87 Comments

• 1. Rana Quijotesca  |  June 16th, 2008 at 9:56 am

  Why does this matter? I mean honestly, he’s a Christian now, and you are bitching that he used to be Muslim (by the way, any Catholic who wound up an Atheist–like my room mate–will tell you that it’s different to be a certain religion [like on school documents] on paper and in actuality). I thought you guys liked people who were “born again” and “found Jesus” later in life. Frankly, with few exceptions (Scientology being one of them), I don’t care what the religion of the candidate is; not only is every religion wrong in my opinion, it doesn’t correlate with ability to govern (Hell, I would say that religiosity is inversely correlated, vis a vis Bush, who says he talks to god).

  I guess that this raises a couple of questions:

  1.) Does a child, who is effectively brainwashed from birth into subscribing to a religion by his/her parents, actually count as being an adherent to that religion as if they made the decision using their own reasoning?

  2.) Why are you guys so paranoid that someone might have been a muslim at one point in time? Even Bush has said that the WoT is a war on terrorism, not a war on Islam.

• 2. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 10:01 am

  “Why does this matter?” - Rana

  Defend, deflect, distract. Why not embrace it? Why not tell the American people how lucky they would be to have a President with a Muslim background? Wouldn’t that lend credibility to his ability to unite?

  I say embrace. Don’t defend.

  Have a nice day
  peace, neocon

• 3. Greenskeeper  |  June 16th, 2008 at 10:08 am

  No thoughts or ideas coming from the far right; simply thread after thread of fear and prejudice. I don’t care if he is a Quaker/Evangelical/Muslim/Catholic/Druid/Presbyterian/Lutheran if he can solve even half of the problems left behind by Bush Jr.

• 4. Rana Quijotesca  |  June 16th, 2008 at 10:14 am

  neocon-

  Way to not answer anything in my post. I don’t embrace any political candidate’s religious affiliation because I think that all religions are wrong, so why would I embrace Obama being from a Muslim background (something that wasn’t refuted by the Obama campaign, they refuted the assertion that he actually believed in the tenets of Islam)?

  I say, answer the question-and stop deflecting.

  Peace
  -Rana

• 5. Kahn  |  June 16th, 2008 at 10:18 am

  If it doesn’t matter, why be afraid of the truth? Lying about it is worse than “it.”

• 6. hermie  |  June 16th, 2008 at 10:45 am

  It’s like his trying to hide his Rezko connections, or his affiliations with far-left radicals. He first denies, then attacks the messengers. Then the MSM carries his water until the weight is too much…Then they drop it hoping that it never comes back up again.

• 7. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 10:51 am

  I am just curious as to why liberals don’t use this as proof that Obama can be a uniter. It would be the logical conclusion.

  oh well.

  Have a nice day
  peace, neocon

  Incidentally I did find Ranas assertion that brain washing is the only way in which children can be taught a religion terribly amusing. I guess liberals are certainly familiar with brainwashing. LOL.

• 8. SEW  |  June 16th, 2008 at 11:33 am

  Note how the racist liberal posters always condemn Muslims. Including Barry. Don’t refer to him by his given middle namke, and don’t assert as his brother does that he is Muslim. The left clearly is biased against Muslims. Oh, my our world image is destroyed. And Barry the uniter has claimed he is not Muslim time after time.

  What will the Muslim world do now?

• 9. SEW  |  June 16th, 2008 at 11:39 am

  So is Malik a Republican smearing his brother? Is the picture of Malik and Barry in Muslim gear photoshopped in Kenya on Kodak film?

  Or are Barry, liberals and the MSM smearing Mohammad and Muslims?

• 10. Pain  |  June 16th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

  9. SEW | June 16th, 2008 at 11:39 am

  Like the Fram Oil Filter man said, “you can pay me now or pay me later.”

  Any suggestion about Obama being a Muslim is fine because to you lot Muslim=terrorist and We know what liberal means in your code really. This is all fine. Go ahead and elect McCain and when things get so very bad in the United States that you actually want to leave you’ll be able to sit in a bus station on the Canadian border and read what We have to say at an Internet kiosk.

  We will laugh at the collapse of America if you do this thing to yourselves because We have told you it is the wrong choice time and again. You will get no sympathy from Us when the bricks rain down on your heads this time because it all could be avoided. You want to demonize, for lack of a better word, Barack Hussein Obama and make him seem evil somehow. We guarantee that you will reap what you sew; plant good seeds that seek peace and a bounty will be yours. Plant bitter and tainted seeds of hate and division and war ansd bloodshed and by that same sword shall ye perish.

  You are of the same caste who knew not what to do on September 12, 2001 and you have forgotten what it was like to be just like everyone else on Terra. Do what you must We can give a lesson as well as We can take a lesson.

• 11. SEW  |  June 16th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

  Pain, thanks for the poor effort at deflecting and exhibiting your hatred of all things Muslim. Mix that with support of gay marriage, abortion, and things don’t look good for you guys in the eyes of Muslims.

  You guys again are the ones planting the seeds for destruction. You guys demonize the use of his given name Hussein, demonizing Mohammad and Muslims. Muslims. We are not the ones making Obama seem evil, you guys are demonstrating your hatred of Muslims.

  So is Malik Obama a Republican smear machine operative or plant in Kenya?? Or is Malik a liar? So why do you care? Will Barry release his birth certificate now? Will Fake War Hero, the Swiftboated guy, release his military record? You guys need to stop demonstrating your hatred for Mohammad and Muslims.

