From Hot Air:
The Senate just voted down the House Cut Cap and Balance bill, 51-46. Reid danced on its grave, proclaiming it “over, dead, and done.” Back to the Democrat plan:
Nothing!
Which is exactly right – the thing to do, now, is to re-pass it in the House, maybe adding a few changes. You know, deeper cuts to spending, lowering income tax rates, imposing a wealth tax on the billionaires who back liberalism. Send it right back to the Senate and see if they keep at it…or, some day, come up with an alternative plan. Either way, we win.
UPDATE: Turns out this bill is not quite dead – Senator DeMint is going to try and force a vote next week. Could be done, you know – those “2012 Democrats” don’t want to have a bunch of votes on record against a balanced budget; only need a few of them to break lose and it passes – and then it will be up to Obama to sign or veto. So, we don’t at this point need to re-pass it in the House…but we should be prepared to do so, just in case.
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Senate Democrats are really sitting in the driver’s seat here. Unless they come up with a really good plan in the next 10 days, I don’t see how they and Obama (and the country) don’t come out on the short end of the stick.
It isn’t Obama and the Democrats who are creating the problem. It is those who stupidly sign pledges with the likes of Grover Norquist. It impedes them from doing their job. Why should any elected offical sign a pledge with an organization? They take a pledge to serve their country and constituients – not some out there group.
The Republicans will take the blame if this doesn’t get done. The House Republicans have a bunch of newbies who do not have a clue what they are doing and are willing to take the country over the cliff to prove they know nothing. When seniors lose their SS and Medicare (like spook and new) they will go after the Republicans. Since when do we as a nation only ask the middle class to pay its fair share but corporations get by without paying any taxes? Please do not go to the “but they create jobs” nonsense. If that were the case there would not be an unemployment crises in our country today.
You Reagan worshipers need to remember that he had 18 debt raises and raised taxes 11 times during his Presidency. He would not be allowed to be a member of today’s Republican Party.
It isn’t Obama and the Democrats who are creating the problem.
Excuse me? They added 30% of the debt in just two short years, have not submitted a budget in over 2 1/2 years, and have not offered up one single detailed plan to address this current crisis – but it’s their problem? And the pledge was serving their constituents, remember November 2010?
And the Reagan issue is a distorted talking point. If you had any self respect, you wouldn’t repeat it.
Oh really – the Reagn issue is a distorted talking point? If that is true I guess you would be willing to provide that what I wrote is not factual. If you can not do that, quit lying.
A little defensive there sunny – having a bad day?
Reagan agreed to moderate tax increases in specific areas in an effort in order to to compromise with the democratically controlled house and senate, who promised to control spending in return, but they never did. Overall however, his marginal tax rates dropped dramatically. Context does matter sport.
Defensive Cluster? No not at all. Just saying if you believe these to be just “distorted talking points” you are wrong. They are facts. You are certainly entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. If you had any honest you would not have made such a statement.
Also, Reagan left the largest peace time deficit in the history of the US. I liked Reagan but he was far from perfect. Most of you right wingers just hate to admit that he had his faults just like any other president.
Why are you so defensive when somebody mentions the truth about Reagan, cluster? Several Republicans have admitted that Reagan would not be acceptable to today’s GOP; why can’t you? Is that more honesty than you can bear?
Several Republicans have admitted that Reagan would not be acceptable to today’s GOP; why can’t you? – Monty
Well then they must be right. ???????
I am a tea partier and would vote for Reagan, as I did twice before, in a heart beat.
Well we now know which party is the fringe and radical party willing to shut the government down over ideological interests. It’s amazing that democrats have not offered up one detailed plan on how to resolve this issue, but are quick to strike down any other plan that doesn’t cater to their narrow agenda.
1/20/13
Cluster,
“It’s amazing that democrats have not offered up one detailed plan on how to resolve this issue”
Actually they have:
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70
Raising taxes is not a plan Cap. That’s a scapegoat. When will you ever learn?
And you may want to look back at federal receipts in 2005, 2006, and 2007. Those were record years of federal revenue, generated by the current Bush tax rates. Bush got it done, Obama can’t.
