245 thoughts on “Open Thread: Iowa Caucuses

  1. doug's avatar doug January 3, 2012 / 12:23 pm

    Romney takes fourth and is declared the winner. First place goes to Rick Santorum who is immediately declared a loser for not being able to win in New Hampshire. Ron Paul surprises everybody by taking 2nd place and not first, MSNBC declares it a travesty because the evil Christians must have came out in force to keep the only sane candidate from winning. Third place goes to Newt, who having failed to exceed expectations by the same amount that Santorum did, becomes just a media afterthought. Perry takes fifth place and thus becomes the third and final media ordained ‘ticket’ punched in the Iowa caucuses, after Romney and Paul. Bachmann earns as much as Cain and Palin combined then goes on TV saying that proves that she deserves both their supporters votes in the future as a result.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 3:45 pm

      doug

      LOL
      sadly you are right on the money

  2. James's avatar James January 3, 2012 / 12:40 pm

    Romney will win with 25%
    Paul will get 22%
    Santorum will get 17%
    Gingrich will get 12%

    The rest will come in under 10% and drop out.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 3:44 pm

      ESPn james?

      WHO cares???
      Iowa WHO???

      • James's avatar James January 3, 2012 / 4:29 pm

        Florida will go for Romney as well. Face the music neo, your dreams of a conservative utopia are looking slimmer each day…

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 4:55 pm

        james

        Riiiight, sure, ask these men
        Winners of the Iowa Caucus who didn’t get the nomination:

        1972 Muskie D
        1980 Bush R
        1988 Gephardt D, Dole R
        1992 Harkin D
        2008 Huckabee R

        or scream dean

  3. sherry's avatar sherry January 3, 2012 / 12:42 pm

    Hopeful. That’s me.

  4. J. R. Babcock's avatar J. R. Babcock January 3, 2012 / 2:17 pm

    Iowa? Is that in the United States?

  5. Retired Spook's avatar RetiredSpook January 3, 2012 / 3:35 pm

    With 40% of likely caucus goers saying they could still change their mind at the last minute, you might as well throw darts at a list of the candidates or pick names out of a hat. Newt has already predicted that he won’t win. I’ll predict that Bachman won’t win either.

    What puzzles me is why we make such a fuss over a state with 6 electoral votes and less than 1/100 of the nation’s population.

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster January 3, 2012 / 3:43 pm

      …why we make such a fuss over a state with 6 electoral votes and less than 1/100 of the nation’s population.

      Good point. And the way the primaries are done this year, Iowa is less important than past years. Florida will determine the winner, and I am of the mind that Romney has it pretty much in the bag.

      • Jack in Chicago's avatar Jack in Chicago January 3, 2012 / 3:49 pm

        Gee, for once we agree. It’s gonna be Romney. And the so-called “real conservatives” are either going to have to hold their noses and vote for him or somehow convince a third-party candidate like Santorum to run and basically hand the election to Obama.

        I’m looking forward to coming back here in a few months to hear the variations on the theme, “Well, I don’t like Romney either, but I’m sending him money and voting for him because we can’t have another four years of Barack.” Conservative values be damned, you’re all going to wind up voting for Mitt, a former pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-gun, pro-mandate left-of-centrist flip-flopper.

        Get used to it.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 3:56 pm

        mehoff in chi town

        dream on stooge

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 4:05 pm

        mehoff in chi town

        wind up voting for Mitt, a former pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-gun, pro-mandate left-of-centrist flip-flopper.

        any way you spin it mittens is 1000 times better than the racist, marxist, muslim, usurping mulatto, gay doper.

      • James's avatar James January 3, 2012 / 4:28 pm

        and the rationalizing begins…good job Neo! keep up the principled conservative value! NOT!

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 4:57 pm

        jamestooge

        see circular arguments

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona January 3, 2012 / 11:45 pm

        I do love our PL trolls. If I were to write that any of them thinks of Rick Santorum as being a “third party candidate” I would be accused of trying to cast aspersions upon his intelligence and sanity.

        So it’s a gift when one of them comes out and says it himself.

        I guess “Jack” figured he could shut up and have us wonder how stupid he is, or post and remove all doubt.

    • Jack in Chicago's avatar Jack in Chicago January 3, 2012 / 4:46 pm

      What puzzles me is why we make such a fuss over a state with 6 electoral votes and less than 1/100 of the nation’s population.

      That’s exactly what people say when their candidate is polling in the low or even single digits. If your guy was winning, you’d be singing a far different tune.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 4:58 pm

        mehoff in chi town

        BS troll

      • Retired Spook's avatar RetiredSpook January 3, 2012 / 6:08 pm

        I don’t really have a “guy” at this point. I could live with any of them with the possible exception of Ron Paul.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 6:35 pm

        spook

        me too.
        anybody but Ochimpy and hitlery.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster January 3, 2012 / 7:02 pm

        Jack,

        Did you vote for Obama? And if so, what about the principles that you compromised? How in the world can you sleep at night knowing that you voted for someone that kills Americans over seas by drone attacks, that leaves Gitmo open, that strengthens the Patriot Act, and who takes in more Wall Street money than any other candidate? Knowing how childish you are with politics however, you probably haven’t even considered how unprincipled you really are.

