The man is rising in my estimation by the day:
…What we told the president in January was this: the American people will not accept an increase in the debt limit without significant spending cuts and reforms.
And over the last six months, we’ve done our best to convince the president to partner with us to do something dramatic to change the fiscal trajectory of our country. . .something that will boost confidence in our economy, renew a measure of faith in our government, and help small businesses get back on track.
Last week, the House passed such a plan, and with bipartisan support. It’s called the ‘Cut, Cap, and Balance’ Act. It CUTS and CAPS government spending and paves the way for a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution, which we believe is the best way to stop Washington from spending money it doesn’t have. Before we even passed the bill in the House, the President said he would veto it.
I want you to know I made a sincere effort to work with the president to identify a path forward that would implement the principles of Cut, Cap, & Balance in a manner that could secure bipartisan support and be signed into law. I gave it my all.
Unfortunately, the president would not take yes for an answer. Even when we thought we might be close on an agreement, the president’s demands changed.
The president has often said we need a ‘balanced’ approach — which in Washington means: we spend more. . .you pay more. Having run a small business, I know those tax increases will destroy jobs.
The president is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs. As the father of two daughters, I know these programs won’t be there for them and their kids unless significant action is taken now.
The sad truth is that the president wanted a blank check six months ago, and he wants a blank check today. That is just not going to happen.
Because there is no stalemate in Congress. The House has passed a bill to raise the debt limit with bipartisan support. And this week, while the Senate is struggling to pass a bill filled with phony accounting and Washington gimmicks, we will pass another bill – one that was developed with the support of the bipartisan leadership of the U.S. Senate.
I expect that bill can and will pass the Senate, and be sent to the President for his signature. If the President signs it, the ‘crisis’ atmosphere he has created will simply disappear. The debt limit will be raised. Spending will be cut by more than one trillion dollars, and a serious, bipartisan committee of the Congress will begin the hard but necessary work of dealing with the tough challenges our nation faces.
Not much else needs to be said – this is the common sense, rational approach to our problem. It is the statement of a man sincerely trying to do best by the people of the United States of America. Not a man who is 100% right; not a man who must get 100% of his way…simply a man who wants to do what is right and is willing to compromise.
Trouble is, Obama and his Democrats don’t want compromise – the reason we have a “crisis” right now is because that is what Obama intended. He (and his Democrats) kept putting off any action until we got close to a false dead line…they trusted that the phonied up crisis atmosphere would get the GOP to cave in. In Speaker Boehner and the House GOP, they found people who will not cave.
Truth be told, even if they wanted to cave, they really can’t. Obama and his Democrats refuse to see it, but we have reached journey’s end for Big Government. There is no more money to spend – we can, perhaps, keep going as we are for three or four more years, but even that is dicey. It might only be a year or two. Regardless, we can’t go on – we have bankrupted ourselves. It isn’t, by any stretch of the imagination, just the fault of Obama and the current crop of Democrats. This is a bi-partisan bankruptcy that really got on track 40 years ago…with a few temporary halts under Reagan and (GOP-dominated) Clinton, we’ve been careening down this road to insolvency for decades. But what is Obama’s fault is the failure to see things as they are – either out of complete blindness, or a simple lack of concern for the fate of the American people, Obama and his Democrats refuse to face facts.
But the facts must, at the end of the day, be faced. Boehner sees this – sees that even if he caves for the sake of political peace, the price to be paid will be gigantic. It simply isn’t worth it – at the cost of hostile MSM commentary; at the cost of even losing the 2012 election, we GOPers simply cannot agree to anything which puts the United States at risk. If we get punished by the American people for this stance, then so be it – if, in the end, they choose to re-elect Obama next year and complete the process of bankruptcy, then that is their right…but we on our side will not participate in it. Folly with majority votes does not become wisdom.
But, also, I think the American people see it our way. We know we spend too much and that spending must be cut. Sure you can find support for higher taxes out there, but the primary culprit in out problem is not lack of revenues, but surfeit of spending. No one trusts a Democrat who says give me tax hikes now and I promise to cut spending over ten years…we know we’ll get the hikes all right, but we’re sure to be screwed out of the spending cuts. Cut now, and then we’ll talk about revenues…until Obama and his Democrats agree to this, there is really nothing to discuss. And on this issue, if the Democrats want, we’ll fight in 2012 – and I believe we will win, and win very big.
UPDATE: Obama still refuses to release any written plan – grossly irresponsible of our President, but entirely in character.
UPDATE II: A lot of House GOPers are showing resistance to the Boehner plan…the MSM will play this up as a problem, but it is actually a strength. I means that Boehner will have the power to back up his position.
UPDATE III: Obama will veto the Boehner plan. This is called “balance” by liberals…you know, where they get everything we want while we get nothing. Still: go for it, Mr. President. We’re ready for the fight.
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In Speaker Boehner and the House GOP, they found people who will not cave.
That’s the general mind-set, particularly among the 87 freshman Congressmen largely linked to the T-Party. Plus, they have all gotten thousands of letters, emails, faxes and phone calls saying either, “if you don’t support CC & B” I (a) will not continue to support you with either my money or my vote,” or (b) “I will pour all my time and money into helping establishing a credible third party.”
Spook,
I don’t know how you can carry on a conversation with these magpies squawking their libiot nonsense. Can’t someone clear away that irrational clutter?
