Did anyone watch the GOP debate last night? I DVR’d it and will probably watch sometime today. Anyone change their mind or learn something new? Feel free to discuss.
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another circular firing squad
If this keeps up for much longer expect to see 4 more years of this regime and his final phase of our destruction.
PATHETIC simply PATHETIC!!
“Our” destruction? You don’t have to say neocon I know who you mean when you say “our.” Nice dog whistle!
LOL
I can’t believe I missed the code word, nice catch.
The reason Robin is the only one who heard the “dog whistle” is because it was a DOG whistle! Not often you see a forker admit she is a bitch.
Robin is able to find racism in every comment – I think it’s an innate liberal trait
I thought the debate was very good, and gave each candidate time to spell out their position as well as challenging each others. I don’t think it was a circular firing squad, rather a spirited debate on substance, although I can do without the social hysteria the media likes to play up. I also thought Romney separated himself last night from the others as being the more disciplined, mature candidate. Santorum came across as whiny, Gingrich looked tired, and Paul is still out there in orbit somewhere although he did have moments of clarity. Clearly though, each one of these candidates understand the real problems we are facing as a country, and are prepared to make things happen as opposed to the current idiot who would prefer to pander to unions, divide the country and enrich his bank account.
Clueless
Some data to insert into your emotional, liberal ramblings.
In 2010, the union membership rate—the percent of wage and salary workers who were members of a union—was 11.9 percent, down from 12.3 percent a year earlier, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported. The number of wage and salary workers belonging to unions declined by 612,000 to 14.7 million. In 1983, the first year for which comparable union data are available, the union membership rate was 20.1 percent, and there were 17.7 million union workers.
Anymore of Obama pandering to unions and they’ll cease to exist entirely. The unions which have thrived under Obama are the same that can be undone with a simple change of administration, namely government worker unions.
Good luck with your kids and grandkids working 60 hour weeks and weekends just to make ends meet.
PUBLIC UNIONS!!! If you can’t see the problems with public union legacy costs than there’s little hope for you. Also, this meme about working 60 hours a week for the common laborer is just a deflection from real issues which is typical of liberals, and incidentally if you want to succeed in this country – 60 hour work weeks are common. I have been working 60 hour weeks for 20 years.
Obama gave GM to UAW union at the expense of the bond holders and democrats are crying like little school girls over WI public unions contributing more to their pensions and benefits. So it is a problem stool, despite your ignorance.
No more. You can take your racism and ageism somewhere else. //Moderator
You have to keep in mind that this isn’t about their children or grandchildren anymore.
Robin,
I can’t speak for the others here, but leaving a more free, more prosperous country for my kids, grandkids and great grandkids is about the ONLY thing driving me at this point. So, at least in my case, you’re gravely mistaken. And having spoken with dozens, if not hundreds of Tea Party folks from all over the country over the last couple years, I can also say, without reservation, that concern for the kind of country our descendents will live in is also one of the major driving forces behind the Tea Party movement.
“It is tragic when fear, farce and fantasy all converge in those that are supposed to be wise in year but in nreality are only bitter that their days on Terra are growing shorter . . .”
This from a balding 300 pound college dropout living in mom’s basement with Cheeto stains on his fat fingers who smells of cabbage.
Yeah sure, “Robin” Conservatives are living in a fantasy world. Sure.
Taking a break from World of Warcraft are we?
And what role do you play in the demon world of your sick little mind?
You know Robin, it would help if you actually knew anything about conservatives or conservatism.
This is about what aging conservatives can get done right now while they are still physically able to enjoy it.
Aging conservatives? Conservatives currently have the strongest young politicians in the game – Haley, Ryan, Cantor, Rubio, Christie, McDonnell, Walker, etc, etc. Name one young strong liberal politician.
Robin, Sure we do; In Matthew 22:21 Christ did not intervene as a judge in matters of the corporeal world, for his kingdom is not of this world,
@clueless
Already pre-answered your public union spiel. You actually answered it yourself with the WI example.
I’m pretty sure 60 hour work weeks to afford that 2500 sq. ft. house and 0 hours per week in church = direct route to hell.
@Giovanni Paolo
I agree that taxes and religion are two different spheres.