• 12. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

  “We will laugh at the collapse of America…” - Pain

  Are you not an American? Incidentally, many more intelligent people than you have inaccurately predicted our demise. But as one of the youngest and definitely the most properous nations on this planet, that ain’t gonna happen.

  Next.

• 13. SEW  |  June 16th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

  neocon, if Pain and the MSM and liberals keep stating that Muslims are evil and don’t use the middle name Hussein, he is also doing everything in his power to collapse America.

  Pain have you heard about the Danish cartoons?

  Peace.

• 14. Pain  |  June 16th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

  11. SEW | June 16th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

  As a Shi’ite We are offended but We, Ourselves are unbound by your words. The depth of both true Faith and of Reason escapes you and in this you are to be felt sorrow for because the Kingdom of Knowledge has its gates sealed shut to you.

  We will not lift a hand to help you this time. You are on your own. There will be no “other worldly assistance” or “out pouring of grief.” We hate no one but by your own actions you seek to destroy you likely only hope to reverse the course you are taking.

  I guarantee you when something disastrous happens no matter its source in the United States because of a blundering McCain administration you will be screaming for help and none shall come. Not this time, no help, no succor shall come top you. Only mocking derision that causes Us to weep great tears even as our many billions of mouths laugh. Wallow in your hubris! Bathe in it my friend it is just as free today as We saw you knew it was on the first ten days of September 2001.

  We helped you then We laid down Our own arms and coerced even your enemies to come to your aid. And look at how you act now. Poor pitiful smudge of a Soul! Mock and dance all you wish but a mighty pendulum will be set in motion on your next Election Day. Laugh in Our face call Us names defile Us with your very bodily waste if you like. Sneer and gnash your teeth call Barack Hussein Obama and his wife and children every filthy and vile thing you can imagine. Accuse everyone Barack Hussein Obama has every loved or befriended a blood thirsty terrorist who wants only to murder American children.

  We give you permission all lines are erased now and We only ask if you use racial slurs that they be in the proper context and spelled correctly for posterity for all those thing will be carved on your tombstones and even better into your chests in Hell for all to see for Eternity.

  ان شاء الله

  Have fun with your word games and your sport of spin and lies. Note has been taken how desperate you are to see this man never live out his destiny. We have accepted your fate and have chosen Our side and you my friend are on the scale that leads to the meat grinder and We are the butcher.

  Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!

• 15. SEW  |  June 16th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

  “every filthy and vile thing you can imagine.” Pain

  So using Hussein and his brother stating he is Muslim is filthy and vile? Your hatred of Muslims and Mohammad is filthy and vile.

• 16. SEW  |  June 16th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

  “We are the butcher” Pain

  Agreed.

• 17. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

  “The depth of both true Faith and of Reason escapes you and in this you are to be felt sorrow for because the Kingdom of Knowledge has its gates sealed shut to you. ” - Pain

  Who else gets a warm a fuzzy from Pain.

  As one who abhors Islam, if you ever cross my path, I will slit your throat.

  Have a nice day
  peace, neocon

• 18. SEW  |  June 16th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

  neo, sounds like Mark should forward that last one of Pain to the Homeland Security.

• 19. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

  I agree SEW. I am so tired of pukes like Pain, that today, considering I am in a foul mood, I would enjoy watching him bleed.

  However I believe Pain to be just another docile indoctrinate from KOS, with zero capacity for critical thought and merely a parrot of those he deems enlightened.

  Sad.

• 20. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

  You know I will also say that IF pain is a Shit (oh excuse me Shi’ite), then Obamas conversion to Christianity from Muslim is not acceptable.

  I find it telling that Pain did not mention that. It’s that parrot thing I guess.

  Have a nice day
  peace, neocon

• 21. Timothy Horrigan  |  June 16th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

  Hmm, this is an indirect second-hand quote which merely says Sen. Obama has a “Muslim background.” There is no more detail than that. It is entirely possible that what Malik Obama meant was merely that Barack Obama’s father was a Muslim. It does not necessarily mean that Barack was brought up as a practicing Muslim.

  And certainly now Barack Obama is a practicing Christian and not a practicing Muslim: if you recall previous smears, it was REVEREND Wright not Imam Wright who made those controversial comments, and that nonexistent “Whitey” tape involves comments Michell Obama supposedly made at CHURCH not at a mosque.

• 22. CanadianObserver  |  June 16th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

  15. SEW | June 16th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

  Pain
  Your hatred of Muslims and Mohammad is filthy and vile.

  ———————————
  As one who abhors Islam, if you ever cross my path, I will slit your throat.

  17. neocon | June 16th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
  ———————————-

  SEW

  Perhaps you should forget about Pain and address instead the amount of hatred toward Muslims emanating from your friend, neocon. He hates Islam so much he is willing to jeopardise his soul by slitting the throat of Pain.

  Now that’s what I call one major case of hatred.

• 23. SEW  |  June 16th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

  Maybe neocon doesn’t plan to cut and run? Maybe he was responding to Pain’s “We have accepted your fate and have chosen Our side and you my friend are on the scale that leads to the meat grinder and We are the butcher.

  Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!”

  I don’t plan to cut and run either. I’ll leave that to you. I’ll be in the foxhole with neocon.

• 24. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

  CO,

  Nice of you to paint the entire Muslim world with Pains brush. That’s called stereotyping and I didn’t think liberals did that. But thanks for correcting me.

