This had to go at the top…..
What is really sad it that African-American teens are murdered every day in the inner city for stupid reasons (they are unarmed, outside playing, walking home with candy and drinks, murdered for their shoes or jackets, etc. etc.), but only ONE alleged murder get the national attention from politicians, activists, liberal media and proggy bloggers.
Maybe, because the shooter is “white”. They are not interested in black on black crime. …… If they put the energy into other murders they do on this one maybe they can curb some of the inner city crime and murders. There should be rallies every day for the murders that take place across the country EVERY DAY!
It is truly pathetic.
Now have at it.
Since our leftist bloggers out there want to deflect and dodge away from the issues Americans care about and try to reshape the debate into one of social issues, here is their chance to hoist their own petard or hang themselves.
Update: Wow, no takers. With the dumbed down talking points being obAMATEUR’s stellar record, you would think that the lefty bloggers would have something to brag about…..
But, today marks one of the most remarkable statistics to come out of Washington in a long time: Today, Tuesday, March 20 2012 marks the 1,056th day since Congress passed a yearly budget for the federal government.
The fault does not lie with Congress as a whole. The President has failed to lead. Senate Republicans have tried to do the same. But after passing a budget resolution in 2009, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has refused to allow passage of a new budget in 2010, 2011, and, it appears, 2012 as well. He has refused to allow Republican budgets to the floor for debate.
“We do not need to bring a budget to the floor this year,” Reid told reporters last month, arguing that legislation setting limits on spending is sufficient. Of course we know that a budget loaded with deficit spending is not a good tactic in an election year.
“The fact is, you don’t need a budget,” agreed fellow Democrat and House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer a few weeks ago. “We can adopt appropriations bills. We can adopt authorization policies without a budget. We already have an agreed-upon cap on spending.”
In fact, the lawmakers are REQUIRED BY LAW to pass a budget each year. That’s made clear by the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. But why let the rule of law get in the way. Just like that pesky Constitution, the law does not allow Democrats to do what they want, because they feel we are too stupid to take care of ourselves.
Update…..
More on the debt:
ObAMATEUR made a grand-standing speech as a Senator calling Bush’s spending unpatriotic and attacking him for putting this debt on our children and grandchildre. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUPZJDBJI84.
At the time, Bush’s debt accumulation was $4.89 trillion for EIGHT years. This according to the obAMATEUR was “unpatriotic”. And of course, his fellow Democrats and media minions parroted these talking points, ad nauseum.
obAMATEUR’s debt accumulation has surpassed Bush’s “unpatriotic” spending in just OVER THREE YEARS. His debt, which has been saddled on our children and grandchildren, sits at $4.94 trillion and still growing PLUS obAMATEUR’s “health care” has not kicked in yet. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/
The CBO came our a few days ago stating that its cost will be DOUBLE what was originally estimated by the White House.
The country’s financial state is in dire straits. The rising deficits and more debt accumulation than any president in history are the reasons Democrats don’t want to pass a budget during an election year. This action will bring the country’s financial state into the limelight front and center and the pResident will have to answer for it, guaranteeing certain doom for his election chances.
As I said before, the LAW requires Congress to pass a budget. All the budgets are being held up by Harry Reid in the Senate. Democrats trash the law and the Constitution to save this poor excuse of a pResident.
Blogs For Victory 
It looks like the truth is finally coming out about last summer’s debt ceiling deal, and the fact that it’s the Washington Post and Politico that are leading the way doesn’t bode well for Obama.
Spook
the truth never bodes well for liars, cheats, looters, racisit, marxists.
Uboma is all the above.
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jimmah
I thought the GOP was the party of rich bankers?
seems not so eh? Uboma = rich bankers and oil sheik donations the occupy stooges wont like this.
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jimmah sosoon
well since then, the market has gone up about 300 pts.
Keep up the good work!
the year isnt over yet and neither is the financial collapse of europe so dont gloat so soon, sosoon.
PS Spook nor any other conservative wants to see the US dollar, government, or society collapse, unlike you leftist marxists.
at least we are praying for the best while preparing for the worst. You may want to try it your self.
When the DOW was over 13,000 in 2008, was that due to republican policies?
jimmah sosoon
you’re truly a little slow aren’t you?
speaking of being slow, it is worth HALF of what it was when the GOP was in control…but you dont understand advanced math like 1/2 do you?
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jimmah slo sosoon
Oct 2007 $14164.53
March 2009 $6626.94
NEXT?
neo,
Wasn’t the first budget by the new dimocrat Congress about … let’s see, about October 2007? I think I’m right here, the dimocrats won in the 2006 election then ran out the Republican budget until October 2007 when they had their first budget since 1995.
Republicans took control of the House in the 1994 election when the DJIA was around 3,800 and ran the budgets until the DJIA was over 14,000 in October 2007.
it’s been Dimocrats until January of 2012, interesting, no?
sasan
your people,
http://barenakedislam.com/
scroll down to the sudan you must be so proud
jimmah the sheik
jimmah slo sosoon
Oct 2007 $14164.53
March 2009 $6626.94
NEXT?
so you CANT refute the facts? seems you still dont understand 3rd grade math. but what would one expect from a draftsman.
count
Republicans took control of the House in the 1994 election when the DJIA was around 3,800 and ran the budgets until the DJIA was over 14,000 in October 2007.
it’s been Dimocrats until January of 2012, interesting, no?
WAY over the Camels head.
Actually Neocon each point in the DJIA is worth about $0.1325 not a one to one ratio.
Spook,
(I finally have a loner computer, sorry I missed the weekend’s conversation)
The truth is coming out about the Boehner’s deal just in time for David Corn’s book with the alternate (administration sanctioned) narrative.
Yeah, Rush is talking about that as I type. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your POV), no one will read rat-faced David Corn’s book.
count
what happened to your PC?
Hard drive ~ Pbllfft!!
Dell is sending out a new one as we speak.
a new computer or HD ?
Just the drive, the computer itself is only about a year old.
count
Im going to back up tonight havent for a bit…..and I know better…
After the “Aw $H*T!” moment comes the “Thank the Good Lord I had the great good sense to back-up this cheap piece o’Chinese junk!” moment.
You’ll be glad you did.
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Frances Fox Piven: ‘Time for Another Surge From the Bottom’
“some of us have been waiting.”
and so are some of us…..
OK will do
Hey, since this is an open thread, is pointing out that you plagiarized the previous article no longer off topic?
You can post whatever lies you want since you are too cowardly to address the previous topic.
But what else can expect from a liberal, mindless drone.
Yeah, if I were a good Conservative, I wouldn’t regurgitate other people’s words like a mindless drone, I’d steal them directly!
But fortunately you are not a conservative. Unfortunately, you are the typical mindless liberal drone, who is still cowardly dodging the subject of the thread, and posting unsubstantiated lies.
Pathetic.
It’s not like you even understand the subject. If you did, you’d have written your own material on it. So then why would I even bother responding to you? It’d be like telling a parrot that the phrases it is repeating aren’t logically sound.
Nottooswift you don’t respond because you can’t. You cannot defend the abysmal record of this amateur in the White House.
As I accurately said before, not all material on the blog is original. You just can’t face the facts nor are you intelligent enough to respond. That is the reason you latch on to some minor fragment and then wrongly claim to invalidate the whole argument.
You really go out of your way to dodge around the subject, coward. Facts are facts no matter how they are presented. You have to lie in order to protect your dainty little ego, just like Wally does. You two must have attended the same type of government school and are Inapable of responding intelligently. Wally resorts too personal attacks. You resort to your picking fly sit out of pepper tactics to dodge the whole point of the thread.
Again, respond to the topic or STFU. If, as you claim, it would be so easy to refute the facts then do so, instead of dodging the topic! If you can’t respond like many other liberals then don’t, playing these games makes you more and more foolish.
swifty, what is it about an objective intellectual belief that the United States of America is best governed by a federal government severely restricted as to size and scope that allows you to declare that people who have this belief are thieves?
You see, you constantly illustrate the shallowness and silliness of what you claim is a political position. You, and people like you, never bother to study or understand POLITICS—you simply pick a team, and from that point on all that one team does is evil, wrong and deserving of gratuitous insults and slurs, while the other can do no wrong, even if you have no clue as to why it is doing what it is doing.
It’s this silly, superficial, Identity Politics that marks so many of you Pseudo-Lefties. You can’t really be accurately called Lefties, as that would imply at least a cursory understanding of and allegiance to an actual political philosophy. No, you are just cheerleaders for your team, and just addicted to mindless attacks on the other team, about which you are even more ignorant.
“swifty, what is it about an objective intellectual belief that the United States of America is best governed by a federal government severely restricted as to size and scope that allows you to declare that people who have this belief are thieves?”
And we’re back to lying about things I’ve said.
“You see, you constantly illustrate the shallowness and silliness of what you claim is a political position. You, and people like you, never bother to study or understand POLITICS—you simply pick a team, and from that point on all that one team does is evil, wrong and deserving of gratuitous insults and slurs, while the other can do no wrong, even if you have no clue as to why it is doing what it is doing.
It’s this silly, superficial, Identity Politics that marks so many of you Pseudo-Lefties. You can’t really be accurately called Lefties, as that would imply at least a cursory understanding of and allegiance to an actual political philosophy. No, you are just cheerleaders for your team, and just addicted to mindless attacks on the other team, about which you are even more ignorant.”
Oh man, why did I bother reading one of your posts again. Did you copy/paste this, or did you actually bother to type up the same thing you type in every post?
More off topic and repeated nonsense. Complains about everything and avoids the topic. //Moderator
Deleted post. Off topic, rehashes the same, waste of bandwidth. //Moderator
swifty:
Yeah, if I were a good Conservative, I wouldn’t regurgitate other people’s words like a mindless drone, I’d steal them directly! Jonathan Swift March 21, 2012 at 8:34 pm
This is clearly a statement that in your mind conservatives steal, or at least good conservatives steal.
So why do you come back whimpering that I misquoted you? Are you saying that what I said does not accurately reflect the meaning of the above statement? Or are you trying to weasel out of it with a whine that I did not use your exact words? Did the transition from the verb—steal—to the noun describing people who steal—-thieves—confuse you?
That’s OK. It’s pretty much what we expect of you. So let’s go back over that, OK?
You said …if I were a good Conservative, I wouldn’t regurgitate other people’s words like a mindless drone, I’d steal them directly! ”
And in response I said “swifty, what is it about an objective intellectual belief that the United States of America is best governed by a federal government severely restricted as to size and scope that allows you to declare that people who have this belief are thieves?”
See, I took what you said—-“good Conservative”—-and instead of just using your own words, which I already knew are meaningless to you, I used a description of a “good Conservative”. That is, someone with “…an objective intellectual belief that the United States of America is best governed by a federal government severely restricted as to size and scope. ”
Is this where you got so befuddled? Yeah, I can see how that could happen, you being so definition-phobic when it comes to actual, real, politics and all.
Then I took the rest of your silly comment, about stealing, and used a different form of it, just to make it more interesting. Because let’s face it, your post was pretty dull.
And you call this “lying”. Thanks for the peek into the mixmaster that is your brain, swifty.
I notice that you did not answer the question. You, yourself, linked a political system with being thieves. You said it. What I asked was, what about this political system YOU referenced—-and I did a quick over view of the system, as you so obviously have no clue what it is—-leads you to claim that people who believe in it are thieves.
(Steal—something done by thieves.)
All you could do was try, try oh so hard, to come up with a pseudo answer, which was really just an admission that you CAN’T link a political system to a penchant for theft because that would mean understanding the system.
