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Obama Honors South Korean President with Japanese Food
http://www.nationalreview.com/the-feed/280099/obama-honors-south-korean-president-japanese-beef-texas
Just imagine, if this had been Dubya, the howls of outrage from the media.
Fools led by the court jester.
PATHETIC, amateurs R US
Another lib calls for violence. I am sure he was just joking. Trying to be funny right?
http://www.breitbart.tv/maddow-maher-advise-occupy-protesters-to-threaten-violence/
I just can’t get over Breitbart disclosing that he carries around a full color photo of Anthony Weiner’s junk on his iPhone. I mean, what is WRONG with that guy? Show of hands – how many of you, male or female, would carry around a photo of any middle aged man’s family jewels on your phone, and then would casually show it off to business associates?
SiCKO!
bams, still having problems with umbrellas.
http://www.kfyi.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=425022&article=9250687
Obama To
Soldier:Marine, Give Me More Umbrella.Marine to POS, FUBO
tommyturban
more like holding the umbrella for the shoeshine boy he hired last night for his boots.
We can beat up on Barry or we can recognize that though he has fail miserably in almost all of his duties as the President, he’s done a pretty good job in the war on terror taking down Al-Qaida’s leadership via assassinations.
As neo points out, killing an American citizen without due process wouldst seem to cut across the gain of that little Constitution thingy I was under the impression was the foundation of the Nation. However, it’s pretty hard to shed a tear over the demise this particular citizen. Still, dropping a bomb on an American, because he is a pain, whist he is sitting in building overseas not posing an immediate threat to anyone, seems a bit draconian. Perhaps an attempt to arrest this American and provide him due process in a court in New York might have been the way to go.
At the end of the day, if we are honest with ourselves, I think we have to admit that it is who is making this sort of decision that determines, in the largest part, our comfort level with a given departure from the rule of law. I’m not comfortable with this. Do we want our Government to have the right to declare a citizen a national security threat thereby stripping them of their right to due process, so they can be assassinated?
Our forefathers intentions in this matter are clearly defined in Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Off with his head, because I say they are a threat to national security, was not their intent. Inversely, restraining the Government from taking such actions was clearly their intent. Hence, we come to the paradox that defines this struggle between freedom and bondage.
We live in the land of the free because we have been brave. We have refused to sacrifice our principles for expediency sake. More often than not, we have not chosen the path of least resistance, but instead chosen the right path, despite its being a far more difficult row to hoe. Americans have historically been, by a large, very resistant to trading freedom for security, but that trend is changing. That is bigger threat to our nation, our way of life, and the legacy we leave to future generations of Americans than terrorism could ever be.
but you missed the other side of the bridge…because we did just that which you claimed…on a scale far, far beyond your imagination….during the civil war…
that, you must agree….was justified…and claiming that the south was not america flies in the face of reality…after all…we fought and killed them because they didnt want to remain in the union…no indictments…no trial…just war…
even as much as this solitary execution…may have seemed to violate the very same principals we set aside to guarantee the unity of the nation…as we are at war…and this man was, as an american…conducting himself in the manner that the rebels did 146 years before him…though he did not directly attack america…he aided and colluded in direct attacks on the USA though his actions no less similar to what the actions of Jefferson’s was, who was president of the confederacy…
aye, a trial in absentia would have been a great showboat, eh….but in reality…any american who stands next to our enemy and gives him aid and comfort…and encouragement and training…to attack this nation…is also a combatant as well…and as such…just like sending snipers to kill high priority targets is justified in time of war….so was the execution of his rebel..
Not much more to complain about now.
JS, are you implying the framers wrote Constitution and the Bill of Rights intending the Civil War be fought? I think not. No, I do not have to agree that the Civil War was a “just” war. There were some “just” outcomes resulting from this war, but a “just war”? Why do think they taught us in grammar school the war was fought to free the slaves and end the horrific practice of slavery. However, as you deftly point out, it was fought to maintain the Union! They lied; because the truth won’t make a ten year old very proud of their country now will it? The abolishment of slavery was one of the “just” outcomes I spoke of earlier.
Where in the Constitution do you find a Federal right to prevent State succession through warfare? I’m talking the framers intent here, so keep in mind, the States joined Union voluntarily. Please, don’t give me the old “to provide for the national defense line, because the framers weren’t motivated by the economic, politics, or logistical pressures of the Civil War era for an expedition resolution to the war. That is the excuse used to justify taking the expedient route instead of the right route. Are we are obligated to repeat the mistakes of the past?