  My disgust with Islam is well documented but my hatred is aimed at only one individual. The questions is; why aren’t you more disgusted with a religion that oppresses women and children and wants to eliminate infidels?

  Why do you continue to excuse Islam and excoriate Christianity?

  My feeling is that you don’t fear Christians but are deathly afraid of radical Muslims, because they will actually come after you. Wereas Christians will only want to save your soul. Have I got that about right?

• 25. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

  I couldn’t ask for a better foxhole compadre SEW. Let’s fight the good fight.

• 26. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

  Interesting that you should mention the soul CO. This tells me that you are a religious man but may be a bit confused about that spirituality.

  Why would I be risking my soul by taking out Pain? Someone who endorses oppression and honor killings.

• 27. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

  CO slinks back into the comfy confines of an American-protected Canada.

  Never having to stand for anything himself, but quick to criticize those who do.

• 28. Some Assembly Required  |  June 16th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

  I’m a little confused, when does ‘Reap what you sew’ mean you support Islamic Fundamentalists?

  “As one who abhors Islam, if you ever cross my path, I will slit your throat.”

  (God Wills it!) I mean (Allah Hakba!) wait, which one is it again?

  “My disgust with Islam is well documented but my hatred is aimed at only one individual. The questions is; why aren’t you more disgusted with a religion that oppresses women and children and wants to eliminate infidels?”

  Speaking from a country in which women have only been able to vote for less than 100 years. Yes, we are more civilized than them, but they will find their way just as we have. Eventually their women will start standing up for themselves like ours did. When they do, thats when we give support, BUT we don’t go in there and tell them their beliefs are wrong. A simple discussion with anyone of any faith will tell you this. Most will knock you out if you tell them their beliefs are wrong.

  Also, the religion on ISLAM teaches nothing of what you have stated above. It is the fundamentalists who distort the teachings of the Koran for their own means. Much like Evangelicals in the US and their 6,000 year theory.

  And you wonder why our foreign policy is a complete failure… Sheesh

• 29. Sockeye  |  June 16th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

  Ahhhh Margolis, you sow peace and calm.

  In temple, eye’s toward the Lord, rest easy.

  Yours is the work of gentle musing.

  Matt Margolis and Mark Noonan.

  Saints amongst men.

• 30. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

  No, but I do wonder how you tie your shoes in the morning.

  - Are you seriously going to argue that they have a more free and open society for women the US because of their longer track record of women voting? And are you completely ignoring honor killings and other horrible atrocities inflicted on women by the religion of peace?

  - You’ve just offered up another false premise. We are not, nor am I, saying that their beliefs are wrong. We are challenging them however on their radical interpretation of those beliefs. There’s a difference, can you figure it out?

  “Most will knock you out if you tell them their beliefs are wrong” - SAR

  Really? Why would they be so violent? Everyday Christians are told their beliefs are wrong by liberals and I don’t see anyone getting knocked out.

  And the Koran certainly does speak to converting or killing Infidels. Wise up.

  Have a nice day
  peace, neocon

  -

• 31. CanadianObserver  |  June 16th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

  27. neocon | June 16th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

  CO slinks back into the comfy confines of an American-protected Canada.

  ——————————–

  Does being an American-protected Canadian autmoatically lock me into total agreement with failed U.S. international policies, neocon?

  Are other countries who are under the umbrella of American military protection held to the same standard?

  When speaking of your soul, neocon, I was relating from your point of view, not mine.

• 32. FmrMarine  |  June 16th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

  Neo;

  >>>>As one who abhors Islam, if you ever cross my path, I will slit your throat.<<

  OOH RAH !
  Semper Fi

• 33. Some Assembly Required  |  June 16th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

  Neo, I’m not going to get into which religion is worse with you. It’s ultimately pointless where both have had unspeakable things done in their names. Which was part of my point in the first place. The other point, if you continue to piss in your neighbors backyard, eventually they will turn a shotgun on you. You continue to narrow your focus on issues that require broad margins.

  Threatening someone is not challenging their beliefs. Neither are baited questions. If you think they are then you are much further gone then I originally thought.

• 34. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 6:38 pm

  SAR,

  We haven’t been pissing in anyones backyard. That’s just another false premise and a liberal screech I have grown tired of. We buy their oil, and their very own leaders are the ones that piss in their backyard. That’s their choosing, not ours.

  I say drill now and ultmately become energy independent, then sit back and listen to the rest of the OPEC world moan about the lack of our trade.

• 35. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

  CO,

  You speak so poorly for yourself, I am surpirsed to hear that you also speak for others.

  You have every right to question American politics, albeit from the cheap seats. But if I were you, I would be more concerned about your own governments acquiesence to a religion that oppresses, beheads and imposes a theocracy, coupled with their inability to do anything about it.

• 36. FmrMarine  |  June 16th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

  NEO;

  This is from the lesbo pains Anti Christian homosexual rage filled pornographer’s website………..KNOW thy ENEMY!

  (Ed. Note: Nauseating article deleted; we appreciate the sense in which it was posted, but; yuck!)

• 37. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

  fmrMarine,

  Thanks. It’s good to know the level of dementia we’re up against. The ironic thing is that they’re too stupid to realize how vile and hypocritical they are.

  Semper Fi

• 38. SEW  |  June 16th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

  Maybe the Gitmo Country Club detainees when released can spend a little time with their friends at the journalistic and photographic porn site.

  Surprise, surprise infidels.