As well as, in this case, admitting that you are full of excrement including but not limited to the mental variety.
You are so easy, I should be a little ashamed of luring you into these brain farts you seem to think are posts.
But thanks for reprinting my words. The more times you and your kind are described so accurately, the better.
I actually gave a further explanation, but tiredoflibbs is having fun deleting my posts, so sorry you didn’t get to see it.
Nottooswift: “I actually gave a further explanation, but tiredoflibbs is having fun deleting my posts, so sorry you didn’t get to see it.”
It is not my fault that you can’t follow the rules of the blog and are too cowardly to comment on the topic. Instead, you chose to repeat (like a parrot) the same nattering crap as before. I gave you chance after chance. You chose not to one or two posts of the same nonsense was enough. We did not need to read the same crap over and over.
BTW, your explanation was the same “picking fly shit out of pepper” tactic as before – nothing new. If you don’t want your repetitive posts deleted, stop dodging, grow a set and respond. Otherwise, don’t respond and reveal yourself to be the fool.
It’d be like telling a parrot that the phrases it is repeating aren’t logically sound.
Or, to be more relevant to the blog, like telling you that your verbiose multisyllabic blather about ‘game theory’ isn’t a political philosophy.
“In fact, the lawmakers are REQUIRED BY LAW to pass a budget each year. ”
False.
Congress is required to bring a budget resolution to the floor each year.
On the matter of Congress and the Budget, this from PolitiFact from 13 June 2010:
“First, a little background. The budget process used by Congress today was set forth in the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. Both the Senate and the House are supposed to pass resolutions in the spring that outline the framework for future bills that address spending, taxation and other fiscal policy items. This budget represents a plan for allocating revenues and expenditures for the coming fiscal year, as well as for the next four fiscal years in more general terms. Each chamber is supposed to pass a version of the resolution, and if the two versions differ, then the chambers jointly hammer out a compromise and pass it.
The budget process is distinct from the series of appropriations, or spending, bills that actually allocate money for specific purposes. Unlike the appropriations bills, the budget resolution doesn’t carry the force of law. In fact, unlike a law, the budget resolution is not signed by the president after it passes both chambers. If a budget resolution does not pass, the majority can still use parliamentary procedures to proceed to appropriations bills, but the inability to pass the budget framework can reflect poorly on the majority’s organizational skills and/or the degree of partisan discord in Congress. It also increases the likelihood of a logjam of appropriations bills in the fall and winter and decreases the chance that controversial tax bills will pass the Senate.
That’s why the expected failure of the Democratic House majority to pass a budget for fiscal year 2011 has become a talking point for Republicans.
According to the Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan research arm of Congress, the House has indeed passed a budget every year since the Congressional Budget Act first took effect for fiscal year 1976. So if the House does not pass a budget for fiscal year 2011, it will be the first time since the current rules went into force.
However, we should also note that the House has not always been joined by the Senate in passing a budget — a factor that explains the difference between what Boehner and Hoyer said.
Since 1983 — the first year the House and Senate stopped passing two budget resolutions annually and began passing one per year — the two chambers failed to pass a joint budget bill on four occasions. For fiscal year 2003, the Senate, then under Democratic control, failed to pass a budget resolution of any kind, and on three other occasions (fiscal years 1999, 2005 and 2007) the House and Senate failed to reconcile their different bills and pass a compromise measure.
Because Congress always works on the budget resolution for the coming fiscal year, the Republican Congressional majority failed to pass a finished budget in three years: 1998, 2004 and 2006.
So Boehner is correct that the House has always passed a budget resolution, even though on three occasions, it later failed to work out differences with the Senate and pass a final, identical version, and once the Senate, under Democratic control, had no budget resolution. We’ll note that caveat, but we don’t think his failure to mention that point undermines the accuracy of his statement. So we rate Boehner’s statement True.”
Sorry, Robin but “lawmakers” also include the President, who also has not submitted annual budgets.
The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 did not repeal this specified duty.
The process of creating the budget for the United States government is known as the budget process. The framework used by Congress to formulate the budget was established by the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974, and by other budget legislation.
Prior to 1974, Congress had no formal process for establishing a coherent budget. When newly-elected President Richard Nixon began to refuse to spend funds that the Congress had allocated, Congress needed a more formal means by which to challenge him. The Congressional Budget Act created the Congressional Budget Office and directed more control of the budget to CBO and away from the President’s Office of Management and the Budget. The Act passed easily as the administration was embroiled in the Watergate scandal and unwilling to provoke Congress.
The President, according to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, must submit a budget to Congress each year. In its current form, federal budget legislation law (31 U.S.C. 1105(a)) specifies that the President submit a budget between the first Monday in January and the first Monday in February. In recent times, the President’s budget submission, entitled Budget of the U.S. Government, has been issued in the first week of February. Thus, President George W. Bush submitted the FY2007 budget in February 2006. The President’s budget submission, along with supporting documents and historical budget data, can be found at the Office of Management and Budget’s (OMB) website. The President’s budget contains detailed information on spending and revenue proposals, along with policy proposals and initiatives with significant budgetary implications.
Each year in March, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) publishes an analysis of the President’s budget proposals. CBO budget report and other publications can be found at the CBO’s website. CBO computes a current law baseline budget projection that is intended to estimate what federal spending and revenues would be in the absence of new legislation for the current fiscal year and for the coming 10 fiscal years. The current CBO 10 year budget baseline projection grows from $3.7 trillion in 2011 to $5.7 trillion in 2021.
The House and Senate Budget Committees begin consideration of the President’s budget proposals in February and March. Other committees with budgetary responsibilities submit requests and estimates to the Budget committees during this time. The Budget committees each submit a budget resolution by April 1. The House and Senate each consider those budget resolutions and are expected to pass them, possibly with amendments, by April 15. Budget resolutions specify funding levels for appropriations committees and subcommittees.
Appropriations committees, starting with allocations in the budget resolution, put together appropriations bills, which may be considered in the House after May 15. Once appropriations committees pass their bills, they are considered by the House and Senate. A conference committee is typically required to resolve differences between House and Senate bills. Once a conference bill has passed both chambers of Congress, it is sent to the President, who may sign the bill or veto. If he signs, the bill becomes law. Otherwise, Congress must pass another bill to avoid a shutdown of at least part of the federal government.
Senator Harry Reid is holding up all GOP budgets from the House. He won’t even allow debate for purely political reasons. obAMATEUR has not submitted yearly budgets as well. So the statement “lawmakers are required to pass a yearly budget” is TRUE. Harry Reid and/or the pResident are not doing their jobs in either case.
“Sorry, Robin but “lawmakers” also include the President, who also has not submitted annual budgets.”
Not true. You will find his budgets for each year here:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collectionGPO.action?collectionCode=BUDGET
I was not aware of this site. Thanks for the link.
It would be more helpful if the pResident would lead and push for his budgets, but he’d rather play politics and pander to his interests. I do know that one of his budgets voted in the Democrat controlled Senate (that Reid let through), one was unanimously voted down (For 0- Against 99). Regardless of that, Reid in the Senate and Hoyer in the House have no interest in advancing any budgets which brings theirs’ and the pResident’s pitiful financial record out in the open for debate during an election year.
Does anyone have a comment on the Trayvon Martin case?
Nah, no comment at all on the trumped-up racism act put on by the Left. Why should there be. It’s just Same Old Same Old, the tiresome racism of the Left where nothing matters but skin color and the opportunity to use events to create hatred and divisiveness among the ignorant.
Where you been? Polishing basketball floors? How’s Granny? (Just curious—do ALL forkers have odd middle names in honor of old grannies?)
Robin,
The Trayvon case is unfortunate. Now, could you please comment on why this story isn’t in the media?
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/05/3471164/police-investigate-burning-of.html
Clearly, the case in KC is a hate crime. It is yet to be determined if the Florida case is or not.
I agree major – but what I don’t like is the media playing up the Trayvon case for all the obvious reasons, and ignoring this one.
The determination to make this a “hate” crime (as opposed to all the love crimes out there) is shown by the NYT invention of a new race—the “white Hispanic”.
This allows them to keep fanning the flames of irrational race-baiting against whites, by moving Mr. Zimmerman from the Hispanic category over into white territory. And Shazaam! we now have a WHITE man killing a BLACK man.
But, funniest thing, there is still not a hint of racism in the actual killing. Sure, the race-baiters can claim that for some reason it was race alone that caught Zimmerman’s attention in a neighborhood that is about 25% black, and they can even claim that it was racism that caused Zimmerman to stop Martin and talk to him, but by the time any actual shooting took place Zimmerman was on his back, yelling for help, while Martin knelt on him, hitting him in the face.
So now the race-baiters have to claim that the only reason Zimmerman didn’t just lie there and be beaten to a pulp was because the beater was black.
Go for it, Lefty and Pseudo-Lefty racists.
I’ve been hesitant to weigh in on the Trayvon Martin case because much of the available information is conflicting. My first inclination is to let law enforcement and the judicial system sort out the facts, such as can be determined, considering one of the two parties can no longer answer for himself. The media has, IMO, been extremely irresponsible, negligent and partisan in its reporting. The only aspect of this tragic event that appears to be certain so far is that either party could have avoided it.
Some things I’d like to see definitive answers to before forming an opinion are:
1. I’ve seen reports that Zimmerman was much larger than Martin, but I’ve also see reports that Zimmerman is 5’2″ and Martin was 6’3″ and a football player.
2. The media has published several photos of Martin as a 12-year-old. Why? He was 17.
3. It’s been reported that the site of the altercation was not on Martin’s way from the store to his father’s house. It’s also been reported that his hood was up because it was raining. Why would he take a long way home in the rain?
4. It’s been reported that Zimmerman had several defensive wounds. Did Martin also have defensive wounds? I’ve heard the 911 call from the neighbor. You can hear someone repeatedly calling for help in the background. Was it Zimmerman or Martin?
There are still lots of unanswered questions.
Regarding Trayvon Martin, several facts seem indisputable: 1.) he was minding his own business; 2.) he was breaking no laws; and 3.) he was confronted by Zimmerman. What I’ve seen nobody address yet is that by all available evidence Trayvon Martin “stood his ground,” as was his right under Florida law, and was shot and killed for it.
Zimmerman claims self-defense, but he initiated the confrontation. If he ended on the ground with a bloody nose why is it unreasonable to believe Martin wasn’t acting in his own perceived self-defense, and just happened to be the better fighter? Zimmerman seems to have been unprepared for that. Even though he was armed, it’s doubtful to me that he intended to kill anyone. I would not call it murder, but it appears to be reckless homicide. He ignored police instructions to stay put, bit off more than he could chew, then panicked and killed someone.
Spook is correct that we don’t know their relative sizes. However if Martin was bigger than Zimmerman, it makes Zimmerman even more culpable for risking a fight. If Martin was smaller, Zimmerman might reasonably believe he’d not have to use the gun; however if Martin was his own size or bigger, then Zimmerman should have known the gun might become a recourse if the confrontation turned physical.
All these fine folks at B4V who believed in standing up to bullies a few days ago seem a whole lot more ambivalent about that concept now. The fact that Trayvon Martin “stood his ground” first and without using lethal force seems to earn zero respect for him, while Zimmerman gets cut all the slack for killing someone after initiating a completely unnecessary confrontation.
