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• 1. Casper  |  June 29th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

  “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

  According to the Constitution, those are the qualifications to be president. Both men meet those qualifications. As for executive responsibility, both men have run successful national presidential campaigns to get this far. That is (IMO) far more difficult than running a small company (and I’ve run several successful businesses).

• 2. Casper  |  June 29th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

  “Liberals have become so desperate to attack John McCain that they’ll stoop to any low.. even attacking his military service.”

  Yes, how dare they Swiftboat McCain.

• 3. dickvee  |  June 29th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

  Casper…Swiftboat is not a bad adjective. Only when the stoopid dems mean it to be a lie. However, John Kerry did bring his camera to film himself, he just didn’t get a good vid of hitting himself with a richochet. Too bad he didn’t get an award trying to film his non-existent Christmas trip huh? ha ha Lying libs…and that POS Clark is as slimy as they get.

• 4. Matt Margolis  |  June 29th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

  swift•boat verb : to expose the truth about someone or something

• 5. The New Conservative  |  June 29th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

  If this is the tactics there going to use it will blow up right in their face. No one questions that McCain is a war hero if the dems try to it’s going to be a blow out for our side on Election Day.

  http://www.thenewconservatives.blogspot.com/

• 6. Bigfoot  |  June 29th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

  Back in 2004, Dems faulted Dubya for not having gone to Vietnam and risking his life in combat experience. Look at Kerry, we were told. He went over there and fought, while Dubya merely flew planes over Texas. But now that the ‘Pubs have a candidate who did go to Vietman, and spent 5 years in the communist rathole known as the “Hanoi Hilton”, General Clark would have us believe that such experience doesn’t count.

  But on the other hand, with their own nominees Obama and (Bill) Clinton, a total lack of military experience is no problem.

• 7. phnx  |  June 29th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

  Weasely Clark just shot himself in the foot. I hope he keeps it up.

• 8. Kahn  |  June 29th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

  There was that whole Annapolis thing McCain did wasn’t there? I’m just a stupid old conservative I guess, but I’m pretty sure Annapolis is the U.S. Naval Academy.

  Oh, and his father and grandfather were both Admirals. (Liberals, that there Admiral thingy is a senior rank thing in the Navy.) And he retired as a captain, which is pretty senior actually.

  Better read up on his medals and awards before you attack too hard liberals. The torture. The turning down release unless others captured before him were released.

  You know, we are sick of your hatred. We really are.

• 9. neocon  |  June 29th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

  The Democrats are going to blow, what should have been a show-up and win election for them.

  Their arrogance has led them to nominate one of the most flawed candidates they have nominated in a long time. And considering McGovern, that’s saying something.

  Obama’s run to the center is hurting him with his base, and is being scene by independents as the disingenuous move that it is.

  McCain needs to be energetic and stay on message and November may come up roses.

• 10. Casper  |  June 29th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

  “swift•boat verb : to expose the truth about someone or something”

  So Clark did swiftboat McCain.

  “If this is the tactics there going to use it will blow up right in their face. No one questions that McCain is a war hero if the dems try to it’s going to be a blow out for our side on Election Day.”

  That’s what Kerry thought in 2004.

• 11. Kahn  |  June 29th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

  Thanks Sara. Old news actually.

  Look closely at the argument. A person born on foreign bases not subject to the laws of the US? Didn’t the Supreme Court just say that for terrorists, being on a base does in fact make you subject to US laws?

  Sorry Casper - which exactly of the Swift Boat Vets claims were untrue?

• 12. phnx  |  June 29th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

  “That’s what Kerry thought in 2004″ Casper

  slight difference, Kerry was a faux war hero turned war protester, accusing US troops of committing atrocities far worse than “Ghengis Khan” pronounced with a haughty air…Jengis Khan.

  McCain was a real war hero and is a patriot. Hussein Obmama? not so much.

• 13. Sara  |  June 29th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

  Kahn, I was a Navy wife and in the 26 years we were a military family, I spent more than one stay in a military hospital, in various locations. Lots of babies being born and not once did I think the hospital was not under U.S. control or that those babies weren’t citizens, when Dad and Mom were and one or the other was on active duty and stationed wherever on orders of the U.S. government. I’ll bet the babies born at Naval Hospital Pearl Harbor on or around Dec. 7, 1941, including my cousin, think they are citizens, but Hawaii wasn’t a state.