  6. js03's avatar js03 January 3, 2012 / 3:37 pm

    drudge poll- ron paul is kickin butt

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 3:41 pm

      Fla is the brass ring THIS month

      I look for Santorum to run big in the REAL primaries not two piss ant states
      19 Million people 27 electoral votes….Iowa WHO?

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 3:42 pm

      donks switching ,”voting” for mr looney, immediately switching back……
      NEXT??

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 5:05 pm

        It has ALREADY begun

        MEDIA DEBATES IF IOWA ‘TOO WHITE’… drudge

  7. mitch's avatar mitch January 3, 2012 / 5:13 pm

    Mitch, you’ve been warned several times that posting nothing but insults will get you deleted. //Moderator

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 5:17 pm

      bmitch

      Huh?
      jomama Moron

      • James's avatar James January 3, 2012 / 5:41 pm

        See Mitch post, above, for Moderator response to this kind of post. //Moderator

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 6:24 pm

      jamestooge

      cept for you, winner take all…you win.

  8. bardolf's avatar bardolf January 3, 2012 / 5:19 pm

    Romney wins
    Paul 2nd
    Santorum 3rd
    Gingrich 4th
    Everyone else

    The GOP elite has decided Paul can’t be the nominee, so Romney is spending all his money going after Gingrich (since Santorum has 0 name recognition and almost no money). Romney is trading at 80% on intrade, the place where people put up actual money to support their beliefs.

    The result of the caucus will be to narrow the field to Romney, crazy Paul, no name Santorum and weepy Gingrich. Romney can go after Santorum and put Gingrich out of his misery shortly after NH. Conservatives will try to rally around Santorum, but his fund raising ability and lack of name recognition will end his campaign by March-April. Paul is already a nonstarter for most conservatives and Romney will be the nominee.

    In the general Obama will portray Romney as a flip flopper and win the election. The question should be why so many conservatives prefer a 2nd Obama term over a Ron Paul presidency.

    • James's avatar James January 3, 2012 / 5:23 pm

      Bardolf,

      I’d gladly take 4 more years of this President, than 4 new years of Romney.

      This election will be the moment conservatives are thrown into the dustbin of history like the Wigs were…

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 5:35 pm

        jamestooge

        you commies will be there long before conservatives.

      • James's avatar James January 3, 2012 / 5:39 pm

        Ditto //Moderator

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 5:45 pm

        jamestooge

        but you’re the guy who thinks Nazi’s and Communists were best friends… BOTH SOCIALISTS

        yup

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 5:47 pm

        jamestooge

        I will spend how ever much I feel like spending $100.00 ?
        at least on friday.

        peon?
        = projection…..AMCA

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona January 3, 2012 / 11:41 pm

        Nazis and Communists WERE best friends, cuddled up next to each other on the left end of the political spectrum.

        Nazi, as we all know here, is a slang contraction for the name National Socialist Party—the party of Hitler, you know.

        National SOCIALIST Party.

        It was only when Adolf stabbed his buddy Uncle Joe in the back by breaking the treaty between Germany and Russia that it became necessary to redefine the National SOCIALIST Party and move it, at least on paper, to the other end of the ideological spectrum.

        A few dupes bought into this.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 5:36 pm

      baldork

      stick to pole sitting and basket weaving something you do know….

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 5:43 pm

        RNC: Fla primary will remain winner-take-all for delegates

      • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 3, 2012 / 6:05 pm

        Neoconehead

        FLA might be winner take all, but it lost 1/2 of its delegates. It makes sense that FLA GOOPERS don’t even like to play by the rules the GOP has instituted. Just a bunch of cheaters, sneaks and bums like the college football teams done there. FLA GOOPERS whine about the government and then beg for increases to medicare of which they contributed at most 50% during their lifetime of work.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 6:09 pm

        baldork

        sore loserman seems to resonate from your lips.
        it’s not the delegates stupid, it is that the state has 19MILLION residents and 27 electoral votes and if the majority go for Santorum KISS the others goooodbye.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 6:11 pm

        baldork

        like the college football teams done there.

        Uh huh
        again typical sore-loserman

      • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 3, 2012 / 6:23 pm

        neoconehead

        which cheating college team in FLA you proud to follow 7-6 6-6 maybe 8-4 teams? losers indeed but it don’t matter as Romney destroys Santorum in Florida just watch.

        In 2012 SC will ask the GOP to take away ALL the FLA delegates if the state does the same sneaky BS. The GOP could learn a lot from the NCAA. You have to give the state the death penalty or it’ll never learn. Treat it like the Miami football team. A bunch of hooligans who like to get drunk on cheap beer.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 6:28 pm

        baldork

        but it don’t matter as Romney destroys Santorum in Florida just watch.

        we will watch, and if he does the people have spoken not like in iowa where dems get to vote in a GOP primary.
        now THAT IS cheating.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 6:30 pm

        baldork

        which cheating college team in FLA you proud to follow

        Im NOT a donkRAT, which ACORN elected cheater do you proudly follow ?
        sore-loserman

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 6:33 pm

        talk about CHEATING?