Constitutionally, we got wrong in the mid 1800s. This does not mean we have to continue getting wrong through the 21st century and beyond. That, however, seems to be trend as these documents mean less and less as we the people progress (pun intended) into future. The Civil War is piss poor Constitutional justification for the assassination of an American Citizen in the 21st century, as the last time I checked, the Civil War was not a Constitutional Amendment.
I’m positive the lawyers can make a great argument for the legality of this assassination. However, I know the legal system is less concerned with truth and justice than it is with winning. I even agree this assassination is a positive outcome for our country. Still, I am convinced that a Government that can assassinate its Citizens for reasons of national security without due process is anything, but limited. Isn’t that what the founders intended?
Lincoln gave a speech and paraphrased Matthew 12:25-27 which reads, “And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:.” Today, this nation’s division is not as many believe, so much a matter of left vs. right or the rich against the poor, but between the competing moral ethoses. It is consequentialism vs. traditionalism, which is the root that has cracked the foundation of our house! Hell, you are using a combination of both ethoses in your argument. How convenient. If you don’t get it, as smart and as conservative as you are, I don’t hold out much hope for the republic our forefather envisioned. Such a republic must be built on a foundation of shared moral values producing the commonality to unite not separate the nation.
Your point would be more valid if the administration said, “that Rightlane guy is writing critical blog posts; send someone out to whack him.” As it is, Awlaki chose to become an enemy combatant against America.
That, I’m afraid, is where this sort of thing can go and why we are ill advised to trade security for freedom.
Anwar al Awlaki and Samir Khan were self admitted members of Al Queada in the Arabian Pennisula. Not only were they members, both were in leadership positions and both participated in publishing an online magazine calling on other Americans to wage war against fellow Americans.
Al Queda declared war on the United States on the morning of September 11, 2001.
American citizens or not, they were valid military targets according to the Geneva Conventions. Legality has been upheld.
righrinsane
Ochimpy got nobody, Our military did and it took them over ten years to do it.
A turd could have been in the WH and the results would have been the same……Oh Wait!!
GMB
you are 100% correct, besides that, non uniformed enemy combatants can and have been shot on sight.
NEXT?
there goes another wasted theory by a stooge…seems like justice can be shouted for from both ends of the stick on awlaki…yes…a formal trial for treason in this nation has not been held for decades…and the constitution actually states that no person should be held accountable for infamous charges unless indicted…yet…those are civil laws for civilian things in the world…
leave military action to the real soldiers…and even stooges need to admit…obidumber really doesnt have the wherewhithal to execute this decision on his own…of course his generals told him what they were going to do…he hand no choice but to accent to thier direction…or look like a serious fool when the pentagon exposed him for the coward he is…
but…a showboat trial would have giving him real, solid political value…he just wasnt smart enough to take advantage of it….the end
neocompoop
He could have stood in the way, but he hasn’t. Facts are facts even when you don’t like them. What is an enemy combatant? You seem to suggest that is whoever the government says they are, if you agree with the government, right? I was unaware we were at war with Yemen.
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, Mexico declares Joe the plumber an enemy combatant and a threat to their national security for smuggling exploding toilets into Mexico for the drug cartels who are using these toilets to assonated high ranking political poopers. They sortie an air strike, violating US airspace and blow Joe’s home up in Phoenix, with him in it inflicting collateral damage in the process. Now, it really was a national security problem and Joe would really be and enemy combatant, so by your reasoning, this attack would be sanctioned by the Geneva Convention, hence perfectly legal. We would have absolutely no legitimate complaint with Mexico’s action, right?
Not only is this not OK, but it would be extremely poor foreign policy for Mexico as it is for the US.
Our laws are not based on the Geneva Convention. I do agree their deaths were richly deserved, but Awlaki’s assassination was not constitutional in spiritual sense by any means. A court may someday find it was legal, but even that, when you get right down to it, is opinion.
wronglane
get over it stooge and go hug a muslim.
police shoot people every day tardo.
neo, really, I know you’re a gruff hard line kind of guy, but even you know the police don’t kill people in other countries. The police certainly don’ t bomb them from the air, nor do they assassinate suspects. The police arrest suspects and shoot them only if they are attempting to flee or pose an immediate threat to the arresting offices or bystanders. This is my point and you’ve made it for me. Thanks!
American Citizens are presumed innocent and given a trial by a jury of their peers. I don’t love Muslims, but I don’t hate them either. You are supporting a very dangerous precedent whether you realize it or not. Today, it’s the Muslims, but maybe tomorrow it may be the Christians. If it is, it might go something like this: everyone lineup for their new 666 tat or be declared a national security threat and executed without trial. If resisting this type of action is the wronglane then I’m happy to be in it.