• 39. Some Assembly Required  |  June 16th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

  “We haven’t been pissing in anyones backyard. That’s just another false premise and a liberal screech I have grown tired of. We buy their oil, and their very own leaders are the ones that piss in their backyard. That’s their choosing, not ours.” - Neocon

  Hilarious. This is about much more then oil for these people. It’s about years of meddling in their affairs. Now that we are starting to literally pay (gas) for our ridiculous foreign policies, what kind of sympathy or help do you honestly think the ME will offer us. You expect them to just give us what we need when we need it because we have a right to drive an SUV. Man, you really really need to turn off fox news, Limbaugh, or whatever other right wing bull shit your listening to. Pick up a history book dealing with GLOBAL issues since the 1900’s. Not just American, but GLOBAL. Better yet, read something that doesn’t origionate from within America. The world does not look kindly on us right now my friend. Let me tell you, no matter how powerful the US is, it is not powerful enough to take on the rest of the planet. So pull your heads out of your collective asses and try to understand there is more going on here then one attack on American soil 7 years ago. It’s much bigger than that and has been and will be going on for much longer until we change how we act towards and within other countries. The truth of the matter, most of the world has gone liberal. Countries have bore witness to what complete capitalism does to a country and have taken advantage of it.

  I will leave you with two last things, the first, Capitalism has no borders. The second, the vast majority defines reality and as such, you are disconnected from it.

• 40. Gaijin  |  June 16th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

  Sew,

  I hate to say this, actually I don’t, but you couldn’t debate your way out of a cardboard box. Watch this!

  Hussein’s birth certificate: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/814125/barack_obamas_birth_certificate.html - 59k
  wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/06/dailykos-publishes-barack-obamas-birth.html
  latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html - 68k - 15
  That’s what we in reality call refuting someone’s BS claims with facts. But as Colbert says, the Facts have a Well Know Liberal Bias. Thanks for playing, back to the kiddy table with you!

  NeoCon and SEW,

  How’s being in that foxhole working out for you? Could you remind us which base in Iraq or Afghanistan you are deployed in? Or are you another round of Republican chicken hawk keyboard warriors? Thanks God for patriots like you keeping this country safe!

  Obama’s father was Muslim. He left when Obama was two. Obama went to a school in Indonesia, not a Muslim school, a school. How is Obama supposed to be a Muslim at two? If a two year old decides Santa Claus is his religion, would you believe it? You guys can keep trying to hide your homophobia, racism and islamaphobia in your accusations at “liberals.” I only ask you support our liberal Muslim president on January 20.

  Have a nice day NeonCon
  Peace, gaijin

• 41. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 8:44 pm

  SAR,

  Why do you always resort to the same old tired liberal talking points?

  “It’s all Americas fault and nobody likes us” meme.

  You’re such a pawn for baseless propaganda.

  I will however give you credit for acknowledging that this is a deeply rooted problem and pre-dates Bush. Because I thought that your screed, along with many others, was that this was all Bush’s fault. Correct me if I am wrong.

• 42. SEW  |  June 16th, 2008 at 8:44 pm

  Gaijin, About what I expected out of a parrot. So

  . Watch this!

  Hussein’s birth certificate: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/814125/barack_obamas_birth_certificate.html - 59k

  Help me out. I didn’t find it. Crawl back in your hole.

• 43. neocon  |  June 16th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

  gay indian, I mean gaijin

  foxhole is working out great, SEW is hott, wish you were here.

  Why do you deny Obamas Muslim roots?? I can’t understand that. It is the perfect background to have to be the ultimate uniter.

  Embrace it my friend. And i only ask that you support gay Muslims around the globe.

  Have a nice day
  peace, neocon

• 44. SEW  |  June 16th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

  “How is Obama supposed to be a Muslim at two?’
  Gaijin

  Maybe read YOUR first sentence for the answer.

  hint “Obama’s father was Muslim.” Gaijin

• 45. Jeremiah  |  June 16th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

  So not only would he be the first black [citation needed] President….He would be the first Islamist (Islam is known to have caused people to do some crazy things.) President.

  Hope?

  Unbelievable.

• 46. bongoman  |  June 16th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

  What are you talking about Jeremiah? Please explain…

• 47. Jeremiah  |  June 16th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

  What are you talking about Jeremiah? Please explain…

  The man they call Barack Hussein Obama……Very dangerous individual…Very!

  But just forget it….you don’t understand, and I can’t stop you…So you’ll just have to feel.

• 48. Tractatus  |  June 16th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

  What are you talking about Jeremiah? Please explain…

  He hates Muslims (and isn’t exactly fond of black people) and considers the prospect of a Muslim president (even one who isn’t actually Muslim, such as Obama) to be tantamount to national suicide.

• 49. SEW  |  June 16th, 2008 at 9:46 pm

  Ga ijin,
  Really proud of you! I thought you were just another dumb liberal! So far you have a 50 on the final exam for producing Barry’s alleged birth certificate. The other 50% of the question was to produce the entire military record of the Fake War Hero. 70 is passing.

  How is the CO2 level in your cardboard box? Increasing as the O2 decreases? Does that produce extreme heat or is the temperature stable? Don’t worry, your buddy Pain has plenty of boxcutters in storage.

• 50. Jeremiah  |  June 16th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

  Let me tell you something people…these Democrats and Barack Obama’s campaign staff and managers are all EVIL minded and their working evil behind the scenes…because you must remember, the New Black Panther Party are some of the most racist bigoted people on the planet, and they will go to any extreme to get this dangerous man into a position of power.

  I am not name calling….the TRUTH will stand for what it is, and I will state the TRUTH just as it is. Period.