        Georgia Judge Denies Obama’s Motion to Dismiss in Ballot Challenge

        USURPER, FAKE, FRAUD!

      • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 3, 2012 / 6:39 pm

        neoconehead

        First if a GOP nominee wants to win FLA they will have to get people who voted for Obama in 2008 since I believe Obama won Florida in 2008.

        Second, the rules for the Iowa Caucus have been in place for long enough that candidates should know how to play the game.

        FLA cheated, was penalized 1/2 its delegates and will be disciplined more seriously in the future. FLA is simply a too big to fail (punish) enterprise which can’t be taken out to the woodshed for fear the crybaby, I-dont-know-how-to-use-a-butterfly-ballot voters will pout in November and vote Dems again.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster January 3, 2012 / 7:05 pm

        First if a GOP nominee wants to win FLA they will have to get people who voted for Obama in 2008 since I believe Obama won Florida in 2008.

        Fortunately, Obama has treated Israel like a red headed step child, thus swinging most of the Jewish Florida vote to the GOP. Considering the recent elections of Scott and Rubio, Florida will be a lock for Romney.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 7:09 pm

        cluster
        and West

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 7:11 pm

        baldork

        are you THAT stupid???

        I-dont-know-how-to-use-a-butterfly-ballot DEMOCRAT voters will pout in November …blah blah blah

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster January 3, 2012 / 7:13 pm

        I am really getting a kick out of these people who think Obama is a lock for reelection. Obama is the weakest incumbent ever to run for reelection, and honestly anyone in the GOP field, with the exception of Paul and possibly Bachmann, will beat Obama. I don’t think these Obama supporters have any clue as to how disgusted this nation is with this incompetent panderer in chief.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 7:15 pm

        FLA cheated expressed it’s sovereignty and was penalized 1/2 its delegates by the GOP…..BFD!!!

        see who the GOP sucks up to for 27 ELECTORAL votes.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 7:17 pm

        cluster

        The alinsky Trolls are out in full farce tonight preaching to OUR team who will be OUR winner and how the home team with NO record will beat us.

        You cant pay for this comedy..

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 7:27 pm

        baldork

        donk cheating 101

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        January 3, 2012

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        New Hampshire State Representatives Challenge

        State Attorney General on Election Fraud Investigation

        Today concerned New Hampshire State Representatives delivered a signed affidavit to the State Attorney General Michael Delaney, stating that in 2009 Representative Larry Rappaport, Mr. Lucien Vita (now a State Representative), and Representative Carol Vita met with New Hampshire State Attorney General Michael Delaney and argued that they believed Barack Obama was not eligible to be President of the United States and requested that Attorney Delaney launch an investigation of Mr. Obama’s credentials. The three believed that the people of New Hampshire had been defrauded by Mr. Obama’s candidacy.

        New Hampshire Legislators Send “Another Shot Heard Around the World” From Concord

      • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 3, 2012 / 7:28 pm

        neoconehead and clueless

        If you are confident in the GOP team you might want to place a bet on intrade.

        Cluster

        Would you prefer Ron Paul or another 4 years of Obama?

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 7:47 pm

        baldork

        If you are confident in the GOP team you might want to place a bet on intrade.

        unlike you screwball libs and your leftist politics, to us conservatives this is not a horse race.
        When the GOP party as a whole has chosen a candidate through a LONG process that is JUST beginning I will decide if I can and will support that individual.

        you can wiggle in the end zone, slap hands, high five, and be as juvenile and innercity low class as you choose we wont.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 8:03 pm

        Would you prefer Ron Paul or another 4 years of Obama?

        would you like the poop sandwich with ketchup? or just the poop sandwich?

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 7:41 pm

      Did Santorum Strike Nerve?
      Accuracy in Academia ^ | January 3, 2012 | Malcolm A. Kline

      Whether he wins the Iowa Caucuses or not, Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum has apparently hit a raw nerve in higher education. “Let’s look at colleges and universities,” he said in Mason City, Iowa. “They’ve become indoctrination centers for the left.”

      “Should we be subsidizing that?”

      is that crying?

      • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 3, 2012 / 7:53 pm

        Big mistake my friend. Iowa has 2 excellent public universities in U of Iowa and Iowa State that Iowans take pride in. There is also Grinnell a top notch liberal arts university and numerous others.

        I can understand why being an alum of Joe Paterno’s State Pen U makes Santorum ashamed. Maybe his time in the Tau Epsilon fraternity gave him the clarity to see the modern university for the indoctrination center that it is, snort. He certainly doesn’t know how to run a campaign, he got hammered by nearly 20% as an incumbent.

        He has put his law degree to good use though: In one case he represented the World Wrestling Federation, arguing that professional wrestling should be exempt from federal anabolic steroid regulations because it was not a sport.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 7:58 pm

        baldork

        and like Klintoon, barry and the Mooch who had to turn their licenses in.
        must make you 3rd rate jr college “teachers” sooo proud.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona January 3, 2012 / 11:22 pm

        snort

        Guess that about sums up dolf’s contribution.