Rhetoric out: “Jobs created or saved” (reference to the first stimulus or more accurately SPENDulus plan)
Rhetoric in: “Jobs supported” (reference to the new “jobs bill” or more accurately tax increase bill)
Apparently, they needed a new theme since the old one was closer to a gimmick (not quite a lie) than the truth.
direct reference to union salaries…no gimmick…just double talk
Pat Buchanan, senior adviser to American Presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan is out with a controversial new book- SUICIDE OF A SUPERPOWER – “Will America Survive to 2025?”
From the beginning
“As the faith that gave birth to the West is dying in the West, peoples of European descent from the steppes of Russia to the coast of California have begun to die out, as the Third World treks north to claim the estate. The last decade provided corroborating if not conclusive proof that we are in the Indian Summer of our civilization.”
bardolf,
I actually agree with Buchanan. This nation, as it was known the past 60 years is dying out. It’s no longer morning in America, it’s closer to 6 pm and the sun is going down.
Ironically, this nation is going down the gutter because of people like Neo, Green, and Spook. If it wasn’t for their blind allegiance to the plutocrats, and warmongers in their party, we may have a chance.
That’s why progressives will sweep them aside into the dustbin of history and allow our nation to progress into the 21st century as a superpower.
That’s why progressives will sweep them aside into the dustbin of history and allow our nation to progress into the 21st century as a superpower.
Progressives want America to be a superpower? That’s hilarious.
Ironically, this nation is going down the gutter because of people like Neo, Green, and Spook. If it wasn’t for their blind allegiance to the plutocrats, and warmongers in their party, we may have a chance.
I can’t speak for Neo and GMB, but you’d be hard-pressed to find where I’ve pledged allegiance, blind or otherwise, to plutocrats and warmongers. And I’m a registered Independent so I don’t have a “party”.
J.R.’s right on the money. The last thing Progressives want is for the U.S. to be a superpower,
Bardolf, despite my doom and on the political stuff, don’t count western civilisation out yet. The barbarians have been at the Gates of Vienna before an western civilisation has a history of waiting until the very last moment to act.
Religious bigotry comparing Christianity to Al Qaeda deleted//Moderator
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One percent Jonny to skip next debate. Maybe he should team up with one delegate Rudi and form a new party.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/187601-huntsman-to-skip-nevada-debate-in-protest
I gotta give Thomas credit for one thing – he is not at all bashful to come across as a complete idiot. He does remind me of the old saying – it’s better to remain silent and appear as the fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
LOL
iranians have never been known fir their brains….Tom or Tommy
I doubt very much he even knows anything about mennonites. 95% of my religious compatriots have nothing to do with what is called “english civilisation”. The vast majority, again I would say, around 95% are very pacifistic. The number of mennonite veterans of any of the various armed services are very low. Violence and confrontation are very rare.
I left the farm at 17, even then I was condidered a radical 🙂 for wanting to know more of my heritage and and my countries history. Mennonites are a people that believe God calls on them to live thier lives as simple as they can.
Thomas ‘s rants don’t bother me at all. In fact if he didn’t attack me personally I guess I would not be doing my job.
Struppe! Struppe!! Wo bist dahin gegangen struppe? Ich lache am Laut!!!! 😛
It appears that the OWS movement is more popular than the Tea Party.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20120052-503544.html?tag=re1.fb
I realize this does not come from Faux News, but as most here would catagorize – the MSM. But lets face it, Faux News supports the corporations, very wealthy and the GOP.
scummy
BS as usual…….
Ahhh more calls for a race war…..
‘We Can Not Sleep Through the Revolution’: Al Sharpton Tells Black Community to Join the Revolution Because Those Kids on Wall Street Are Right About Redistributing the Wealth
AL, come personally and get my wealth… .223
MSNBC Analyst Cheering Violence:
Donny Deutsch ‘Repulsed’ by the Tea Party, Hopes for a ‘Kent State’ Type Moment so the Occupy Wall Street Movement Can Really Resonate With the American People
Sunny,
From your linked document:
The NBC/WSJ poll is a pretty main stream poll, and the difference between 37% and Time’s 54% shows just how far out of the mainstream Time Magazine is.
The media, in general, is also portraying this movement in the best possible light. Just wait until the real violence commences, and we’ll see how popular it is in middle America.
