52 thoughts on “Tonight’s GOP Debate

  1. Mishket Steve's avatar Mishket Steve October 11, 2011 / 10:17 pm

    Newt didn’t get enough time. Each time he spoke he got applause.

  2. 6206j's avatar 6206j October 11, 2011 / 10:21 pm

    Romney is a pro amongst amateurs in these things. It will still be tough for him to win but he has been a class above the rest of those yahoos.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 11, 2011 / 11:14 pm

      6913

      GOP = yahoos
      Ochimpy = god

      dot it.

      steve, newt = no chance in hell, no one cares how much he spoke.

  3. bardolf's avatar bardolf October 11, 2011 / 11:19 pm

    Who cares about the debate. TV chef Paula Dean had moochelle obama on her show and said that the first lady ate like a cow.

    “She probably ate more than any other guest I’ve ever had on the show —she kept eating even during commercials.” Deen taught Obama how to fry shrimp during a TV segment in September before the 2008 presidential election.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 11, 2011 / 11:46 pm

      baldork

      typical lefty.
      the Mooch and a feedbag comes to mind.
      , maybe she toked some of barrys stash.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 11, 2011 / 11:49 pm

        dont forget, this time last election cycle Juliani was way out in front, mittens second and mcLame a distant third expected to drop out.

    • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy October 12, 2011 / 10:06 am

      Dear Sir. I hearby notify that you that attackwatch.org has been notified of your slander against the first chowhound. Next you will be caller her moochelle antionette. Oh wait thats me.

      I denounce myself. Let them eat buns!!

  4. Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy October 11, 2011 / 11:49 pm

    Who’s idea was it to have these liberals moderate the republican debates? Whats the point of that?

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 11, 2011 / 11:51 pm

      GMB

      ignorance coupled with stupidity.
      why are we still running yesterdays losers as headliners on the sports page?
      Oh it is different this time……….

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 11, 2011 / 11:59 pm

        soooooo what will it be?

        1. Our cult guy mittens, can beat your cult guy obamma?

        2. Our real black guy Cain, can beat your 1/2 black fraud barry?

        3. Our retreads mitt, newt, can beat your retread hillary?

        4. Our RINO can beat your commie?

  5. Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy October 12, 2011 / 12:22 am

    Neo, I heard that huntsman fella is doing a bang up job campaigning. He’s up to 1.5% in the polls. Hes got all the business experience and political experience you could want in a person. Why isnt he our guy?

    end sarc.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 12, 2011 / 12:25 am

      GMB

      I lake a REAL underdog…1.5 is a shoe in.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 12, 2011 / 12:28 am

        all aside

        If Fla has our primary in the beginning of Jan. 2012 the whole field will dramatically change.
        Lose Fla and kiss it gooood bye

  6. dennis's avatar dennis October 12, 2011 / 1:42 am

    Several interesting people in your lineup. But nobody who impresses me as a world changer. Newt is a policy wonk in the mold of Bill Clinton, only more cerebral and of course much farther to the right, and much less hands-on. One of the financial elite who couldn’t possibly feel anything ordinary people are experiencing. Which of course also describes Romney to a T. When’s the last time Big Mitt worried about whether or not his employer was going to automate his department or outsource his job to Bangalore? Much less had to forego a luxury?

    Ron Paul remains the conscience of the Republican lineup, while Huntsman remains its pragmatist – but the Republican party has no desire for either now. Santorum is the perennial scold, the twerp one just wants to thump on his ear.

    Michelle couldn’t shut up, Cain put his foot fully in his mouth with Allan Greenspan and Perry was flat out lame. Given the last question, how would he address the nation’s income disparity – Perry simply blamed it all on Obama. No kidding. No solution, no acknowledgement this has been building since the 80s – he just dodged the question altogether. They all had to take their obligatory shots at Obama – the designated pinata of the Tea Party and what passes for a Republican party these days.

    Pretty sad performance altogether. I’m sure you’ll salvage something out of it though – even if only a figurehead to fall in line behind.

    • js02's avatar js02 October 12, 2011 / 9:43 am

      the only sad thing is you, dennistooge…it really doesnt matter if you are impressed…

      you’re a stooge

    • Bodie's avatar Bodie October 12, 2011 / 11:15 am
      • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 12, 2011 / 11:38 am

        Did any of the candidates claim to have met Robert Baroz?