Cluster,
“And you may want to look back at federal receipts in 2005, 2006, and 2007. Those were record years of federal revenue, generated by the current Bush tax rates. Bush got it done, Obama can’t.”
Bush doubled the deficit, something that wouldn’t have happened without those tax cuts. To solve the Deficit problem there needs to be a balanced approach between program cuts and taxes.
Cluster, you seriously do not believe that in the meetings with the President and other Democrats that the Republican representatives have not heard what the Democrats are willing to cut from the budget? They are so afraid that if the President gets a meaningful and large deal that he will win the Presidency for a second term. Mitch McConnell made it very clear that this is his most important mission.
That is really what this is all about – the next election. Republicans care more about power than they do this country. They are willing to jeopardize the future of this country and financial stability of the world to gain back the WH. If the stock market takes another huge tumble and we lose a huge portion of our retirements again, the Republicans are in trouble. Happened twice under the Bush administration and Americans are tired of worrying about what they are going to have for retirement just so the Republicans can play their political games.
Republicans care more about power than they do this country.
Your political opinions are laughable. If the republicans cared about power, they would follow the democrats lead and pander and spend on every special interest in the country. But they do not, and have now offered up courageous budget cuts and a balanced budget amendment forcing the government to reign in spending and make tough, unpopular decisions. And that my friend, opens them up to demagoguery and scorn from the self interested, cowardly democrats.
Cluster, I find your political opinions rather humorous as well. I guess we are entertaining each other in that way. But after a while some of your opinions are no longer funny or entertaining. They are just frightening.
Would you like that tissue now?
scummy
They are just frightening.
RUN FOREST RUN!!!!!
go hide under the bed like a good lib coward.
“Well we now know which party is the fringe and radical party willing to shut the government down over ideological interests.”
Republicans. But it may work out well politically for them–deep-six the economy, blame Obama, use it as a campaign slogan–so hey, that makes it OK, right? After all, Republicans are the same geniuses who think the thing to do when you have an excellent credit rating is intentionally destroy that excellent credit rating, so it’s not as though they’re acting in good faith.
Bush doubled the deficit by enacting TARP, which contained the legally binding provision that repayments SHALL be applied to said deficit.
if this had been done, the deficit would have been reduced by the amount of the repayments, and the tired old Lefty bleat would be reduced to nothing more than a tired old Lefty whimper.
“imposing a wealth tax on the billionaires who back liberalism . . .” Mark
And Mark, who are those billionaires who back liberalism? Names please. Are there only liberal billionaires? I will give you this . . . liberal billionaires don’t bitch about paying their fair share like conservative billionaires. Those Christian billionaires who do so much for the poor and needy and care so much for their brothers and sisters in Christ. Let the beatings begin.
George Soros, Steven Spielberg, Oprah Winfrey, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet…..
Would you like me to go on?
You have no wealthy billionaires on your side? What a shame.
Honestly I don’t care sunny. I am not filled with class envy like you are.
Cluster,
“I am not filled with class envy like you are.”
So if wanting the rich to pay higher taxes is “class envy”, does the same apply to those that want the poor to pay higher taxes?
The poor don’t pay income taxes sunny. And there is plenty of federal revenue. It’s just that we have ignorant, elite, power hungry democrat representatives that have no self control, constraint, or sense of financial responsibility.
Cluster,
“The poor don’t pay income taxes sunny.”
But they do pay taxes and there are a number of posters on this blog that would like them to pay more.
Cluster, do you pay taxes? You are posting all day every day so I have to wonder do you even have a job?
I own my own business sunny. I actually create jobs – imagine that.
Cap,
they do pay payroll taxes, but through EIC’s, they usually receive all of that back, if not more.
I would put a $500 minimum income tax on everyone. Everyone needs to have skin in the game
Cluster July 22, 2011 at 2:18 pm #
“Cap,
they do pay payroll taxes, but through EIC’s, they usually receive all of that back, if not more.”
They also pay taxes of gas, ciggs, alcohol, sales tax, etc. Everyone pays taxes.
“I would put a $500 minimum income tax on everyone. Everyone needs to have skin in the game”
Even if someone only makes $3000 a year? As I mentioned above everyone already pays taxes.
“So if wanting the rich to pay higher taxes is “class envy”, does the same apply to those that want the poor to pay higher taxes?”