        Check into that R.U. column yet? I can write to them and suggest it. The students might love to see how condescending you are outside the classroom.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona January 3, 2012 / 11:31 pm

        GOOPER GOOPER GOOPER

        I tell you, that dolf is just so darned witty. I’ll bet stuff like that just pops into his head, just pure inspiration.

        Dorothy Parker would be so jealous—of the wit, the sophistication, the intellect, and of course for being out-bitched.

      • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 3, 2012 / 11:55 pm

        Amy

        I haven’t said anything about students. I’ve made light of some universities football programs (I grew up in Big 8 country) and a cliche of animal house behavior evidenced by fraternities and loons like Sanitarium.

        Your obsession with my manliness is frankly creepy. The Count is taken, but if you’re willing to clean up your potty mouth some geezer in a nearby trailer will allow you to cook him dinner. You’ll have to shut your big yapper though , because your opinions aren’t as relevant in real life as you imagine them to be while riding your horses.

        When Obama wins in 2012 it will be primarily due to people like you and clueless living in fantasy land. Fish riding a bicycle, I wonder what old liberal hag first spouted that nonsense?

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona January 4, 2012 / 1:46 am

        And there you again with your ageism and elitism.

        No, you silly silly goose, you did not mention students. I did, when I suggested that perhaps a column in the R.U. would let your students see your sneering contempt for various demographics.

        “Potty mouth”? You whimper about comments on your effete persona and then you get all fluttery about the word “bitch”—used as a verb, no less. Hint: Surly peevishness and, yes, bitchiness, are hardly qualities that come across as very manly. Not my fault. Don’t bitch-slap the messenger.

        Has it occurred to you that if you had posted anything even remotely political, instead of simpering sniping, you would have a different image?

        But no, you snap into a hyperemotional hissy fit during which you blurt out your condescension for, as far as I can see, people older than you, women, people who live in mobile homes, people in agriculture, people who ride horses, members of the GOP, and so on.

        I repeat: Check into that R.U. column yet? I can write to them and suggest it. The students might love to see how condescending you are outside the classroom.

      • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 4, 2012 / 2:11 am

        Amy

        Don’t flatter yourself. It is only out of faux chivalry that Mark and Matt don’t moderate your use of the word “bitch” as vulgarity. Together with the fact that you are nearly the only poster posing as a female.

        The thread is the Iowa caucus of which you’ve contributed 0 but insults. Your belief that Nazi’s and Communists were friends at some point during WW2 pretty much puts you into the tinfoil category.

        You pretense to be a strong woman is belied by your pseudo-victimization at each turn. You jump into the middle of conversations, begging for attention when none of the boys are giving you the time of day.

        You are looking like a desperate girl hoping some boy will pick her to dance at the ho down or perhaps for a paternal pat on the head. Contribute something interesting once in a while and you won’t need to rely on the putdowns you mastered in grade schools.

        Meow

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona January 4, 2012 / 10:35 am

        Oh, dolf, take a pill or something. So you got beat up by a girl—it’s not as if THAT’S never happened before. I’ll bet you flapped your hands and gums at them, too, sniveling that they only whupped your scrawny heinie because there is something wrong with THEM.

        I am always intrigued by the choices you offer those few who bother to read your shrill screeds. Today it is the choice of seeing you as one who purposely lies to try to make a point, one who simply has absolutely horrible reading comprehension, or one totally ignorant of history.

        Not, you understand, that they are mutually exclusive. You’ve shown that often enough in the past.

        Hitler turned on Stalin, or if you prefer, Germany turned on Russia, BEFORE WW II. It was Hitler’s breaking of their treaty that put them on opposite sides during the war.

        Prior to this betrayal, yes, Hitler and Stalin WERE buds, and even after the treaty was broken Hitler’s party was the National Socialist Party.

        So: The lie is that I expressed the belief that “…Nazi’s (sic) and Communists were friends at some point during WW2 ..” . The inability to process the written word could be part of that, if the error is just a stupid mistake instead of a lie. And as for the ignorance of history, well, you obviously do not know of the long-standing alliance between Hitler and Stalin prior to WW II.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona January 4, 2012 / 10:59 am

        The first pact was an economic agreement, which Ribbentrop and Molotov signed on August 19, 1939.

        The economic agreement committed the Soviet Union to provide food products as well as raw materials to Germany in exchange for furnished products such as machinery from Germany.

        During the first years of the war, this economic agreement helped Germany bypass the British blockade.

        The Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact

        On August 23, 1939, four days after the economic agreement was signed and a little over a week before the beginning of World War II, Ribbentrop and Molotov signed the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact. (The pact is also referred to as the German-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact and the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.) Publicly, this agreement stated that the two countries – Germany and the Soviet Union – would not attack each other. If there were ever a problem between the two countries, it was to be handled amicably. The pact was supposed to last for ten years; it lasted for less than two.

        What was meant by the terms of the pact was that if Germany attacked Poland, then the Soviet Union would not come to its aid. Thus, if Germany went to war against the West (especially France and Great Britain) over Poland, the Soviets were guaranteeing that they would not enter the war; thus not open a second front for Germany.

        In addition to this agreement, Ribbentrop and Molotov added a secret protocol onto the pact – a secret addendum whose existence was denied by the Soviets until 1989.