I would add that what constitutes a marriage is not defined in the bible and certainly the idea that the government’s imprimatur makes or unmakes a holy bond is ridiculous. Following the 2 kingdom theory, why are churches so concerned with the essentially monetary contracts known as gay marriage?
Bardolf,
In many places the Bible speaks of keeping marriage holy and pure between a man and woman.
Read and be informed, or ask and learn.
Romans 1:26-27
Cor. 7:2-3
Leveticus 20:13
Gen. 1:18
Civil Unions are monetary contracts; marriage is a sacrament, which as all other sacraments cannot be offered outside of the definition; read John 2:1-11 (Cana)
Giovanni
You’ve given examples that the church sees homosexuality as wrong. At no point is there an explanation of what constitutes a marriage. (a promise, an official, …)
But the church does not try to control the morality of society. The epistles are for the church. Paul mentions to not be like the Corinthians, not to try and change Corinthian society. He didn’t write letters to the government at Corinth or Rome.
The definition of a sacrament itself is extra-biblical. The Lutheran church holds baptism and Lord’s supper as sacramental, the Catholic church holds 7 sacraments and other churches have 0 sacraments.
I’m sure Roman taxes were used to persecute the church. Nevertheless we are to render taxes.
It is a fact that the Holy Bible does not “define” a marriage as one man and one woman per se, but Jesus speaks to the construct in Ephesians 5:21-32, and calls to the Holy state in John 2:1-11; both can be found in any Bible.
If you don’t want a Catholics interpretation of the Bible, don’t as a Catholic. But, since you did ask a Catholic a Sacrament is a Saving Act of Christ. Go back and re-read of the marriage in Cana, to Catholics, marriage is a Holy Act.
When you state “Paul mentions to not be like the Corinthians, not to try and change Corinthian society. He didn’t write letters to the government at Corinth” you seem to forget that he was writing those letters (First and Second Corinthians) to the Roman garrison in Corinth. Roman taxes were not used in the Roman garrison in Corinth to punish the Church. But, go back to Matthew 22:19 to see why Jesus said what he said in verse 21. Whose image was on the coin that was not allowed in the Temple? Why could the denarius not be rendered to God’s work in the Temple?
Giovanni Paolo
Jesus does not speak in Ephesians, that is an epistle written by Paul. Ephesians 5:21 in particular are Paul’s instructions for how a Christian household should conduct itself. Useful instruction in day to day life within a household has little to do with asking the government to forbid certain economic contracts.
The epistles to the Corinthians are to the church in Corinth not to a Roman garrison. Hence 1 Corinthians 1:2 “To the church of God in Corinth”
Holy Orders are a sacrament in the Catholic church too. But if the government wanted to decide what constitutes a generic ‘Reverend’ the Catholic church wouldn’t give a hoot about it as long as the government didn’t try to decide what a Catholic Priest is (like China).
I spoke rashly, forgive me.
Those were not Jesus’ words but Our Lord’s instructions.
21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word,
27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church—
30 for we are members of his body.
31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”
32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.
These are not wash-n-wear instruction, nor are they “ Useful instruction in day to day life within
a household” but the very foundation of what constitutes a Holy Marriage.
You’re not seriously saying the Holy Roman Catholic church wouldn’t “give a hoot” is the Government decided to redefine what constitutes the Priesthood? The Holy Father would be ambivalent if Congress decides what conditions differentiate a Bishop from a Deacon? Or how an elevation takes place? Get real. The government is trying to redefine our marriage; not some general cohabitation agreement.
Yes, marriage is a Holy Act, one that is the foundation of society far older than the Church itself and sanctified by Our Lord. Marriage is a contract for the benefit of society; a commitment to stay together for the perpetuation of the faith and society; gay marriage is about self-gratification. The Church knows that to redefine marriage to include same-sex couples would weaken the meaning of marriage, human nature being what it is, if the meaning is weakened it is psychologically easier for more people to divorce; look at what happened with the advent of “no-fault” divorce. The divorce rate skyrocketed.
I could go on, but the Church’s position is well documented, and I haven’t time in this forum to fully explain it.
Oh, the authors of the letters to Paul were from the Roman garrison Paul visited; his responses were directed to their new church.
