen a brief piece on an exchange I saw on a news program in my home country last night. It appears that the reverend Billy Graham made this statement in a syndicated column yesterday, “People don’t willingly die for what they know is a lie.”
Well in that statement from a noted Christian leader is the rationale for every Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and al Qaeda suicide bomber. While I understand that what Reverend Graham, or his ghost writer, intended was a contextual argument about why the early Christians so vehemently defended the reality of the Resurrection.
So to this demon journalist Barack Hussein Obama’s reference to his maternal grandmother as a typical white person requires at least an equal amount of analysis and digestion.
I also find the need to implore Liberals and their weaker voiced cousins “liberals” that this is no time to stop talking about race in America. It is imperative that this issue be kept on the front burner so that every blog reader, news paper reader, cable or satellite news watcher or water cooler conversationalist can understand the depth of fear and the polarizing angst associated with white Americans forced into a matter that involves their real feelings about blacks, Latinos or Jews.
At the site I run we shall keep this pot boiling on a front stove burner
80. FmrMarine | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Some things arent racism they are facts!
People are not afraid of fairy tales, but if facts prove that one race more than another are more likely to commit a crime,then one might have reservations when being alone with them.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/tables/ovrelracetab.htm
81. NeoClown | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
The typical white person had to build bigger prisons, and pass three-strike laws to keep our streets safe from crack dealers, thugs, and gang-bangers. The typical white person had to defend themselves after the al Qaeda’s attacks of 9/11. The typical white person bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we ended the war the Japanese started on December 7, 1941. The typical white person fought state terrorism and supported black South Africans and helped put and end to apartheid, now we are indignant because the Rev Wright preaches hatred of typical white people and he preaches hatred of America. We are indignant because Barack Obama agrees with the Rev Wright. We are indignant and we say No, no, no, God damn Rev Wright, and God damn Barack Obama.
82. Almiranta | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
The commentary on this thread illustrates a very important point, which is that the rabid Libs will make any argument, no matter how bizarre, no matter how idiotic, no matter how utterly stupid, in an effort to oppose whatever any conservative has to say.
I am white. All of my grandparents immigrated here (legally) after the Civil War ended. One came from Ireland, where ancestors had been enslaved by the British. One came from Russia, where ancestors had been slaughtered by the Cossacks. We not only did not have slaves, our heritiage is one of such poverty that we would probably have been indentured servants, hardly part of the extremely small and limited number of slaveholders.
They ended up in the agricultural land of the High Plains of the United States. where they homesteaded land which was eventually given to them by the government after they farmed it, fenced it, built homes, dug wells, and proved their willingness to be stewards of the land. This part of the country had no black people.
I grew up never seeing a black person, not till I was in my teens and moved to a city. But I had not been reared to hate anyone based on skin color or religion, so skin color was never a big deal to me. In high school in the city, I had black friends. It was no big deal, to them or to me. It was no different than having friends with different hair color or religions.
Later, I dated a white jazz musician, and after he got off work we would go into the black community to an (illegal) after-hours club where he would jam with black musicians till dawn. I would be the only white face in the crowded room, except for my boyfriend up on the dais, and not only did I never feel fear, I never felt animosity. We were all just people, there to share a love of music.
In my hippie chick days, I lived in the Fillmore District of San Francisco, and never felt afraid of anyone based on skin color.
I would not do either of those things now—not hang out in the after-hours clubs, nor live in the Fillmore. Because in the 60’s and 70’s, the black people I knew were victims of racism, sure, but their goals were to be accepted, to live in a colorblind society, to have equal access to everything this country had to offer. Now it seems that the goals are to wallow in decades-old grievances, to cling to angers and hatreds, to set themselves up as superior to white people, to blame white people for every slight ever endured or perceived—to keep the embers of hatred and anger glowing, even to claim that doing so is God’s will.
Now, after all these years of seeing skin color merely as an identifier—she’s blonde, he’s tall, she’s black—I am realizing that there is an undercurrent of carefully nurtured rage among some people of color, an undercurrent of determination to never forgive anyone for anything but to nurture and promote anger and distrust and loathing. And it disgusts me.