    • Bodie's avatar Bodie October 13, 2011 / 11:07 am
    • Wallace's avatar Wallace October 13, 2011 / 1:37 pm

      It’s nice to see that you are 100 percent committed to sticking with nothing but lies upon lies. It’s a terrific admission of what conservatism is really all about: Rank dishonesty and cowardly retreat from the real world.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 12, 2011 / 9:01 am

      dennistooge
      you forgot……YOUR marxist muslim community agitator……

      Obama’s Make-Believe Life

      By Alan Caruba

      “I have this theory about Barack Obama. I think he’s led a kind of
      make-believe life, in which money was provided and doors were opened, because at
      some point early on somebody or some group took a look at this tall, good
      looking, half-white, half-Arab, young man with an exotic African/Muslim name,
      and concluded he could be guided toward a life in politics, where his
      facile speaking skills could even put him in the White House.

      In a very real way, he has been a young man in a very big hurry. Who else
      do you know has written two memoirs before the age of 45? “Dreams of My
      Father” was published in 1995 when he was only 34 years old. The “Audacity of
      Hope” followed in 2006. If, indeed, he did write them himself. There are
      some who think that his mentor and friend, Bill Ayers, a man who calls himself
      a “communist with a small ‘c'” was the real author.

      His political skills consisted of rarely voting on anything that might be
      deemed controversial. He went from a legislator in the Illinois legislature
      to the Senator from that state, because he had the good fortune of having
      Mayor Daley’s formidable political machine at his disposal.

      He was in the U..S. Senate so briefly, that his bid for the presidency was
      either an act of astonishing self-confidence or part of some greater game
      plan, that had been determined before he first stepped foot in the Capital.
      How, many must wonder, was he selected to be a 2004 keynote speaker at the
      Democrat convention that nominated John Kerry, when virtually no one had
      ever even heard of him before?

      He out maneuvered Hillary Clinton in primaries. He took Iowa by storm. A
      charming young man, an anomaly in the state with a very small black
      population, he oozed “cool” in a place where agriculture was the antithesis of cool.
      He dazzled the locals. And he had an army of volunteers drawn to a charisma
      that hid any real substance.

      And then he had the great good fortune of having the Republicans select one
      of the most inept candidates for the presidency since Bob Dole. And then
      John McCain did something crazy. He picked Sarah Palin, an unknown female
      governor from the very distant state of Alaska. It was a ticket that was
      reminiscent of 1984’s Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro and they went down
      to defeat.

      The mainstream political media fell in love with him. It was a schoolgirl
      crush with febrile commentators like Chris Mathews swooning then and now
      over the man. The venom directed against McCain and, in particular, Palin, was
      extraordinary.

      Now, nearly a full 2+ years into his first term, all of those gilded years
      leading up to the White House, have left him unprepared to be President.
      Left to his own instincts, he has a talent for saying the wrong thing at the
      wrong time. It swiftly became a joke that he could not deliver even the
      briefest of statements without the ever-present Tele-Prompters.

      Far worse, however, is his capacity to want to “wish away” some terrible
      realities, not the least of which is the Islamist intention to destroy
      America, and enslave the West. Any student of history knows how swiftly Islam
      initially spread. It knocked on the doors of Europe, having gained a
      foothold in Spain.

      The great crowds that greeted him at home or on his campaign “world tour”
      were no substitute for having even the slightest grasp of history, and the
      reality of a world filled with really bad people with really bad intentions.

      Oddly, and perhaps even inevitably, his political experience, a cakewalk,
      has positioned him to destroy the Democrat Party’s hold on power in Congress
      because in the end it was never about the Party. It was always about his
      communist ideology, learned at an early age from family, mentors, college
      professors, and extreme leftist friends and colleagues.

      Obama is a man who could deliver a snap judgment about a Boston police
      officer who arrested an “obstreperous” Harvard professor-friend, but would warn
      Americans against “jumping to conclusions” about a mass murderer at Fort
      Hood who shouted “Allahu Akbar.” The absurdity of that was lost on no one.
      He has since compounded this by calling the Christmas bomber “an isolated
      extremist” only to have to admit a day or two later that he was part of an al
      Qaeda plot.

      He is a man who could strive to close down our detention facility at
      Guantanamo, even though those released were known to have returned to the
      battlefield against America. He could even instruct his Attorney General to
      afford the perpetrator of 9/11 a civil trial when no one else would ever even
      consider such an obscenity. And he is a man who could wait three days before
      having anything to say about the perpetrator of yet another terrorist
      attack on Americans, and then have to elaborate on his remarks the following
      day because his first statement was so lame.