As for the crime in Kansas City, Cluster, I hear nobody defending the perpetrators. Moreover it did not result in loss of life, so why would it be expected to get the same media attention? The relative indifference here and on the prior thread to the loss of Martin’s life once again puts the lie to the “pro-life” pretensions of the right. There’s no comprehensive reverence for life on this blog, just political posturing with words.
All these fine folks at B4V who believed in standing up to bullies a few days ago seem a whole lot more ambivalent about that concept now – dennis
Typical liberal pap. I have commented on this primarily because I DON’T KNOW THE FACTS, and either do you, but that doesn’t stop you from judging the situation and others response to it. Typical liberal BS.
Now re: Kansas City – Do you remember Tawanna Brawley? That seemed to prominently be in the media and actually turned out to be hoax. I even remember Al Sharpton brought it to the forefront as an example of extreme racism. Care to respond?
That meant to read – I have NOT commented on this
There’s no comprehensive reverence for life on this blog, just political posturing with words. – dennis
So in your distorted mind, are all pro lifers suppose to wail over every loss of life?
Spook
Was it Zimmerman or Martin?
according to an EYEWITNESS it was zimmerman screaming for help while he was on his back on the ground being pummeled.
When martin did not cease the attack after zimmerman stopped fighting led to his being legally shot.
NO ONE has to be endure being defeated and continue to be beaten and pummeled.
There is absolutely no evidence that Zimmerman did anything but ask Martin who he was or what he was doing. There is absolutely no evidence that Martin was obviously “minding his own business”. There is absolutely no evidence that Martin “stood his own ground” as the law does not allow you to throw someone on the ground, hold him down and pound on him just because you don’t think he had a right to ask you a question.
And it is an outright lie to claim that Martin was “shot and killed” for, as dennis put it, “standing his own ground”. He was on top of a man, punching him in the face, while the man was yelling for help, and for THAT he was shot and killed.
Yeah, hindsight suggests that Zimmerman would have been smarter to sit back and not approach the guy. But gee, isn’t that awfully racist? How would you put that in a memo to Neighborhood Watch? “When you see someone who does not appear to belong in the neighborhood, you should ask the person what he is doing there, unless the person is a black male, because in this case you ought to expect to be assaulted.” Sounds like profiling to me.
dennis seems to be saying Zimmerman was asking to be assaulted by questioning a black man. And he seems to be saying that somehow he just knows that Martin would have stopped short of using “lethal force” after some undetermined amount of beating on a man lying on his back begging for help. What makes you so sure, dennis? He was forcibly stopped before he got to the point where his beating on the man on ground became “lethal force”. Just how can a person being beaten know that the assailant is going to stop before he reaches “lethal force” levels of assault?
neo, did the boy in Kansas die after being set on fire? dennis seems to be saying “no harm no foul” if the kid survived being turned into a human torch for the sin of being white.
Good to know that being covered in burns is not that big a deal. Good to know that an overtly racial attack is not so bad if the victim manages to survive, but that a situation in which a black man is killed is automatically racist.
You Lefties need to print up a chart or something so we normal people can keep track of what is and is not “racist” and therefore awful.
And while you’re at it, make one on race itself, because your convoluted distortions are really getting confusing. Hallie Berry is black, she said so when she gushed about the miracle of a drop-dead gorgeous and talented woman being given an award in spite of having a black father she never knew. Barack Obama is black, we know so because he is the “first black president” and no one can comment on anything he ever says, does, represents or supports for any reason other than that he is so black, in spite of HIS white mother. But a man who is half white and half Hispanic is not Mexican, or whatever the origin of his Latin heritage. No, if he is involved in killing a black man then he is WHITE.
There are unanswred questions. Ones which will take time for the police to find answers. They don’t have an actual eyewitness to verify either story, so they have to go with the evidence at hand, and they must go by what the law says.
To call for Zimmerman’s head because of the deceased’s race is the work of the usual race-baiters and con artists. This only makes things more ugly and will result in violence by those who demand ‘justice’.
There are those who immediately called Zimmerman a ‘cracker’ and ‘bubba’ because of their desire to go with their own bigotry and not look at the facts. Florida is now considered a hotbed of racism, even though there is no evidence of this. Holder’s DOJ wants to prosecute Zimmerman before the police can complete an investigation, and that is far more to be fearful of: Washington deciding that they are going to punish someone before the case even gets to a jury.
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Mostly Cajun, All American and Opinionated
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Today in History – March 22
1765 – The Parliament of Great Britain passes the Stamp Act, which introduced a tax to be levied directly on its American colonies forcing them to pay for government services they were forced to have. Forcing you to pay for government services you didn’t ask for… who did they think they were, Obama and his clown congress? Taxation without representation is bad. It’s worse with the ‘representation’ we’ve got.
IIRC, that didn’t turn out to well for the British in the long run.
BTW, great web site for some differing views on things.
http://mostlycajun.com/wordpress/
I heard Zimmerman described today on the news as a “white” hispanic! Can it be any more transparent? What say you denny?
Cluster, I haven’t addressed the color of anyone nor do I view this as a racial crime. That’s somebody else’s issue.
The primary issues I addressed were that Martin seems to have been within his rights under Florida’s “Stand your ground” law, moreover he did not use lethal force to defend himself. By contrast, Zimmerman initiated an unnecessary confrontation and used lethal force. There is no moral or practical equivalency between these circumstances. Martin was killed, yet Zimmerman is cut all the slack here.
nazbitt greenteeth
CARE to comment on the TWO seventeen yo black “kids” on trial in Fla for FIRST degree murder as we speak?
ONE for MURDERING a cop
ONE for MURDERING TWO british vacationers?
OR
the TEN MURDERED and FORTY shot in Uboma land in the last week?
OR
The brutal RACIST attack by a MOB of blacks pouring gasoline on a 13 yo KID and lighting him on fire????
By contrast, Zimmerman initiated an unnecessary confrontation and used lethal force. – dennis
You couldn’t possibly know that.
Martin was killed, yet Zimmerman is cut all the slack here. – dennis
No he’s not. We’re are just refraining from commenting until the facts are known – something that hyper sensitive liberals ignore.
And the only reason why this you and other liberals are commenting on this is because of Martin’s race. Period. It’s very transparent. That is unless I start seeing you stand up for all victims of violence on a regular basis regardless of race – something of which you have never done.
the TRUTH is a bmitch…….
“Neighborhood Watch Shooting: Key Witness “John” Speaks Out
Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman punching him when he was shot! Media has known since Feb. 27th
The following video and its transcript contain the statements by “John” who is a witness to the Neighborhood Watch Shooting. “John” has stated that Trayvon Martin was on top of and beating the Neighborhood Watchman, George Zimmerman. Trayvon was wearing a “hoodie” that evening and Zimmerman was wearing a red sweater.
The liberal media has literally shown pictures of Trayvon as a twelve year old boy as if those pictures were recent. Trayvon was 17 years old and a member of the high school football team.
Internet Blogs are stating that Trayvon was six foot three inches tall and George Zimmerman was five feet two. Earlier reports by the liberal media gave the impression that Trayvon was much smaller than Zimmerman, stating that Zimmerman outweighed Trayvon by 110 lbs and that Trayvon only weighed 140lbs, which seems impossible if he stood six foot three and was on the football team.
Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation: MyFoxORLANDO.com
Below is a transcript of the Fox News interview of the witness “John” by reporter Keith Landry.
Narration: Sanford police (are) still trying to figure out exactly what happened in this spot here last night. We talked to a man who didn’t want to be shown on camera, who witnessed part of the attack right here then went upstairs to his window and witnessed the rest of it after he called 911.
Reporter: “What are you thinking now about all this?”
Narration: This afternoon I talked to “John” through his front door about what he saw last night during a fight that turned into a deadly shooting.
John: “The guy on the bottom (Zimmerman) who I believe had a red sweater on was yelling to me ‘help, help’. I told him (Trayvon) to stop (beating Zimmerman) and called 911.
Narration: John locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.
John: And then when I got upstairs and looked down, the person (Trayvon), who was on top, beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass and I believe he was dead at that point.”
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dennis stooge….ONCE AGAIN
a GATED……..POSTED……..COMMUNITY……….CRIME WATCH CAPTAIN……….had EVERY RIGHT to confront a suspected TRESPASSER ….and inquire if they had LEGAL….authority to be on the premisis.
Once there was a physical altercation it should have ended when
one man capitulated, judging from witnesses and zimmermans screams for help the beating continued at that point zimmerman feared for his life and used deadly force.
an simple case until the race baiters, hustlers and black racsists started a lynching for political purposes…remember twana bradley? duke lacrosse? Jena texas? on and on……..
a RED HERRING….POLITICAL LYNCHING to help the kenyan Uboma.
je$$e? unSharpton?
ST. PETERSBURG —
Eleven students at Azalea Middle School were charged in a series of brawls that occurred on campus about the same time Tuesday afternoon.
In the fights, one police officer was struck by a student, and an officer had to use pepper spray on two students, the St. Petersburg Police Department said.
One student who faces charges of battery on a law enforcement officer fled the campus and is still being sought, said Mike Puetz, a police spokesman.
PS
they werent Canadians…….
neocon i’ve said it once and I’ve said it a million times, crime is a human frailty not a racial one.
Then why do those on the Left insist on inserting race into everything? It has gotten so blatant that a blogger here suggested that a Chevy Volt ad could say “Because if you want to go more than 40 miles you’re a racist”——and it didn’t really sound that odd.
Racist tripe deleted. //Moderator
Neocon you do realize there was just a school shooting in Ohio where students were murdered by a lone gunman? How can anyone take a middle school brawl more seriously than murder simply because of race?
And Cluster Zimmerman no matter what his race did initiate the confrontation after being told by the 911 dispatcher not to follow Martin. He could have simply waited for the cops that were on their way.
And neocon the only places I can find the article you quoted were stormfront.org, davidduke.com and whitecivilrights.com. “John” needs to take his story to the police who are really at fault for the aftermath not the media in Orlando. I think if this had been a black homeowner in the Buckhead section of Atlanta that shot a white teen this would be a very different story both in media attention and in the outcome for the shooter.
Yeah, “Robin”, you go right ahead and project your own racism onto this sad situation. You go right ahead and invent apocryphal stories that fit into your own personal world view. You go right ahead and condemn a man you don’t know, who was in a situation you don’t understand, and you go right ahead smearing your own race-based bigotry on him.
You don’t know whether or not this witness has spoken to the police. You don’t know a single thing about this except a black person was shot and killed by a man who has been redefined as “white” to make it easier for you race-baiters to fit him into your narrative.
You are carrion eaters, wallowing in tragedy, and you disgust me. There is not a word from any of you about the terror Zimmerman felt, pinned to the ground by a stranger, being beaten, calling for help, not knowing if this violent attacker was armed, if he was going to pull a knife or a gun, if he was going to beat him to death. Nah—–not your style. You are too selective about the recipients of your sanctimonious empathy, and a “white” man with a gun just don’t qualify, do he?
Amazona you are missing some facts. Zimmerman is KNOWN to have followed Trayvon and called 911 while doing so when he lost him. During the call he saw him again and as he gave chase the dispatcher told him to STIOP FOLLOWING THE SUSPICIOUS PERSON. Zimmerman engaged Martin after this and that is why he’s in legal trouble. it is NOT the job of a neighborhood watch to detain anyone. Asking questions sure but he didn’t call 911 unless he thought Martin was a threat which means since he is not a LEO he was supposed to back off.
there’s nothing apocryphal there Amazona. Neocon quoted white supremacist cites instead of quoting FOX Orlando which has a different wording. Curious.