What really bugs me is that this nurturing of such negative emotions has been supported for two decades by two people who are living proof that this country has become far more color-blind. Both of the Obamas have succeeded, far beyond the dreams of the average white person. Both had equal access to the opportunities this country provides, both took advantage of those opportunities, both flourished and both succeeded. Yet they came back home from their elite Ivy League schools, to their elite high-paying and high-status jobs, and immersed themselves in a cesspool of recrimination, anger, resentment, and self-pity, as if they had suffered so greatly that they simply could never get over it.
Michelle whines about feeling isolated and so on, at Princeton. To quote Dick Cheney—”so?” So isn’t that pretty much the description of the growth process? Has she ever heard of Holden Caufield? This ego-centric obsession, that she is the only one who has ever gone through this, and furthermore that it was directed at HER, because SHE was so set apart by her skin color, is more than just annoying, it is a glimpse into a psyche that is terribly self-centered as well as determined to hold onto every grievance ever experienced.
83. FmrMarine | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Freedon1
>>>I’m curious as to what others think: Is Barack Obama a Christian or is he something else?<<<<
He belongs to a racist CULT, his racist pastor hangs out with louis fartacan, and gave him a lifetime achievement award. It is obvious he is NO christian.
Jesus was BLACK????? WTF ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTBiWxN4BlM
You have to watch the whole vid.
AMAZING absolutely AMAZING.
And “rev” white hangs with this LUNATIC!
84. Diane Tomlinson | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
I agree with you 100% Fmrmarine. And from the stats you provided I gather:
A white elderly person is more likely to be killed by a white person than a black person
A white person is more likely to be killed by poisoning over a relationship break up by a black person that with a gun by a black person when buying drugs
A white family member is far more likely to kill a child than a black stranger is.
85. FmrMarine | March 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
DT
EXCEPT due to your fuzzy math,
blacks are only 12% of the population.
So the numbers prove proportion which group is more likely to commit a crime.
Major Findings:
• Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
Crime Rates
• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
Gangs
• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Incarceration
• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.
86. FmrMarine | March 22nd, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Here is a good article
Patrick J. Buchanan, Human Events, March 21, 2008
How would he pull it off? I wondered.
How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?
How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about “the U.S. of K.K.K. America,” and howled, “God damn America!”
My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.
Yes, Barack agreed, Wright’s statements were “controversial,” and “divisive,” and “racially charged,” reflecting a “distorted view of America.”
But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.
Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.
The “white community,” said Barack, must start “acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination—and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past—are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds … .”
And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?
The “white community” must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with “ladders of opportunity” that were “unavailable” to Barack’s and the Rev. Wright’s generations.
What is wrong with Barack’s prognosis and Barack’s cure?
Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, “everybody but the rioters themselves.”
{snip}
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
{snip}
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
Barack talks about new “ladders of opportunity” for blacks.
Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for “deserving” white kids.
Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?
Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?
We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
87. Almiranta | March 22nd, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I’ve been waiting for some rabid Lib to dredge up that tired old canard: “…to truly be a racist you have to have some authority over the ethnic group you loathe…”
How too too convenient for you and your ilk, Diane—and how too too wrong.
It is a completely transparent effort to justify the unjustifiable, and it is so transparent and so feeble that it has pretty much been abandoned. Trust a true footsoldier of the radical Left to dig up from where it had been, rightfully, buried.
BS, Diane. Hating any person because of his or her skin color is racism. As far as that goes, attributing any characteristic to skin color is racism, even it it is a good characteristic.
How odd that some people are so dedicated to leading lives of hatred and loathing that they actually try to invent ways to justify this. But the efforts fail, Diane.
And your determination to try to make this sad and pathetic argument says a lot about you. I suppose that it is wrong for straight people to hate gay people, but it is OK for gay people to hate straight people? It is wrong for rich people to hate poor people but it is fine for the poor to hate everyone who has more than they do?
Herein lies the truly fatal flaw of the far Left—its dependence on divisiveness, on first lumping people into groups and then currying distrust among those groups, on stirring up old hatreds and resentments and not only keeping them fresh in peoples’ minds but in justifying them and even trying to redefine them as noble—-the radical Left is based on negatives and weaknesses, instead of on the inherent strength and goodness of the individual.
Just look at you and your ilk, the Lefty trolls who infest this and other conservative sites. None of you ever has an idea, a solution. You seem to feel justified in merely attacking, smearing, sneering, in being intellectual vandals instead of actually contributing to rational discussions.
And now you, Diane Tomlinson, are trying to excuse hatred and racism, trying to make it sound OK. And you are wrong.