  But this is getting way off topic, so I’m going swimming.

• 14. bull  |  June 29th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

  “He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn’t held executive responsibility. That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded — that wasn’t a wartime squadron,” Clark said.

  “I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.”

  So Wes, wtf is it about mr. hussein obama that actually says that he IS qualified for the postion? i’d love to know.

• 15. Max Power  |  June 29th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

  I miss the America I grew up in, where an attack on someone who served their country was unthinkable.

  But after what they did to Max Cleland…..

  I’ve voted for Sen. Shelby here in Alabama several times because he’s a nice guy and didn’t seem too ideological.

  Never again.

  If you have an (R) by your name, you will not receive my vote.

  Like I said- I miss the country I grew up in.

• 16. Kahn  |  June 29th, 2008 at 9:16 pm

  Max, so you’re in the Klan then? Because that’s the way Alabama was under the Democrats. Just for the record.

• 17. Casper  |  June 29th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

  “Sorry Casper - which exactly of the Swift Boat Vets claims were untrue?”

  I wasn’t talking about Kerry, I was talking about McCain.

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• 20. Zooey Hussien  |  June 29th, 2008 at 11:55 pm

  Deleted - off topic.

• 21. Kahn  |  June 30th, 2008 at 12:16 am

  Thanks Zooey.

  To think this once honorable man has now stooped to attacking a winner of the Legion of Merit and Distinguished Flying Cross, the POW Medal and others. A man who refused release when his father took over Navy operations in Viet Nam unless all prisoners taken prior to him were also released. A man who has suffered real torture defending us. Torture that has left him so that he can’t raise his hand above his head.

  To think that Clark has turned into such a douchebag NOW after such meritorious service THEN is surely one of the great tragic stories of our time. You highlight the fall better than I ever could.

• 22. Hal  |  June 30th, 2008 at 2:40 am

  “A man who refused release when his father took over Navy operations in Viet Nam unless all prisoners taken prior to him were also released.”

  There’s no valor whatsoever in what McCain did in that situation. I bet any cowardly pisswilly would do the same, knowing that if you’d run out on your comrades you’d be a pariah for the rest of your miserable life. Stop trying to turn him into another phony war hero like the Idiot Col. Olive North.

  McCain’s irrelevant. Real Americans are tired of the phony patriotic schmaltz on blogs like this. I’m surprised anyone reads something called “blogs for victory.” What a bunch of phony cornpone. You guys don’t sound patriotic; you sound like ungrateful old Stalinists. Grow up.

• 23. Plantation Owner  |  June 30th, 2008 at 6:45 am

  “I miss the America I grew up in, where an attack on someone who served their country was unthinkable.
  But after what they did to Max Cleland…..
  I’ve voted for Sen. Shelby here in Alabama several times because he’s a nice guy and didn’t seem too ideological.
  Never again.
  If you have an (R) by your name, you will not receive my vote.
  Like I said- I miss the country I grew up in.”

  Refresh my memory Min Power, was this attack before or after military service attack on Dan Quayle or Ronald Reagan???

• 24. Cooldown  |  June 30th, 2008 at 7:52 am

  I watched the youtube video of the interview. Clark did offer a lot of praise for McCain. But seriously swift-boating of McCain is not needed. Just ask one question, are you better off today after eight years of conservative trickle down policy that favors the rich and big business?

  McCain embraces Bush’s policies, has the charisma of Bob Dole and throws in just enough liberalism to throw off the Repug base. I like Obama’s chances.

• 25. neocon  |  June 30th, 2008 at 8:50 am

  “McCain embraces Bush’s policies, has the charisma of Bob Dole and throws in just enough liberalism to throw off the Repug base. I like Obama’s chances.” - cooldown

  If you have ever read or listened to any policy speech of McCain, you’d realize how absurd that statement is.

  McCain actually has many populist ideas that are attracting the independents, and that the base is warming to. Read the following speech and know how fa in over his head Obama truly is.