      The pattern repeats itself. He either blames any problem on the Bush
      administration or he naively seeks to wish away the truth.

      Knock, knock. Anyone home? Anyone there? Barack Obama exists only as the
      sock puppet of his handlers, of the people who have maneuvered and
      manufactured this pathetic individual’s life.

      When anyone else would quickly and easily produce a birth certificate, this
      man has spent over a million dollars to deny access to his. Most other
      documents, the paper trail we all leave in our wake, have been sequestered
      from review. He has lived a make-believe life whose true facts remain hidden.

      We laugh at the ventriloquist’s dummy, but what do you do when the dummy is
      President of the United States of America?”

  7. Retired Spook's avatar RetiredSpook October 12, 2011 / 10:01 am

    My wife and I got back late last night from a 6 day trip to the east coast. Several times during the day we heard on the radio that the debate was not even being televised. Late in the day, when we finally heard that it would be on Bloomberg TV (a channel we get but never watch), it was too late to get home in time to watch it. From the comments here it sounds like it was no great loss.

    • Count d'Haricots's avatar Count d'Haricots October 12, 2011 / 11:52 am

      Spook,
      I listened from the comfort of my office via Internet; you didn’t miss much.

      At one point the “moderators” played a clip of Reagan speechifying calling for an increase in tax on the wealthiest (we all remember the reduction in the top marginal rates coupled with the closing of tax loopholes which resulted in the “rich” paying more taxes and sheltering less, but I digress) Americans extolling them to “pay their fair share” and then asked the hapless candidate if he agreed with Reagan.

      As the answer droned on I was wondering why Newt didn’t shout out, “What’s next, play a clip of Hoover calling for protectionist tariffs? Why don’t you join us here in 2011 and look at the facts as they are today.

      In a follow up, Mitt was asked about some world-ending scenario in which all economies simultaneously collapse; “what will you do?” was the plaintive entreaty. A hypothetical, Mitt replied. I could hear the blood vessels burst in the bubble-head of the NPR twink, “it is NOT hypothetical, these things are a real possibility!” (Insert face-palm)

      Then they posed the “must raise taxes and cut costs” solution to the debt crises. When that set-up was rejected the moderator (a different twink) insisted that both revenue enhancement and cost reductions are REQUIRED. Why, the just have to there is no other option!

      I admire all of the candidates on that stage for tolerating the moderators and not bitch-slapping the lot of ‘em.

  8. Cluster's avatar Cluster October 12, 2011 / 10:03 am

    Given the last question, how would he address the nation’s income disparity – dennis

    IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS ROLE TO LEGISLATE INCOME DISPARITY. THAT’S FOR A SOCIALIST COUNTRY DENNIS AND IS A FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSERVATIVES AND LIBERALS. I ASK OF YOU – QUIT TRYING TO CHANGE AMERICA!!!!

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 12, 2011 / 10:51 am

      dennistooge

      how would he address the nation’s income disparity – dennis

      WHY would he?
      how about addressing the nations TAX disparity?? HUH?
      46% pay NO taxes
      53% pay LESS than 3% of all taxes.

      OPM and you morons want more…

      • cory's avatar cory October 12, 2011 / 5:41 pm

        “46% pay NO –>Federal Income Federal income <– taxes."

        There, I turned your statement from false to true. You're welcome.

      • cory's avatar cory October 12, 2011 / 5:42 pm

        Ack, tags eaten by blog.

        The important point was that you are citing numbers for federal income taxes and not “ALL taxes” as you are claiming.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona October 12, 2011 / 10:54 am

      Thank you, Cluster. As I was going through the comments, I was mentally preparing a response similar to yours, but you said it better.

      “Address income disparity”? That is up to the person who wants to change his or her income, or that of his or her children. Get smarter (not the same as getting what passes for an education these days, but while you’re getting smarter you might as well pick up one of those degrees along the way) work harder and go where the money is. That is, don’t get a degree in psychology if modern auto mechanics are making $100,000 plus a year.

      • Count d'Haricots's avatar Count d'Haricots October 12, 2011 / 11:32 am

        I still don’t understand why these people think “income disparity” is an issue in need of a “solution”.