        The Secret Protocol

        The secret protocol held an agreement between the Nazis and Soviets that greatly affected Eastern Europe. For the Soviets for agreeing to not join the possible future war, Germany was giving the Soviets the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania). Poland was also to be divided between the two – along the Narew, Vistula, and San rivers.

        The new territories gave the Soviet Union the buffer (in land) that it wanted to feel safe from an invasion from the West. It would need that buffer in 1941.

        Impacts of the Pact

        When the Nazis attacked Poland in the morning on September 1, 1939, the Soviets stood by and watched. Two days later, the British declared war on Germany and World War II had begun. On September 17, the Soviets rolled into eastern Poland to occupy their “sphere of influence” designated in the secret protocol.

        Because of the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact, the Soviets did not join the fight against Germany, thus Germany was successful it its attempt to safeguard itself from a two-front war.

        The Nazis and the Soviets kept the terms of the pact and the protocol until Germany’s surprise attack and invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941.
        ******************

        I stand corrected: There WAS a relationship between Russia and Germany “..at some point during WW2..” —between September 1, 1939, and June 22, 1941.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona January 3, 2012 / 11:29 pm

      Excellent political commentary, dolf—you really hit upon the essence of the positions and policies of the candidates. Nice to see you have your priorities straight and your grasp of political nuance intact.

      Though I have to admit, seeing you comment on the manliness of others is a tad bit like watching Rosie O’Donnell lecture on civility.

      Or like watching a fish trying to ride a bicycle.

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 3, 2012 / 11:45 pm

        “Or like watching a fish trying to ride a bicycle.”

        Pics or videos or it didn’t happen.:P

  9. Jeremiah's avatar Jeremiah January 3, 2012 / 7:44 pm

    I’d say Mitt Romney will come out on top tonight…but I really don’t want to see him become our next President. I would rather see someone like Newt Gingrich or Michelle Bachmann become the nominee, because they are way above Obama on experience insofar as it relates to handling the duties of the Presidency.

    That said, we get we get…I mean, anyone is better than what we got!!

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 7:53 pm

      jer

      LOL

      you bet

      I like Santorum, Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich, romney, paul, Satan, Ochimpy
      in that order.

  10. Jack in Chicago's avatar Jack in Chicago January 3, 2012 / 7:53 pm

    Thanks for living up to my every prediction guys. The rationalizing is really impressive and you’ve only just started! Keep it up! Go Mitt!

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 7:55 pm

      mehoff in chi town

      thanks for the leftist lunacy we have come to expect and love, you and the other Trolls never let us down.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 8:07 pm

        jamestooge

        conservatives are thrown into the dustbin of history like the Wigs were…

        WTF????
        Bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona January 3, 2012 / 11:23 pm

        LOL, I loved the Wigs comment, too.

        “dustbin of history”—sounds like one of the old CPUSA slogans.

  11. Cluster's avatar Cluster January 3, 2012 / 8:55 pm

    Would you prefer Ron Paul or another 4 years of Obama? – barstool

    I prefer Austrailia. That choice would surely represent the end of America as I knew it.

    Jack,

    I am interested in your rationale for being an Obama supporter. You’re obviously a man of strict principle, and surely you can’t support killing American citizens over seas. So instead of mocking others, how about explaining yourself?

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 9:20 pm

      You’re obviously a man of strict principle, and surely you can’t support killing American citizens over seas.

      or babies born all but 3 inches then scissors jabbed into their brains.

    • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 3, 2012 / 9:46 pm

      What is Austrailia?

      What is America as you know it? (I am assuming know is not in the biblical sense but with people who dodge simple questions is is hard to tell )

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 11:38 pm

        baldork

        it is the 57 th state where Ochimpy’s BC is.

  12. Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 3, 2012 / 10:49 pm

    Romney, Paul, and Santorum in a three way tie. Very interesting. Since Iowa does not have a good record of picking the eventual nominee, can we count all three of these guys out?

  13. Jeremiah's avatar Jeremiah January 3, 2012 / 11:03 pm

    Wow!
    Santorum in the lead!

    Great!! 🙂

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 11:29 pm

      dont they be-head them down there?
      the next vacation where the Mooch will take him?

      paging reggie loooove

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 11:32 pm

        Santorum 24%

        mittens 24%

        ru-paul 22% awwwwwww

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 3, 2012 / 11:42 pm

        Going to be an interesting year, It looks like we finally have a “not romney” Rick Santorum is a bit of a big spender but if I am forced to vote for the lesser of evils he would be it.

        Lets see if he can keep it up. Lets have Santorum/Bachman in 2012. 🙂

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 11:54 pm

        GMB

        Lets have Santorum/Bachman in 2012.

        Yuuuup

        that would make our sooth Sayer libbys heads collectively explode…..

        S = 25%
        romulin = 25%
        ru=paul 22%

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 3, 2012 / 11:59 pm

        S = 25
        romulin = 25
        ru-paul the spoiler = 21

        take rupaul, newt, bachmann, cain, huntsmann, etc out of the equation…..= S

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 12:05 am

        Looking forward to how Santorum does in New Hampshire and South Carolina. If he can keep it close in those two states I would be hopeful.