  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/mccains_speech_to_naleo.html

  I guarantee a McCain win.

  peace, neocon

• 26. Kahn  |  June 30th, 2008 at 10:45 am

  Hal,

  Thanks for that. Saying stuff like that in public gets a $1000 donation to the McCain campaign from me. Just put it in the mail.

  Again, thanks. I’m so happy you didn’t try to hide your true self in that post. Really.

• 27. Hey Now  |  June 30th, 2008 at 10:49 am

  “Liberals have become so desperate to attack John McCain that they’ll stoop to any low.. even attacking his military service.”

  That’s exactly what the Republicans did to John Kerry. He was a faux hero as some of you say here. People were saying he ‘ shot himself’ and that he ’shot an unarmed child in the back’, etc. etc. which have all proven to be false. Even making fun of him by wearing ‘ purple heart band-aids’. So the Clark didn’t stoop to a new low, it was already set by the Republicans years back. “Absolutely disgusting” indeed Mr. Noonan.

  “slight difference, Kerry was a faux war hero turned war protester, accusing US troops of committing atrocities far worse than “Ghengis Khan” pronounced with a haughty air…Jengis Khan.”

  How brainwashed can you be? Read up phnx, you may learn something….

  http://www.factcheck.org/article231.html

  http://www.factcheck.org/swift_boat_veterans_anti-kerry_ad_he_betrayed.html

  http://www.factcheck.org/republican-funded_group_attacks_kerrys_war_record.html

• 28. FmrMarine  |  June 30th, 2008 at 11:29 am

  casper;

  hile>>>how dare they Swiftboat McCain.>>>

  Thay Cant…McCain was a pilot.
  sKerry got “swiftboated” by ahem…fellow swiftboaters who saw first hand the LIES, BU!! $#!T, and band aid self inflicted - scratches which he used to cowardly ABANDON his command nine months early and get the hell out of dodge…………..TYPICAL RAT!

  >>>>”the Winter Soldier allegations made in 1971 by a group of dissident Vietnam Vets, of ………………………………………………………………………………………..whom John Kerry was a prominent member.

  we now know a great deal about the original Winter Soldiers, who were the first Americans to try this aid-and-abet-the-enemy scheme on such a large scale, with a collective organization in a public forum.

  We know from resulting investigations of the Winter Soldiers’ allegations, FBI reports and independent research that a large number of those who publicly spoke in 1971, were phonies and liars, while some were merely repeating rumors, hearsay or stories spun for them by behind-the-scenes prompters. Many of the original Winter Soldiers never even served in Vietnam. Some of those claiming to have been wounded in the war were found later to have had sports injuries from civilian life, not war wounds.

  Telling tall tales of atrocity after atrocity, war crime after war crime, these dissident vets framed the entire American army and their commanders as the outright enemies of every standard of decency. They freely slandered 2 ½ million United States soldiers as rampaging barbarians without a shred of conscience, even admitting to some war crimes themselves, on the grounds that they were mentally impaired by the horrors of war.”>>>>>

  http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html
  http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php

• 29. Pain  |  June 30th, 2008 at 11:34 am

  swift boat Mod. Eng. verb A strong pejorative description of some kind of attack that the speaker considers unfair or untrue—for example, an ad hominem attack or a smear campaign.

• 30. FmrMarine  |  June 30th, 2008 at 11:42 am

  heyhead;

  >>>How brainwashed can you be? Read up phnx, you may learn something….>>>

  Learn from Who you??????

  This guy was a BOAT commander.
  They patrolled rivers…as in water…….they did not fight epic battles……run patrols on land….or enter villages.
  They kept the enemy from moving by boat……
  75 swifties killed in combat in a ten year period.

  I served in Viet Nam 1966-1968 USMC
  Da Nang, Phubai-Hue, Khe sanh, Dong Ha.
  and I will tell YOUR sorry ass first hand We did not commit atrocities.
  and NO ONE and I mean NO ONE got a “Heart”
  for kerry type “wounds” or we ALL would have had 100 of them.
  your boy kerry is a FAKE, a COWARD, and a LIAR.
  hope you learned something other than propaganda from a left wing ….web site.