        This isn’t a third-world toilet like Venezuela or Cuba where the uber-rich live at the comfort provided by the dirt-poor peons, and it isn’t a Muslim country where sultans dine on peeled grapes while the starving masses fight for the peels. But, Krugman says it so the libiots repeat it.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 12, 2011 / 11:35 am

        I think I am going to open a vein the next time I hear a liberal whine about “economic justice”. America is about equal opportunity, not equal results, and incidentally, there is a lot of work and a lot of money to be made in North Dakota right now and if I were 30 years younger with no job, I would be dragging my ass to ND, rather than protesting on the streets and complaining.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 12, 2011 / 11:35 am

        We talk crap while the commies destroy our republic.
        where the HELL is the TEA party congress we elected?

        Executive Dictatorship:
        Obama Instructs Advisers to Push Through Stimulus Projects Without Pesky ‘Congressional Authorization’

        Nothing, nada, zero, zilch, zip out of boner and congress.
        Gunwalker = same
        threats of violence from unions = same
        takeovers in every city = same
        threats of revolution and rebellion = same

        we are 99% finished and we argue about rocks and the N word.

  9. Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy October 12, 2011 / 12:09 pm

    The progressives keep gaining ground. The republicans allow progressives to moderate thier presidential debates. What is gained by doing that?

    • Caveat Emptor's avatar Caveat Emptor October 12, 2011 / 12:27 pm

      It just brings about the end of days that much quicker Eeyore.

      Wait here while I go get my razor … I just can’t go on.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster October 12, 2011 / 12:44 pm

        Eeyore!! LMAO

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy October 12, 2011 / 1:03 pm

        Go for it Caveot. I would reccomend a rusty blade too just in case you don’t bleed out. Hopefully a good infection will set in. End of Days? That is for catholics not mennonites.

      • Caveat Emptor's avatar Caveat Emptor October 12, 2011 / 1:15 pm

        sorry, end of this present world.

        you know, for a defeatist you certainly are picky about semantics.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 12, 2011 / 1:20 pm

        Eeyore!

        was dat?

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy October 12, 2011 / 1:31 pm

        What am I a defeatist about? Because I will not vote for a progressive republican? Because I see as much fault with the republicans for our countries state of affairs as I do democrats.

        All I have seen people on this blog do is critisize me for these things. When asked about thier plan for getting back to a more constitutional form of government, all I hear is silence.

        Thier grand solution is putting a person with an (r) behind thier name in the Oval Office. Thats it. Nothing more.

        Tell me Caveat, since you ignored my question yesterday, what is your plan and how long do you think it would take accomplish?

      • Caveat Emptor's avatar Caveat Emptor October 12, 2011 / 1:45 pm

        eeyore,
        I don’t think you asked me that question, but here’s my answer.

        Move the government in the direction I believe will be best. millions agree with me, and millions don’t. The left has been successful with incrementalism, and I have at least as much patience as they do.

        I’ll never move the government right-ward if I don’t support a candidate to the right of the guy who’s there now and I’ll never get the guy to the right elected if I bitch that he’s not right enough for me, that just turns off potential supporters and causes the best candidate to be pushed to the fringe.

        P ull the country back from the cliff first worry about getting us on the right path after we stop the parade of lemmings.

        How long? how long will it be if I just piss and moan that there are no purists?

        Uh, never!

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy October 12, 2011 / 2:03 pm

        You say you want this or you want that. Not once have you said how you are going to do it. In fact no one has said how it is going to be done, just that it is going to be done. Pure wishful thinking.

        Piss and moan because there are no purist? No I don’t thinks so at all. Piss and moan because there is no courage to take the fight to the progressives, yes. The republicans have gotten used to giving in to the donkrats so much it is now an ingrained habit.

        If thr progs ask for 100 billion dollars and we only give 50 billion dollars, the progs have won. If we only give them 5 billion dollars they still have won. If we give them nothing, we have tied.

        Piss and moan because there doesn’t seem to be any republicans out there that are willing to take away any money at all from the progs. Yes, Guilty as charged. Deal with it. If my posts bother you so much, don’t read them.

        Be childish and call eyeore if you want. Just shows what a small person you ARE.

      • Caveat Emptor's avatar Caveat Emptor October 12, 2011 / 6:58 pm

        Lead … Follow … Or get out of the Parade!
        Pick a cause, like I did.
        Work for a candidate, like I do.
        Gather others to your cause, like the tea party.
        Offer solutiins, write your Congressman, VOTE!
        Quitcher Bitchen. And Get Involved!

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 12, 2011 / 1:20 pm

      Cluster

      I have to say Newt kicked donkey last night so sad the press has all but destroyed any credibility he has.