The findings suggest that the right’s portrait of the movement as a collection of lazy hippies who need to stop whining – to “take a shower and get a job” (Bill O’Reilly) – isn’t resonating with most Americans.
What else would you expect from the right? Of course only the Tea Party had a legitimate complaint and should be praised for their protests against the government. But the average Joe/Jane is called “lazy hippies” by the right. Are you surprised? I’m not. The right will fight to the death for Wall Street and banksters. That is you and most of the other posters on this blog.
Sunny,
I haven’t been commenting here long, but I used to comment here when it was Blogs for Bush, and I’ve read the blog periodically ever since. I can’t recall anyone here fighting for “Wall Street and banksters”. Can you cite some examples?
There goes dreggs Velma again with the mindless talking points – “Faux News supports the corporations, the very wealthy and the GOP”.
The Occupy Wall Street children are upset with .. well .. Wall Street. They are also upset with politicians being “bought” by Wall Street and dictating elections (as velma so readily and dutifully regurgitates).
So let’s take a look at the type of politician that the Occupy Wall Street children are protesting …
The politician who has received more money from Wall Street than any other over the past 20 years.
The politician who has received more money from Bank of American than any other candidate dating back to 1991.
The politician who racked up $8.9 million from 56 bundlers in the securities and investment industry.
The politician who had 20% of total campaign funds coming directly from Wall Street.
The politician who, in one election, racked up $15.8 million from executives at Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Citigroup, UBS AG, JPMorgan Chase, and Morgan Stanley.
Oh wait, that politician would be Barack Obama.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/10/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-in-wall-street-dough/
Dreggs you either need some ACCURATE talking points or you need to educate yourself about your own party and pResident. He is the very person you lambast here day in and day out and sadly, you don’t even know it.
Pathetic.
ill bet you just filled up your drawers when u read that eh stooge?
fact is…the tea party is a sleeping giant…you can feel the wind blow….yet you dont know where it came from…your ignorance is like the dark of night to a half blind mental midget….no matter what people say…you fear the light and run deeper into the woods expecting salvation…but it never comes…just like this wall street gig…it can only survive as long as soros directs it to…they wont destroy anything…thier false god wont let them uproot his playground…
nice try…but you crapped out there stooge
Do you think Soros knows he has that kind of power? So the Tea Party is a sleeping giant? Is that right? Looks like it has lapsed into a coma. And no one is missing it. You are such a poet – “you can feel the wind blow” oh wow! You so hurt my feelings by saying such mean things. Wrong. If you had any intelligence I might be a little stung by your words – however, that just isn’t the case here.
Looks like it has lapsed into a coma. And no one is missing it.
Sunny, since you’re not involved in the Tea Party movement, I’m guessing you just take the media reports about it as gospel. What is not reported in the media is that the Tea Party movement has simply changed gears; from demonstration and rallies to Constitutional educational forums and grass-roots, boots on the ground campaigning to elect conservatives across the country. That was actually reflected in the historic results last November when Conservatives ousted a number of moderate Republicans in the primaries, and won 63 U.S. House seats and 6 U.S. Senate seats plus nearly 700 state legislature seats. You weren’t even alive the last time something like that happened.
poor ignorant stooge…you cant use your head…you cant use your mind…you dont use your common sense…what good are you but a poster child for marxists…
Sunny–
That poll also shows the TP floundering at 27 percent positive; 27 percent is an important number.
So what is it here Thomas, either I am a blind supporter of the plutocrats or I am a non participant who should stay on the farm and not vote? You would think, if I were a blind supporter of the plutocrats, that I would be here extolling the virtues of Mitt and the other establishment candidates. My choices for president right now look like Bachmann, Paul, Cain, in that order.
Or do you just have a bad case of GMBDS?
Why would you vote for Bachmann? What does she stand for that you think would make her a good president?
For a farmer, you sure do spend a lot of time on the computer. Don’t you have fields to work and livestock to care for? I was raised on a farm and my parents never had the liesure time you seem to have. We worked from sun up to sun down most days expect Sunday. That was chuch day and a day of rest except for the wheat harvest. Just wondering.
scummy
church didnt help you one bit, were you sitting next to the Mooch and doper barry?
Sunny, first off, my livestock consists of 6 hens and 2 roosters. Second my little farm consists of 100 acres, thats it. Profit can be made even on 100 acres if you grow what is in demand.
I had 8 five acre plots that went to a single company for seeds. All non terminators. The seed was provided free of charge. Next season I will have all 100 acres devoted to non terminators.
Sunup to sundown???? LOL Work smart, then you dont have to work hard.