• 51. discolapin  |  June 16th, 2008 at 10:10 pm

  If this site is an indication of the state of contemporary conservatism, I truly feel sorry for you all.

  Will you even be able to hold it together long enough to reach the election? For your sake, I certainly hope so.

• 52. CanadianObserver  |  June 16th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

  Jeremiah….the New Black Panther Party are some of the most racist bigoted people on the planet, and they will go to any extreme to get this dangerous man into a position of power.

  ——————————
  If the New Black Panther Party got wind of your intentions, Jeremiah, what extremes would they have to go to in order to get you to change your view of Obama and cast your vote for him in November?

• 53. Mark Noonan  |  June 16th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

  Jeremiah,

  That is a bit over the top, brother - whatever Obama was born and raised early on, he’s brother in Christ, now…

  The issue here is, once again, just how little we know of Obama and his real views - we’ve got the possibility of electing a man of no executive experience, no real world experience in the private economy and who attended a racist, anti-American church for 20 years, apparantly without dissent. Obama needs to come completely clean on who he is.

• 54. Jeremiah  |  June 16th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

  Mark,

  Well, here’s how I feel about the situation…

  I know all I need to know about the man without him saying another word. He’s confirmed who is by those three things you’ve mentioned about him. So, to me, he’s someone in need, thus, not a member of the fold. Correct?

  Here’s the problem…He’s not going to tell the American people the truth straight up front, so they’re going to listen, and they’ve already proven it by handing him the Democratic primary season. So what the American people need to do at this point, is to decide…Since he’s not willing to own up to his background…they need to seriously consider where he’s stated specifically that he’s “not” Muslim, “not” racist, and “not” anti-American. In essence, he’s thrown dust in the peoples eyes, and blinded them with a charm of mere words, and even mocked Martin Luther King Jr. a TRUE brother in Christ. It would be hard for anyone not well grounded in truth not to accept his words. Remember, Satan is a liar from the beginning and he roams about seeking whomever he may devour.

  This is an important lessen in time that people should take notice…We’re not out to change Obama…we’re here to uphold truth, in order that truth may prevail, and when we do this, Obama will come around.

• 55. kmg  |  June 16th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

  Deleted - obscenity.

• 56. Mark Noonan  |  June 17th, 2008 at 12:00 am

  Jeremiah,

  There we might be at divergence on the definition of “Christian”. As for me, I take it at face value when someone says his Lord is Christ - unless rock solid evidence to the contrary comes up, I take such assertions as true. That Obama might still be in serious error - as many Christians are, a lot of the time, including your’s truly - doesn’t change the fact of his being a Christian.

  As for the specific case here, it would not surprise me in the least that Obama was given a large dose of Islam as a small boy, even if he was never “officially” Moslem (though they don’t have a baptismal sacrament or, indeed, anything required to be Moslem other than a proclamation that Allah is the only God and Mohammed is is prophet). From what I gather about Obama’s mother, she seems a person who was determined to go out of her way to defy her upper middle class American upbringing, as so many other young people in those days were…nothing like marrying a black foreigner and flirting with Islam to shake up the squares back home, huh? Of course, I don’t have any existential knowledge regarding this, but I’ve seen this type too often to not be able to recognise it pretty easy.

  Obama says that he became Christian - at Trinity United, which doesn’t really preach the truth message of Christ, but it was nonetheless where Obama says he bent the knee (as it were) and confessed that Christ is Lord. It was long ago settled (in the 4th century during the conflict with the Donatist heresy) that the worth of the minister doesn’t determine the worth of the sacrament…in other words, it doesn’t matter if the preacher drinks, womanizes and gambles, a conversion to Christ under his leadership is, indeed, a conversion to Christ, even if the minister, himself, is on the fast track to damnation. If Wright led Obama to Christ in spite of Wright’s perversions of the Christian message, then that is just an indicator of the power of the Holy Spirit to turn even simple evil into complex good. All else being equal, we must take Obama’s profession of faith at face value.

  That said, this is yet another indicator that Obama isn’t being entirely forthright about himself - and from what I can tell of his background, he has been playing a part since college, seemingly convinced that the Barack Obama raised as he was couldn’t make it high up in the world and that a new narrative was necessary - in Obama’s case, a black nationalist narrative. Now that Obama has stepped out of the hothouse of black radicalism, the things he once used to move forward are starting to drag him down, so he’s becoming increasingly mendacious in how he describes his background and associations. This level of dishonesty indicating a poisonous level of ambition is worrisome, and needs to be addressed before November.

  As it is our mutual duty, as Christians, to call each other to be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect so, too, is it our mutual duty to call Obama to this task - but to call into question his profession of faith is, I think, erroneous and not at all what God would want of us.

• 57. Jeremiah  |  June 17th, 2008 at 12:17 am

  Mark,

  Well, Ok, but I believe we must always question one’s sincerety of faith…and one of those areas is to look at where Obama stands on the abortion issue, and in that area no other word can describe him other than extreme in the least. Mark, if our brother’s ideology isn’t according to the Word and we believe them, then we’ve given into that same ideology, because he’s selfish….we’re not covered by the Blood of the Lamb when we do that. For Christ didn’t die so that we could go on sinning, but that we might made a new person.

• 58. Mark Noonan  |  June 17th, 2008 at 1:04 am

  Jeremiah,

  Calling to repentance: yes.

  Trying to decide what is in his heart: I’ve not the power.