  10. Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy October 12, 2011 / 2:36 pm

    Which system should i participate in?

    The donkrat system that agrees with this guy and will give it to him.

    Or the repug system that will go along with it?

  11. cluster's avatar cluster October 12, 2011 / 2:37 pm

    GMB,

    You’re getting too defensive, and Caveat is spot on with his analysis of your approach vs the right approach to take. I once had a baseball coach that always told the team to not worry about the winning the game, worry instead about winning the inning. If we won enough innings, we will eventually win the game..

    • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy October 12, 2011 / 3:12 pm

      I am not getting defensive at all. I am wanting evidence that the opposition is willing to oppose. Anything. Do you have any? What have the repubs done in since 2001 that give you any confindence that they will start opposing progressiveism?

      As soon as someone like Ryan stands up, the establishment tells them to sit down. It is not the right time, this is not the hill to die on, we only control one half of one third of the government. The litany of excuses goes on and on and on.

      I would love to win the game. I will settle on winning just one inning. So far that hasn’t happened and all the optimism in the world hasn’t helped.

      You expect my vote for your candidate. You demand my vote for your candidate. Yet, you will provide nothing that that will show how your candidate will change anything except :trust us”.

      Not sorry at all. That is just not enough.

  12. cluster's avatar cluster October 12, 2011 / 2:41 pm

    Or another metaphor – an old bull and young calf are on hill overlooking a valley full of heifers. The young cow says to the bull – let’s run down there and screw one of those heifers. The old bull replies and says – no, let’s walk down there and screw them all.

  13. dennis's avatar dennis October 12, 2011 / 2:57 pm

    A couple points for Cluster and Ama: I didn’t formulate the question (about increasing income disparity) or ask it of Perry, the moderator did.

    Second, Perry’s answer was laughably stupid. He blamed it all on Obama, as if this just began happening under Obama’s watch and all it will take to reverse it is to get rid of Obama. He didn’t challenge the validity of the question as you do – if he had, one could at least give him points for being shrewd. He showed a complete absence of analytical thought – as if he doesn’t have a clue about much of anything.

    And third, just for extra credit – the question is relevant. Because a.) the economy depends on people spending money and b.) dramatically increasing numbers of what used to be middle class Americans have less money to spend, even though they’re working just as hard as they ever have. One in six Americans now live in poverty. Generally speaking the very wealthiest whose incomes have soared are not working harder or smarter than the rest. They enjoy advantages not available to ordinary working people, the economic system is stacked in their favor and people know it. If this is not intelligently addressed by whoever wins the election, the economy will continue to tank and unemployment will rise further.

    All the GOP candidates have been pitching the same old simplistic nostrums (cut taxes, regulations and spending) but haven’t addressed the fundamental causes of America’s increasing poverty, or offered specific solutions tailored to regions and sectors of the economy. Taking obligatory swipes at Obama humors the Tea Party base but doesn’t constitute any solution for making things better. Many people are waking up to the fact that GOP leaders and their orthodoxy are just like the emperor and his new clothes. They’re standing there buck naked.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 October 12, 2011 / 3:06 pm

      dennistooge

      but haven’t addressed the fundamental causes of America’s increasing poverty, or offered specific solutions tailored to regions and sectors of the economy.

      1. donk plantation & OPM
      2. illegal immigrant (un skilled non english speaking 3 rd world ) peasants.& OPM
      3. innercity demographics. (see #1) & OPM
      4. FAILED public “education”
      5. OPM and porch sitting.(welfare, food stamps, housing, cigarettes & beer)
      6. drug addiction.& OPM
      7. 8 kids 8 fathers OPM
      8. break down of society (sodomy, atheism, marxism, liberalism)

      for a beginning.

    • cluster's avatar cluster October 12, 2011 / 3:08 pm

      Dennis,

      Perry is not my candidate for the exact reason you pointed out, and income redistribution IS a goal of liberals.

      The economy is in peril primarily because of two reasons. An outdated tax code rife with corruption and an inactive justice department. The tax code needs to simplified, and loop holes eliminated, much like Cain has proposed but I am not sure if his 9 9 9 plan is the answer. This will make sure that corporations pay their share and will also broaden the base. Secondly, the justice department is one of the only regulations the federal government needs. There are laws on the books to deal with corruption and collusion, but they are seldom applied. Bush sent Lay, and others to prison – who has Obama gone after? If the rich are manipulating markets, then they need to prosecuted, and a police enforced free market is the best answer to providing equal access to wealth

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