As for my choice for candidates. The order that they are listed are the order that I beleive my goals will be accomplished All threeare non establishment types. All three will be actively opposed by establish republicans. Revealing the the establishment republicans for what they are. Nothing but progressives with an (r) behind thier name.
Why would you vote for Bachmann? What does she stand for that you think would make her a good president?
Why would you vote for Obama? What does he stand for that you think makes him a good president?
Revealing the the establishment republicans for what they are. Nothing but progressives with an (r) behind thier name.
GMB,
No better evidence of that than this.
I think if the truth were ever to come out, we’d find that the Democrat establishment and the Republican establishment are two sides of the same coin. They have a gentleman’s agreement to share power, with the stipulation that, to make it look like the public actually has a choice, the GOP, when in power, simply moves leftward at a more leisurely pace.
Beg pardon here, My church is open 24/7/365 and an Elder is usaully up and around24/7/365. So if you feel you have a need an Elder is there to meet it. Church services can and often are held in our homes too.
Church is where your heart is not where a building is.
Spook, I do belive I have been catching a little hell here for pointing that out. I do believe I have been called a radical, a freak, rigid, and one who would just not come out and say it, dumb, for refusing to participate in the progressivisation of this country.
By other conservatives.
BFD 😛
GMB – I guess farming almost 1000 acres and raising beef cattle as well as milk cows one would have to spend more time actually working. Has nothing to do with work smart and work less. Even with very big machinery it one stays busy all day. Cows had to be miked twice a day, rain or shine. We also raised chickens, hogs and a huge garden that took a great deal of time and work. I kind of miss the farm – was peaceful but hard work.
scummy
I know one commie pig that should have stayed on the farm
GMB
Going to Nebraska most of my friends were farm kids. I once asked a physics major who stayed up late studying and slept in until 9 how he managed on the farm. He told me, unless you have cows to milk, the corn will be there whenever you wake up! His family never understood the corn farmers who woke at 5 am as if they were dairy farmers.
Coast Guard: Occupy Boston Protesters Spit On Female Officer
GMB
I suspect scummy has penicillin for her bad case.
Sunny dont bother me at all. At least she avoids the personal attacks. Civility should be answered the same way. IMHO at least.
Then if they don’t want to be civil, just ignore em, gets thier goat even worse.
Bloomberg: Park Owner Received ‘Threatening’ Calls from Politicians Over Cleanup
“We’re going to make your life more difficult.”
GMB
scummy is the recycled troll arctic fox…as loony left as you can get.
“Americans, both politicians and voters, may have become corrupted by big government beyond redemption. A virtuous government requires a virtuous people. A frugal government requires a self-reliant people. A free country requires people who value liberty more than money.”
— Charley Reese
compares Holder’s testimony to what President Obama said in MARCH to CNN Espanol about the operation. “I heard on the news about this story that — Fast and Furious, where allegedly guns were being run into Mexico, and ATF knew about it, but didn’t apprehend those who had sent it.” Transcript of the segment that aired on “John King USA” below:
KING: Well, Congressman Cummings, let’s get to one of the questions here. Let’s first listen to the attorney general. He came before this committee back in May. Here’s what he said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ISSA: When did you first know about the program officially I believe called Fast and Furious? To the best of your knowledge, what date?
ERIC HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(fast and furios…its how congress should be motivated to prosecute the usurper in the White House…
Neo, do you really think that Hillary is involved in this? What makes you think that? This just doesnt have the clinton touch on it. No unfornate suicides yet 😛
Shrink says bams has daddy issues. Isn’t “issues” a different word for ” problems”?
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/10/14/shrink-obama-suffers-father-hunger
The mohammed factor is alive and well.
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/20111014north_carolina_jury_convicts_3_in_terror_trial/srvc=home&position=recent
Oh, here’s the link B4V doesn’t want you to see: http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/14/news/economy/regulation_job_creation/index.htm?iid=HP_LN
wankerwalleye
communist net work “news”
yawn
NEXT?
WHAAAAAAAAAAATF?????
MSNBC host: Cain panders to ‘white Republicans who don’t like black folks’…
sir put DOWN the CRACK PIPE!!!!!
Wallace,
There doesn’t seem to be consensus on this issue.
http://tinyurl.com/3eteq76
What regulations are you referring to? Don’t just state that more regulations have been put into place under this president – actually state what regulations have come into being since Obama took office. Not to be too disparaging of the Heritage Foundation, but they are the very far right wing organization that does not always tell the truth. A lot of what they put our are just talking points to get people like you upset. Be more specific. What regulations have caused businesses and individuals higher costs? We have the lowest federal tax burdens we have had in 40 years. Even Reagan had higher taxes than we have now – not that you will admit that. Talking points are not facts.