Giovanni Paolo
If the government decided that to recognize Daniel Dennett as pope of a spaghetti monster church it wouldn’t concern the Catholic Church.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+5%3A21-33&version=NIV
Instructions for Christian Households
“Yes, marriage is a Holy Act, one that is the foundation of society far older than the Church itself and sanctified by Our Lord. ” GP
This is the where we disagree. This is a political statement maybe an anthropological statement maybe a sociological statement but a holy thing (marriage) can hardly be the basis for an unholy thing (society). Maybe the government can redefine YOUR marriage. It can’t redefine mine. It can take away some little tax breaks, I wouldn’t care.
The city of Corinth was in Greece and had a population of 250,000. It was dominated by Greek culture and hence the need for your reference Cor 7. Paul visited and preached mainly in the synagogue there. Philippi was the Roman garrison.
Finally, divorce might have skyrocketed under the no fault provision (both being correlated to obsessive materialism IMO) but the Church places the blame and sin of divorce at the feet of the participants.
Protecting the defenseless (pro-life) is the duty of Church in society, nanny statism in its many forms is simply trying to immanentize the eschaton.
Again, if you don’t want a Catholic view don’t ask a Catholic;
The passage (Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Ephesians) is the mutual duties of man, and wife, by the example of Christ and of the Church. It is Not instructions for canning peaches or storing brooms.
From United States Council of Bishops, Secretariat of Laity, Marriage, Family Life & Youth:
“Recognizing that marriage is the bedrock of society, federal and local governments, civic and community organizations, and religious communities have resolved to offer support for marriage. They recognize that a lack of committed marriages and two-parent families is the root of many of today’s social problems, particularly regarding child welfare (Witherspoon Institute, Marriage and the Public Good: 10 Principles, The U.S. government established the Healthy Marriage Initiative to support marriages by enabling couples to gain the skills necessary for healthy marriages. (Healthy Marriage Initiative, age)
[…]
Vatican Council II regarded the family as the “basis of society” and a “school of human enrichment.”
Conclusion;
Marriage is the basis for the family, the fundamental human society. Healthy marriage and family life helps to ensure social stability and improve the quality of life for all members of society. Communities and governments act in their own best interests when they take concrete steps to support marriage and family.”
This is not debatable; this is our belief.
” Church places the blame and sin of divorce at the feet of the participants”
You should really educate yourself on the Catechisms and not accept anecdotal gossip as fact. Innocent victims are never “blamed” and are free to accept the sacraments, such as Holy Communion. Many other situations apply to divorce and divorced couples that the Church recognizes.
Wow, I didn’t get that at all. Gingrich was easily the best, but I think the voters may have given up on him. Romney was dodgy and how would you say it, uppity? When he answered the question on Nukes or high gas prices, he basically told us he doesn’t care about high gas prices, why should he, he’s rich. Basically, even though he did the 2nd best, he had to do it the same way, by expecting us to believe what he says. Santorum, who always looks uncomfortable at a debate, did not come across as whiny, but as defensive. When he should have been attacking, he chose instead to defend the last attack.
If this debate has an effect it will be to take a few points from Santorum and give them to Newt which will allow Romney to eek out a win in Arizona and Michigan. Romney will be toast as soon as either Rick or Newt leaves the race. As long as there are the three then he has a chance at winning contests, once there are just two of those, then he doesn’t.
After last nights debate, I think Romney gained the momentum back and will most likely win the nomination. I like Gingrich but he does go off the rails too many times and Santorum is a good guy but his Senate position is nearly his entire resume, and we have already elected a Senator with a thin resume before, which hasn’t worked out too well.
That contraceptive question, if you look at it was by T’sah@cnnpolitics.com….google T’sah, and someone by that political moniker is an absolute Obama loving liberal, I would guess it was a planted question.