Clinging to, depending on, cherishing, surly resentful victimhood is hardly a recipe for progress. But it does seem to be a recipe for the rabid Left in its recruitment of the loser who has set herself or himself apart because of this need to not only see herself or himself as a victim but to be able to somehow justify emotions which are really unjustifiable.
88. kimberly4victory | March 22nd, 2008 at 1:09 pm
“He is not murdering White people. He is not even murdering Christians. I think Bush can sleep soundly at night because he does not believe the people he is killing matter.”
Congratulations, Wright. You’ve just stolen Kenya West’s “Most Ignorant Statement” award.
Almiranta, that was an excellent post.
Obama keeps sticking his foot deeper and deeper down his throat. And the lefties still praise him.
I would be furious if McCain attended an anti-black, anti-American church for over 20 years. I would question my support of him. I would wonder why McCain would attend for over 20 years, how he could subject his children to the hate sermons, how he could befriend and get advise from a man who is obviously anti-American, anti-black.
And, if McCain was a member of a church like that, the lefties would be up in arms, too.
89. Diane Tomlinson | March 22nd, 2008 at 2:45 pm
FmrMarine what the DOJ stats show are who are more likely to be arrested for a crime. How much white crimes unreported? We don’t know. How much white crime is gotten away with? We don’t know.
Why does it prove to say that more blacks commit violent crime than white? We ALL do know. At least you are well versed in your code, I read you loud and clear.
90. Matt Margolis | March 22nd, 2008 at 3:18 pm
It never ceases to amaze me how liberals will defends the worst of the worst from their fellow liberals, spinning the most offensive and racist comments of their own to justify it as reasonable.
The double standard is sad. But, you know when Democrats realize they are in a hole when they give you the typical “This is all they can talk about because they don’t want to talk about issues” line.
Please. I’m still waiting for Democrats to keep things on the issues. They are the party that made this campaign about race. They are the party that has turned political attack into an art form.
Barack Obama’s longtime pastor and his comments about his grandmother are indeed important issues because they tell us a lot about Obama’s character. He’ll sit in the pews and cheer to a pastor who says the government created AIDS and gave guns to minorities to destroy black communities, and who says “God damn America.” Obama will make racist comments like “typical white person.”
If the Obamaniacs want to pretend this stuff doesn’t matter, they can live in their dream world for as long as they want, but they shouldn’t be surprised when Obama ultimately doesn’t get the nomination.
91. dirtyword.net | March 22nd, 2008 at 3:44 pm
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92. Diana Powe | March 22nd, 2008 at 4:03 pm
The only problem with all of the self-righteous huffing and puffing by the usual suspects here is that the public at large doesn’t agree with you. In a CBS News call-back poll aimed at gauging reaction to the speech, 84% of the respondents following the events indicated that the speech either made no difference (70%) or increased (14%) the likelihood they would vote for Senator Obama. This even included 5% of self-identified Republicans:
As to Matt’s foreboding that Obama supporters “shouldn’t be surprised when Obama ultimately doesn’t get the nomination”, a casual look at the all-important media narrative shows that Senator Clinton is clearly seen on the defensive now with Time’s Mark Halperin weighing in today to note that there’s a list of “Painful Things Hillary Clinton Knows — Or Should Know” including this true or not-true item, “Many of her supporters — and even some of her staffers — would be relieved (and even delighted) if she quit the race; none of his supporters or staff feel that way. Some think she just might throw in the towel in June if it appears efforts to fight on would hurt Obama’s general election chances.”
93. NeoClown | March 22nd, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Grandma got run over by Barack’s career
During a speech Barack gave on TV
You can say there’s no such thing as Satan
But as for me and Grandpa we believe
She spent her lifetime raising little Barry
How she loved that little fellow so
But Barry’s poll numbers started dropping
So underneath the bus Grandma must go
Grandma got run over by Barack’s career
During a speech Barack gave on TV
You can say there’s no such thing as Satan
But as for me and Grandpa we believe
Now we’re all so afraid of Barry
He’s given all of us such a fright
Lately he’s full of hate and anger
He starting to sound just like the Reverend Wright
Grandma got run over by Barack’s career
During a speech Barack gave on TV
You can say there’s no such thing as Satan
But as for me and Grandpa we believe
Grandma’s a typical white person
She’s afraid of black men on the street
Grandma’s finished raising little Barry
Now Barry uses Grandma to wipe his feet
Grandma got run over by Barack’s career
During a speech Barack gave on TV
You can say there’s no such thing as Satan
But as for me and Grandpa we believe
94. What? | March 22nd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
SAR writes,
“Novels just dont get it….”