We have the lowest federal tax burdens we have had in 40 years. Even Reagan had higher taxes than we have now – not that you will admit that.
When Reagan left office, the top marginal tax rate was 28%. It is currently 34.6%, so it appears that Heritage isn’t the only liar in the room.
“Top marginal rate” and “federal tax burden” are not synonymous terms, Leonard.
It’s important to note, that G W Bush achieved record federal revenues under the current tax structure. But then again he was a much more competent President.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200
Also important to note that Reagan doubled federal receipts by the end of his second term, primarily because of the lower “tax burden”.
Wallace,
I wanted to repost this for you. Here are three regulations passed in just one day that “burdens” manufacturing:
March 21, 2011, Environmental Protection Agency, “National Emission Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants for Area Sources: Industrial, Commercial, and Institutional Boilers.” Cost: $545 million annually.
The final regulation sets national emission standards for emissions for two “area source” categories: industrial boilers and commercial and institutional boilers.
March 21, 2011, Environmental Protection Agency, “National Emission Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants for Major Sources: Industrial, Commercial, and Institutional Boilers and Process Heaters.” Cost: $1.8 billion annually; $5.2 billion start-up.
The final regulation establishes emission standards for industrial, commercial, and institutional boilers and process heaters at “major sources” requiring application of the maximum achievable control technology.
March 21, 2011, Environmental Protection Agency, “Standards of Performance for New Stationary Sources and Emission Guidelines for Existing Sources: Commercial and Industrial Solid Waste Incineration Units.” Cost: $285.3 million annually; $719.2 million start-up.
The final regulation establishes new source performance standards and emission guidelines for commercial and industrial solid waste incineration units.
Clueless
Do you get paid by polluters to post this material on blogs or do you do it for free?
Hey, that’s great, J.R. And where, exactly is the part where regulations are causing layoffs? Because as I posted above, not even the businesses themselves–you know, the ones doing the layoffs–are making that claim. Only repeaters of right-wing talking points are making that claim, and it is at odds with the facts, as so many right-wing talking points are.
I’ve not seen a significant number of claims that regulations are causing layoffs, and I watch and read a fairly diverse cross section of news. The claims that I most often see are that excessive regulations are a drag on the economy because they unnecessarily burden businesses with costs that prevent doing things to make the business grow. I guess it’s the difference between looking at a problem through a conservative lens vs. a progressive lens.
Didn’t you liberals cry every time the Bush administration released bls data. Didn’t you folks always say Bush was manipulating the data to show what wasn’t there/ Did.nt you always say that unemployment was always higher than what the bls said it was.
Why do you trust bls data now. Oh silliy me, a donky keeps putting his feet up on the citzens furniture in the White House now.
Never mind.
GMB, it is selective or willful ignorance on their part.
When Bush had 5% unemployment, these drones would regurgitate the party line about how bad the economy was, the unemployment numbers are not accurate and do not show the truth about the economy.
We heard this ad nausem from these mindless individuals. Now, of course, 9% is a recovery, and more people fall of the rolls of the unemployed and are no longer counted in the equation and the drones wonder why we don’t trust the BLS.
I guess they need everything spelled out for them. Remember, they are only capable of mindless regurgitation of the party line and nothing more. Their posts show it time and again.
I love people like baldork and wankerwallace. one who works in academia the other a 15 yo in his mamas basement telling business owners about jobs and govt regulations.
the blind leading the blind.
WHY ??
WHouse fights to keep visitor logs secret…
SEIU
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/marxist-revolution-beck-shows-oreilly-how-organized-effort-guides-world-wide-occupy-protests/
Whoah
Welcome to your shadow government! A disaster!
There are very few of us who know just what all the CZAR’s do in D.C………………Here are their names and job descriptions as designated by the president…….this should be educational to ALL AMERICANS…………no matter what your political agenda…….remember the one who put these characters on the payroll.
Also, remember, these people are not Congress approved and there is no job description for their position (that would be whatever the president and they determine to be adequate for any situation – in many cases only they!). Sounds like a dictatorship….???
OBAMA’S “CZARS”– Read who they are and realize what they want to do.
Richard Holbrooke
Ed Montgomery
Auto recovery Czar
Black radical anti business activist. Affirmative Action and Job Preference for blacks. Univ of Maryland Business School Dean teaches US business has caused world poverty.. ACORN board member.Communist DuBois Club member.