        I agree the rest of the pack should just drop out. Paul will be gone after South Carolina and that would leave a clear choice.

        I am hoping that March 23 will mean something.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:08 am

        Fla votes the 26th of jan, straw votes has S ahead of the pack.
        If S wins Fla it will be a show stopper.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:11 am

        even if romulin wins by a tiny margin, this is HUGE for S

      • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 4, 2012 / 12:30 am

        Neoconehead

        Straw polls in Iowa had Bachmann ahead of the pack. She is currently last.

        How about an actual poll in FLA, oh yeah Tampa Bay Times

        Fla poll: Romney 27%, Gingrich 26%, Paul 5, Bachmann 4, Perry 4

        Intrade now has Romney at 82% for the nomination. The point in Iowa for Romney was to eliminate Perry and Gingrich not Paul or Huntsman or Sanitarium.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:40 am

        baldork

        How about an actual poll in FLA, oh yeah Tampa Bay Times

        the margin of error in THAT pole is?
        and that was when S was at 10%

        Next?

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:42 am

        baldork

        how about THIS Fla pole?

        Herman Cain Upsets Gov. Rick Perry to Win Florida GOP Straw Poll

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:43 am

        Herman Cain gets more votes than Perry, Romney combined in Florida mock election

        mitt WHO?

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:51 am

        baldork

        Tampa Bay Times
        formerly StPetersburg times = LEFTIST RAG
        strange you quote their poll…..Oh WAIT!!

  14. Jeremiah's avatar Jeremiah January 4, 2012 / 12:09 am

    GMB,

    They say Romney has a lot of support in New Hampshire. So between New Hampshire and South Carolina…South Carolina will be Santorum’s best shot of the two.

    Looks to be a tough race all the way around.

    • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 12:16 am

      I am not counting Santorum out for anything. Where was Santorum during the repubs flovor of the month contest? On the bottom below Bachman.

      Like I said, just keep it close. Like Neo said, Florida will a show stopper. Nationally Romney isin’t doing much better than the 24% he is winning in Iowa.

      Lets wait and see.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:22 am

      MITT 27,830
      RICK 27,817
      NOW 13 VOTE DIFFERENCE!

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:27 am

        RICK 28,102
        MITT 28,003
        NOW 99 VOTE DIFFERENCE!

  15. Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 12:26 am

    RICK 27,958
    MITT 27,913
    NOW 45 VOTE DIFFERENCE!

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:29 am

      Static, Bad Audio Interrupt Obama’s Iowa Webcast…

      Psalm 109:8

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:31 am

        RICK 28,201
        MITT 28,086

        NOW 115 VOTE DIFFERENCE!

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:35 am

        The next two nominating contests, in New Hampshire and South Carolina, allow non-Republicans to vote,

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:44 am

        RICK 29,017
        MITT 28,908
        NOW 109 VOTE DIFFERENCE!

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 12:53 am

        Who do these non repub vote for now? Do they stay with Paul or do they switch over to Romney Mitt? Does it even matter?

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 12:56 am

        GMB

        No it is BS, the open states help mittens and rupaul.
        Fla the first real closed election and a BIG hammer, it will be the defining state.for all but maybe two candidates.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 1:10 am

      I just wrote out a check to RS

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 1:19 am

        Ditto. I suspect yours was just a wee bit more than mine though. 😛

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 1:22 am

        just $100.00 for now, more next month, the long knives are already out for RS

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 1:23 am

        MITT 29,599
        RICK 29,537
        NOW 37 VOTE DIFFERENCE!

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 1:35 am

        This is HUGE…….

        MITT 29,625
        RICK 29,584

        a NO contender, lightweight, polling at 10% comes to within 41 votes for the win.

        AMF mittens
        rupaul….back to the TV show.

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 1:39 am

        RICK 29,662
        MITT 29,657

        Should Santorum skip New Hampshire and concentrate on South Carolina? I’m torn. Not much chance for Santorum to win in New Hampshire but I think he should make Romney fight for it.

        Santorum/anyone else 2012!!

      • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 4, 2012 / 1:47 am

        “a NO contender, lightweight, polling at 10% comes to within 41 votes for the win.” – Neoconehead

        People aren’t voting for Santorum. They are voting against Mitt.

        Some dose of reality is in store before you waste too much of the princesses $$. As of now, intrade has Romney at 83% chance of winning the nomination. He has eliminated governor Perry and seriously deflated Newt. Santorium couldn’t even make it onto the Virginia ballot.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 1:50 am

        baldork

        As of now, intrade has Romney at 83%

        Stuck on stupid…….

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona January 4, 2012 / 1:56 am

        I sent Santorum a contribution last week, before his surge really took off, so I was really happy to see him pull this off. I’ve always liked him a lot, have seen him speak at CPAC and just wanted him to develop a little more polish and maturity.

        And he has.

  16. Jack in Chicago's avatar Jack in Chicago January 4, 2012 / 1:29 am

    This could not have turned out better. A tie between the least palatable person for the right-wing nut jobs and the least palatable person for virtually everyone else.

    This. Is. Fantastic.

    Oh, by the way….what happened to little Newty? Flame out too soon? Poor widdle guy.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 1:38 am

      mehoff in chi town

      Wha hoppen?
      your lil crystal balls broken?