• 59. Gaijin  |  June 17th, 2008 at 1:09 am

  Sew,

  It is up the the person making accusations to produce proof. You did not, I did, and I PWNED you! I never commented on John Kerry’s war record, so I don’t feel the need to address it. So far I am batting a 1000, and you can’t hit the ball off a Tee.

  As far as Obama being a Muslim because his father was a Muslim, you are wrong. Obama’s father became an atheist. Secondly, labeling a child with their parents’ religion is ridiculous. There are no Muslim, Christian or Buddhist Children. Children are a blank slate into which adults put their religion, belief system and prejudices. Not until a child is old enough to choose Christ, Allah or Ganesha are they of that religion.

  It would be the same as calling a 1 year old child a Communist, if his parents were Red Card Carrying Commies, or Republicans or Democrats. The child cannot comprehend or choose one or the other, therefore it is impossible.

  Should I bring in the girls softball team to slow pitch for you? I don’t want this to hurt your self esteem now. We liberals care about everyone’s feeling, and I would hate for you to feel bad because you just got PWNED in the market place of ideas!

  NeoCon,

  43 was a good post. It made me laugh, especially the Gay Indian part. I think I have thoroughly addressed your point. Oh, and I have nothing against gay Muslims. Gay scientologist on the otherhand, i.e. Tom Cruise and John Travolta, they scare the BeJeSus out of me.

  Peace, gaijin

• 60. Jeremiah  |  June 17th, 2008 at 1:24 am

  Mark,

  That’s what he needs, he needs repentance and to accept Christ into his life.

  As far as deciding what is in his heart, no, we can’t know for sure; but we can tell how sincere he is in his faithis because his inward self will come through in his outward appearance. Obama doesn’t recognize an unborn child as just that, a baby human being. Thus, he is not living in the faith, but in the flesh. He’s using faith as a cover up, in other words, he proclaims the faith, but he doesn’t live up to expectations of the faith. He defames the name and meaning of Christianity, Mark.

• 61. Mark Noonan  |  June 17th, 2008 at 2:35 am

  Jeremiah,

  No doubt about it, Obama is a sinner, just like me - the differnce is that he aspires to the White House, and I don’t (not immediately, at any rate). We do need clarification, but the man says that Christ is his Lord, and I trust that Our Lord is working on him to get him into full accordance with his will in Obama’s life - whether Obama is paying attention or not is something I can’t judge. I know that my return to faith wasn’t a magical event where, “poof”, everything was all better…I’m still being worked on, and there is much work left to do…if the sould is supposed to be a shining star, then mine has merely got some of the worst muck off it, but its still pretty gummed up with sins, past and present.

  Where Obama might be ten years from now in his walk with Christ, we don’t know - I suspect that now that he’s freed himself from Wright’s poison that the full truth is knocking heavily upon him. Will he let it in? Time will tell - but, meanwhile, he says he’s Christian, and I have to accept that…

• 62. Jonas Van Hessen  |  June 17th, 2008 at 6:32 am

  My parents are Catholic.
  I went to a Catholic grammar school.
  I went to a Catholic high school.
  I am not a Catholic. I am not even a Christian.

  For some reason, starting in the third grade, the whole Jesus was the Son of God just did not ring true to me. So despite twelve years of Christian education, I walked away a Deist.
  Of course, I pretend to be a Catholic just to appease my wife’s family. It does not take any effort. I know the rituals.

  Your own faith determines what you believe. The people around you do not matter.

• 63. Pain  |  June 17th, 2008 at 6:57 am

  Deleted - off topic.

• 64. kmg  |  June 17th, 2008 at 8:16 am

  Deleted - complains about comment policy.

• 65. Timothy Horrigan  |  June 17th, 2008 at 9:07 am

  Deleted - complains about comment policy.

• 66. lilly06  |  June 17th, 2008 at 9:18 am

  Deleted - too foolish for words.

• 67. Pain  |  June 17th, 2008 at 9:23 am

  Deleted - off topic.

• 68. Some Assembly Required  |  June 17th, 2008 at 9:29 am

  41. neocon | June 16th, 2008 at 8:44 pm

  Talking points? I guess if documented history is a talking point then you got me there…

  This is not entirely Bush’s fault. He’s done a lot in the past 7 years which he should be held accountable for, but the disastrous situation we find ourselves in now cannot be placed entirely on his shoulders. Just to cite a democrat president, Clinton’s NAFTA hasn’t helped, among other things.

  You just don’t get it do you. I am, along with other ‘liberals’ that post here completely able to weigh both sides while remaining ‘party blind’. Corruption and failure is not limited to any set party or race or religion and neither is our perception of it.

• 69. Pain  |  June 17th, 2008 at 10:33 am

  Deleted - off topic.

• 70. dedosinuna  |  June 17th, 2008 at 11:14 am

  Here’s the facts:

  1) Malik did not grow up in the same household - nor even the same country - as Obama, and in fact the two met for the very first time in 1985 when Barack was already 23. So Malik would have no first-hand knowledge of Barack’s upbringing.

  2) Barack attended school in Indonesia from 1967 to 1971, from age 6 to age 10. For the first two of those years, he was placed in Franciskus Assisus, which is a Catholic school (do you have anything against Catholics?). After that he was placed in the local public school. Yes, most people in Indonesia are muslim, so yes, most of the students at the school were muslim. But there were students there from many other religions as well - it was a public school.

  Think of it this way: if a Jewish child attends a public school in the US, does that make the child Christian because most of the other kids there are Christians?