To sum up the attitude of the “Robins” of the Left, if Zimmerman got beaten into a bloody pulp, well, HE ASKED FOR IT. How dare he ask a black man a question? What the hell did he THINK would happen? No sympathy for Zimmerman, no sirree.
But a man who threw another man to the ground and pinned him there, beating him in the face with his fists, had absolutely no responsibility for what happened to him.
What’s the difference? Skin color. The white guy asked for whatever he got, the black guy was an innocent victim of racism.
You guys are so predictable, so transparent, and so disgusting. All this time you are piously pretending you give a damn about Trayvon Martin, but all you really care about is another chance to heap your steaming mental excrement on a white man who had a gun.
It was your black man killing a white man in Buckhead fantasy that was apocryphal, “Robin”. Do try to keep up.
There is no evidence that Martin was “detained”. You guys keep adding more and more inventions to try to shore up your determination to dance on this poor guy’s grave, using his death to promote your own vile bigotry. You just keep inventing new rules to justify your ongoing attacks.
Yes, a dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for cops. He was not instructed by a law enforcement officer to do anything. Dispatchers have a set list of things they tell people: Don’t go back into the burning house, don’t approach a scary-looking guy, don’t go in your house if the door is open when you get home, and so on. It’s advice.
The point is, you are completely ignorant of any of the details of this tragic incident, so you keep inventing details that allow you to feed your bigotry and justify your attacks.
You admit that Neighborhood Watch people can ask questions. You have absolutely no proof that Zimmerman did anything BUT ask a question. There is no proof he touched Martin or tried to detain him. Certainly there is nothing to indicate that he assaulted him in any way. But HE was assaulted, thrown to the ground, pinned to the ground, and beaten, while calling for help.
And you dare call HIM the aggressor! At any time after Zimmerman hit the ground Martin could have left the scene. He was on the football team, he could probably outrun chubby fireplug Zimmerman even if Zimmerman did get up and try to chase him, but he was into the punching thing. And it turned out he was punching out an armed man.
Ya gotta hate it when that happens, right, Trayvon?
Sorry, but in a Neighborhood Watch area it is common for strangers to be approached by the person on duty, or by anyone for that matter, to be asked why he is where he is. This is not a “confrontation”.
Neighborhood Watch people approach strangers all the time, without being assaulted, thrown to the ground, and pummeled. When this does happen, it appears that the “confrontation” was initiated by the aggressor, or, if you prefer, the pummeler. The pounder. The beater. The striker. The assailant. Martin.
Yes, Zimmerman could have waited for the cops. Yes, Martin could have responded civilly and without violence. Yes, Zimmerman could have passively allowed Martin to continue beating him without responding. Yes, Martin could have simply thrown Zimmerman to the ground and then walked away.
What you people are saying is that being asked a question does excuse battery, but shooting someone who is beating on you is not excusable. And this makes no sense at all.
There is absolutely no indication that Zimmerman did anything but ask Martin why he was where he was. Big whoop.
There is absolutely no indication that Zimmerman’s concern was prompted by race. The neighborhood is about 25% black, so simply being a black man in that area would not seem out of place.
As I have said, situational awareness demands attention to what IS out of place. A young man, in the rain, hood pulled up over his head, in a neighborhood where he had not been seen before, at night, is certainly the kind of thing that would, and should, attract attention from a Neighborhood Watch person. And the person did the right thing in calling in the situation. We don’t know why he approached Martin, but it is unreasonable and vicious to assume he did not feel he had a legitimate reason to do so.
This man killed a man, at close quarters. Trained and seasoned law enforcement officers who kill in the line of duty suffer from the emotional trauma of doing so. Trained soldiers in war experience severe emotional damage from killing people. This is a young man who was first viciously attacked, was then lying on the ground with a stranger on top of him beating him in the face while he—-Zimmerman—pleaded for someone to help him, and then in desperation shot his attacker. This alone is enough to traumatize anyone.
But on top of this he has to deal with the most vicious of the vicious, with comments like I saw here about wanting to kill him and then bring him back so he could be killed again. He is the target of the most malicious, spiteful, vile attacks imaginable, from people who have no idea of what happened but who just can’t wait to get on the race-baiting bandwagon, to ghoulishly revel in the situation, to exhibit their own bloodthirstiness while attributing it to him without any more justification than it just feels good.
The killing was a tragedy, one of those Unintended Consequences of doing what seems right at the time, checking out a stranger in the neighborhood and finding the simple act escalating into terror, danger and then into an irreversible act that Zimmerman will have to live with the rest of his life.
It takes the rabid Left to make it into a bloody circus, to haul out the cameras and Sharpton, to sharpen the knives and go for the kill, to wallow in the meanest of human emotions and try to use this tragedy to further personal or political agendas.
Shame on you.
what’s with the fake email and name, James? //Moderator
Oh, “Nima”, get a grip.
A 17-year-old male with a rap sheet is not a “child”. Aren’t you smart enough to realize the emotional manipulation inherent in posting a five-year-old photo of Martin?
Could it not be that there was a struggle because Zimmerman was pursuing the child against the recommendation of the dispatcher?
Sure it “could be”. And it “could be” any of dozens of other fantasies concocted by the Left to try to paint Zimmerman as just another white oppressor of blacks. But what “could be” is irrelevant. There is no evidence that Zimmerman touched Martin, “detained” Martin, or in any way did anything other than possibly make him nervous by following him.
You know what COULD BE? It COULD BE that if Martin had just said “Hey, man, I’m lost. I’m visiting my dad at 111 Elm Street and got turned around—how do I get there?” Zimmerman would have recognized the name, and given the guy a ride.
Please don’t further embarrass yourself by repeating the lies that Zimmerman was bigger than Martin, etc.
There is NO indication that Martin attacked him.
Uh, yeah, there is. It’s kind of an indication when Zimmerman had a bloody face and a wet back from being thrown to the ground and beaten, and it’s kind of an indication that this is confirmed by an eyewitness. Who was there. Let me repeat that. WHO WAS THERE
There is indication however that Zimmerman FOLLOWED Martin without cause and had absolutely no reason to think Martin was out of place…
Really? I guess if all you pay attention to is skin color, this might make sense to you. But if you have had some training in situational awareness, as most Neighborhood Watch people have had, you know that demeanor is the biggest tipoff to someone being up to no good. Being really young in a neighborhood of older people, being dressed a certain way in an area where people don’t dress like that, walking a certain way, appearing to scope out the territory, having lots of tattoos (especially gang tattoos), all contribute to situation awareness. These are not automatically bad, but they are signals that this person doesn’t belong here. And that is what Neighborhood Watch is looking for—–what is out of the ordinary.
And what I SAID was that Zimmerman would not have followed the guy JUST BECAUSE of his skin color, because about a quarter of the residents are black. I don’t know what got his attention, but it got the attention of several other people, because there were several calls made about a stranger acting in a way that alarmed them.
So being a black man is not out of place…but Zimmerman’s 911 call says “these assholes always get away”…he found it weird that a kid would wear a hoodie while it was raining? If being black was not out of place…why did he feel the need to follow a kid with skittles and an ice tea?
This whole paragraph is just plain stupid. How would Zimmerman know the young man had Skittles in his pocket? How would he know he had iced tea? You Lefty Lemmings just regurgitate the crap you are fed, and it is always very clear, when the same nonsense comes up over and over again. “Child” “Skittle” “100 pound heavier” Here’s a hint: If it gets fed to you, and you swallow it, and it shows up again, it’s in only one of two forms. And while both are staples of PL posts, neither is very nice.
Do you seriously believe in the stuff you write? A black kid walking with a hoodie in the rain in a neighborhood where 25% are black….is out of place??? Really? If it was dark, how could Zimmerman have known if he had seen him before or not?
Again, dumb as dirt. If you insist on treating us to one of your hyper-emotional rants, at least try to factor in some of the post you are supposedly responding to. Such as the comments on things that attract attention other than RACE.
Again, you ASSUME he was attacked. You ASSUME he yelled help when neighbors say it was the CHILD yelling for help. Where do you get this stuff from?
Unlike you, from an eyewitness. Who said it was Martin yelling for help? Why would he? He had no wounds other than the bullet wound. He had no signs of being beaten. Zimmerman was on the ground, UNDER Martin, being punched in the face. The neighbor did not tell the guy in the red sweater to stop an attack, he told the guy in the hoodie.
And drop this CHILD crap. Martin was a man, with a criminal past that we won’t get to hear much about because he was a juvenile, had been kicked out of school, and by some accounts was a foot taller than Zimmerman and an athlete.
.Zimmerman BROKE his own manual…pursued someone, with a gun and KILLED HIM!
Zimmerman ignored the guidelines in a civilian manual, he followed someone who struck him (and others) as being suspicious, he got attacked, he got thrown to the ground, he got pinned to the ground, he got beaten in the head and face, and THEN he pulled out his gun and defended himself.
You shrill hysterics can rewrite this all you want, you can paint Martin as a fresh-faced innocent, a CHILD, lost in the rain, so sad, scared, so scared, SO SCARED, when a mean old WHITE MAN followed him and talked to him, and then when the WHITE MAN attacked him Martin somehow fell on top of him and was just trying to push himself off his attacker, not hitting him at all, just being a sad scared CHILD, when he was MURDERED !!!!!!!
Oh, boo freaking hoo.
Two people made bad decisions, which led to a situation in which one man was attacked and another killed. It should not have happened. It is sad, it is a tragedy, and we should examine the FACTS and learn from it.
What is disgusting is the Liberals dancing on Martin’s grave because he has given them a CAUSE, an excuse to dig up that rotten old corpse of alleged racism that they loved so much, and trot it out again.
Stupid racist rant deleted. //Moderator
No Amazona that is not it at all. My point is Zimmerman SHOULD HAVE STOPPED period. had he done that we would never have heard of him and Trayvon martin would not have been murdered by a man who usurped the authority of Law Enforcement. Martin stood his ground and Zimmerman responded with extreme prejudice.
Martin was not murdered. You people really have to rein in this lying thing.
Zimmerman did not “usurp the authority of Law Enforcement”. Back to that cutting back on the lying thing.
Martin “stood his ground”? Really? So you now describe responding to a question with violence merely “standing his ground”? Now you’re just being stupid. Maybe just once you ought to look up the law and find out that you don’t get to beat the crap out of somebody because you don’t like it that he asked you a question.
“Zimmerman responded with extreme prejudice.” Responded to what? Well, Zimmerman responded to fearing that his life was in danger, as he was suddenly attacked and beaten by a stranger who seemed intent on continuing the beating, as he didn’t stop after a third party told him to. And you know what? There is not one iota of evidence that Zimmerman INTENDED TO KILL Martin. He just fired, in the midst of being beaten, and certainly had no time to ponder, take aim, or make a plan beyond stopping his attacker before he got killed himself.
Wow—one short paragraph, four lies and an opinion of yours about what someone else should have done.
More fake emails/names from James. //Moderator
rubin green teeth
back at ya……..”Im Travon, Im staying wit my daddy XYZ at condo XXX, Ill be here for a week”.
It was tra von’s duty to identify himself as being on gated, posted, private property legally.
END of STORY
But in the end Neocon I do understand your fear.
“Robin”, you are so full of it. I often dislike rabid Lefties, but in this thread I find myself despising you and your vicious dishonesty.
Now you are shifting gears and trying out yet another old Lefty tactic, of trying to smear someone else. You really have no shame. You lie and lie and lie and lie, and then you try to pretend that an honest evaluation of a situation which does NOT include vicious racism is really just, you guessed it, FEAR.