  PS THIRTEEN THOUSAND of my fellow Marines died during this same period of time.

• 31. majoriot  |  June 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am

  You want to criticize Clark, give it a go.

  Otherwisre, where is the quote, evidence, link, whatever that indicates Clark is speaking on Obama’s behalf?

• 32. Conservatives Suck  |  June 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

  After 8 years of getting raped by Bush, you stupid fucking conservatives still want more? You deserve the government you get, ya inbred hicks.

• 33. Danish Artist  |  June 30th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

  The hell’s human computer repeats

  “that the speaker considers…”

  Well any liberal speaker would consider the truth to be an unfair attack.

• 34. Hey Now  |  June 30th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

  You obviously saw first hand what Kerry went through FmrMarine. Mark and Matt use factcheck.org as source but when I use it…. it’s a leftwing site. I get it….I respect and thank you for your service. I was in the Army for 2 years, so don’t call me a ’sorry ass’ I’d whoop you in your prime,old man.

  I’m not saying you committed atrocities but there are well documented cases of soldiers doing so in Vietnam whether you like it or not.
  Look up Son Thang….

  Most of the Swiftboat vets weren’t even on Kerry’s boat but you’ll take their word over Kerry’s own crew. Navy records contradict what you and the SwiftBoat say.

  Anyways, back to the topic:

  Has Wesley Clark in some way made any untrue allegations in saying that being a POW and a non-combat era fighter pilot does not necessarily qualify you for the highest elected office in the land?

• 35. \'08ama  |  June 30th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

  Ku Klux Kahn:

  Yes, the southern Democrats of the 40’s and 50’s sure were a racist bunch. What ever happened to them ? Where can you find them now-a-days ?

  Hmmmmmm, I wonder.

• 36. '08ama  |  June 30th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

  Conservatives Suck:

  C’mon man, you’re starting to sound like one of THEM !

  Only ‘join them’ when you cannot beat them, not when we have a stranglehold on their necks, red or otherwise.

• 37. Conservatives Suck  |  June 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

  08ama:

  Problem is conservatives seem to hate, fear and not listen to REASON. How else do you deal with someone who believes in the talking snake? I’m not one for lowering myself to the sheeple’s level, but when things like the EXISTENCE of our country and planet are at stake, well, yeah I’ll kick their asses if it means there’s still a chance…

• 38. FmrMarine  |  June 30th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

  heyass;

  >>>I was in the Army for 2 years, so don’t call me a ’sorry ass’ I’d whoop you in your prime,old man.>>

  Sure “TOUGH GUY” - BOY!
  Camon Down….as they say draftee!

• 39. FmrMarine  |  June 30th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

  earbama;

  >>>Ku Klux Kahn:

  Yes, the southern Democrats of the 40’s and 50’s sure were a racist bunch. What ever happened to them ? Where can you find them now-a-days ?

  Hmmmmmm, I wonder.>>

  Try stormfront, or one of many racist - anti Semite democrat sites.

• 40. Jon Parker  |  June 30th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

  Not once in this comment section do i see what actually happened, just twisted distortions.

  The exchange went like this:

  Bob Schiefer: I have to say, Barack Obama hasn’t had any of those experiences either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down.

  Wes Clark: Well I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.

  Nowhere in that interview does Clark attack McCain’s service record. His point is that McCain’s supposed national security strength is flimsy when it comes to actual command responsibility. Nothing more, nothing less.

  This whole thing is a ridiculous tempest stirred up by desperate Republicans. The entire thing is on YouTube, go watch it and tell me just where Clark “attacks his service.” Do it. I dare you.

• 41. FmrMarine  |  June 30th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

  jp

  It seems we dont have to take your DARE…O. hussein handled it quite nicely.

  wasnt ole clark..RELIEVED of duty? as in FIRED?
  sour grapes?

  >>>Obama’s speech Monday in Independence, Mo., included an implicit repudiation of Clark’s sentiments: “Let me say at this at outset of my remarks. I will never question the patriotism of others in this campaign.

  “Let me also add that no one should ever devalue [military] service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, Obama added, later in the speech. “We must always express our profound gratitude for the service of our men and women in uniform. Period — full stop.”