  3) Obama’s Indonesian step-father was nominally a muslim, but as a humanist academic was not a practicing muslim, nor was he interested in raising Barack, who was not his child, in any particular faith.

  4) At the age of 10, Barack moved back to Hawaii where he was raised in the household of his white grandparents, who were both Christian.

  5) Barack Obama has been a practicing Christian for at least 20 years - which is approximately the same amount of time since W accepted Christ as his Savior.

  So thems the facts, and are easily verified. My personal opinion echoes Rana’s: 1) first off, why would anyone care if he were a muslim anyway? and 2) Despite point 1, Obama is not going to “embrace” being a muslim for one simple reason: he isn’t muslim and never was. Why would he - as some have stupidly suggested here - embrace something that is not true?

• 71. js  |  June 17th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

  Obama lived in Indonesia.

  He spent time attending two schools, one was all muslim, the other was mixed.

  Because Obamas natural father was muslim, and his adopted father was muslim, it is a requirement that Obama would have to attend the muslim training. The local law enforcement officials would intervene if Obama’s mother tried to send him to Christian schools in Indonesia. They would have stoned her or given her a prison sentence for not following tradition. Indeed, to this day, prison sentences are handed out to people who try to prostylize children to Christianity.

  And for real, anyone who attends a church promiting black ethics above Christain ethics is not a Christian. They are black supremacists. Trinity and Wright was influenced on the pricipals of James Cone, to name an exact reference, that if God was not fighting for the blacks, they needed to kill that God and make one who did….

  Wake up people….you are either blind as bats and dumb as dustballs in a blizzard or your ignorance is your only escape from reality if you believe what has been posted by these liberals in this blog.

• 72. CanadianObserver  |  June 17th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

  What are y’all afraid of; do y’all think that Obama is head of a Muslim terrorist cell and when he becomes President, all hell will break loose in the U.S. of A? Terrorists running amok, blowing up the very foundations of your democracy?

  If you right-wing religious fanatics were a laughing stock during the Bush administration, you are proving to be utterly ridiculous during this Presidential election process.

  What has happened to your reasoning powers and your good old common sense? Do you have any idea how brain dead you appear to the rest of the world?

• 73. test » Blog Archive&hellip  |  June 17th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

  [...] Anne Lieberman wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptMelanie Phillips is the most recent commentator to draw attention to the massive body of evidence that leaves no doubt that Barak Hussein Obama was born a Muslim (Islam is patrilineal) and raised a Muslim (so registered in school, … Read the rest of this great post here [...]

• 74. dedosinuna  |  June 18th, 2008 at 12:39 am

  js -

  “Because Obamas natural father was muslim, and his adopted father was muslim, it is a requirement that Obama would have to attend the muslim training. The local law enforcement officials would intervene if Obama’s mother tried to send him to Christian schools in Indonesia. They would have stoned her or given her a prison sentence for not following tradition. Indeed, to this day, prison sentences are handed out to people who try to prostylize children to Christianity.”

  Sheesh. Among all the ignorant nonsense posted on this blog daily, this one may be the dumbest. Congratulations.

  So local law enforcement would’ve intervened if Obama’s mom had sent him to a Christian school in Indonesia? Uh, it is irrefutably documented that Barack in fact spent his first two years in Indonesia attending a Catholic school.

  Question: how many people have been put to death in Indonesia by stoning in the last 50 years? Answer: Zero.

  You all should be embarressed. How depressing to know that such mean-spirited ignoramuses share this great country.

  You all can spread ignorant, wildly distorted, hate-filled smears all you want about Barack. Come November, you’ll just be calling him Commander-in-chief. Make sure you salute sharply - Mr McCain will be.

• 75. Mark Noonan  |  June 18th, 2008 at 1:37 am

  Jonas,

  So, living a lie is ok by you? Remind me never to loan you any money…

• 76. My new WordPress MU Site &hellip  |  June 18th, 2008 at 1:54 am

  [...] Anne Lieberman wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptMelanie Phillips is the most recent commentator to draw attention to the massive body of evidence that leaves no doubt that Barak Hussein Obama was born a Muslim (Islam is patrilineal) and raised a Muslim (so registered in school, … [...]

• 77. Pain  |  June 18th, 2008 at 7:09 am

  75. Mark Noonan | June 18th, 2008 at 1:37 am

  But you would have a lesbian marry a man and raise a family??

  That is not living a lie???

  Lick the knife Noonan!

• 78. Pain  |  June 18th, 2008 at 7:15 am

  71. js | June 17th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

  And for real, anyone who attends a church promiting black ethics above Christain ethics is not a Christian. They are black supremacists. Trinity and Wright was influenced on the pricipals of James Cone, to name an exact reference, that if God was not fighting for the blacks, they needed to kill that God and make one who did….

  We are proud to offer this lesson in deciphering Right Wing code.

  In that quoted passage from js if you substitute out one word you get the rue meaning . . .

  “And for real, anyone who attends a church promiting [sic] black ethics above white American hegemony is against white American hegemony. They are black supremacists. Trinity and Wright was influenced on the pricipals of James Cone, to name an exact reference, that if Justice and Equity was not fighting for the blacks, they needed to level the playing field “by any means necessary” and make white Americans succeed on their own merits . . .”

• 79. lilly06  |  June 18th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

  Whatever Noonan. You can disagree and remove my comment but it was far from foolish.

  What is foolish is to give rubbish like this some credit.

  Check you sources, at least the validity of them.