      This could not have turned out better. A tie between the least palatable person for the right-wing nut jobs and the least palatable person for virtually everyone else.

      now go back to the bong and mutter to your self.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 1:45 am

        yowser yowser yowser

        James January 3, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

        Santorum will get 17%

        stick to the paper route kid,
        your days as a ,seer, clairvoyant, psychic, oracle and prophet are circling the bowl into irrelevancy. (as if they weren’t already LOL)

    • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 1:40 am

      Did the bath house close early?? 😛

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona January 4, 2012 / 1:58 am

      I see “Jack” is acting spokesmouth for the PL trolls, who are totally deficient in real political knowledge and who define “politics” as the validation of hostile personality disorders.

      Note that he has never tried to discuss policies or ideology, just wallowed in his innate nastiness.

      He. Is. A. Tool.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 3:28 am

        He. Is. A. Tool.

        a DULL one.

  17. Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 1:43 am

    Face it Jack, barky is toast. Even Darth Mittens will beat him. Keep up the hopeful thoughts though.

    • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 4, 2012 / 1:53 am

      I don’t think Mitt beats Obama though it’ll be close. Actually, given actual campaigning abilities vs. theoretical abilities maybe Mitt is the only one that can beat Obama.

      I’m surprised at how Bachmann collapsed in the end.

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 1:57 am

        Bardolf, get your head out of the main line media please. Darth Mittens will have a tough time of it but will beat barky. barky is no where near as popular as the media would lead you to belive.

        They said the same thing about jimmuh in 79-80. He would beat that cowboy Reagan easily.

        HAH!

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 1:57 am

        baldork

        my dog beats Ochimpy……

        In the PPP poll, 48 percent of Bachmann supporters said that Santorum was their second choice.

        Perry supporters also most often cited Santorum as their second choice (27 percent),
        followed closely by Paul (25 percent).

        Santorum also has the lowest unfavorable rating (30 percent) and highest favorability rating (60 percent) of any other candidate.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona January 4, 2012 / 2:00 am

        The first time an Obama voter confided in me that she and her husband were beginning to think they made a mistake was about three weeks after the inauguration. And that phenomenon has only picked up momentum since then.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 2:06 am

        Ama

        even my left wing sister likes Mitt over the POtuS,
        I’ll convince her RS is the man.

      • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 4, 2012 / 2:28 am

        GMB

        Jimmy Carter=Hostage Crisis (in the media world)
        Obama=guy who killed Bin Laden (in the media world)

        Big difference. If it is Mitt, I’ll bet you double or nothing (2 cases of Sam Adams) that Obama pulls it out with the help of the media and millions from Wall Street.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 3:26 am

        baldork

        Obama=guy who killed Bin Laden (in the media world)

        YAWN, BFD………old news is no news
        and EVERYBODY knows the US Military did the job not the community agitator.

      • Retired Spook's avatar RetiredSpook January 4, 2012 / 10:35 am

        Obama=guy who killed Bin Laden (in the media world)

        Dolf, You’d don’t think whoever wins the GOP nomination won’t have an ad with the situation room photo showing Obama slouching in his chair, still in his golf jacket, because they had to drag him off the golf course to be part of the photo-op as the Bin-laden op went down? My guess is that it will eventually become common knowledge that he was barely even an ancillary part of the operation, or, more likely, an impediment to it like he was with the Somali pirate fiasco.

  18. Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 1:46 am

    Lolzer big time!! Rumor has McCain endorsing Romney tomorrow. Kiss of death!!

    Smack.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 1:48 am

      GMB

      ROTFLMAO……..

  19. Amazona's avatar Amazona January 4, 2012 / 1:53 am

    Just listened to the speeches from Santorum and Romney, and found Santorum’s to be so much more compelling than Romney’s canned rehash of the same old same old. There is a geniuneness about Santorum that has always shone through, but he has matured as a speaker and become quite impressive.

    I see the dolts are already trying to invent pweshuss snotty nicknames, a sure sign that he is seen as a threat to the RRL.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 2:02 am

      flip flopper mitt, meet flip flopper JFnK (viet Nam vet) your ship has just been torpedoed.

    • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 4, 2012 / 2:32 am

      Amy

      Go take your meds. Santorum is a threat to nobody. He lost as a senator by 20 percent AS AN INCUMBENT. He couldn’t get on the ballot in some states. Romney has the big money.

  20. Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 2:01 am

    RICK 29,908
    MITT 29,874
    34 vote lead for Santorum.

  21. doug's avatar doug January 4, 2012 / 2:08 am

    The county by county map makes me sick as it reminds me of my state when it comes to elections. Here the republican candidates win 85% of the counties, yet lose the elections – showing that property owners are for republicans in general. Well, in Iowa, Romney won very few counties compared to Santorum, is it possible that Romney is a bit like our democrats, just liberal enough to appeal to inner cities and not conservative enough to appeal to property owners.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 2:15 am

      doug

      Yuuuup
      you nailed it…..more to follow

      REPORT: OBAMA SPEEDS UP IMMIGRATION VISAS EVEN IF FRAUD IS SUSPECTED…

      MOTTO: ‘Get to yes’…

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 2:20 am

        Desperation? Got to get as many donkyrat voters as possible signed up or does queen mooch just need more people around to her “your excellency”

        When is the next vacation due? They will be back in the morning so it is time to make plans for next vaxcation and another round of golf.