On Topic: where I’m not a fan of yet another “committee” but I also understand that Boehner and the Republicans can’t continue to attempt negotiations with a recalcitrant Obama. He seems to think he’s Lucy with the football when he’s just a petulant child with diminishing relevance, and he’s boring me as well.
I thought Boehner did a good job last night, and one thing struck me from the tone of both speeches. Obama seemed to be speaking to children, talking down to the audience, pandering to class envy, blaming others, and full of the usual hyperbole. Boehner however sounded as if he was speaking with the adults, explaining his position, laying the cards on the table and letting the chips fall where they may. It’s time politicians treated the electorate as adults, and not as if we are a bunch of Monty’s and Mitch’s out here.
“I want you to know I made a sincere effort to work with the president ”
This is, of course, a lie. And his line that it’s Obama–not Republicans–who won’t take yes for an answer is pure projection. Not that I expect any of you to be honest enough to admit it, of course.
Piss off, Burns; you’re living in a glass house and throwing stones. You libtards are some of the most dishonest people I know. What is it you are–LIbEral…
Bob Bechel stated on Fox News that there’s no way Earbama will lose next year. He even bet Sean Hannity 5k. Let’s all hope, for the sake of America’s future, that Fatman Bechel is shelling out 5k to Hannity’s favourite charity next year…
oooooh, somebody got their panties in a twist. hey luv2hate, why don’t you go back to your old handle, old man? Or are you to scared of being partisan and stupid?
funny thing though, i can’t wait for the GOP to get wiped out this next election, just like Newt led you down a rabbit hole only to get shot, Boehner is doing the same thing! I LOVE THE TEA PARTY ideologues. Truly unique levels of stupidity.
ps. how’s London treating you? I am going to be in town next week, why don’t we do lunch?
It’s not my fault that Republicans are liars (something you apparently already know), and it’s not my fault that you will always accept a good-sounding lie and attack the truth.
Just for fun, though, let’s see a list of all the compromises Republicans have offered, shall we? Let’s put all that “good faith” front and center.
Just for fun, though, let’s see a list of all the compromises Republicans have offered, shall we?
We’re not interested in compromise. This debate is much larger than compromising on tax loop holes. This debate is about the size and scope of the federal government, of which we disagree completely, so if you would like to compromise with us, we will consider it, but there will be no compromise on our end with advocates of a large central bureaucracy. Sorry
wow monty, what were you saying about projection? Your undying and unquestionable loyalty to the liar in chief we have for a President (the proof is in your posts) shows you could not recognize a lie if it bit you on your cranium.
Cluster, the pResident can “come along for the ride but he will have to ride in the back” (to borrow a phrase from our pResident, who was not so worried about compromise when he had both houses – a fact drones like monty (jeffy) ignore).
Cluster,
That’s exactly why the GOP will get wiped out next election. You simply stated what all the idiotic tea party congresscritters have been saying.
” we don’t want to compromise”. to hell with the nation, to hell with the global financial markets, we don’t want to compromise because we are ideology driven and not reality driven.
Ill tell you what will happen. Boehner will pass his version, it will get to the senate and die. the Senate will pass its version, it will get to the house and die.
Come August 2, the nation will partially default, bond rates will quadruple to about 12% and as a result, our economy will spiral downwards in very short order. Eventually, the GOP will cave and raise the debt ceiling with much smaller cuts than what they are being offered now. Needless to say, people will blame the GOP and you will have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
dont flatter yourself thomastooge…lying to us on this blog doesnt mean squat…the tea party has done more to bring washington DC in line with thier duty than any other action by the people for the last 150 years…
js,
oh really? and what has the Tea Party done in their 9 months since election?
please tell us what core ideas they have been able to implement.
I will eagerly await your response.
what…you forget to watch to see what they have done…THEY HAVE ALL UPHELD THIER MORAL COMMITMENTS…no tax increases…they are making a positive impact on restoring responsibility, accountability, and transparency in DC…and thats only a start…in Wisconsin…the tea party got a Gov. installs…and controll both houses of the WI legislature…and are effectively eliminating the states 3 Bn budget shortfall…left to them by the preceding Demoncraps…but shoot…if this was school…i would suspect you needed more learnin…but grow up…if you cant keep up with current events you may as well toss that computer out the window stooge…
“We’re not interested in compromise.”
Well, at least you admit that much, cluster, though you don’t seem to realize that if you don’t want to compromise, then you aren’t interested in good faith negotiations, you just want to make demands. So I appreciate you backing up my point that Boehner is lying.
Tired, clearly, is having trouble processing all of this. But tired has trouble processing two consecutive sentences.
Sorry Monty (little jeffy) but the onus of proving Boehner is lying is on you. You made the claim now back it up. Cut, cap and balance was ONE of the plans that had bipartisan participation and compromise.
ObAMATEUR has presented nothing but lies and attacks – exactly what you do.
Hint: This time present a source that does not contradict your claim as you have mindlessly done before.
Christ, tired, do I have to explain everything to you? Boehner claims he “made a sincere effort to work with the president.” All he did was state a list of demands–and refused to take yes for an answer. Even cluster has admitted to this.
But this is well above your head, clearly. On the off chance that you actually want to educate yourself on the matter, just look up everything the GOP has said no to: A clean bill to raise the debt ceiling, a $2.4 trillion debt reduction package (the vast majority of which was spending cuts), the Grand Bargain of $4 trillion in debt reduction, the Gang of Six solution, the Reid/McConnell “plan B” solution, and so on.