  Obama spokesman Bill Burton goes further: “As he’s said many times before, Senator Obama honors and respects Senator McCain’s service, and of course

  GET THIS OBAMA……..

  ….he rejects yesterday’s statement by General Clark.”

• 42. Jon Parker  |  June 30th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

  And I’m pretty disgusted by Obama’s repudiation, frankly. There’s a way to react to this sort of lying smear, but conceding that Clark said something wrong isn’t it.

• 43. Kahn  |  June 30th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

  CS, I haven’t seen yoiu talk reason yet. ONLY stupid insults. And you suck at that.

  How is Obama going to solve energy? You guys are against solar, wind, coal, natural gas, and nuclear. You want to renegotiate NAFTA, while we get the bulk of our oil from Canada and Mexico. You want to tax the oil companies, and make them drill where oil isn’t while preventing them from drilling where oil is. Brilliant

  How is Obama going to justify the move towards socialism? Why can’t you be honest and admit that’s his/your plan? EVERYONE making over $100 will see a tax increase. Yes - they will. His plans raise taxes 60% Under Obama, we would see a minority supporting the majority. Already 70% of the budget goes to entitlements. His plan is wealth and income redistribution. You want to give away half your stuff? Get divorced or just give your money away.

  How is Obama going to negotiate with Iran AFTER pulling our guys out of a fight they are actually winning? What carrots and sticks do you see being available in that discussion?

  You want to discuss things? Discuss things. You pip.

  FYI, better check up on Obamas CURRENT stands on guns and Electronic surveillance. Unless of course, you assume he’s lying to pander to voters? Look next for a nuanced explanation of his position on Iraq. Well, if he’s not an idiot.

• 44. FmrMarine  |  June 30th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

  Kahn;

  This is earbamas hit man?

  Wesley Clark reminds us why he got fired
  Posted By Uncle Jimbo

  During the last election those in the Democratic party smart enough to know John Kerry’s warrior pose was not going to fly, looked to Wesley Clark as the answer. Problem is they were overlooking the fact that Wes came one principled British officer away from starting WWIII in a fit of pique. Now he has played the lamest of all cards calling Joe Lieberman a chickenhawk. I would like to state that calling CH is right there with Nazi, you have instantly lost.

  Wes was NATO Commander and running things in Kosovo, when for one of the very first times we worked directly with Russian troops in a peace-keeping role. Gen. Clark inaugurated our inaugural operation with a new ally, by ordering a British General to militarily interdict the Russians as they attempted to occupy the airport they believed they were to safeguard and operate from. Wes had other ideas and absent Gen. Mike Jackson of the British Army, he would have picked a fight with a country we had just ended 40 years of Cold War with. I can hardly emphasize the tremendously poor judgment that would put a nascent relationship with the most dangerous nation we have ever had a beef with in jeopardy. At most it was an administrative dispute about which units from the same team would handle which sectors, Clark escalated things in a way that showed his complete unsuitability for great responsibility.

  One month later Wes was relieved and put out to pasture, rightfully so. Some of this was relayed to me by a person who was there but most is public knowledge. If I had to choose between Wesley Clark and Joe Lieberman to run our foreign and security policy as Commander in Chief, Congratulations President Lieberman.

• 45. Casper  |  June 30th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

  So how did McCain’s military experiences prepare him to be president?

• 46. FmrMarine  |  June 30th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

  casper

  so how did earbamas experience prepare him for the community organizer he was?

• 47. Lagrange  |  June 30th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

  Deleted - off topic.

• 48. FmrMarine  |  June 30th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

  lar

  HA HA HA !!! bro!

• 49. Pitter Patter  |  June 30th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

  Obama, shut down Wesley now and publicly. you failed to do son on Wright and your Wife but dammit shut him up now!
  Wesley has reached his moment of public shame and now should just go live in a cabin somewhere and think about what he has said. Go grow that Gore beard.

• 50. Casper  |  June 30th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

  FmrMarine,
  Since you didn’t answer my question, should I assume that his experiences don’t help?

• 51. FmrMarine  |  June 30th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

  casper;

  to moronic of a question to even entertain an “answer”.
  If you have to ask……….well you SHOULD know the rest.