The only one acting cowardly is you, James. //Moderator
I knew “Nima” was a fake, but was glad to take advantage of another litany of Lefty lies and hysteria. So this is “James” trying to weasel back in under yet another name?
I guess when you have been shunned and rejected your whole life, even publicly humiliated when even the campus skank dumps you and does it by humping someone you pathetically still thought of as your “best friend” in public, you don’t have much self esteem, so having to slink back here under assumed names must just be more of the same old same old, eh, Sasan?
Remember when he said that making more money makes him better than other people? Ah, good times…….
rubin noteethgreen
But in the end Neocon I do understand your fear.
ROTFLMAO……….. 🙂 🙂 🙂
alinsky 101…..Bzzzzztttttttttt LOL LOL
I would have to score this one as – game, set, match Amazona Congrats
100 to 0 goes to Ama.
easy when the TRUTH present.
Between the Christian Science Monitor and Kansas City Star a little clearer picture of Trayvon Martin emerges.
He was 17 but looked younger, not older. Apparently the pictures are current. He was 6′ 3″ and weighed 140 pounds. That’s fragile. His nicknames were “Slimm” and “Tray”. He wanted to be an engineer, to work in aviation. He was taking flying lessons and loved airplanes. Math was one of his favorite subjects. He was mechanically inclined and had a talent for fixing things.
Trayvon had nonviolent behavioral issues in school and had been suspended for 10 days. But his English honors teacher, Ashley Gantt, said she never saw him behave aggressively or show disrespect. “He was just a sweet kid, she said. “He got A’s and B’s. If he received a C on an assignment, it was because he was just being a kid that day. He was very smart.” This is a consistent characterization by everyone who knew him. He “was majoring,” said another of his teachers, “in cheerfulness.”
When he was 9 years old he saved his dad’s life, pulling him out of a house fire. But in all these things he was neither a saint nor an allegory, but just a kid. He surely wasn’t a menace, as he seemed to Geroge Zimmerman. Good lord, I feel sorry for Zimmerman right now. He’s got to be one of the most miserable people outside of Trayvon’s family, in the wake of this thing. To have killed an innocent kid like Trayvon must feel really bad. Maybe not in the league of Robert Bales, but that’s another story for another time.
You can read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/22/3507783/trayvons-parents-paint-portrait.html
dennistooge
yeah by his lawyer and his parents…a real angel.
by his actions a devil.
So what’s your point, dennis?
Everyone here has already agreed that this is a tragedy.
The only issue—-now read this VERRRRRRRRRY SLOWLY to let it sink in— THE ONLY ISSUE is that of ghoulish race-baiters trying to make it a race-based crime.
Without that, it would be a simple matter of a guy with issues, a guy who is probably something of a jerk, going farther than he should have and creating a situation in which the other person also overreacted and attacked him, with the end result of a young man dead.
Sad. Tragic. Unnecessary. All agreed upon.
We don’t know what Martin was doing that caught Zimmerman’s attention. It is unlikely that it was just his skin color, as he was in a neighborhood where about 25% of the population is black. But it happened.
We don’t know why Zimmerman persisted in following Martin even after being advised not to. He seemed to feel it was the right thing to do. Because of legitimate concerns due to Martin’s behavior? Because Zimmerman was overzealous? Because because because. All we know is that he did. And with the benefit of hindsight, we know he shouldn’t have. If the man he was following had turned out to be a serious bad guy who then committed a terrible crime after Zimmerman stopped following him, we would be saying he should have followed no matter who told him what.
But let’s give Zimmerman a bad decision point.
Then we have an eyewitness saying Martin was on top of Zimmerman hitting him in the face, and did not stop when the witness yelled at him to stop.
Martin was an athlete, Zimmerman was a chunky fireplug of a man. It would seem that once Zimmerman was on the ground, Martin could easily have run off and disappeared into the night. But he didn’t.
So there is at least one bad decision point for Martin. (He may have attacked Zimmerman instead of answering a question, so there’s a possible bad decision point right there.)
Two men made bad decisions, for personal reasons. OK—give Zimmerman the reason of being an arrogant jerk, if you want to, and give Martin the reason of just being scared and freaked out if you want to. Tip those scales in favor of Martin.
None of this is relevant to the point we have been trying to make here.
THE KILLING HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE AND THE LEFT IS BOUND AND DETERMINED TO MAKE IT RACIAL BECAUSE THIS FITS INTO THEIR TEMPLATE OF TURNING BLACKS AGAINST WHITES.
I have yet to see any of the Lefty blog trolls acknowledge that a man can be stupid, can be arrogant, can be whatever name they want to call Zimmerman, and still not be a racist. If a single one of them had said, in any way, anything like “I think Zimmerman is probably an ass, something of a bully, and was wrong in approaching Martin, but Martin clearly made some bad decisions of his own, and there is no reason to think he was killed just because he is black” I would have agreed.
But when every criticism of Zimmerman was based on an accusation of killing because of race, I pointed out that what he did was not, in and of itself, based on what we could tell from the EVIDENCE, indisuputably wrong, and certainly not proved to be race-related.
I might very well come to the conclusion that Zimmerman was a loose cannon, when all the evidence is in. But that’s not really the point, is it? The Reverend Al doesn’t show up and preen for the cameras just because a guy is a jerk and his belligerent personality led him into a situation where he ended up killing someone. No, Sharpton only shows up when there is a chance to stir up racial discord and hatred, when he can make a bad situation worse, when he can generate as much racial trouble as possible. And the howling mobs who want Zimmerman killed, or who insist this is a chance to drag out their own bigotry, are just as bad.
Thought I would just pop in and say hi.
HI.
http://suckersonparade.blogspot.com/2012/03/your-government-in-action.html
Already covered that. A long time ago.
The little whiny boy is at it again:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/03/22/santorum-might-as-well-have-obama-over-romney/
Go home Rick and start complaining about something else. We already have a president that whines and blames other people.
rubin greenteeth
Neocon quoted white supremacist cites instead of quoting FOX Orlando which has a different wording. Curious.
A LIE…but aside from that, I Loooove the “WHITE SUPREMEST” injection ( which is laughable.) into this RACIST WITCH HUNT.
YET
je$$e, as not so $harpton, the black panthers splc and what ever including Ubomas “church” are not BLACK SUPREMACISTS ????
STILL
waiting for the OUTRAGE of a black mob pouring gasoline on a 13 CHILD and lighting him on fire.
OR
The TEN MURDERED and 40 shot last leek including a SIX year old.
CRICKETS and Birds chirping.
Neo,
You should realize by now that none of those things fit the template of the race mongering Left.
JR
Oh yeah I do, mark-alinsky 101.
but I do love to watch them melt down while attempting to defend the indefensible.
Didnt take long for the forker flying monkey show of Uboma kneepadders to flap in on this one.
Yet the tragedy is,
the SCREAMING RACIST LYNCH MOB will result in zimmerman spending most of the rest of his life in prison, the truth matters not.
Remember ole rodney king, a felon, ran from the police, 120 mph chase for 20 minutes, got out of the car attacked a female trooper, fought with police including going for one’s weapon…refused to stay down and was subsequently subdued by force.
The police were ACQUITTED by a JURY…but did that appease the racist haters? OH NO…….we had a RIOT, LOOTING, MURDER, SIX HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS of damage to a city.
THEN the FEDERAL GOVT railroaded them and they were fired and JAILED for FIVE YEARS.
DONT TELL me white people are the racists when my eyes tell me different.
Whew done with rant LOL…..
Still it’s not about race it’s about who is percieved as a citizen with full rights AND responsibilities and who is not. That burning incident in Kansas City is an outrage but no one died there and the boy will heal he isn’t scarred for life. Trayvon is dead and the only reason he is not being dfended here by you and other isn’t because his actions were wrong.
Trayvon is dead and the only reason he is not being dfended (sic) here by you and other (sic) isn’t because his actions were wrong.
No, you silly twit, the only reason he is not being defended here is because he is not being ATTACKED here.
Zimmerman is not only being blamed in a shrill and hysterical mob scene orchestrated and fueled by racial gamesmanship, he is being the target of comments like wanting him dead, wishing he could be killed and then brought back to life so he could be killed again, etc.
The defenses that have you so upset are centered around the fact that the attacks on Zimmerman are based on conjecture, speculation, and blatant racism. When the New York Times does its part to fan the flames by redefining Zimmerman as a “WHITE Hispanic” the ground rules are clearly laid out, for the half dozen or so who had not already seen them when the rabble-rousers started in on the HE WAS ONLY KILLED BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK chorus.
Pointing out facts ignored or denied by the mobs is not the same as defending Zimmerman. It is nothing more than bringing in some balance to the hysteria while you guys are looking for a rope.
And you can’t even see THAT, because every single thing in your mind is run through the racial filter, and when that happens it always comes out connected to or dependent on race.
But you guys keep posting your admissions that to you EVERYTHING comes back to skin color, and then to the projected hatred you think is directed at skin color. Just remember, this is YOUR reality, and has little or nothing to do with the way most people think. You just keep opening the window into YOUR pathology, and while you are pretending you are identifying the pathology of others the truth is increasingly clear.
it’s about who is percieved as a citizen with full rights AND responsibilities and who is not.
Oh, really? So now you guys have expanded the whole HE WAS ONLY KILLED BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK thing to an assertion that Zimmerman had decided this stranger in his neighborhood was not a citizen with full rights?
Where do you people GET this stuff?
And as for “responsibilities”, well, we have covered the responsibilities of both parties at length here, and you race-baiters refuse to admit that Martin had any responsibility at all in this whole matter.
Nah, victims don’t have responsibilities. They are just helpless victims of the The Man. Who is, of course, white, even though a whole new racial category has to be invented to make him white, and he is probably going to be linked with conservatives, too.
Hmmm…how would that go? Oh, yeah—- Conservatives=Constitution=2nd Amendment=gun
Got it.
I’m surprised you haven’t gone for the hat trick. After all, Zimmerman is a Jewish name—you could have THREE hooks on which to hang your bigotry and determination to divide the people of his nation and turn them against each other.
Anyone else a news article about a Marine NCO being discharged from the service because of his TEA Party activism?
Strange world we live in. You can be an open homosexual in the service but not an open conservative.
GMB
atheist communism R us.
So neocon in the same set of circumstances if a black man had shot a white kid it would have been justifed?
nesbittgreenteeth
So neocon in the same set of circumstances if a black man had shot a white kid it would have been justifed?
race matters not, the law matters so yes
the police and DA’s office were investigating what had all appearances of a LEGAL self defense. That is UNTIL the race hustlers launched a screaming insane RACIST LYNCH MOB.
nesbitt greenteeth
I used to serve as rebuttal to the stories neocon posted to give the appearance that only minorities in urban centers commit crimes.
That is a LIE, so what else is new ….alinsky 101 tactics.
It is al, je$$e, the black panthers and many more race identified groups who has turned this sad story into a RACIST POLITICAL WITCH HUNT by a FROTHING MOB of RACISTS.
we are just pointing that out…..I have shown many other out rages, assaults and actual murders yet NO out cry….why is that greeny?
That’s right, Robbie….you just stick to the theme you guys are working so hard to create and promote. Yep, it’s all about race. All race, all the time, nothing but race, nothing matters but skin color, blah blah blah.
You people are so tiresome. And so downright nasty. Why don’t you stick to the Bigot Blogs, where your particular form of racist vitriol is welcome? Where you can base all your ‘decisions’ on skin color?