• 80. Jeremiah  |  June 18th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

  But you would have a lesbian marry a man and raise a family??

  If a woman is married to a man, what is she?

  Care to share that with us?

  My guess is she’s not living a lie, but the truth.

  Homosexuality is a lie straight from Hell.
  Alcoholism is a lie straight from Hell.
  Abortion is a lie straight from Hell.
  Murder is a lie straight from Hell.

  Think not? Then you better think again, because that’s where Homosexuality, Alcoholism, Abortion, Murder, Drug abuse all lead.

  It’s Billy Sunday said, ‘Beer and Whiskey are all in their right place, but their place is in Hell.’

  And I agree with that….Amen! Brother Sunday.

• 81. Jeremiah  |  June 18th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

  http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books,%20Tracts%20&%20Preaching/Printed%20Sermons/Dr%20Jack%20Hyles/the_salvation_of_a_nation.htm

• 82. Pain  |  June 19th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

  61. Mark Noonan | June 17th, 2008 at 2:35 am

  And here is the truth from media matters and the entire transcript of the conversation from ABC’s Jake Tapper with a link to the interview audio that Malik Obama had with Israeli Army Radio. At no time did he ever say that Barack Obama was a Muslim.

• 83. Vicodin-N-Cocoa  |  June 19th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

  Pain, I have to hand it to Jeremiah. He has a very good sense of humor. I never thought someone could quote Billy Sunday and almost make me believe he was serious.

  What will always baffle me is why if religion is so wonderful are all the orthodox and extremists so ANGRY all the time.

  I’ve written this before. I live with a Roman Catholic woman who reads the bible every day and takes mass every Sunday and it makes her very, very happy and gives her a great sense of meaning and joy. I’m jealous. I don’t know what it’s like to believe in God and based upon the passages in the bible she’s shown me, she and these folks are reading very different books.

  She shows me stuff about “judge not lest ye be judged,” and “if a man asks for your cloak, give him your coat as well,” and that kind of thing. I didn’t see anything in there about abortion or drugs. Or the Republican Party.

• 84. Jeremiah  |  June 19th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

  She shows me stuff about “judge not lest ye be judged,” and “if a man asks for your cloak, give him your coat as well,” and that kind of thing. I didn’t see anything in there about abortion or drugs. Or the Republican Party.

  LOL!

  Angry?

  So, if a man asks for a gun to shoot himself, give it to him?

  If a woman asks for another abortion let her have it? And another? and another? and another? and another?

  If a man asks for lethal drugs, give them to him?

  If a person is not sure if they’ll get AIDS from living a Sodomite life but doesn’t care and continues in the Sodomite lifestyle… encourage them to continue in their demented deadly lifestyle?

  If you said “yes” to any of the above questions, you most likely need to see a psychatrist, however, it’s most likely that you don’t have a cure, but have a reprobate mind, in which you have no power in yourself to overcome that state of mind, and the only thing that will help you is those who sincerely care about you and will pray for your deliverance from your condition.

  Vicodin, friend, I’ll be praying for you…as it seems your wife has no interest in the end result of your condition…which is more dreadful than I can explain, except to tell you that you have an escape through the shed blood of Jesus Christ, and only HE my friend, can save.

• 85. Pain  |  June 19th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

  84. Jeremiah | June 19th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

  You really did quote Billy Sunday??!

  Three sons who hardly knew their parents during the Depression because they were off saving Souls. The Sunday boys were among the biggest womanizers on the East Coast. Billy and Nell Sunday paid out thousands of dollars to blackmailers to keep quiet about the lifestyles of their children so they could continue to reap money flowing in at a rate of 71 times the earnings of the average worker in those days.

  A little history courtesy Wikipedia about the progeny of the “devout and Christian” Billy and Nell Sunday:
  “All three of Sunday’s sons died violently: George from a “fall” from a hotel window; Billy, Jr. in an automobile crash after a night of partying; and Paul in an airplane crash. Although Sunday’s four children contracted nine marriages, Billy and Nell Sunday had only three grandchildren. The grandchildren, in turn, contracted five marriages that resulted in only one great-grandchild, who apparently died childless. The great-grandchild, Marquis Ashley Sunday, was killed by his lover in San Francisco on March 22, 1982. Therefore, fifty years after his death, Sunday had no known living descendants. Dorsett, 126-130. Firstenberger, 136-137, gives the genealogical details. “

• 86. Jeremiah  |  June 19th, 2008 at 10:22 pm

  Wikipedia?

  HAHAHAHA!

  Try again.

  If that is true…then I could see where Brother Sunday would be tremendously discouraged over his children’s sinful choices.

  We can’t make anyone, ‘I’ can’t make anyone accept Christ as their personal savior…they must make that decision themselves, all I can do is share the truth with them. So, Brother Billy Sunday was doing what was right for his two sons, but they just didn’t see the danger in a life without Christ.

  We all have choices to make, but the choice that will affect us the most is the one that will send us to one of two places…Heaven or Hell (Life or Death.) I choose ‘Life.’ And I want to share life with others so that they may make the choice to spare themselves the agony of an eternity of Death in torment.

• 87. John McSame  |  September 10th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

  Have you enjoyed the last 8 years under bush? did you enjoy the iraq quagmire? do you like $120/barrel oil vs. $20/barrel oil like clinton left for bush? do you like having less freedoms, less jobs, and more war?

  America voted in the 2000 primary that John McSame was WORSE than Bush…

  A vote for McCain is like a vote for an IraN war…