• 52. neocon  |  June 30th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

  Casper,

  Does the phrase: “Reporting for Duty” ring a bell?

  Four years ago that was touted by the Democrats as proof positive that he was ready to be the CIC.

  What changed?

  peace, neocon

• 53. Casper  |  June 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

  FmrMarine,
  So you don’t have an answer. Interesting.

• 54. Casper  |  June 30th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

  neocon,
  Four years ago military experience wasn’t considered important by the Republicans.

  What changed?

• 55. FmrMarine  |  June 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

  neo

  You have GOT to watch Ollie scorching wesley.

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=N3gP-gfOxSw

• 56. neocon  |  June 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

  Military experience has always been considered important. It was John Kerrys four months of service followed by his testimony to congress citing the bogus egregious actions (in the fashion of Genghis Khan) of his own colleagues that rankled many conservatives.

  Interesting though how you answered my question with another question. Having trouble finding an answer?

  peace, neocon

• 57. FmrMarine  |  June 30th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

  casp

  >>Four years ago military experience wasn’t considered important by the Republicans.>>

  Sure it was…THATS why we REelected…another FIGHTER PILOT!

• 58. Casper  |  June 30th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

  “Interesting though how you answered my question with another question. Having trouble finding an answer?”

  My original question was on post 45. You answered that with a question. No one has answered it yet. So once again:
  So how did McCain’s military experiences prepare him to be president?

• 59. neocon  |  June 30th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

  Casper,

  That is such a ridiculous, juvenile, pedestrian question that I will forget you queried it. I expect that question to come from one of the pitchforkers, not someone like you who has yet to be fully indoctrinated.

  Of course, maybe that transition has taken place.

  But I will suggest that 23 years in the Senate sure beats 2, right?

  peace, neocon

• 60. neocon  |  June 30th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

  FmrMarine,

  Thanks for the link….Ollie rocks!

• 61. Kahn  |  June 30th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

  Casper, welllll McCain understands loyalty, duty, honor, and service. More than most members of the Senate (with several major exceptions), he understands the cost of war. He’s been there. He understands how awful it can be.

  Agreed?

  McCain has first hand knowledge. Not only the stuff he picked up from a PBS documentary like Obama.

• 62. Casper  |  June 30th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

  neocon,
  I agree that McCain has more Senate experience and that is a plus for him.

  “That is such a ridiculous, juvenile, pedestrian question that I will forget you queried it”

  If it is such a ridiculous, juvenile, pedestrian question then I would expect that it would be easy to answer. Apparently not.

  Lincoln had almost no military experience before being elected president and is considered as one of our greatest presidents. Grant was one our greatest generals and is considered one of our worst presidents, so I think it’s fair to ask how to ask how McCain’s military experiences prepare him to be president?

  That said, as I’ve said before, I have a great deal of respect for McCain and I would not be unhappy if he wins. However, since so much has been brought up about Obama’s qualifications there is nothing wrong in looking at McCain’s qualifications and his military service is considered a big part of that.

• 63. Casper  |  June 30th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

  Kahn,
  Thank you for your answer. At least someone is willing to answer a simple question. However, that doesn’t mean he would be a good president.

• 64. Danish Artist  |  June 30th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

  Let’s see…..

  To liberal Democrats:

  in ‘92 election, military service did not matter liberal candidate did not have military experience.

  in ‘96 the same.

  in 2000, military service mattered liberal candidate had some (a reporter who served less than 9 months, left for divinity school and flunked out).

  in 2004, military service mattered liberal candidate had some (a disgraced swiftboat commander who gave himself 2 of 3 purple hearts for a quick ride home, well you know the rest).

  in 2008, we have come full circle. Liberal candidate has not military service and his liberal minions are now questioning one who did serve.

  Liberals more of the same BS in a different package.

• 65. Casper  |  June 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

  Danish Artist,
  Amazing how the Republicans have gone just the opposite. I guess both sides are full of BS.

• 66. neocon  |  June 30th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

  Casper,

  I am amazed I have to answer the obvious. McCains military experienced has taught him loyalty, determination, to remain focused under pressure, and most importantly leadership.