And with that statement you lose all credibility. Thats assuming of course you had some to begin with.
Sadly, you are wrong SAR. On BFV scorning the written word acutally reinforces your credibility. Booking- learning in general is a suspicious activity. Really, the only thing js trusts and therefore relies on is his “common sense.” He is like an evil Forrest Gump.
95. Some Assembly Required | March 22nd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
90. Matt Margolis | March 22nd, 2008 at 3:18 pm
“Please. I’m still waiting for Democrats to keep things on the issues.”
Thats why you create a post titled “Barack Obama: My Grandmother is a “Typical White Person””.
“…He’ll sit in the pews and cheer to a pastor who says the government created AIDS….”
For an understanding of why he may have said this, please see “The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment”
http://www.tuskegee.edu/Global/Story.asp?s=1207586
Matt, your moral superiorty post still in know way addresses you have completely ignored the point Obama was making with his speech. Instead you are perpetuating hatred and racism throughout this blog by over emphasizing ‘typical white person’. At least your buddy Mark came up with an adequate response. Though I think he maybe fooling himself a little bit, he recognized the point Obama was making at least.
94. What? | March 22nd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Life is like a box of chocolates, you need instructions telling you what chocolate is what. Otherwise you might bite into one you weren’t expecting and have to keep eating.
96. js | March 22nd, 2008 at 5:28 pm
“Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.”
And the liberal idiots want to tell us that Wright isnt sucha bad thing.
Other wise this figure could actually excede 85 percent. (ya, like NOT)
” Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery”
So if 10/1000 whites attack blacks, then that means that 390/1000 blacks will attack a white.
Well, I guess they have to because the white population is so much larger…..NOT
97. Freedom1 | March 22nd, 2008 at 5:43 pm
This is too funny!
Passport Probe Finds Link to Obama Campaign? - The Washington Times
98. Freedom1 | March 22nd, 2008 at 6:18 pm
FmrMarine,
I watched the video. That was really disturbing. Louis Farrakhan is insane.
99. Some Assembly Required | March 22nd, 2008 at 6:18 pm
97. Freedom1 | March 22nd, 2008 at 5:43 pm
You are only clueing into this now? Oh right, fox news has been going on and on about Obama’s pastor and Grandmother all week ignoring everything else. This is outrageous not funny. I seem to remember a huge scandal called Watergate over similar political esponiage if it is in fact what it is.
Freedom1 by placing emphasis where you did are you implying this is Obama’s handy work? If so let me ask you this, why would he go after his own passport records? Just because the man worked for the company does not mean he was in this particular instance. Hilary’s information was not accessed by this third employee, does that mean it’s her handy work?!?!?!
100. Baxter Greene | March 22nd, 2008 at 6:39 pm
diane,the pure ignorance of this statement speaks for itself.I only hope that it is repeated a lot by liberals and hopefully by the Obama campaign.
Anybody who truly believes that people should not
be judged by the color of their skin will reject such
idiocy.
” I honestly feel that while blacks can be angry and with hate I think only whites can be racist because in such a context they are the only ones who have unearned privilege to lose.”
This poll shows that Obama is not out
of the woods on this and as more comes out,this
will not go over well in the general election.
Barack Obama?s speech about race on Tuesday impressed many who witnessed it or read it. But most of America did neither, and many of them — white and black — were less persuaded of the speech?s capacity to heal racial wounds, or to put the issue of race behind Obama as he continues his quest for the White House.
That?s according to a new poll by InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion.
First, we screened poll respondents to find those who were aware that Obama?s pastor was in the news. A startling 82% knew about Obama?s speech, and about the controversy surrounding the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
Of those who knew about the controversy and the speech, we asked, ?Taking all this into account, are you more or less likely to support Obama for president??
Less likely (52%)
More likely (19%)
About the same (27%)
No opinion (2%)
http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_320_294.aspx
I would like to bring up a point to our “truth to power” liberals that has only been mentioned briefly.
When Obama was pressed by the press to answer contradictions about his relationship with Rezko,he
ran away.