I don’t think anyone has actually said that the shooting of Martin was “justified”. What I have said, and what I have read, has been commentary that it MAY have been justified, based on the evidence and eyewitness accounts, but much more the point that justified or not IT WAS NOT RACIALLY MOTIVATED
It may have been right, it may have been wrong. But you and your kind only want to make it wrong because it was based on skin color and hatred and bigotry, when it appears to be far more likely that if it IS determined to be wrong, race had nothing to do with it.
What you don’t get is that most people don’t automatically snap to a default position of “what color was the shooter? what color was the victim?” To most people, unless there is clear-cut up-front proof of racial hatred (like “take this, white boy” as a REAL child is set on fire) a crime is a crime is a crime, an incident is an incident is an incident, a tragedy is a tragedy is a tragedy. People involved may be black, or white, or Asian, or Venusian, but this is incidental to the event.
It’s people like you who insist on trying to drag race into it, and you do it because this is how YOU see the world, through your own prisms of hatred and bigotry and judgment of other people based on superficial attributes, and you simply cannot grasp the fact that most people are not so limited or twisted.
GMB
. You can be an open homosexual in the service
we have them in the….
white house
DOJ
freddi
congress
senate
people with sexual pathologies, and reprobate minds making our laws and we wonder why things are this way?
WOW
hey al, black panthers…….. ya missed this………
Hmmmmm sounds familiar………….
TAMPA, Fla. – Last month I posted about a fight ignited by road rage that ended with one man getting stabbed in the head with an ice pick. On Sunday morning, the man who was stabbed, 20-year-old Wathson Adelson, died from his injuries.
According to police, Adelson and 62-year-old Alcisviades Polanco were driving southbound on Manhattan Avenue when Polanco cut Adelson off in traffic. Adelson responded by driving in front of Polanco and slamming on the brakes at an intersection. The two men got into a physical confrontation in which Polanco allegedly stabbed Adelson in the head with an ice pick he had retrieved from his car.
After his death yesterday, Adelson’s family and friends told reporters they feel the real story of what happened that day has yet to be revealed and are urging anyone who may of saw what happened to come forward.
“Somebody saw something, but they’re sitting and saying nothing. By doing that, they’re letting a young man’s memory go wasted,” family friend Spencer Scott says. “This is surreal to us because this can’t be his end.”
So far no charges have been filed against Polanco and there may never be charges filed as he’s probably covered by Florida’s “stand your ground” law that states anyone not committing a crime can use deadly force if he feels threatened with death or great bodily harm, even if the threatening person is unarmed.
That’s where Adelson’s friends have issues. They do not feel that their friend posed any kind of threat to Polanco — who was 40 years older, a few inches shorter and 100lbs lighter than Adelson, a former offensive lineman at Middleton High School.
HOLY RIOTS
Man fatally shot during Philly rap video shoot
Thursday, March 22, 2012
OLNEY – March 22, 2012 (WPVI) — A man was shot in the head and killed during the filming of an amateur rap video in the Olney section of Philadelphia.
RENT a MOB……..quick buy tickets for Philly……….
WHAT? a black on black MURDER?
forgetaboutit nothing new there to scream about and some one to lynch, cancel the tickets….
Looks like the race war that Uboma has so wanted has begun…….
Sharpton rides into town: ‘Are you afraid of violence?’
Farrakhan Threatens ‘Retaliation’…
Miami HS students stage massive walkout…
Gun boom continues…
Moderator: My links are clean they are to current news stories I used to serve as rebuttal to the stories neocon posted to give the appearance that only minorities in urban centers commit crimes.
“James” let me see if I follow your reasoning here.
You are saying that because the rules were laid out, the Marine had to know that breaking them would result in some kind of action?
So, and let me be sure I know what you are saying, if you make a choice to enter an institution, knowing its rules, then you have no reason to complain when those rules are implemented?
Right?
So a Marine who openly criticizes the president in a forum in which he is clearly identified as a member of the armed services should understand that he can legally be dismissed for doing so, right?
And a young woman who chooses, among all her many choices, a law school run by a religion which does not provide birth control should understand that this institution will not provide birth control, right?
Thanks for clearing that up.
Oh, WE understood it. It’s just good to know you do, too.
A Marine faces disciple for his Facebook post.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/22/us-marine-facebook-idUSBRE82L1BG20120322
Ubomas hope n CHANGE for America = Somalia west.
Posting using multiple fake email addresses – deleted//Moderator
james sosoon
show us the chapter and verse….
then explain how one’s first amendment constitutional rights end when one is a member of the military?
this isnt Iran you know……
“James” let me see if I follow your reasoning here.
You are saying that because the rules were laid out, the Marine had to know that breaking them would result in some kind of action?
So, and let me be sure I know what you are saying, if you make a choice to enter an institution, knowing its rules, then you have no reason to complain when those rules are implemented?
Right?
So a Marine who openly criticizes the president in a forum in which he is clearly identified as a member of the armed services should understand that he can legally be dismissed for doing so, right?
And a young woman who chooses, among all her many choices, a law school run by a religion which does not provide birth control should understand that this institution will not provide birth control, right?
Thanks for clearing that up.
Oh, WE understood it. It’s just good to know you do, too.
I bet some Christian Conservatives cringed when Sergeant Stein’s attorney said this:
“There is not a document in this world that trumps the United States Constitution.”
nesbit gerrnyweeny
the Bible is NOT a document…so your little gotcha backfired forker.
This isn’t the first time this Marine has tried to get attention by sounding off about his displeasure at the Commander in Chief. In 2010 he did something similar and the ACLU took up his case!
Who saiod anything about the Bible
Robbie, what the hell are you nattering on about now? Tired of race-baiting and now trying to drag your religious bigotries into something?
Give it a rest, OK? You are so tiresome, and such a nag. Sure, you see something in everything that you can twist into something ugly and hateful and divisive. It’s just what you are.
But if you think people who believe in the Bible and the Constitution are going to flip out and wallow in OUTRAGE over this statement, you are simply doing more of your sick projection of your own silliness on others.
Many Christians are not conservatives. Many conservatives are not Christians. Those who fall into both categories also know that the Bible, and belief in God, provided the foundation for the Constitution, and the two are not vying with each other for dominance. One is in the realm of the spirit, one is the blueprint for governing the nation, and the are quite compatible, thank you very much.
You really ought to stick to the basement conclave of losers and play your little games, at least until you manage to outgrow your smug and ignorant snottiness.
Awww, now wittow wobbie is being coy! Ain’t she darling?
Get over yourself and stop your stupid game playing, Robbie. You’ve strutted your racial bigotry, you’ve spotlighted your infantile snottiness, you’ve illustrated your overall ignorance, so your work here is done.
So a Marine who dares to voice a political opinion is now just “trying to get attention”? Gee, maybe he ought to have a bunch of posers set up a bogus “hearing” where he can “testify”—isn’t that the way attention-seekers operate these days?
But if you think people who believe in the Bible and the Constitution are going to flip out and wallow in OUTRAGE over this statement, you are simply doing more of your sick projection of your own silliness on others.
Seems like you’ve done this for us Amazona. Thank you.
Amazona I was taught at a very good school in New England that once ad hominem attacks come out you’ve won the argument. I have simply presented facts to support my opinions. You on the ohter hand have devolved into foaming at the mouth and name calling. When you have some facts, which will require reading with understanding of things that don’t fit precisely into your worldview, I welcome more debate.
Oh, Robbie, you are such a silly and peevish little twit.
Too bad your entire debating skill is nothing more than a whining of “I know what you are, what am I?”
The only way to see outrage in what I said is to run it through your Outrage filter, after which it might appear to be something you could relate to.
I have read quite a bit about this issue now and wondering if he pissed someone in Pendleton off so bad he was just one false step away from a BCD? I mean, a meteorologist at Pendleton is cushy compared to swinging with the wing and this is from a ground pounder. I have a feeling (since there are other incidents) that he just pissed off some anal-retentive (no pun intended) officer and they waited for just one more “mistake.”
I still love my Corps but have seen a great deal of standard corporate -world crapola after I became Plt. Sgt. / Acting Plt. Cmdr the likes of I found hard to believe.
President Obama: “I can only imagine what these parents are going through,” the president said, adding that he couldn’t help but think about his daughters. “I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this.
“My main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin,” he added. “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon. I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and we’re going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”
Nice work, quoting the Race-Baiter-In-Chief.
It is duly noted that Barry managed to bring race into this by his mention that a son of his would look like Trayvon Martin, implying of course that Trayvon Martin’s appearance is what got him killed.
I wonder if the parents of the boy set on fire got a mention from the RBIC—after all, after the kid’s skin was burned to a crisp he, too, might have looked a lot like Trayvon Martin.
Let’s clarify the comment, m’kay? “..all of us racist Americans are going to take this with the seriousness we claim it deserves and we’re going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened as long as it fits the narrative of whites hating and killing blacks, because this is an election year and I need to get every black person in America wound up tight enough to go back into the voting booth and vote based on skin color and racial hatred.”
Again.
Amazona it’s good for you that you live far away from any urban center.
Yes, Robbie, that makes SOOOO much sense.
I’m sure it’s about race, though.
Robbie, why don’t you make yourself useful and do some research and get back to us with a summary of Black Liberation Theology? You can use that marvy New England education (superiority by zip code, another Lefty meme) to read James Cone and the sermons of pastors who preach his take on the story of Christ.
You do that little thing, and then we’ll have us a nice little chitchat, where we can tie in current events to the atmosphere of racial acceptance and equality as taught by followers of Cone and as absorbed by our RBIC and exhibited in some of his statements.
Oh, and while you’re at it, check out how many other presidents have made references to race, and made it a centerpiece of various statements.
Do get back us real soon on that, ‘kay?
I have read quite a bit about Black liberation theology and the question that needs to be asked is what social forces in America have caused such a minority opinion about race in America held by a minority group?
robin nesbittgreenteeth
what social forces in America have caused such a minority opinion about race in America held by a minority group?
because their ancestors sold them into slavery?
OR
they them selves owned each other?
OR
they listen to racist pied pipers who have become MULTI MILLIONAIRES pushing the victim market?
OR
that the black on black murder, rape and crime are HUGE and no one dares talk about it.
Nah, easier to blame the white devil hiding under the bed for all YOUR ills.
what social forces in America have caused such a minority opinion about race in America held by a minority group?
because their ancestors sold them into slavery?
True many black slaves were sold by other tribes in Africa but that doesn’t explain why whites in America bought them, brought them over to America in chains and forcerd them under penalty of death to do work the whites felt was too hard or beneath them. Please address this issue.
OR
they them selves owned each other?
True also there was a minority of free blacks that owned slaves, however, most of those slaves were freed and landed far before 1865.
OR
they listen to racist pied pipers who have become MULTI MILLIONAIRES pushing the victim market?
I wouldn’t call the civil rights leaders of now or the last century racists. Jackson, Sharpton, King, Bond, Evers and Carmichael were and are still great American icons.
OR
that the black on black murder, rape and crime are HUGE and no one dares talk about it.
Once again neocon if you were willing just to look you would see that white on white crime is a far greater problem than black on black crime in the USA.
Nah, easier to blame the white devil hiding under the bed for all YOUR ills.
No, what it’s really about is the disease you suffer from that compels you to feel superior, put upon and indignant. Quite a hat trick Amazona!
If someone were to ask you “what’s the sum of 2 + 2” your first response would be one of condescending arrogance, then outrage that the question didn’t include a treatise of the posers political philosophy complete with charts, graphs and historical anecdotes.