        FORE!!!

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 2:21 am

        dominoes

        Rick Perry to “reassess” campaign

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 2:23 am

        all hail King Putt, and her excellency the Mooch of berthas butt.

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 2:24 am

        and her excellency the Mooch of berthas butt.

        ROFL 🙂

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 2:26 am

        cool; Ok by me.

        Gingrich has new aggressive stance against Romne

        DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Newt Gingrich blamed a poor showing in the Iowa caucuses on his rivals’ attack ads and seemed to conclude that turnabout is fair play as he pressed on with a new aggressive stance against front-runner Mitt Romney.

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 2:34 am

        Newt to Mitt

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 2:36 am

        an omen?

        Static, Bad Audio Interrupt Obama’s Iowa Webcast…

        …no cheering, chanting or clapping

      • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 4, 2012 / 2:43 am

        Name a president who has deported more Mexicans than Obama.

      • doug's avatar doug January 4, 2012 / 2:52 am

        bardolf, do you mean by a percentage of the mexican population here on US territory? I suppose if you let in 5 million of them just so you could deport 500,000 of them you could tell everyone that you deported the most.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 2:57 am

        baldork

        Name a president who has deported more Mexicans than Obama.

        EISENHOWER a Republican.

        NEXT?

    • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 4, 2012 / 2:42 am

      Quite the spin. A Romney supporter would say that Santorum played to crazy provincial evangelicals while Romney was supported by the people in the cultural centers.

      Inner cities Iowa? Those Des Moines crips and bloods are tough dudes I hear.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 2:46 am

        OMG

        Jimmy Carter Gives Obama Advice on How to Win Reelection: Don’t Alienate Voters in First Term

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 2:50 am

        Ahh the racist attacks have all ready begun

        MSNBC Contributor: ‘Rick Santorum is a Homophobe and a Bigot’

        “I find it utterly fascinating, when white people think they know how black people think,” said Williams

        BACK at ya “williams”

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 2:54 am

        Paging Spook

        please splain to da boy (baldork) the rules of holes……..

        DES MOINES, Iowa — A Des Moines neighborhood group is calling on Des Moines police to restart a special unit to crack down on street gangs.

        What prompted the move was a weekend shooting. Now Des Moines police are trying figure out how best to respond to the violence and the neighborhood group.

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 2:57 am

        Surprised it took this long. Lets see if Santorum has what it takes to withstand all the media attacks. Those same attacks won’t start on Mitt until (if) he is the nominee.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 3:00 am

        GMB

        not just attacks on RS, but those CRAZY evangelicals, and religious nuts.

      • Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 3:11 am

        I think I am about as socially conservative as they come. You don’t see us crying over our biscotti and cappacino because the media is bad mouthing us.

        Part of the problem here. Too many folks on the right side of the isle that cares what the media thinks. Well, here I’ll boil it down for you.

        If you consider yourself a conservative , they hate your effn guts and would line you up against a wall and shoot you, if the could.
        Now act accordingly. 🙂

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 3:13 am

        ‘Mischief’ voters push Paul to front of GOP race[Dems started playing mind games with GOP primary]
        Washington Examiner ^ | Byron York, The Examiner’s chief political correspondent

        In Iowa, according to Rasmussen, just 51 percent of Paul supporters consider themselves Republicans. In New Hampshire, the number is 56 percent, according to Andrew Smith, head of the University of New Hampshire poll.

        The same New Hampshire survey found that 87 percent of the people who support Romney consider themselves Republicans. For Newt Gingrich, it’s 85 percent.

        So who is supporting Paul? In New Hampshire, Paul is the choice of just 13 percent of Republicans, according to the new poll, while he is the favorite of … 26 percent of Democrats who intend to vote in the primary.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 January 4, 2012 / 3:14 am

        GMB

        , they hate your effn guts and would line you up against a wall and shoot you, if the could.

        It is the specialty of atheist communists.

      • bardolf's avatar bardolf January 4, 2012 / 12:06 pm

        Neoconehead

        LOL- a headline from when Bush was still president, crips and bloods indeed

  22. Green Mountain Boy's avatar Green Mountain Boy January 4, 2012 / 4:09 am

    Mitt outspent Santorum 30-1 in Iowa. He won by 8 lousy votes.

    All of Mitts money
    and all of Mitts men
    barely won him
    an Iowa cuacus win

    It took that much to win Iowa by 8 votes. Can’t wait to see how Mitt does in a Red state.

    • Retired Spook's avatar RetiredSpook January 4, 2012 / 10:45 am

      GMB,

      What that shows is that going out among the folks, traveling to all 99 counties and holding several hundred town hall meetings can make up for a shortage in the money department. A TV ad can express a particular fact or perception, but an actual person can spell out in detail what the ad distorted or didn’t say. Whoever wins the GOP nomination should take heed of that, because Obama is going to have a money edge in the general.

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