Or you can scream, cry, and parrot your talking points. Which is what you’re going to do.
dream on montestooge…obieOne didnt agree to NO NEW TAXES…and thats exactly what boehner said…do you always need to assume lies are the truth so you can go on that faked victory walk…certainly…you look funny doing it with you HEAD SHOVED UP YOUR BEEHIND like that…honest@!
AGAIN with Monty, it is all or nothing. If the GOP does not cooperate with obAMATEUR 100% then they did not at all.
All obAMATEUR has done is say NO! He has no plan – other than the usual marching orders of raising taxes.
jeffy keeps repeating the mantra – no matter what proof is offered against him, he dutifully regurgitates the party line and the mindless talking points.
Remember, just becuasue you say so doen’t make it true. Boehner and the Republicans have tries tried to work with this pResident and obAMATEUR clearly does not want to…. So again, you have to prove your claims beyond your rhetoric which you have not… AGAIN.
“Or you can scream, cry, and parrot your talking points. Which is what you’re going to do.”
And once again, I am proven 100 percent correct. I swear, tired, you are so easy, I almost feel guilty about running roughshod over you.
“If the GOP does not cooperate with obAMATEUR 100% then they did not at all.”
That’s a nice lie, but people who aren’t demented with hatred and struggling with the English language will notice that I said nothing of the sort. I merely pointed out that Republicans want everything 100 percent their way. Even cluster can admit to that.
“All obAMATEUR has done is say NO! He has no plan – other than the usual marching orders of raising taxes.”
All the GOP has done is say NO! They have no plan — other than the usual talking points of balancing tax cuts for the rich on the backs of the poor.
“Boehner and the Republicans have tries tried to work with this pResident ”
And your struggles with English continue. But that aside, please list how the GOP has tried to work with the president. Remember: Insisting that things be 100 percent your way is not “working with” somebody, it’s just listing demands.
Good luck! But come on, you and I both know you’re going to fail, cry, and yell your talking points some more.
correct?
the only thing you been proven as is a limp wristed pang puller without a clue…
and certainly…its not something you should be braggin about!!
Monty’s (little jeffy’s) delusions continue….
“And once again, I am proven 100 percent correct. I swear, tired, you are so easy, I almost feel guilty about running roughshod over you.”
You proved nothing. You regurgitated some opinion with nothing to back it up.
“That’s a nice lie, but people who aren’t demented with hatred and struggling with the English language will notice that I said nothing of the sort. I merely pointed out that Republicans want everything 100 percent their way. Even cluster can admit to that.”
Uh, the GOP has proposed plans which have passed with bipartisan support. Yet, you maintain that they are non-compromising. It seems the Democrats have proven you wrong.
“All the GOP has done is say NO! They have no plan — other than the usual talking points of balancing tax cuts for the rich on the backs of the poor.”
Uh, again, they have no plan? Plans have been going through the house with bipartisan support only to be held up in the Senate because Reid does not allow them to the floor for consideration. The Democrat in Senate and obAMATEUR are saying NO quite often proving your talking points wrong AGAIN.
“And your struggles with English continue. But that aside, please list how the GOP has tried to work with the president. Remember: Insisting that things be 100 percent your way is not “working with” somebody, it’s just listing demands.”
Already did. Apparently you cannot read beyond the spoonfed talking points you receive.
“Good luck! But come on, you and I both know you’re going to fail, cry, and yell your talking points some more.”
The only who has failed has been YOU. You have not proven a thing. Your answer to a challenge later in this thread was again, talking points, with nothing, no sources NOTHING to back it up.
You can and will continue to dodge, duck and weave past challenges and requests for sources. YOU AGAIN, have provided nothing but more of the same BS as before. The GOP has plans that were voted on and passed in the House, obAMATEUR has TV appearances where he gives his marching orders for drones like you to regurgitate dutifully and without question.
You are on the wrong side and cannot win. Try again, mindless drone.
“You proved nothing.”
Correct; you are the one who proved me right, just like I said. Your struggles with the English language are truly sad, tired. I do hope you sign up for some remedial English classes sometime. They would do wonders for you.
Until then, I will marvel at how I predicted you would retreat behind mindless talking points, how you then proceeded to retreat behind mindless talking points, and how you then reiterated those mindless talking points when I pointed out that I had correctly predicted that you would retreat behind mindless talking points. You really can’t win for losing, can you?
Again Monty (little jeffy), after you run around in circles with your “logic” and delusions, you are back where you started.
The onus is on you to prove that Boehner lied.
I have shown that they have presented BIPARTISAN plans, that have been voted through the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES with BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, obAMATEUR has only said NO, Reid log jams them in the Senate and YOU HAVE PROVEN NOTHING, but regurgitate dumbed down talking points.
Once again, we are all waiting for you to back up your statements with PROOF and once again, you dodge and weave and make hilarious conclusions.
You failed, typically and predictably, AGAIN – Don’t try again drone, it is too painful to watch drones like you fail time and again and you/they have no clue. it is like watching someone try to put out a fire by carrying water from a nearby stream with a bucket that has a hole in it. By the time he gets to the fire, the bucket is empty, he scratches his head, only to repeat the process again and again and again with the same results.
Pathetic.
“The onus is on you to prove that Boehner lied.”
And I did. Even cluster gets it. But you, sadly, never will. Just like you won’t sign up for those remedial English classes you so desperately need.
Keep screaming those talking points, though!
Monty (jeffy) has been asked several times to prove that Boehner lied. He again claims: “And I did. Even cluster gets it.”