“The current idiot” is smooth enough and articulate enough to convince half of the electoral college to put him into the “most powerful” position in the world even though Barack Obama himself said that he had been born in Kenya and that he was a Muslim. And then he was influential enough to convince the media to label anyone a “birther” who questioned his birthplace or the “fake” birth certificate that he produced while he legally “hid” any student papers or other documents that would disprove his claim to the position. And he is arrogant enough to believe that he can continue the “act” and play his “shell game” with us “nieve” Americans who can’t seem to agree on how to run our government while prospective candidates to his office “debate” before the American people who is best equipped to lead in this political “game” of “popular” political power that now defines our political procedures. And no one seems to be smart enough or courageous enough to propose practical legal steps that would bring his “reign” of dangerous power to an end. We seem to be determined to continue to play this “game” in which he has demonstrated his mastering skills. We are in a very dangerous situation!
Obama definitely has the media and dishonesty in his corner but don’t be so quick to include others. During the debate last night, the topic of personal responsibility was brought up with respect to single parent households and the family unit – which I thought each candidate addressed well, and took courage to even discuss. Once we remove pandering, dishonest liberals from the equation, I think the adults are ready to have real conversations
I am still waiting for the name of the young, strong liberal politician
Richard Hanna, Angelo Errichetti, Daniel Baugh Brewster, Thomas Joseph Dodd, Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr., Jerry Springer, Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr., Daniel Flood, Otto Kerner, Jr, George Crockett, Jr., Cornelius Edward Gallagher – Mark B. Jimenez, Bobby Lee Rush, Bolley ”Bo” Johnson Roger L. Green, Gloria Davis.
Shall I go on?
Oh I am sorry – I meant politicians that actually have influence.
Clueless
If Haley is an example of a young GOP with influence, it’s going to be a long decade for the Republicans.
I’m sure they all have influence in their respective prison cells.
Barfly,
NIKKI Haley, dimwit not Haley Barbour.
Caveat Empty
I was talking about Nikki Haley too. You know, the South Carolina governor who endorsed Mitt Romney. You know, the governor of South Carolina, the primary which Gingrich the known adulterer won. (I say known to distinguish from alleged adulterer, that would be Nikki Haley)
I could have made light of referring to young (pushing 57 and 50) McDonnell and Christie but they do have influence. Walker will be lucky to stay on as governor of WI. Cantor who hates unions has a long life in the GOP. Rubio and Ryan could easily become RINOs, time will tell.
Barfly.
Ah, I see, all about the personal. Barfly is just another old washer-woman obsessed with personality and personal issues.
so who’s your American Idol selection for President? Waiting to see who is the best dancer before deciding?
Ohhh did you hear? Ron Paul has small feet. Is that what makes a good candidate in your petty little world?
Sarah Palin wears tube socks!
Joe Biden has psoriasis.
All good reasons for voting Barfly, better jump on the dirty laundry train.
“I was talking about Nikki Haley too.”
That’s right Caveat, he wasn’t being ignorant, he was being stupid.
Caveat Empty and Count of Cant
Do you think Nikki Haley is a big force in the GOP in the future? After the Romney debacle the news was making her out to be a nobody.
“After the Romney debacle the news was making her out to be a nobody.”
The left-wing, democrat pwned, obama-mania “news” was doing what now?
Oh, That settles it, the Lame Stream News decides who’s-who in Conservative circles. Thanks for clarifying Barfly, /sarcasm
I saw bits and pieces of it. After all those that gone before I wasn’t very much interested in another debate moderated by the other side. Kind of like letting Sasan/Thomas/James/Sz0102/Slccr0102 or whoever he is be moderator on B4V.
It might be a circular firing squad but who is giving the order to fire?
The Greek Bailout thread appears to be dead, but Todd Harrison’s commentary this morning is worth sharing.
http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,15754520,00.html
Another call from Germany for a Greek default. The Germans won’t pull the trigger though. It would be unseemly. They will leave that to someone else.
robin ninkenpoop greenteeth
I know who you mean when you say “our.” Nice dog whistle!
What? dont tell me you didnt get the latest TEA party double super secret decoder ring settings?
You just intuitively knew the super secret code words.?
I will have to get our very own SUPER SPOOK to work on that,
(is “spook” racist?) OOH my another code word broken….damn.
funny though, your rants against WHITE men, the elderly, Christianity, are all just fine and dandy…..why is that RGteeth?