When he was pressed about his support for a church and it’s pastor that he calls his “mentor” and
their separatist theology,he ran and said “I am going to give a speech.”
So Obama can’t handle a press core that President Bush has handled for over 7 years.
He gives a speech that lays out the talking points to his friends at CBS, NBC,CNN,The NY Times and the rest his friends in the press that have their lips pressed so firmly to his butt.The NYtimes declares this “distraction” over and now all the press wants to do is talk about how well he addressed the issue that in reality he played both sides on.
Their are a lot of Republicans,Democrats,and Independents that are not satisfied with the fact
that Obama supported and considered his spirtual
advisor someone who teaches a theology that calls
for the genocide of white people and spreads lies like
the government started the aids virus to kill black people.
This speech that liberals are calling the greatest of
all time (give me a fu#king break) simply provided cover for Obama to get help from the press and not
have to cut ties with his church,which would have killed him in the black community.
If McCain had supported a church whose theology
was the genocide of the black community and a member of his campaign was the leader that said “slavery was just made up by the black community
so they could have an excuse to live off the government their whole lives” and all
he said was:
“Hey,I don’t agree with everything he says,
but he’s still my man and I am sticking with him”.
Never had a press conference to answer direct questions.
Fox news does a story and says”This should put an
end to the debate.”
Sean Hannity declares it the best speech since
Abraham Lincoln spoke.
Jesse,Sharpton,Farrakhan,and their liberal sheep
would be in the streets yelling “no justice,no peace”.
You liberals can spin all you want,this is not going
over well with a large part of America.
101. Freedom1 | March 22nd, 2008 at 6:47 pm
99. Some Assembly Required | March 22nd, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Your desperation is showing, SAR. LoL!
102. Freedom1 | March 22nd, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Beware the law of unintended consquences…LOL
“Obama Aide: Bill Clinton Like McCarthy”
Is Barack Obama A Marxist Mole? - Canada Free Press
Seriously, Barack Hussein Obama is dangerous and shouldn’t be anywhere near the White House.
103. js | March 22nd, 2008 at 7:59 pm
You dont heal racial wounds by espousing racial superiority.
Obama may be a charismatic orator, and so was Hitler. Obama belonged to this church for 20 years. Who could believe that he did not know what was going on? Its untenable.
No excuses.
104. Baxter Greene | March 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 am
Another indication that American’s don’t believe
this “Genocide of white people is okay” line that
liberals are spewing in defending Rev. Wright and
Obama’s support of him and his separatist theology.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Saturday, March 22, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows ongoing volatility in the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Nationally, Hillary Clinton now holds a very slight advantage over Barack Obama, 46% to 44%. Before the story broke about his former Pastor, Obama led Clinton by eight percentage points (see recent daily results). While the national polls remain close, Rasmussen Markets data gives Obama a 79.5 % chance to win the Democratic nomination while expectations for a Clinton victory are at 21.1 %.
Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain continues to lead both potential Democratic opponents. McCain leads Barack Obama 49% to 41% and Hillary Clinton 49% to 43% (see recent daily results). New polling shows McCain leading both Democrats in Georgia and Arkansas. In Minnesota, the race is very close.
On Saturday, Obama’s favorable ratings slipped a little further—46% favorable, 51% unfavorable. Before the Pastor Problem became big news, Obama was viewed favorably by 52%. One month ago, he was viewed favorably by 56%. McCain is viewed favorably by 54% of voters nationwide and unfavorably by 43%. For Clinton, those numbers are 43% favorable, 54% unfavorable (see recent daily results).
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
105. Almiranta | March 23rd, 2008 at 1:01 pm
I was bemused by a series of events in Denver, taking place over a period of many years.
The “black community” in Denver complained, and alleged racism, because there was not enough (according to them) police presence in the mostly-black neighborhood which had the highest crime rate. The city “didn’t care” about people of color.
The city responded, meeting with community leaders, and increased police patrols in the area.
Then the “black community” complained and alleged racism because of the “police state” imposed upon them by the city and the number of white poiice officers sent in to arrest black people. It was “oppression” and “bigotry” when a white man arrested a black man.
The city responded, met with black community leaders, and embarked on a very aggressive campaign to recruit and train black police officers, who were then assigned to this neighborhodd.