  The military prepares someone for just about anything.

  Semper Fi
  have a nice day
  peace, neocon

• 67. neocon  |  June 30th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

  Unfortunately Kerry used the military for his own personal 15 minutes of fame, shamelessly accusing his own of atrocities.

  Nobody deserves a President like that.

  peace, neocon

• 68. Casper  |  June 30th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

  neocon,
  There you go. It’s ok to question Kerry’s service but not McCains. How do you know that Kerry’s military experience didn’t teach him loyalty, determination, to remain focused under pressure, and most importantly leadership. How do you know that McCain’s did?

  You and Kahn have a good argument and I would probably agree with you if you didn’t have to have it both ways.

• 69. neocon  |  June 30th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

  I believe Kerry to be a self serving, superficial person. That’s all.

• 70. Casper  |  June 30th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

  As far as the self serving part, I would include both McCain and Obama. It kind of goes with the territory.

• 71. Willem van Oranje  |  July 1st, 2008 at 12:00 am

  Deleted - just about the dumbest statement I’ve ever read, and I’ve read comments at Daily Kos before.

• 72. Willem van Oranje  |  July 1st, 2008 at 1:05 am

  I guess you’ve all heard of Hannibal, the Carthaginian military commander and tactician, and his elephants.

  Did you also learn that his expedition into Italy led to the fall of his beloved Carthago?

  Military tactician love his military endeavours, but Hannibal failed in the most important goal of his leadership: preserve the status of the Carthago Empire. It never recovered from his expeditions.

  World history is littered with stories like his.

• 73. Kahn  |  July 1st, 2008 at 1:29 am

  Casper, you asked why his service would be important. There are other reasons…

• 74. Kahn  |  July 1st, 2008 at 1:39 am

  WVO, well war never solved anything I guess.

  Except of course for slavery, Nazism, and fascism, oh and establishing the first democratically elected republic.

  Seems we had to land in France and fight our way through your country a while back. Meanwhile, you were getting rid of all your Jews and packing them off to German ovens. You know, a military expedition by the Brits and Americans helped put an end to that.

  Then just a scant dozen years ago with European love leading to the beginning of genocide in the Balkans, who threw the most weight into stopping it? You? The Germans? Portugal? Nope. I don’t think we need to be lectured on how its done by the dutch.

• 75. Kahn  |  July 1st, 2008 at 1:51 am

  Casper, John Kerry wrote in his book that he remembered being sent into Cambodia by Nixon (except his boat never went to Cambodia nd he didn’t serve under Nixon). He met with the North Vietnamese in secret in Paris. He led an “anti-war” movement that actually made it harder to negotiate and get out.

  He falsely accused his fellow soldiers and sailors and Marines of widespread atrocities. He threw his medals over a fence on Capital Hill in protest and bragged about it on the Dick Cavett Show (now of course he denies it).

  There is evidence his wounds (at least two) were extremely minor. And he did in fact put himself in for medals.

  There were only a few actual Swift Boat ads. The one about the purple hearts and Silver Star were the most controversial and are certainly arguable. But the ones about Kerry’s testimony before Congress and throwing medals over the fence and bragging about it are not. There is film of these actions.

  Did he deserve his medals? Who knows? Maybe so. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and thanks for his service.

  But that was not the ONLY Swift Boat ad:
  1. Meeting with the enemy in Paris? (not actually in a Swift Boat ad)
  2. Slandering American troops in public and under oath?
  3. Lying about going to Cambodia under Nixon?
  4. Throwing his medals over the fence and bragging about it?

  These despicable acts are all documented and two of the three are on film. These enough are disqualifies for Kerry. on’t think even they mentioned the Paris trip.

• 76. HeyHey  |  July 1st, 2008 at 10:51 am

  The irony of it all is that McCain publicly deplored the Swift Boat ads back in 2004, saying they were reminiscent of the smear campaigns launched against him during his initial White House run in 2000.

  “It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me,” said the Senator.

  Not willing to let the irony go unnoticed, John Kerry lashed out at McCain, on Monday, for using the same smear merchant he once decried.