Just think of how much better this world would be, how fun it would be to sit around the camp fire singing, how much better coca cola would taste, if we could only get those damned Greeks to pay thier taxes.
insert comment about 47% US not paying taxes and if they did we would hear Angels singing on high
and I would sing the Marine Corps Hymn with the angels LOL
Bardolf, the newest data has 49.5% not paying taxes. Get with the program.
We are doomed!! DOOMED!!!!
rubin nitwit greenteeth
but in nreality are only bitter that their days on Terra are growing shorter .
Terra ?
pride comes before the fall,
you could be dead 1 hour from now and we seniors could still be alive in 25 years. You take way to much for granted, after all ask Whitney how next months vacation plans are coming along for her.
Death comes to us all, some earlier than others. But in the end, we all meet Allah and face our destiny in the after life.
amor sheethead
But in the end, we all meet Allah and face our destiny
I met allah this morning, then I flushed him into the after pipe.
GMB
only get those damned *Greeks* to pay thier taxes.
Ahhhhhhh, we ALL know the word *GREEK* is a CODE word for Ubamma voters you raaaacist you !!!
(according to RNgreenteeth and shitsan)
I thought *Greek* was code for Santorum voters.
Still Humor challanged I see, ‘dolf.
baldork
I thought *Greek* was code for Santorum voters.
larry, barry, and bwany are santorum voters?
who’d a thought!
neostupid,
obsessed comes to mind. good day.
sashole/jamestooge
No…….perversion and you donks.
bardolf, you may not be out of the closet yet but your obsession with Santorum as a gay sex object sure has the door ajar. Are you hoping people will peek in to see what you are doing in there? Hint: Everybody knows and nobody cares.
bloodypDump
you seem to have a fixation with urine….Id hate to be your boyfriend.
neostupid,
You hate just about anything and anyone. no surprise there. You especially hate minorities, the poor, and everyone who isn’t a christian like you….sad existence if you ask me.
sasoon
No, I covered that already in another thread do try to keep up like with elevators.
sashole/jamestooge
here………“The Greek Bailout”
neocon1 February 22, 2012 at 7:59 pm #
Thats pretty much all the leftys have anymore. Accusations of racism or whatever ism or phobia is popular that day.
The effect has worn off most of us. Call me whatever you want and have a nice day. 🙂
What a wonderful world this would be if evry ones tax rate was a 100% and the forkers could decide our abilities and our needs.
Right?
GMB,
is that kind of like the racism you righties scream when anyone dares to talk about Israel in a negative light?
God forbid someone takes the US side over Israel’s…..all of a sudden they are anti-semites!
Have a nice day, it’s a wonderful day here in Durham, NC
http://www.tnr.com/print/article/politics/100893/barry-goldwater-santorum-republican-establishment-hidden-conservative-majority
Dreams are lovely things. And that is definately a dream.
Funny. Written by a conservative and published in a conservative magazine. The ideas expressed here are the problem that will ultimately force the party to reinvent itself to be; how shall I say, more realistic and progressive. Do you honestly think that Santorums religious crusade or Gingrich’s anger and pessimissim or Romneys vacuousness will win any elections? If you do then you are impervious to reality.
How freakin’ far to the Left do you have to be to think The New Republic and Geoffrey Kabaservice are conservative????
mitch is either seriously stupid or totally deranged.
Both, I think, yeah, stupid and deranged.
Not dangerous stupid like sashole, but stupid, for sure.
Mitch,
great article. I actually believe that Romney has the best shot out of the bunch. If its Santorum, the GOP will go down in flames.
If it’s Romney, the GOP will lose, but they can hedge their losses and live to fight another day.
bmitch
Fn 1964?GET REAL!
the donk party was not yet taken over by the communists, the democrat KKK was in firm control in the south, homosexuals were criminals not the back boner of your party, Abortion was a crime of murder, segregation was the law in racist democrat controlled southern states. do you REALLY want to compare the two?
REALLY??
Yes. And the ideas expressed on this blog typify the “monster” that the author referenced. But they have no one to blame but themselves. Richard Nixon pandered to the religious right and economic anarchists and since those 2 factions are now combined they will implode the party. Or what’s left of it. Add that to the hysteria they express towards the President and it truly is a toxic mess. And I will laugh heartedly on Nov 3. Smug that I am.