The “black community” complained and said that this was racism, an effort to turn black officers against their black brothers. The black officers were verbally abused, called “Uncle Tom” and shunned in the community.
When arrests were low, the complaint was that “Whitey” just didn’t CARE if blacks were killed or raped or robbed.
When arrests went up, the complaint was that “Whitey” was PICKING on black people.
At some point, the perception is created that the “black community” is far more interested in whining and being victims than in identifying and solving problems. So the next question would be, who creates this perception?
And you can’t be a victim without a villain.
In the meantime, we have people like Ken Hamblin and Condoleeza Rice and countless others who have simply gone ahead, taken advantage of the opportunities offered in this great country, and succeeded.
I don’t wake up every morning and declare “I AM WHITE”. My color is a reality, but not the defining element of my life. I think that the most successful and happy people of color also see their color as an integral part of who they are but not the defining element—they are people, that’s all, and as individuals they make their choices, and go on with their lives.
As a woman, I have had problems associated with gender. I have been turned down for jobs which payed more than traditional “female” jobs, and I was once told I was the “token c___” in the company. It ticked me off, but it did not make me a victim, or men villains. It was just part of life, and I went on.
I could have fallen for the victim/villain paradigm, but why bother? It not only takes up a lot of time and energy, it erodes the spirit of whoever embraces that way of looking at life.
I personally don’t care that Barack Obama has chosen to live two lives—on the surface, a productive and promising member of the American political and cultural scene, a genial and likable guy, who has a darker side in which he indulges in surly resentment of the same white people he appears to get along with, in which he wallows in decades-old grievances which don’t even relate to him personally (his black ancestors were not slaves) and nurtures rage and animosity toward other races and religions and the very country which offered him the opportunities to gain the success and wealth he has acquired.
That’s fine. That’s his right. That’s another of the many advantages this country has offered him.
What I object to is the wolf in sheep’s clothing, the man who has two faces, the man who actively participates in a very important religious and cultural life which focuses on hatreds and resentments, and which is racist and anti-American, trying to become the President of the United States.
I think this country needs and deserves not only a leader who genuinely loves and respects this country, but who is what his or her public persona says he or she is.
Even his message —”CHANGE”—is creepy. It implies a bleak and hostile perception of this country, one in which any change at all, in any direction, HAS to better than what we have now. It is pessimistic and negative, while trying to pass itself off as hopeful and postitive. I found it very unpleasant even before I heard the teachings of his two main mentors, and now it seems to fit in very well with the dark and suspicious-of-America message they promulgate.
106. fichese | March 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
There’s a really funny post on liamascorcaigh’s Blog “Chris Matthews Other Leg’ entitled “Obama brings hope and healing to the TWerPs of America”.
TWerPs = Typical White Persons
Makes you LOL and sets you thinking as well. A must read.
http://chrismatthewsotherleg.blogspot.com/
107. Almiranta | March 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 pm
I know this is not on-topic, but I hate to see a falsehood go unanswered.
This comment by a member of Obama’s team rankled: ““I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I’ve had enough of it,” McPeak said.”
Yeah, except McCarthy accused 52 people, by name, of being communists—and they were. (I remember the number as 52, anyway.) McCarthy did not go around “accusing good Americans of being traitors”. He accused specific people, people high in government, of being COMMUNISTS, and he was proven right.
It is conceivable that a person could be a communist and not be a traitor. But in those days, in that political atmosphere, being a communist high in American government was suspect at best, as we were being told that the communist government of the USSR wanted to destroy us. “Bury” us was one term used.
I feel that it was prudent to wonder if a communist would have the best interests of the United States at heart—-just as now I wonder if a man who actively supported a racist and anti-American, who has his daughters attending Sunday School in a church with such teachings, whose wife was never proud of this country in all of her “adult life” (since she joined that church, perhaps?) could have the best interests of this country at heart.
Could have or would have—they are both legitimate questions.
108. js | March 24th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Rich White People are Obama’s communists. He spent 20 years in a church that taught that.
Since he has not come out and disputed, item by item, the issues on the Wright scandal, its safe to assume that he adheres to the black ethics theology, and not to the ethics of honesty and equality.
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110. Obama Must Apologize | June 30th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
I am still waiting for an apology for that remark as well as his wife snide remark on 60 minutes last year about her assination fear reply of “I don’t lose sleep over it because the realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station, you know.”
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