Only in Monty’s (jeffy’s) Land of Make Believe is this true. He has not posted anything in the form of proof, just claims that he has. If you did, provide (again – if you already have done so, this should be easy) the links again.
Cluster “gets it”? Cluster said that “Boehner did a good job in his speech.” This is an admission that Boehner lied? Or is your erroneous and misleading quote about Cluster’s take on “compromise” proof that Boehner lied?
Monty(jeffy) claims that obAMATEUR has released his plan. Carney even denies this!!! Again, his own liberals reveal Monty(jeffy) to be the liar that he is!!!
Again, only in jeffy’s little Land of Make Believe are his statements true. Fortunately, the rest of us live in reality.
Go away, troll. Leave your little mental excrement elsewhere. I grow bored with your limited mentality and blatant, untrue, childish claims.
“Keep screaming those talking points, though!”
I see you took my advice to heart, tired. Now if only you’d do the same with my advice about remedial English classes….
It’s time politicians treated the electorate as adults, and not as if we are a bunch of Monty’s and Mitch’s out here.
LOL! They are pretty pathetic. Fortunately drones like Monty (Jeffy) and Mitch are in a tiny minority. I’m way past the point where I even want to waste time attempting to either understand them or engage them in any kind of meaningful dialogue. Neither one appears to be capable of any kind of independent, critical thought. I keep hoping we’ll get a Liberal to come here and present a good case for Progressiveism, one that forces each of us to dig down deep and examine what we believe and why. There’s been a couple over the years that have tried, but none has ever been able to do so without either making up stuff about Conservatism or ignoring the past failures of Progressiveism. I love when someone genuinely challenges me to examine what I believe. It’s how I’ve become much more Libertarian in my views in the last few years.
I also have a new-found respect for Speaker Boehner. I had sort of thought that he would be just another in a long line of establishment House Speakers. The fact that he’s had some private sector experience is beginning to show.
I am also finding myself to be more and more of libertarian these days on many issues. And look at Monty’s post above – typical brain dead pap. Boehner reached out to the WH in January to resolve this issue, and Obama continued to ignore this issue until just lately, and honestly still doesn’t have a plan that can be voted on, while the GOP congress has already passed one possible resolution in CC&B, and has another plan in the works today.
The fact is, is that if we were to return to 2008 spending levels, and/or repeal Obamacare, there would be no crisis.
Let’s start there. If you can answer that without dodging and weaving like you usually do, or like amy and cluster do, we can engage. – thomas
You really do like to dictate the rules of the game don’t you son? The rules have changed thomas, and conservatives are now calling the shots, and will be calling the shots for the next couple of decades thanks to Obama. Marketwatch simply reflects economical numbers and numbers don’t have a bias. Unfortunately though for you, those numbers make Obama’s policies look real bad. Now, let’s see you spin out of that one.
Conservatives call the shots? Really? you control half of a third of government and you’re calling the shots? stop being delusional.
so you deny that the WSJ or Marketwatch has any bias huh? If you’re truly that gullibe, I have some beachfront property in Colorado I’d like to sell you.
Cluster, you’re a biased tool, and you don’t even see the fact that you’re losing the arguments with the majority of Americans. You are probably one of those tools who thought Newt was going to come out victorious after that shutdown in 1994 huh?
Haha, i pity you fool.
“conservatives are now calling the shots”
Yet they claim none of the responsibility. Of course. Typical conservative hypocrisy.
cluster done bunched you two up and shoved ya both into a pooper scooper…and neither one of ya…got any idea what happened…
now thats how ya handle libtards cluster…GJ
Spook,
you’re one of the most dishonest and “selective” people I know on this blog.
you look up data and information from conservative sites, and present them as mainstream. You have been touting doom and gloom by your own admission since 2003 or 2004. Furthermore, you constantly want people to talk about their philosophy and about their core beliefs rather than solving issues in a common sense kind of way.
Let me give you a hint old timer, this isn’t philosophy class. You want philosophy, go read Locke and Keynes, that will give you a pretty clear picture of Progressives today.
One question I will pose about this “electorate” thing is this: do you think that the American populace is widely and rightfully so looked down upon as the most stupid electorate out of any modern western nation? if you do, why? if you don’t, why?
Let’s start there. If you can answer that without dodging and weaving like you usually do, or like amy and cluster do, we can engage.
You want philosophy, go read Locke and Keynes, that will give you a pretty clear picture of Progressives today.
Thomas, you mentioned this the other day, and I failed to catch it until the thread was dead. It was a long time ago, but I wrote a term paper in college on Locke’s “Theory of Value & Property”. Keynes was falling out of favor in the late 60’s, but I’ve done a lot of independent study on his economic theories over the years. I’m curious as to how each of these men has shaped your thinking.
Spook, you’re one of the most dishonest and “selective” people I know on this blog.
I’m sorry you feel that way.
you look up data and information from conservative sites, and present them as mainstream.
MarketWatch is the most common, and, if you think that’s a conservative site, you haven’t read their opinion pieces. As far as their data, data is data. If the Dow, the S & P, NASDAQ, and commodities go up or down by X amount, I’m not sure how you can even place a conservative or liberal value on that. What are some other “conservative sites that you think I refer to regularly?
You have been touting doom and gloom by your own admission since 2003 or 2004.
Well, since 2007 or early 2008. This blog wasn’t even around in 2003. If you have links to something I said of a gloom and doom nature back then, I’d be interested in seeing it.
do you think that the American populace is widely and rightfully so looked down upon as the most stupid electorate out of any modern western nation? if you do, why? if you don’t, why?