And Casper shows us yet more of the amazing Casper Discussion Tactic of simply inventing a bizarre possibility, presenting it as if it came from any source other than his evidently endless source of bizarre inventions, and then presenting it with a flourish as if it had the slightest credibility, the slightest element of truth, the slightest hint of sanity.
OK, Casper, tell us. Who wants “the poor to pay higher taxes”?
(Don’t forget who wants them to pay higher gas taxes, cigarette taxes, property taxes, liquor taxes, vehicle registration taxes, and of course—stepping away from actual taxes for a moment—-higher energy costs and health insurance costs.)
Amazona,
“OK, Casper, tell us. Who wants “the poor to pay higher taxes”?”
Cluster. See his 2:18 post.
“I would put a $500 minimum income tax on everyone. Everyone needs to have skin in the game”
And you made your comment, Casper, before cluster made his, and you used the word “those”. Even in the Casper Public School system, the word “those” connotes a plural. “There are THOSE, etc…”
So can you cite only one blogger who happened to post a Hail Mary for you after you posted your invention, or can you quote actual politicians, movements, etc?
The democrats have become a self serving, narrow, rigid, ideological party that is harmful to this country. The voters next year will not be kind to them.
1/20/13
You see Cluster, that is exactly what I think of the Republicans. Not willing to compromise on ANYTHING and are willing to let this country fall over the cliff just to make a point that they are so rigid they cannot reach any agreement that is not entirely what they want. Our government has NEVER worked that way in the past, but now, thanks to the Tea Party nuts, the House Republicans are afraid to do their job. Shameful.
The cut cap and balance legislation increases the debt ceiling. What more do you want?
The house republicans are doing exactly what I sent them there to do. It’s the democrats that are not offering anything to resolve this issue, other than drama queen hysterics.
You are not the only one who sends representatives to Congress. All of us do and we all have our own ideas as to what government should do. My Senator is doing what I want done right now as well. So, does that mean that your wants and desires for government are more important than mine?
Do you want a tissue? Your representatives have been doing what you wanted for the last two years – hence the mess.
Let the adults take over sunny.
My sentiments exactly Cluster. Those freshmen congressmen are so wet behind the ears they do not have a clue what they are doing. They do need to listen to their leader. Boehner is having a hard time getting them to grow up and behave as adults but I do hope the sake of this country he can get them in line and in time not to cause more harm. Tnis country suffered enough under Republican leadership for more than 8 years. It does take time to turn around such a huge mess.
Those freshmen congressmen are so wet behind the ears they do not have a clue what they are doing.
And yet, they are the only ones to offer up a plan that will resolve the problem. I guess doing nothing is what Sunny would prefer.
Interesting.
Actually Cluster, all of my representatives are Republicans. Go figure.
I love the smell of liberal defeat in the morning
I think you have lost your sense of smell.
“I think you have lost your sense of smell…”
Which would make it far easier to tolerate your radical Lefty posts.
I have just sent an email to my representative asking him if I could take the CCB/BBA bill and jam it down Harry Reid’s throat. Anyone want to help?
WooHoo – the Republican way – lets get physical!
More leadership from the democrats and Harry Reid –
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., canceled planned weekend Senate sessions, increasing the pressure on Obama, Boehner and other top-level negotiators to strike a deal.
He has offered NO PLAN and now is taking the weekend off.
Didn’t you know that according to the Constitution, revenue bills have to come from the house? I’ve also read that there is a plan in case Obama and Boehner can’t strike a deal.
Cluster, in case you didn’t know this, the Republican House is not in session this weekend. Does it make sense for the Senate to stay in session if the House is gone? I don’t believe you read the entire article – it appears there may be a deal in the works between the President and Boehner. Chill out. The House is out of session much more than the Senate.
..the Republican House is not in session this weekend.
Well they have already done their job.
cluster,
if you think passing a “show” piece of legislation meant to PANDER to the TEA party idiots like yourself, then yes, they have done their job.
If you on the other hand like the MAJORITY of americans believe that a compromise must include both revenue raisers and spending cuts, then NO they haven’t done their job.
I cannot wait until this older generation of ignoramuses dies and the young generation can steer the country to another great century.