You would then dismiss out of hand the question entirely as if it’s not worth your time to respond. But what this really is, is a defense mechanism. A deflection from addressing the reasons why you are fundamentally incapable of being the broad minded “broad” you so desperately desire to be. You’re nothing more than a narrow minded bigot whose default position is to attack everyone who challenges you.
Trayvon Martin IS about race, whether it fits into your shriveled world view or not. And do yourself a favor.Check out the facts before you spew your misinterpretation of them. Your desperation to blame “lefties” for lacking a dispassionate, sober ability to interpret information clearly shows your bias. Zimmerman pursued this kid whose father lived in the gated community. Zimmerman wa told by the dispatcher to stop his pursuit. Neighborhood watch group guidelines prohibit the use of guns and Zimmerman wasn’t even a member of the watch group. 25,000 people showed up yesterday in Fl. More gatherings are planned for today. The person who wrote the law that allows for these types of murders to take place (in Fl) is ashamed of what he has done. Why don’t you explain to these people that this murder has nothing to do race? Explain to them about how all of the other innocent victims of senseless crimes, enabled by stupid gun laws negate Trayvon’s death. Like so many other issues, right or wrong, you are in the minority
bmitch HUH???
25,000 ? BFD = bused in union thugs, commies, anarchists, racists, and welfare queens do not count…sooo lets say 5 people in reality?
nasbit greenteeth… so I am right? thanks for proving that there are pied pipers and useful idiots at work.
Jackson, Sharpton, King, Bond, Evers and Carmichael were and are still great American icons.
Yeah, great American icons, all right. Nice that you slipped King and Evers in there. Take them out and you have a list of low-life, race-bating, hustlers who have callously sold their own race into 20th and 21st Century plantations, where they are given a subsistence living with no dignity, and not enough education to even realize how they are being used, so they can provide a political entity powerful enough to enrich these “great American icons”.
Except for Carmichael, who was from another time, where he was just a gangster using race as a cover. Ask David Horowitz about the Black Panthers in the 60s. He was part of that whole thing, supporting them, until they murdered his secretary and not one of the panthers would stand up for prosecuting the murderers. (Black on white crime, doncha see—-no harm, no foul.)
GREAT AMERICAN ICONS
You just get goofier and goofier, and deeper and deeper into the excrement that is Leftist propaganda. The thing is, the deeper you get the more you love the smell.
Ahhh, another hysterical tirade from mitchie. Quelle surprise~
Nah, mitch, it’s only people like you who need, so desperately NEED, crap to feed yourselves, to keep the crap level up to your comfort zone, who are determined to make this about race.
And the rest of your strident squealing is just that. Only three things come out of it:
1. You passionately, desperately, need to hate, and this gives you an excuse, as you can claim this tragedy was based on race and that makes you feel that your seething irrational hatreds are justified.
2 You are getting a little paranoid about being so bone-deep ignorant of any true political system, and you are trying to make this less of a comment on your inherent laziness/stupidity by making fun of anyone who points it out to you, implying that having an idea of what you’re talking about is simply a ridiculous expectation.
3. You are anti-gun ownership and have worked that into your rant.
I have read quite a bit about Black liberation theology and the question that needs to be asked is what social forces in America have caused such a minority opinion about race in America held by a minority group?
Oh, so it is the fault of white people that some black people have invented a bogus Christ to try to justify multi-generational hatred?
Wrong, Robbie. You bleat “…the question that needs to be asked is what social forces in America have caused such a minority opinion about race in America held by a minority group? ” but this is back-asswards.
Millions of black people, who were born here because of a horrible injustice done to their ANCESTORS, many many decades ago, have been smart enough and noble enough and fair enough to realize that what happened then is firmly in the past, and to move on. The fact that some have not is not the fault of anyone but themselves.
Just as people like you and your fellow travelers have an insatiable need to hate, and so seek excuses for your hatreds and bigotries, look for ways to validate your pathologies, so do those who distort religion to do the same thing. Poorly understood politics used to validate hatred and viciousness is not any different than distorted religion used to do the same thing, and none of you can blame anyone but yourselves for what you are.
In an era OF THE PAST, many things were accepted which are not, now.
Slavery is one of those things which was part of many cultures, but which has been rejected, except in parts of Africa, where it continues to this day—where black still people enslave black people. (And black Americans look the other way, too busy hating the umpteenth generation of whites whose families never owned slaves anyway. No hypocrisy there, though.)
The only reason it is ever brought up that the American slaves were originally captured and enslaved by black people is to point out the insanity of claiming that slavery is a shame owned only by white people.
But it was a shame owned only by those who practiced it. It is not a shame that can be inherited. It does not taint descendants of those who owned slaves, nor of those who did not. It does not taint anyone but the persons who committed the act. AND THEY ARE ALL DEAD.
Yes, I know, collective redemption as embraced by the Left is intricately tied to the concept of collective shame and collective guilt, and all things collective.
To that, I would say BS, but fully spelled out.
You do realize that everything you say supports the perception of you as a hard-core Leftist, don’t you? That is to say, as someone who does not only refuse to recognize the individual but who seems to deny the individual. And this is a core difference between the Left and the Right. Not a political difference, but a psychological difference that helps explain why a person holds one political view or another.
A slave was a slave. His descendants are not slaves. His descendants, while struggling to attain equal opportunity, now have it. What they do with it is now, and forever, their own decisions, and their own RESPONSIBILITIES.
A slave owner was a slave owner. His sins, his shame, are his and his alone. They are not passed on to any of his offspring or their offspring. Each individual has the burden of his own choices, and his own RESPONSIBILITIES.
A woman is a female human INDIVIDUAL, not just a faceless cog in a machine labeled “WOMEN”
A gay person is an INDIVIDUAL whose sexual appetites are for people of the same gender, not just an anonymous component of a GAY COMMUNITY.
A person with a geographic or ethnic background in a Spanish nation is an INDIVIDUAL, not just part of an amorphous whole with a group identity.
But whenever you hear a Lefty, whether an educated one who understands and is dedicated to a political system or just an emotion-driven tag-along, all you hear is versions of collective-think.
As an individual who is also an individualist, I can never understand the willing submission to a group, to groupthink, to a group identity, or to a belief in a collective redemption or guilt. People like you baffle me.
And you often disgust me, because your self-righteous proclamations of groupthink are so often deeply rooted in truly vile origins of hatred and bigotry and preening self-congratulation for hating.
C’mon guys, help me out here. Robbie’s claim that white on white crime is sooooooooooo much worse a problem than black on black crime reminded me of a statement by a very famous person Robbie asserts is not a racist.
It went something like “When I am walking down the street at night and I hear footsteps behind me, and I look around, I am always relieved if it is a white man.”
OK, I know I didn’t get it word for word, but that’s the gist of it. A real quote would be interesting.
The question is, who said it?
Got it.
“There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery—and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”
And this was said by the Revrund Jessah.
” Jackson now says his quotation was “taken out of context.” The context, he said, is that violence is the inevitable byproduct of poor education and health care.”
Anyone see anything about being afraid of black men because they have poor health care and educations? Me neither. There is the implication that white men, of course, all have better educations and health care, but then to get into that means getting into the backtracking Jackson felt necessary to try to “explain” something he blurted out.
“But no amount of “context” matters when you fear that you are about to be mugged.”
=Only because the Rev knows White on Black Crime is virtually non-existent.
But, if Je$$ie where WHITE he’d be scared stupid to turn and see a white person following him. (I know I am.)
Count, where’d you get that cool sarcasm font? I’ve been looking for one.
I think democrats are losing the “white” hispanic votes.
aHHHHHHHH NOW WE GET TO THE real TRUTH
((((Robin Naismith Green March 23, 2012 at 11:13 am #
So neocon in the same set of circumstances if a black man had shot a white kid it would have been justifed?))))
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seems the REAL story is one minority had a fight with another minority, one minority shot the other minority, NEITHER were WHITE…….
but hey you cant start a riot and a race war by reporting the truth can you?
I dont think the Hispanic minority will take kindly to the racist WITCH HUNT and LYNCHING of one of their own by the black community.
mmmmm mmmmm mmmmmm Now Uboma chimes in…..you were saying about the “hispanic vote” ???????
I feel the Latino community in the US understands that Mr Zimmerman is not representative of Latino values.
The Latinos I know do not share your stupid analysis.
The they aren’t like the vast majority of Latinos that live in the US.
Actually, neo, I would say that the real story here is that stupid people get into bad situations where, too often, bad things happen.
It is incidental that either. or both, of the participants who made bad decisions were from minority demographics.
That only matters to race baiters and hustlers who can’t get rich if they can’t whip ignorant people into a frenzy.
I wonder how many “Latinos” Robbie knows?
Keep in mind, of course, that to people like her, “Latinos” are a homogenous group, not individuals who happen to share an ethnic or geographic history. Nope, it’s just a group, with a single identity.
I know “Latinos” from Argentina, Peru, El Salvador and Mexico. Some have graduate degrees, some can barely read Spanish. Some speak clear and melodic Castellano, some speak a more gutteral Mexican/Indio Spanish, some have Quechua as their first language and Spanish as their second.
Those who are here legally are quite upset at efforts to hand out visas and even citizenships to illegals who skirted the law. Those who do not admit to being here legally may not be, and I have not discussed politics with them.
One thing that every single South American I have talked to has found first, unbelievable, and second, appalling, is the ability to just stroll into a street clinic and kill your baby. This is a value that seems to be shared by newly arrived Latinos, coming from countries where such a thing is an atrocity.
Another is a very deep distrust of Leftist politics (which they, unlike our resident PL trolls, DO understand, having had to live under them and usually flee from them) and they are here because this country offers liberty and opportunity. They most definitely do NOT like the collectivist, redistributionist model of the Left. Again, here I am speaking of the educated South Americans and Central Americans I have known, and still do know.
I have done business in South and Central America, traveled there and hosted business associates here, and politics has often been a topic of discussion, so this is not speculation on my part.
Poor Mexicans who need the government to pay for their medical care, and who might be handed a visa in spite of breaking our laws, might vote for Obama, but only if the Left is successful in setting up a system where people can vote even if they are not citizens. (Read: No voter ID)
I am sure Mexicans in California have different views, and Puerto Ricans and Cubans have other political ties.
The point is, only the race-dependent Left could possibly lump all “Hispanics” into one group. In a similar vein the Left loves to talk about “women”. Women’s issues, the women’s vote, etc. Yet the women I have met since moving back to Colorado have all been conservatives. As a matter of fact, we are talking about starting a book club, beginning with Thomas Sowell’s Conflict of Visions. The Left sees demographics, the Right sees individuals.
A Peruvian college graduate I know said, during the last election, that Obama would set back race relations in this country by decades. He said that if Obama were to lose, it would be blamed on race, and create all sorts of problems, because the Dems had chosen to make race the centerpiece of their campaign. And if Obama won, he would be such a disaster as a president, and do so much harm, that it would be hard for any black man to be elected again, except by the people who don’t pay attention to race.
THE LATINO COMMUNITY
Really? Which one? The college professor from Peru? The illegal who uses the E.R. as his primary care provider? The political refugees from oppressive Leftist governments studying English so they can become citizens and LEGALLY vote? The engineering student at the Colorado School of Mines? The La Raza lunatics who want to “take back” part of the United States? The low-riders on Cerillos in Santa Fe whose families have been here since the 16th Century?
You and your Leftist lumping together of individuals into faceless, identityless, “communities”.