I have to confess, that’s not an area I’ve ever studied. I have no idea how people of other countries view our level of intelligence, nor do I really care. The vast majority of European countries wouldn’t even exist were it not for the United States. If they think we’re the stupidest people around, then I hope we remember that the next time they need their asses bailed out.
sorry he feels that way…lol…you gotta be joking spook…the guys nuts are banging on the inside of his skull…and you feel sorry for him…???….his is a case of degenerate by choice…ignorance through practice…you know…like the cartoon with the guy..who has his head shoved up his behind…and is disappointed cuz he fergot his flashlight….
you can give him sympathy…just kick him as often and as hard as you can…it might just wake the axxhole up
I’m curious as to how each of these men has shaped your thinking.
Crickets from Tommy. About what I expected.
Sort of OT, but here’s a chart that has to make any Obama supporter with an IRA or 401K rethink their position.
YAY!!! another Marketwatch article or chart! Murdoch is laughing all the way to the bank, and this fool thinks he is reading “news” and “market news”.
how about you expand your horizons a little there old man.
And how do you expand your horizons, kook? Where do you get your “mainstream” information? MS-LSD? (DN)CNN? SeeBS? Damn, tammie–you are a moronic tool…
I actually get my news from a variety of sources NOT owned by the filth that is Murdoch.
I am sure you’re one of those hackers at news of the world aren’t you loser?
you get your news from where? THE KAMODE…thats about the only place murdock wouldnt go…figure it out…stooge shxxty…er..city…
nice comeback! man, i couldn’t have come up with a juvenile joke like that! im impressed!
and just by the fact that you call a restroom….a KAMODE tells me you’re probably late 50’s to late 60’s.
HA! what a loser old man!
true…you also couldnt come up with any real facts…but who cares what you think…or are you really that conceited…(YUP…no need to answer)
Is there something about the chart that’s dishonest, inaccurate or biased?
My 401K/IRAs have taken two major hits under Republican leadership – 2001 & 2008. If the Republicans cause the US another stock market hit they all need to be voted out of office. And that is exactly what is going to happen if they cannot learn that “compromise” is not evil. They need to go back and study Reagan if that is their thinking. For a party willing take the country down for a 3rd time in 10 years is unacceptable. If only they cared about middle class American as much as they do the lobbyists and corporations we might be able to get this country back on its feet. There is no doubt that the Republican Party is willing to allow the USA default and go into a depression before they are willing to work with this president. That is how much they love this country. Beating Obama and making sure he has a failed presidency is more important to them than the well-being of this country. They are truly un-American.
“But I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don’t mind cleaning up after them, but don’t do a lot of talking.” – Obama
We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.” – Obama
Pay back is a bitch isn’t it sunny? Now conservatives hold the purse strings, and liberals are crying about compromise.
Go f**k yourself
Awwww, losing your cool, sport? You can’t seem to hold it together, can you?
cluster, appears that I hit a nerve with you telling me to go blank myself. Didn’t know Mark allowed such vulgar language on this blog.
Pay back is a bitch? Maybe karma is a bitch – and you may be soon on your way to find out how much of a bitch. When Mitch McConnell announced that his top priority was to make sure that Obama was a one term president, he set the tone of Washington. His priority was not that the US economy reestablish a healthy economy and that Congress do everything possible to make sure jobs can be created – oh no, that might mean that Obama would have a successful presidency and God knows that could not happen. The GOP is so full of hate and greed for power and money. The hell with the country as long as the GOP gets the power back. Aren’t you the same group that constantly questions the patriotism of your fellow Americans? Except when the Republican’s have lost the White House. Talk about sore losers. You are now becoming just losers with your constant attacks on this president since his first day in office. Republicans deserve to have to ride in the back of the bus with their hateful antics for the past two and a half years.
If the power of the White House is more important to the GOP than the health of this nation, the ability to create jobs, the ability for citizens to save for retirement and to be able to purchase a home, send their children to college (God forbid that we provide higher education for our kids – damn elites), etc, then you are going to find that the independents will not vote Republican, and no candidate can win the Presidency without the independents. Good luck with that. The majority of Americans are truly sick and tired of the political games that are being played by both parties, but more so by the Republicans. When will the put the good of this nation first and do what is right?
If your feelings were hurt by what Obama said, too bad. Grow up and quit acting like children. When a Republican says something negative about a Democrat – s/he is being a leader. When a Democrat says something about a Republican you do not like, then s/he is being a bully. Just cry me a river you drama queen! The fact is is that the GOP DID drive us off the cliff and do not need to be in the driving seat!
tammie, why’d ya change your name?
Hey casass, aren’t you gonna weigh in? All your boyfriends are here…
Thomas and Monty,
We don’t say to hell with the nation, we are simply saying to hell with people like you. Obama and your ilk are large, central authority advocates, so there is simply no compromise with that line of thinking. We are polar opposites in terms of political philosophy, so as I said before, if you want to compromise with us, fine, but there will be no discussion, and no compromise with the likes of you.
Secondly, this crisis is completely manufactured by the idiot in the white house. There will be no default, but that wont stop Obama from fear mongering and trying to divide this nation. He is a child, and so are you.
Cluster,
Then if you don’t want to compromise, prepare to lose big time in the next election.
Have you looked at the polls about this issue? You’re fighting a losing battle against history and you think you’re winning.