James,
Didn’t you just call the Afghan’s towel heads the other day? And haven’t you expressed your disdain for conservatives on a daily basis, yet you are the one accusing someone else of harboring hate? Do you not see the irony in that?
Didn’t you just call the Afghan’s towel heads the other day?
yes he did and then compared Jews to pigs and leeches and worse, he is a racist, a bigot, a Christophobe , and a complete sashole.
James February 22, 2012 at 8:32 pm #
more vicious anti-Semitic garbage deleted//Moderator
Considering the childish display of the democratic base over the last year, you know the Occupy crowd and the whiny public unions, and considering that the democrats have not passed a budget in over 1000 days, and that Obama has added more debt in three years than any other president, and that the unemployment rate is now 9% and with Obama burning Korans, I’d say the democrats aren’t exactly a shoo in – well of course with the exception of the knee padders James and Mitch
Just a minor correction, nothing more to really quibble over. barky has added more debt than the first 43 Presidents combined.
Another public service annoucement brought to you fine folks by, well, me. 😛
Nice. We have have the two most partisan left wingers on here telling us how to win an election. Sorry juniors, nobody is listening. mama jones and markos might be interested but here, not so much.
Any chance you could go share your wisdom with them? I know dumb question.
Whats you next meme going to be?
That the 4 or 5 people who post here don’t decide the outcome of elections. That’s the meme and since your mentality is of the type described by a conservative author you should probably put down your pride and listen to what he said. Ideology divorced from it’s practical application is doomed to failure. But you are so committed to it, and you are so weak and inflexible, you really have no choice but to be a zealot. The public is unimpressed with the Reb candidates and is quicky souring on them. The economy is improving and the presidents approval numbers are on the upswing. Best to hold on to something rigid GMB.
Best to hold on to something rigid GMB.
What are you suggesting there Mitch?
LOL. That tnr aurthor is a conservative? LOLzer again. Somebody better get back on his meds. Having delusions of being in nam again are we?
This time could you do a little basic research and at least get the dates right?
A great speech from barky. I’ll give you the highlights.
“You pay more, they’re licking their chops. You can bet that since it’s an election year, they’re already dusting off their three-point plan for $2 gas. I’ll save you the suspense. Step one is to drill and step two is to drill and then step three is to keep drilling. ”
DRILL BABY DRILL !!!
Finally barky gets, or maybe he doesn’t. LOLzer
I am sure you remember, as well as I do, the liberal drama when gas hit $4 in 2007. The liberals were blaming Bush (an oil man), and John Kerry actually said during the 2004 campaign that he would go over the Saudi Arabia and tell them a thing or two – which was priceless. But nevertheless, it’s odd that liberals and democrats are suddenly very quiet on this issue, is it not?
I rember when closing Gitmo was a good idea. I remember when assinating our enemies was a bad idea. I remember when getting congressional approval for war was a good idea. I remember when opposing the party in power was patriotic. I remember wan 4$ a gallon gas was bad. I remember when the msm cared about the homeless. I remember when the msm had daily body counts from our wars.
I remember………..
So much to remember – but also so much to forget. It depends on which day it is, and what audience you’re speaking to, and that pretty much sums up the Obama presidency.
Stumpy,
Are you old enough to remember waaaaaaaay back in the summer of 2008 when gas was over $4 in many parts of the country and the national average was around $3.90? George Bush announced he was rescinding a Clinton-era executive order banning new off-shore drilling, and the price of oil plummeted from $145/brl to under $35, while the price of gas dropped to under $1.50. Around here it dropped so fast that we actually got into a mini gas war. I still have a receipt from November, 2008 when I paid $1.25/gallon. When it became obvious what the agenda of the new Obama administration was going to be, the price became climbing again, and was around $1.85 when Obama took office in January, 2009. And it hasn’t been that low since.
Spook, please tell us what else was happening in the summer of 2008 – and into the fall. US oil is not kept in the US – it is sold all over the world. We export as well as importing oil. I don’t think your argument that Bush rescinded the Clinton era executive order banning new off shore drilling had much to do with the value of oil dropping. I really think the economy had much more to do with that.