By all means lets do that. In fact lets just do away mediscare social security all together. Please show me in the constitution where it is fedweral governments job to provide these things.
green,
there are a bunch of things not in the constitution. the constitution is not a document meant to be looked at in a vacuum. It has to be looked at considering the times we live in and the circumstances of the world.
things change and nations evolve and adapt. we are no different.
sorry old timer, let the young guns run the nation now. step aside.
sorry old timer, let the young guns run the nation now. step aside. – thomas
My thoughts exactly. Let’s let the GOP freshman class run the show. Good thinking thomas.
GMB – where does it say in the Constitution that a corporation is a person? Where in the Constitution does it say that corporations should receive corporate welfare? Where in the Constitution does it say that we should have prayer in school? Where in the Constitution does it say that the private sector has the right to take personal property if a profit can be made? There are so many things that conservates tout as “unconstitutional” when they do not like it but when it fits their own ideals it does not matter if it is not in the Constitution.
Sunny, thanks so much for offering up such a great opportunity to address Lefty whines.
“where does it say in the Constitution that a corporation is a person? ”
Where does ANYTHING say “a corporation is a person” ?
” Where in the Constitution does it say that corporations should receive corporate welfare?”
Where in the Constitution does it say that political zealots simply get to invent their own terms (such as the silly “corporate welfare”) and have those terms accepted and acted upon as if they have anything to do with reality?
” Where in the Constitution does it say that we should have prayer in school?
Where in the Constitution does it say we can’t?
” Where in the Constitution does it say that the private sector has the right to take personal property if a profit can be made?”
Goofy—a two-parter.
1…..Where in the Constitution does it say the government can take personal property for redistribution by the State?
2…..Where and when does anyone or any thing in the private sector “…take personal property if a profit can be made”?
“There are so many things that conservates (sic) tout as “unconstitutional” when they do not like it but when it fits their own ideals it does not matter if it is not in the Constitution.
Far more clearly you are even less qualified to lecture on the Constitution than you are on Christianity. In both instances what you seem to view as knowledge is nothing more than a mishmash of fiction, fantasy, and toxic sludge, all dependent on a terribly narrow and restricted political bigotry which is evidently not based on the slightest hint of a coherent political philosophy.
clueless,
this is typical of all your posts. put all the blame on the other side. no willingness to agree to anything. assume you and your ilk are in the majority.
and then brag about how you pay more taxes than some people have incomes.
You’re filth and your party will compromise because they always back off in the end. Boehner is going to tell the tea party to go to hell when push comes to shove.
Also, I read that Allen West’s district will be a victim of redistricting…looks like he won’t get another term. good riddance.
Thanks for your input thomas. Always refreshing
sure thing oldtimer.
I also figure since you pay more taxes than some make in a year, lets go ahead and means test your social security, and medicare. that way you can do your share to save those programs. right cluster?
and let’s also increase your tax burden to the rate it was under Clinton. I am sure that you weren’t hurting during those times were you?
O-N-C-E A-G-A-I-N……………..
class warfare = alinsky marx 101
The chart above is from the Joint Economic Committe (based on 2006 IRS data), showing the percentages of federal personal income tax paid by different groups of taxpayers:
all the troll BS on above threads is blown out of the water by THESE FACTS.
The top 1% of taxpayers pay about 40% of all income taxes,
the top 10% pay 71%,
and the top 50% pay 97% of all taxes.
The bottom 50% pays less than 3% of all income taxes paid.
tommygasbagger
sure thing oldtimer.
THIS “oldtimer” could kick YOUR azz in a NY minute.
keep up the racist and ageist hate though it is all ya got,and it proves what a D**K less weasel you really are.
This coming from a guy who hates the fact that our nation is a melting pot. his OWN words.
I know it sucks to be over 60 neo, but that’s ok, your time is coming oldtimer, look at it on the bright side, you’re going to hell!
tommygasbagger
This coming from a guy who hates the fact that our nation is a melting pot. his OWN words.
your reading comprehension is even lower than your IQ, which is lower than whale SHIITE!
and a liar to boot, a double whammy.
PS
the only part of hell I will see is looking down from Heaven and seeing you there, a beautiful site it will be indeed.
enjoy it you will have earned it.