Your demographic is not only shrinking, but also becoming more senile by the day. Come 2012, the President will wipe the floor with your candidate, and you will lose some seats in the house due to your idiotic policies which will plunge our nation into partial default.
You’re fighting a losing fight cluster, and I for one can’t wait to throw you and your ilk in the dustbin of history.
I am willing to take my chances on that Thomas. No compromise, let’s just slug it out and see who wins. k?
ObAMATEUR did not want to compromise when he and the Democrats had control of all three pieces of the legislative branch. Remember, “we won you lost get over it” and “Republicans can come along for the ride. They will have to ride in the back of the bus.”
I did not see liberal drones such as tommy-boy (Lebowitz) and Monty (jeffy) criticize obAMATEUR for his lack of compromise. We saw them PRAISE this typical liberal tactic.
Now they predictably WHINE for compromise when they have been rejected by the American people (elections and polls) AGAIN.
you must be sucking on rotten eggs thomastooge…NO COMPROMISE is the right way to go….fact is…compromising with losers like you and obieOne is what got his country in trouble to start with…
i say shaft you guys right now…dig the hole…screw the coffin…just drop your butts in and bury ya both…no need to waste a bullet…scum like you 2 are dead already…only thing we gotta make sure…is to make the friggin hole big enough to fit your lard-arses into the hole…end of problem…
then we can solve the deficit problem without all the obstructionism and lies
<i.I am sure you’re one of those hackers at news of the world aren’t you loser?
tammie, your poor writing skills give you away. And I’m the loser? I’ll play your game: It takes a loser to know a loser, and you know a lot of losers, punk…
ooooh. the spelling and grammar police is here.
watch out! he is here to get you!
putz.
You are probably one of those tools who thought Newt was going to come out victorious after that shutdown in 1994 huh? – thomas
Actually Newt did come out the winner. Hence the GOP retaining the Congress and Clinton governing from the middle and signing welfare reform. Do you not remember that?
Cluster,
Of course they don’t – the liberal leadership re-wrote history and Thomas is not one to show any intellectual curiosity and find out what really happened. Its just like their re-write where the USSR was just bound to fall apart and Reagan just happened to be there…
“tardo”…..Why do you hate Trig Palin? – Monty
Wow. And liberals were offended by Col. West’s reply to DWS???
Monty just displayed the lowest form of discourse I have ever read. And liberals want us to compromise with some vulgar POS like this? I think not.
Cluster
no surprise from the top POS on down to his lowest POS minion kneepadders like these pukes.
thanks for the proof moonie blows
Take it up with neocon. He’s the one who referred to the Trig Palins of the world as “tardos.”
Your “tough-talking delicate flower” spiel is funny, though.
Dodge, dodge, dodge. Neo had no reference to the Palin family, only you did that. At the very least you could man up and admit it. But asking an effeminate liberal to “man up” is probably wrong though.
What, exactly, do you think “tardos” is in reference to, cluster? What’s the derivation of the word?
I do hope these questions don’t offend your delicate sensibilities, but you evidently need some help thinking this all through.
dodge, dodge, dodge, slink and scurry back.
Hilarious
What’s the matter, kiddo? Can’t seem to figure out the answers? Does that make you a “tardo,” then?
Hey you’re the one denigrating a child with downs syndrome. Is this the new tone of civility liberals are lecturing everyone on?
“Hey you’re the one denigrating a child with downs syndrome.”
No, neocon is. I’m just wondering why he likes throwing around words like “tardo” that are so hurtful to people like Trig Palin. Why do you think that is, cluster? Any theories?
Sorry sport. You’re the one that introduced Trig into the equation and are now back peddling as fast as you can. I am just pointing this out to you and enjoying watching you squirm
And I’m enjoying watching you spin up weak attempts to blame me for neocon’s use of an ugly slur against people like Trig Palin. There’s that honesty and responsibility conservatives are so famous for: Run away and blame somebody else.
montypython
Hmmmmmmm
mitch July 26, 2011 at 6:26 pm #
But what do you expect from Neo, the retarded offspring of B4V
What? NO trig comment to your fellow puke Troll?.
PATHETIC!!
Apparently not all Republicans are on board with Boehner’s plan.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903999904576470083852743922.html
Casper,
Just holding his feet to the fire…but more important than that is Obama’s just-released threat to veto the plan…
Obama doesn’t want to compromise…he wants it to be his way or the high way. To which all true conservatives say, “go ahead, make my day”.
“Obama doesn’t want to compromise”
He’s offered many compromises; the GOP has offered none. Could you at least pretend you understand reality, Mark?
Monty,
Please proved us the detailed compromise that Obama has laid out. Thank you in advance
As you say Monty (little jeffy), all he has done is spout off a list of demands.
obAMATEUR has passed the buck again, there is no leadership.
Again, please cite the specific compromises that obAMATEUR has made – House bill and Senate bill numbers if you please.
For starters, he offered a big package of spending cuts including $650 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security–things he’d rather not cut, but that he was willing to cut if the GOP was serious about trying to tackle these issues (I do wish Obama would stop acting as though the GOP is serious about anything other than its own political fortune, but that’s another story). Boehner walked away because he wanted to have things be 100 percent his way. Again: Boehner wanted to make hostage demands, not “approach sincerely.” But lying is just how the GOP operates.
I do think it’s funny, though: One the one hand, you insist that the GOP not compromise an inch. On the other hand, you scream and cry and moan (falsely) that Obama isn’t willing to compromise. If it weren’t for double standards, conservatives would have no standards at all.