  “Colonel Day’s comments today only further highlight the McCain campaign’s disregard for a new kind of politics,” said Kerry. “John McCain condemned these kinds of attacks in 2004 when he called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ‘dishonest and dishonorable.’ Senator McCain should condemn these remarks and cut ties with the Colonel and anyone else connected to SBVT. Day’s comments only serve to disparage all those who served on swift boats in Vietnam.”

• 77. Kahn  |  July 1st, 2008 at 11:48 am

  HeyHey,

  Was it a smear to point out John Kerry’s testimony?

  Was it a smear to point out he threw his medals away and said so on TV, but had apparently bought new ones for his office?

  Was it a smear to point out that he never went to Cambodia under Nixon as claimed and that he wasn’t even in the Navy when Nixon became president?

  Were THOSE things smears?

  If the Swiftboaters made a mistake, it was in opening their ad campaign with the most controversial arguments. The ones about Kerry putting himself in for medals and awards and the questioning of him deserving them. The men felt strongly that Kerry was in the wrong there. But frankly, I think they should have saved that argument for last after establishing their credibility. Or perhaps not used it at all. But for the record - they do believe those statements and there is evidence to back them up.

  But the other stuff. The Paris meeting with the North Vietnamese (which they didn’t even include in the ads), the Capital Hill testimony and the discredited winter soldier smears (yes, they were smears because they we lies), the throwing the medals, bragging, then denying… ALL these things were 100% valid points to be discussed.

• 78. HeyHey  |  July 1st, 2008 at 12:27 pm

  Kahn,

  No, those are not smears. I wasn’t talking about Kerry. Kerry isn’t running last I checked.

  McCain was referring to the smears being reminiscent of those made against him by GWB’s campaign in 2000.

  You and McCain disagree strongly on this topic then. McCain says the SBVT are ‘dishonest and dishonorable’ but now he hires the guy to seek the truth, the same guy he called ‘dishonest and dishonorable’. Oh the hypocrisy!

• 79. Willem van Oranje  |  July 1st, 2008 at 2:38 pm

  Kahn
  

  Nope. I don’t think we need to be lectured on how its done by the dutch.

  Yeah, like the time the Dutch were left standing in the cold when they tried to protect the people from Srebrenica.

  Kahn, you truly know how to make allies, don’t you? Tell me, why should I continue to support my government in helping you out in Afghanistan? Why should I allow my government to aide and abet a country that does not honor the Geneva Conventions, tortures its enemies and bombs civilians?

  You want to do it on your own? Be my guest.

• 80. According To John »&hellip  |  July 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm

  […] Obama Surrogate Wesley Clark Blasts McCain’s Military Service According to Clark, John McCain’s military service, combined with his years in the Senate doesn’t qualify him to be commander-in-chief… […]

• 81. Blogs For Victory »&hellip  |  July 1st, 2008 at 4:57 pm

  […] at 09:44am Matt Margolis I’m sorry, but as Barack Obama has said before, words matter, and Wesley Clark’s despicable attack on John McCain’s service demonstrates the Obama campaigns desperation. Make no mistake about it, Clark was speaking as a […]

• 82. Blogs For Victory »&hellip  |  July 2nd, 2008 at 1:51 am

  […] 1st, 2008 at 04:57pm Matt Margolis In response to the attacks on McCain’s military service, Obama said the following yesterday: “For those who have fought under the flag of this nation – […]

• 83. Danny Vice  |  July 18th, 2008 at 2:48 am

  Wesley Clark trips all over himself every time he says anything, and does nothing more than make his liberal cohorts look like the power lusting, lying, manipulative flip floppers that they are.

  Last go around, Clark crowed endlessly about Kerry’s service, and how horrible it was that anyone would doubt Kerry’s integrity. He held Kerry up as a hero and ABSOLUTELY advertised his service as a reason why Kerry was fit to be commander in chief.

  Now he flip flops right on his face - as he usually does.

  Conservatives flip flop from time to time, but they don’t throw any vet under the bus unless that vet is out there denigrating our troops - like Kerry did.

  They are two peas in a pod.

  Clark is a disgrace to the uniform and it’s a tragedy our soldiers and vets had to listen to him denigrate their service in such a way.

  Danny Vice
  http://www.theweeklyvice.com

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