Jeffrey Crowley
AIDS Czar
Radical Homosexual.. A Gay Rights activist. Believes in Gay Marriage and especially, a Special Status for homosexuals only, including complete free health care for gays.
Alan Bersin
Border Czar
The former failed superintendent of San Diego . Ultra Liberal friend of Hilary Clinton. Served as Border Czar under Janet Reno – to keep borders open to illegals without interference from US
David J. Hayes
California Water Czar
Sr. Fellow of radical environmentalist group, “Progress Policy”. No training or experience in water management whatsoever.
Ron Bloom
Car Czar
Auto Union worker. Anti business & anti nuclear. Has worked hard to force US auto makers out of business. Sits on the Board of Chrysler which is now Auto Union owned. How did this happen?
Dennis Ross
Central Region Czar
Believes US policy has caused Mid East wars. Obama apologist to the world. Anti gun and completely pro abortion.
Lynn Rosenthal
Director of the National Network to End Domestic Violence. Vicious anti male feminist. Supported male castration. Imagine?
Gil Kerlikowske
Drug Czar
devoted lobbyist for every restrictive gun law proposal, Former Chief of Police in Liberal Seattle. Believes no American should own a firearm. Supports legalization of all drugs
Paul Volcker
Economic Czar
Head of Fed Reserve under Jimmy Carter when US economy nearly failed. Obama appointed head of the Economic Recovery Advisory Board which engineered the Obama economic disaster to US economy. Member of anti- business “Progressive Policy” organization
Carol Brower
Energy and Environment Czar
Political Radical Former head of EPA – known for anti-business activism. Strong anti-gun ownership..
Joshua DuBois
Faith Based Czar
Political Black activist-Degree in Black Nationalism. Anti gun ownership lobbyist. WHAT THE HELL DOES A FAITH BASED CZAR DO???????????
Cameron Davis
Great Lakes Czar
Chicago radical anti business environmentalist. Blames George Bush for “Poisoning the water that minorities have to drink.” No experience or training in water management. Former ACORN Board member (what does that tell us?)
Van Jones
Green Jobs Czar
(since resigned).. Black activist Member of American communist Party and San Francisco Communist Party who said Geo Bush caused the 911 attack and wanted Bush investigated by the World Court for war crimes. Black activist with strong anti-white views.
Daniel Fried
Guantanamo Closure Czar
Human Rights activist for Foreign Terrorists. Believes America has caused the war on terrorism. Believes terrorists have rights above and beyond Americans.
Nancy-Ann DeParle.
Health Czar
Former head of Medicare / Medicaid. Strong Health Care Rationing proponent. She is married to a reporter for The New York Times.
Vivek Kundra
Information Czar
Born in New Delhi , India . Controls all public information, including labels and news releases. Monitors all private Internet emails. (hello?)
Todd Stern
International Climate Czar
Anti business former White House chief of Staff- Strong supportrer of the Kyoto Accord. Pushing hard for Cap and Trade. Blames US business for Global warming. Anti- US business prosperity.
Dennis Blair
Intelligence Czar
Ret. Navy. Stopped US guided missile program as “provocative”. Chair of ultra liberal “Council on Foreign Relations” which blames American organizations for regional wars.
George Mitchell
Mideast Peace Czar
Fmr. Sen from Maine Left wing radical. Has said Israel should be split up into “2 or 3 ” smaller more manageable plots”. (God forbid) A true Anti-nuclear anti-gun & pro homosexual “special rights” advocate
Kenneth Feinberg
Pay Czar
Chief of Staff to TED KENNEDY. Lawyer who got rich off the 911 victims payoffs. (horribly true)
Cass Sunstein
Regulatory Czar
Liberal activist judge believes free speech needs to be limited for the “common good”. Essentially against 1st amendment. Rules against personal freedoms many times -like private gun ownership and right to free speech. This guy has to be run out of Washington. Glenn Beck called him the most dangerous man in America. He forms regulations in various buracracies to “nudge” us in the direction he wants us to go!!
John Holdren
Science Czar
Fierce ideological environmentalist, Sierra Club, Anti business activist. Claims US business has caused world poverty. No Science training.
Earl Devaney
Stimulus Accountability Czar
Spent career trying to take guns away from American citizens. Believes in Open Borders to Mexico . Author of statement blaming US gun stores for drug war in Mexico.
J. Scott Gration
Sudan Czar
Native of Democratic Republic of Congo . Believes US does little to help Third World countries. Council of foreign relations, asking for higher US taxes to support United Nations.