Monty,
We’re asking for a plan that can be scored, measured and voted on. Do you have anything?
Anything at all? Because the GOP has a bi partisan bill that was scored, was measured was voted on, and will raise the debt ceiling, resolving our current crisis. Reid wouldn’t even allow a debate on it and Obama said no.
So unless you can provide us with a measurable plan from Obama, it’s obvious that the GOP is the only serious player here.
“it’s obvious that the GOP is the only serious player here.”
“Serious” in the sense that the GOP believes its craziness, yes. “Serious” in the sense that it’s actually trying to address the problem in good faith, no.
Good job moving those goalposts, though. Keep it up!
So that’s a no, on the plan from Obama? Nothing? You’re telling us that Obama has never offered up anything more than a speech to address this problem?
Thanks for your honesty.
Monty, you come here everyday and are exposed for a complete moron, yet you keep coming back? Is this a character flaw or what?
By the way, what about Harry Reid’s plan, cluster? It had trillions in spending cuts (which Republicans say they want), and it had no new revenue (which is also something Republicans insist on). But the GOP opposes it. Why can’t the GOP say yes to what it says it wants, cluster?
I think the Reid plan might work, but think that Boehner might be leaving that as a last result option. It also depends on where those cuts are, and what fiscal years they occur in.
the reid plan is a BS smoke and mirrors truck load.
“By the way, what about Harry Reid’s plan, cluster?”
And with being proven wrong AGAIN, jeffy changes the subject AGAIN.
Reid’s “cuts” are the typical liberal “cut” – reductions of the baseline increases. When it is all said and done, the spending still increases but at a lower rate – NO REAL CUTS!
Liberals are not serious about fixing this problem, they see a chance to score political points with the voters….
…. and dumbed down drones like Monty (jeffy) and tommy-boy (lebowitz) fall for them every time.
Why can’t you say yes to what you claim to want, tired?
“Why can’t you say yes to what you claim to want, tired?”
Another example of Monty’s (jeffy’s) piss poor writing.
Pathetic.
Mark, isn’t it interesting that both sides think the same about the other side? However, the majority of Americans believe that the Republicans are the ones who are not willing to compromise and its their way or the hightway. The have the reputation of the Party of No – and that has not changed in 2 1/2 years.
What part of that very simple sentence didn’t you understand, tired?
(Note: Please don’t think I’m volunteering to be your remedial English teacher. While it would be wonderful for you to take such a class, whoever has the misfortune of teaching it should definitely be paid for their suffering.)
Monty(jeffy) simple sentence? Again, only in your Land of Make Believe.
“See Dick run!” has more meaning than your vague mental excrement you call “English”.
Again people, you cannot have a debate with a moron who cannot put into words accurately what he means.
And again, a specific question has been asked of jeffy only to be avoided, because he cannot defend the indefensible. His liberals have proven him to be a liar.
Pathetic.
So you don’t understand that very simple sentence (and think it’s “make-believe” to call it a simple sentence…not a good omen), but even worse, you don’t know why you don’t understand it. Yikes. OK, let’s start with the basics, as one can never take it for granted that you grasp them: Do you understand what every word in the sentence means? I didn’t use the word “everything” in the sentence, so hopefully we’re in the clear so far.
I will go v-e-r-y- -s-l-o-w-l-y- -s-o- -y-o-u- -c-a-n- -u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d….
Where did I not say “yes to what I claimed to want”? What specifically are you talking about?
Forget the fact that in another thread you addressed Mark in a question in which his name does not appear. I corrected your poor grammar and diction so you could understand your mistake. But in typical mindless drone fashion you ignore anything not in your talking points memo.
I was very clear on what I want. Why is it so hard for you to express yourself in a very simple sentence?
This is getting boring with your circular illogic.
You’re pretending, right, tired? You aren’t seriously this unable to keep up, are you? You’re just playing at being stupider than you actually are so as to avoid having to acknowledge reality, right?
Or are you seriously this unable to keep up with a very simple conversation? If that’s the case, please look upthread, where I pointed out that Reid’s plan has trillions in spending cuts (which you claim to want), and it has no new revenue (which is also something you demand). On top of that, the CBO notes that it does a better job at debt reduction–something else you claim to be very concerned about–than Boehner’s plan. The plan gives you what you want, but you oppose it anyway. So I asked a very simple question: Why can’t you say yes to what you claim to want? It’s being given to you, and you turn it down. Why is that, tired?
Please note that if I have to provide any more tutoring to get you up to speed on your basic language skills, I’m going to have to start charging you. You can’t mooch forever, tired.
Monty (jeffy) defies his own requirements: “where I pointed out that Reid’s plan has trillions in spending cuts (which you claim to want), and it has no new revenue (which is also something you demand). ”
Uh, you simply stated it with NO PROOF OF FACT! No links… No proof … no nothing, which is your usual tactic. You regurgitate talking points.
It was also pointed out, by several bloggers, that Reid’s plan was bogus. It reduced budgetary increases (no real cuts) and counts “savings” from ending wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as CUTS. They are just more money shuffling gimmicks, creative accounting, the new Democrat math.
It is not my fault you constantly change the subject after being proven wrong.
Why would I say YES to total BS?!?
You again string lies together with a false conclusion stating this is what I want, be vague about it in asking your question and put up some false bravado and claim victory!
You are only fooling yourself…… and it is pathetic and a lie. But if that is the only way you can feel good about yourself and convince yourself you have some intelligence…..
…well that too is pathetic.