I also figure since you pay more taxes than some make in a year, lets go ahead and means test your social security, and medicare. that way you can do your share to save those programs. right cluster? and let’s also increase your tax burden to the rate it was under Clinton. I am sure that you weren’t hurting during those times were you? – thomas
You sure like to make rules for other people don’t you?
cluster
You sure like to make rules for other people don’t you?
all commies do, if you dont follow them they murder you.
Do you know what is missing from the Lib posts here? (Aside from civility and accuracy, that is…)
A single IDEA of what SHOULD be done, regarding the budget crisis.
Not a one.
It is just sniping, snarling, insulting, rinse and repeat.
“The Republicans” …. “the TEA Party nuts”…….”Reagan”…….”Christian billionaires”….”freshman congressmen”…..”filth”……..
Lost of bile, lots of bigotry, lots of vitriol, and not a single idea.
The closest the threesome of Sunny, thomas and casper have come is a hinting at “give Barry what he wants”.
Not a word about why this kind of spending is not harmful to the nation, or why it is necessary, or why it is constitutional, or why it should not be reined in. Not a word about what could be or should be trimmed. Not a word about what should constitute a compromise. (The word “constitute” is probably too close to “constitution” for any of them to be comfortable with it.)
Amazona July 22, 2011 at 7:29 pm #
“Do you know what is missing from the Lib posts here? (Aside from civility and accuracy, that is…)
A single IDEA of what SHOULD be done, regarding the budget crisis.
Not a one.”
I guess you missed this:
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70
BTW, the ageist comments of tommy are too silly even for him, and I think s/he is just trying to bait people into responding.
That is what a certain personality type will do. The only way they can get attention is to be so distasteful that people react against them. It’s actually a clinical observation of the abandoned, abused and unloved, who desperately need attention but who have never learned how to get it from positive behaviors.
With what we have see of tommy, it could be that or it could just be nastiness for the sake of nastiness. But no one is so stupid as to actually brag about “young guns”.
And you know what, cappy? I expected you to make this exact whine. But I made the comment anyway because this is supposed to be a blog about ideas, and sometimes it seems necessary to point out the speed bump efforts of some who come here only to hurl insults and never contribute a thing.
When something is contaminated, as this blog is, by such as tommy and you and mitch and the forkers, it is appropriate to occasionally comment on your/their vapidity, even if doing so does open up an opportunity for a gotcha. And it was such a pweshuss gotcha, with that smug little simper at the end.
It’s odd that you found it necessary to respond to what I said about someone else.
It is interesting that the only response you could come up with was to sneer at ME. You appear to find my comments far more distasteful than tommy’s wide-ranging bigotry. Hmmmmm—–accept the bigotry and go after the person who comments on it.
I suppose it was way over your head to see that my post was really about the effort to substitute that bigotry and pathology for real discourse and real ideas, and the need to ignore that and not play into the gamesmanship of trying to bait people into fighting by posting inflammatory statements.
But you and tommy do make a charming pair, and no doubt will continue to watch each others’ backs in the future.
You ready to discuss ideas any time soon?
(And that does not just mean posting a link. Bibliographies are a dime a dozen. Sending someone off to read what someone else has said is hardly the same as discussing ideas about the nature and solutions of problems facing this nation, or the best format for governing it.)
Amazona July 22, 2011 at 7:33 pm #
“BTW, the ageist comments of tommy are too silly even for him, and I think s/he is just trying to bait people into responding.
That is what a certain personality type will do. The only way they can get attention is to be so distasteful that people react against them. It’s actually a clinical observation of the abandoned, abused and unloved, who desperately need attention but who have never learned how to get it from positive behaviors.
With what we have see of tommy, it could be that or it could just be nastiness for the sake of nastiness. But no one is so stupid as to actually brag about “young guns”.”
How should I respond to that. I know.
Amazona July 21, 2011 at 10:32 pm #
“Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people.”
Amazona,
“It is interesting that the only response you could come up with was to sneer at ME”
I didn’t sneer at you. I quoted you.
I would be more than happy to discus ideas with you when you get over your nasty streak.
catspuke
“BTW, the ageist comments of tommy are too silly even for him, and I think s/he is just trying to bait people into responding
then you are even stupider than we all thought.