Herb Allison
TARP Czar
Fannie Mae CEO responsible for the US recession by using real estate mortgages to back up the US stock market. Caused millions of people to lose their life savings.
John Brennan
Terrorism Czar
Anti CIA activist. No training in diplomatic or gov. affairs. Believes Open Borders to Mexico and a dialog with terrorists and has suggested Obama disband US military A TOTAL MORON !!!!!
Aneesh Chopra
Technology Czar
No Technology training. Worked for the Advisory Board Company, a health care think tank for hospitals. Anti doctor activist. Supports Obama Health care Rationing and salaried doctors working exclusively for the Gov. health care plan
Adolfo Carrion Jr.
Urban Affairs Czar
Puerto Rican born Anti American activist and leftist group member in Latin America . Millionaire “slum lord” of the Bronx , NY. Owns many lavish homes and condos which he got from “sweetheart” deals with labor unions. Wants higher taxes on middle class to pay for minority housing and health care.
Ashton Carter
Weapons Czar
Leftist. Wants all private weapons in US destroyed. Supports UN ban on firearms ownership in America .. No Other “policy.”
Gary Samore
WMD Policy Czar
Former US Communist. Wants US to destroy all WMD unilaterally as a show of good faith. Has no other “policy”.
How lucky are we that these are the people who are helping President Obama in the RUNNING of our country and the White House?
ARE YOU MAD YET? Please pass this on and EDUCATE your family, friends and neighbors!
Stunning…..and don’t forget the payroll they are costing all of us!
I noticed cnn didn’t cite what government data they were basing thier claim on. Care to fill us in on that?
GMB, don’t bother asking; neither Gary Burtless (U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare and the U.S. Department of Labor in the Carter Administration 1977 -1981) nor the liberal Brookings Institute have any credibility when it comes to their opinions.
While I enjoy your oh-so-predictable “facts have been introduced–attack the source immediately!” whine, count, I do wonder: Do you think that running away from facts gives your opinions credibility?
Data is from the BLS, to whom businesses report layoffs. The GOP is claiming businesses are laying people off due to “regulations,” but the actual businesses doing the laying off aren’t really saying that.
Ok data was was from the bls. Now care to explain why bls data under the GWB administration was always manipulated to show what they wanted, but now its not under bams? LOLzer
I denounce myself for questioning the chimpyMcBamsHitler administration.
Off with my head!!
“Now care to explain why bls data under the GWB administration was always manipulated to show what they wanted, but now its not under bams?”
What are you talking about?
Are you kidding? Did you sleep through the Bush administration? Eveytime unemployed info came out? You are kdding right?
Neo, I thought Sunny was VanDregg? Or was are Sunny/vandregg/Artic Fox all the same person.
The leftys use so many sock puppets its hard to tell any more.
scummy is VDqueen?
sorry Faux that is an insult even to you. welllll maybe not,
all democrat commie women look alike anyway…..
Sock puppetts, that duck doesn’t quack Sir.
Brookfield properties………
The White House has expressed sympathy for the protestors, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said they are a reminder of all the work government has left to do.
Mayor Bloomberg told his staff they are under strict orders not to pressure Brookfield one way or another with regard to Zuccotti Park and the protestors. Countless celebrities have either visited Zuccotti park, or otherwise publicly expressed solidarity.
Hmmmmmmmm
Bloomberg’s live in girlfriend is VERY involved in this corp
and surprise surprise chelsea KKKlintoon is on the board of directors.
Quack!
Good news. American troops to be deployed to africa to help fight the LRA.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/obama-sends-100-us-troops-to-uganda-to-combat-lords-resistance-army/
Another war for bams?
GMB
see here for the other criminal hillary’s involvement in gun runner.
Ubomba sends troops to Uganda?
Ugotta be Ukidding.
LOL
meanwhile…back at the ranch…oblunderthunder strikes again…libtards never learn…those socialist programs…they just dont work
The Obama administration says it is unable to go forward with a major program in the president’s signature health care overhaul law – a new long-term care insurance plan.
Officials said Friday the long-term care program has critical design flaws that can’t be fixed to make it financially self-sustaining.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told Congress in a letter that she does not see a viable path forward at this time. By law, implementation of the program was contingent on Sebelius certifying it financially sound.
The program was supposed to be a voluntary insurance plan for working adults regardless of age or health. Workers would pay an affordable monthly premium during their careers, and could collect a modest daily cash benefit if they became disabled later in life
gee you mean the regime LIED?
say it aint so.