Then you’d be wrong; “remember that by March 2008 Bear Sterns had already collapsed, however the markets hadn’t realized the danger until much later. The Dow hovered around 11..5+k until September and began the collapse after that, about the time oil prices stabilized.
China and India were still placing big demands but cutting back somewhat; the price of crude fell from $140 to under $50/bbl after the Bush Announcement in July 2008 in spite of OPEC’s efforts to stabilize the price.
The Obama sycophants have long blamed Bush for every misstep Obama has made, yet the Evil Genius that causes high unemployment three years after leaving office was incapable of affecting anything during his own administration.
bloodybDump
three cents??? WTF happened then????
but any a LIE is easy to refute
In Pictures: Bush Vs. Obama On Gas Prices
Rory Cooper
March 4, 2011 at 4:00 pm
As Americans continue to feel the effects of President Obama’s anti-oil agenda at the pump, defensive liberals are circling back to a familiar line of counter-attack: blame Bush.
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/03/04/in-pictures-bush-vs-obama-on-gas-prices/
No Moron that is only PART of the picture.
do you think Ochimpy LOSING the entire middle east,
war in egypt, war in lybia, war in syria,
Iran threatening the entire region with a nuclear Holocaust while the POS strips missile defense, the F22, and decimates our nuclear capability to that of haiti has no bearing,
Not to mention we are a few years behind the old soviet union and greece financially?
Nah it is Boooosssshhhhhhhh’s fault.
marx/alinsky 101.
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/51834#more-51834
A good read. One of the reasons why we are not DOOMED!!!!! at all. The longer this election seasons go on the more it looks like 1980 all over again. barky is doing everthing in his power to please rrl types but not much else. He will get 100% of the mitch/James vote.
The rest of us? He will be lucky to get 25%. Better get used to hearing President Santorum, Paul, Gingrich, and yes, even Romney.
Bite it. 🙂
I agree 100%
More of the same at AZ GOP debate
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/02/more_of_the_same_at_az_gop_debate.html#ixzz1nFkIq7nX
I haven’t seen any viewer numbers from last night, but I will bet it was the least watched debate out of the 20 that have taken place.
Even GOP voters are tired of the nastiness, the exaggeration, the low blow, and the unwarranted attacks. At some point, the people simply tune out what they don’t like about politics and either sit out the election or vote for the other guy. Whoever wins is going to have a hard time pivoting in a believable way to a more positive message and an all out assault on Obama.
The attacks are self-defeating but are done because the few voters who tune in might be persuaded one way or another. Thankfully, this is the last time we’ll have to endure this ridiculous format.
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The longer this election seasons go on the more it looks like 1980 all over again. barky is doing everthing in his power to please rrl types
That was the point of Spook’s thread the other day – is Obama trying to lose the election? Obama has moved further left in the last year which is unconventional. Most politicians tack to the center in an election year but I think the ivory tower elite he has surrounding him are so vested in their ideology that they can see no other course.
Mitt f’ing loser: Don’t blame me for Obamneycare, it’s Arlen Spector’s fault, that means only Rick Santorum is to blame.
Mitt, you don’t deserve to hold any political office.
“Mitt, you don’t deserve to hold any political office.” I agree with you. However my main point is that whoever the GOP nominee is, that person is going to our Next president.
They could even back room deal the nomination to Jeb “You are not going to drill for oil off my coast” Bush and even he would win. Not by much mind you. He would still win.
GMB
other than listening to his constituents on drilling, Jeb was really an excellent Governor.
Neo, You have any info on his lifetime ACU rating?
As far as the oil, Whats good for goose is good for the gander right? If Florida is going to go NIMBY on oil, well engoy the 6$ a gallon.
Well don’t sugar coat it doug, tell us how you really feel.
doug
I do not like mittens either, but I will vote for him to beat the marxist, muslin, usurping wrecking ball POS we are stuck with now.
Bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha
James February 23, 2012 at 5:14 pm #
Have a nice day, it’s a wonderful day here in Durham, NC
WHEN I ask you WHEN has “james” EVER mentioned where he was from….LOL LOL a childish red herring attempt to throw off the scent from Houston TX
LOL X1000
bloodypDump
WHAT??? no mention of your GS fetish?