I notice you stay away from the real discussions and philosophical threads (Constitutional debate, where would you cut spending). You can’t hit and run there with your little mental droppings, nor simply regurgitate dumbed down talking points.
Again, you are pathetic.
“No links… No proof … no nothing, which is your usual tactic. You regurgitate talking points.”
You did the exact same thing; you just mouthed talking points (and very poor ones at that). And you did the usual wingnut cowardice thing: When confronted with facts that make you uncomfortable, you proclaimed them to be “bogus” and ran and hid. Pretty pathetic, but you can do no better.
By the way, if Reid’s plan is “bogus,” then why does it do a better job that Boehner’s plan? Don’t worry, I already know your answer: Because the CBO can’t be trusted and *mumblemumblemumble* liberal bias! That’s always your answer when you’ve been ruthlessly stomped by the simple facts.
“counts “savings” from ending wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as CUTS.”
So do the GOP plans. But you’re not smart enough to understand this. Plus, it’s not mentioned in your talking points, so you wouldn’t even be aware of it in the first place, simple as you are.
So we’re still left with the question: Why can’t you say yes to what you claim to want? The answer, which is becoming clear despite your attempts to dodge it, is that you don’t actually want what you claim to want. Either that or do actually want them but you’re too stupid to accept them when they’re given to you. I’ll let you make the argument for which one of these is more accurate: Are you lying or stupid, tired? Or is it both?
wow, monty (jeffy) I never said I supported Boehner’s latest plan – just that your lie that he never attempted to work sincerely with the President was just that a lie.
Again, why should I support somehting that does not do what I want. You did not disprove that Reid’s bill had ACTUAL and REAL cuts, just reductions on increases. I want what I have always wanted (and for some reason you cannot understand) REAL CUTS IN SPENDING. You know, spend less next year than they did this year. It is not rocket science, but then again to you, breathing and blinking are rocket science.
You again, go off on a tangent to avoid the real issue. You try to change the argument once again, and make claims of me I have never made. That is the only way for you to win an argument is by continurously changing the goal posts and lying about outcomes.
Again, you are pathetic.
“I never said I supported Boehner’s latest plan – just that your lie that he never attempted to work sincerely with the President was just that a lie.”
I proved quite handily that Boehner was lying (and again, even cluster admitted as such). Having lost that argument, you tried to change the subject to the merits of GOP vs. Democratic plans, and oh, look at that: I trounced you in that discussion, too! And then you either played dumb or showcased how dumb you are by either pretending to not understand a very simple sentence or actually not understanding a very simple sentence. I’m willing to let you make the call on that, by the way–were you playing dumb, or are you actually dumb?
You really are a human catastrophe, aren’t you, tired? I pity you, you poor little guy. You just keep losing and losing, then getting angry at your losing streak.
With Monty (jeffy), the delusions continue……..
reids plan was shuffling dreams…he didnt have any solid cuts…like cutting spending in afghanistan 5 years from now…thats not cut…thats BS…
do ya got anything real monte…words dont quite carry any meaning when you fill them with hollow lies and deception….is this the best ya got…HARRY REID…the mafia luvs ya boy…but you are still a stooge
montypython
And I’m enjoying watching you spin up weak attempts to blame me for neocon’s use of an ugly slur against people like Trig Palin.
there was NO “ugly slur” against anyone “like Trig”
I presented a statement of fact to a lefty LOON like you.
You chose to degrade a young child then blame it on me.
You arent just a LIAR, but a Fn Lying PUKE!!
NEXT ?
“Tardo” is a statement of fact? Well, at least tired will be glad to know that he’s got only the second-worst grasp of the meaning of the word “fact” on this blog as long as you’re around, neocon. But there’s no sense getting mad at me over what you said. You should hate yourself for it, though.
Here it is Monty and thomas:
After bobbing-and-weaving for nine minutes, Carney finally says what everybody knows: the president won’t put his plan on paper because he doesn’t want it to become “politically charged” before a compromise can be reached. In other words, you’ve got to pass it to find out what’s in it:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/272768/carney-gets-hit-ten-minutes-obama-plan-daniel-foster
montypython
you continue the lie PUKE.
keep it up
it shows the whole blog what and who you are. That any statement coming from the mouth of a proven LIAR is to be scoffed at and ridiculed.
NEXT? forker
urban dictionary
and MY definition
Tardo
A Super Goofy Acting Person
The Young Lady Was Laughing At Everything Thus Being A Tardo
NEXT LIE from you
Looks like Boehner has to rewrite his plan.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/business/7670567.html
Things are getting even more interesting.
“GOP leaders lobby members, Hannity”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59995.html
Democrats: The Party of Pain and Suffering
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/07/democrats_the_party_of_pain_and_suffering.html
Rush Gets It Right Again
Joe Sheffat
Rush Limbaugh hosted an interview with Speaker John Boehner. Although Rush did not blast the speaker outright during the interview, he followed the interview with an unmasking of the Speaker’s hand waving. For example, the Speaker’s bill would allow the new spending right away while pretending that his proposed cuts, which supposedly would take place over 10 years, had anything to do with reality. Rush provided the platform of his show to shine the light that exposed the specious presumptions of the Speaker’s plan. Rush reminded everyone of the essentially viable DeMint plan by which the Federal Government would return to the 2008 budget.
Tea Party where art thou? Pick me up on your way to the rally.
Here’s an idea maybe we could all get behind. If the U.S. defaults, how about, elected officials and their staffs are the last ones to get paid.
catspuke
more like this………