One of these times you are going to slip and call them “collectives” but no matter—we already know it’s how you think.
Or the Cuban expatriots.
crystal ball?
are you channeling all of them in hell?
or
just an idiot?
RNG. Why is being openly homosexual in the military a human right? Why is being openly conservative in the military not a human right?
communism and the left 101
the MOB WITCH HUNT and LYNCHING continues…….
just wait for what is coming as we get closer to the defeat of Uboma
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Drudge
Accused killer ‘spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends’…
REVERSAL: Obama wades in after dismissing it as ‘local’ matter…
NBCNEWS Sharpton stokes FL town: ‘Are you afraid of violence?’
MSNBC Host Finney Blames Limbaugh, Gingrich, Santorum For Death…
Farrakhan: ‘Soon and very soon’ there will be ‘retaliation’…
More Miami schools stage mass walk-outs…
OBAMA: ‘IF I HAD A SON, HE’D LOOK LIKE TRAYVON’
Zimmerman’s father is white his mother is Latina. However, he is a grown man and has his own yet unknown value set.
Karen Finney is an MSNBC analyst not a host and some of the rhetoric these men use to pander to a bigoted base may have contributed to this death.
Rev Sharpton asks a good question there.
I cannot condone Louis Farrakhan’s call for violence; I condemn that.
Gingrich, Limbaugh and Santorum have never uttered rhetoric to appeal to a bigoted base. To say so is a lie. It is, more to the point, a necessary lie for the Left, as it fights to retain control in a nation increasingly skeptical of Leftist policies.
The Left knows it has a certain mindless base which will accept, swallow, and then regurgitate its lies, and Robin is quite eager to assure us of her membership in this base.
But it is a lie. Rush, as an entertainer and opinion host, has made comments which are more easily spun as racist, though the claims of racism never hold up when the comments are honestly evaluated in context.
Gingrich and Santorum simply do not say anything that even a stone-cold liar like Finney (or Robin) can honestly claim represents racism. Not that this will slow down the Slime Machine that is the Left.
Robin, are you truly trying to claim that a “political analyst’s” comments should carry less weight than those of people who openly and repeatedly remind their audiences that they are offering OPINIONS and not unbiased news?
Really? You might want to think that through.
You can try to reframe Sharpton’s comment as an innocent “question” but it is clearly a threat.
You people managed to win a presidential election by playing on fears of being considered racist, but you are now taking this race game to a whole new level, and it is turning off blacks and whites alike. The Left can be cunning and stealthy, but when they feel that they have power they always lunge headlong into expressions of their true agendas, and we are seeing this here. The thing is, their timing is off.
It may be prompted by pushback from black radicals that Obama has not done enough to govern as a “black president”. It may be a calculation that they had better shift into high gear to win back the disillusioned radical blacks who have not gotten their free refrigerators and free gas, who don’t see Holder’s efforts to only pursue white on black crime as going far enough, who are ticked off and ready to stay home this time. But it is a calculated effort to create even more divisiveness, even more distance between black and white in this country, because a nation united AS AMERICANS, interested in how best to govern the country, is not a nation that will re-elect Obama.
But having a freak like Sharpton threaten the country if a man is not summarily convicted of a crime when so far there is no evidence that an actual crime has been committed is going to backfire. Oh, it will increase the divide between the races, all right. It will do even more to unwind the progress made in the last 50 years or so. It will contribute even more to a return to mutual dislike, distrust and possibly even hatred between black and white Americans. It will feed well into the “Divide and Conquer” strategy of the Left.
But it will lead to the election of an adminstration and Congress that refuses to play these sick and harmful games with American people. It will lead to a resurgence of a desire to see people as who they really are, not what color their skin may be. And it will lead to an even greater divide between Democrats and Republicans, as the former will be relegated to the plantation level poor, an undereducated and mindless rabble, while serious and intelligent people gravitate toward the party which represents unity, fairness and decency.
It’s already happening. Just look at the howling mobs on the Left, and the need for the Left to hire thugs to infiltrate Right-wing gatherings to try to create the impression that the Right is equally volatile.
Zimmerman “…has his own yet unknown value set…” ?
But I thought you radical race-baiters had already assigned a value set to Zimmerman. You have identified him as a racist, as a murdering racist, as an out-of-control murdering racist, as a loose cannon racist, as a vigilante racist. I think you’ve covered all the racist bases except for maybe—just maybe—white-hood-wearing racist.
Gee, now you are admitting that no one really KNOWS his values, his beliefs, his motivations. Doesn’t being that close to the truth make you burst into flames or something?
OMG……LOL LOL
Doesn’t being that close to the truth make you burst into flames or something?
because being openly straight is GMB.
About what I expected from you. Being conservative is not a human right then? I bet the story would be reversed if the Marine was openly campaigning for barky wouldn’t it?
Farrakhan Tweets: ‘Where There Is No Justice, There Will Be No Peace…Law of Retaliation May…Be Applied’
This IS the spark in which they will fan the FLAMES of hatred and violence, there WILL be riots, looting, burning and death against the white community.
This has been planed and orchestrated by the regime and just waiting for the right time to unleash their useful idiots.
“surprisingly” (sarc) RIGHT after Ubomas signing the executive order giving him power to initiate Marshall law…….
we are witnessing the destruction of our nation before our very eyes by this communist regime.
GMB you have every right to live as a conservative in the US. You do have the right to force everyone who isn’t a conservative to live that way.
Neocon this isn’t going to be your Turner Diaries fantasy again is it? The black middle class doesn’t listen to farrakhan they watch and listen to what their own people on the ground experience in America every day. All whites aren’t conservatives and all blacks aren’t NOI.
You miss the point. I should not be surprised. That Marine has a constitutional right to support whatever political candidate he wishes to. He is not “forcing” anything on anybody as you say it.
Yet he is being discharged for doing so.
You have a right to stick your penis in anothers mans anus but no right to say what you think about it.
Wonderful country you and your kind have created here RNG. It can not last and it will not last.
Love the turner diaries diatribe…….
No,
more like a sermon from….. ummmm maybe the guy that was a friend, mentor, counselor to Uboma for 20 years…..the ONE that gave calypso louie a MAN of the YEAR award and had as a guest speaker on many occasions….the one who VACATIONED with Uboma and calypso louie what was his name? oboma? noooo oh yeah wright the “REV” wright.
You miss the point GMB. No member has the right to disparage the C-in-C by saying “F*** Obama” and “I refuse to follow any of his orders” in a Facebook post.
nesbitt greenteeth
they watch and listen to what their own people on the ground experience in America every day.
interesting, so they are NOT Americans? but their “***OWN PEOPLE”**** maybe that is the problem.
And exactly what does gay sex have to do with your civil rights GMB?
Neocon in your heart you feel the same way. you KNOW who you’re people are too.
EVERYTHING, when it becomes a POLITICAL AGENDA, which it has.
My people are my neighbors, Family, and friends.
I have Latino, Asian, and Black in all the above categories…well except black family, my sister ditched that one while back…so go play your stupid games else where forker troll.
And neocon that’s my point the people you share your toughest days with are the people you love and care about.
And therrrrre goes Robin, again, off in her frantic race to show off her ignorance and bigotry!
She’s well ahead of the pack on this thread, probably because “she” is really one of the other trolls who is not posting under the usual name. The thing is, with this bunch it’s hard to tell who is the ventriloquist and who is the dummy.
Robbie, no conservative EVER wants to “..force everyone who isn’t a conservative to live that way.” Unless you mean to “force” everyone to live under Constitutional law while in this country—and you do seem to be offended by THAT.
Your ignorance of actual politics, as opposed to the Bogey-Man Identity Politics your type is so fond of, is made clearer every time you post. But here’s a hint:
Conservatism, Constitutional Conservatism, is about individual liberty and freedom—under the law. And the law, in this case, is less restrictive than the myriad of laws, rules, regulations, laws about rules, rules about regulations, etc that the omnipotent Big Brother state you and your kind yearn for.
the people you share your toughest days with are the people you love and care about.
YES my FELLOW AMERICANS.
not communist race baiting radicals who want to destroy this greatest country that has ever existed on earth.
RNG. I was a soldier. I am very familiar with Uniform Code of Military Justice. I was then and as a member of the inactive reserve now under no obligation to follow an unlawful order.
It is time to you people to urge your own to investigate wheather or not barky is a lawful president. Stop the obstruction. Stop hiding his history.
He has nothing hide right? Right?
GMB
I was then and as a member of the inactive reserve now under no obligation to follow an unlawful order.
It is time to you people to urge your own to investigate wheather or not barky is a lawful president. Stop the obstruction. Stop hiding his history.
Oath keepers……
http://www.oathkeepers.org
“The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army” – Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island
Such a time is near at hand again. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this Army – and this Marine Corps, This Air Force, This Navy and the National Guard units of these sovereign states.
Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it.
Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and that oath will be kept. We won’t “just follow orders.”
Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason. We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic.
Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey
Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following:
1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.
The attempt to disarm the people on April 19, 1775 was the spark of open conflict in the American Revolution. That vile attempt was an act of war, and the American people fought back in justified, righteous self-defense of their natural rights. Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, and we will not commit treason by obeying any such treasonous order.
Nor will we assist, or support any such attempt to disarm the people by other government entities, either state or federal.
In addition, we affirm that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to preserve the military power of the people so that they will, in the last resort, have effective final recourse to arms and to the God of Hosts in the face of tyranny. Accordingly, we oppose any and all further infringements on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. In particular we oppose a renewal of the misnamed “assault-weapons” ban or the enactment of H.R. 45 (which would register and track gun owners like convicted pedophiles).
2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects – such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the use of “writs of assistance,” which were essentially warrantless searches because there was no requirement of a showing of probable cause to a judge, and the first fiery embers of American resistance were born in opposition to those infamous writs. The Founders considered all warrantless searches to be unreasonable and egregious. It was to prevent a repeat of such violations of the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects that the Fourth Amendment was written.
We expect that sweeping warrantless searches of homes and vehicles, under some pretext, will be the means used to attempt to disarm the people.
3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the denial of the right to jury trial, the use of admiralty courts (military tribunals) instead, and the application of the laws of war to the colonists. After that experience, and being well aware of the infamous Star Chamber in English history, the Founders ensured that the international laws of war would apply only to foreign enemies, not to the American people. Thus, the Article III Treason Clause establishes the only constitutional form of trial for an American, not serving in the military, who is accused of making war on his own nation. Such a trial for treason must be before a civilian jury, not a tribunal.
The international laws of war do not trump our Bill of Rights. We reject as illegitimate any such claimed power, as did the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan (1865). Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic “militia” groups the government brands “domestic terrorists,” is an act of war and an act of treason.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the attempt “to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power” by disbanding the Massachusetts legislature and appointing General Gage as “military governor.” The attempt to disarm the people of Massachusetts during that martial law sparked our Revolution. Accordingly, the power to impose martial law – the absolute rule over the people by a military officer with his will alone being law – is nowhere enumerated in our Constitution.
Further, it is the militia of a state and of the several states that the Constitution contemplates being used in any context, during any emergency within a state, not the standing army.
The imposition of martial law by the national government over a state and its people, treating them as an occupied enemy nation, is an act of war. Such an attempted suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights voids the compact with the states and with the people.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.
In response to the obscene growth of federal power and to the absurdly totalitarian claimed powers of the Executive, upwards of 20 states are considering, have considered, or have passed courageous resolutions affirming states rights and sovereignty.
Those resolutions follow in the honored and revered footsteps of Jefferson and Madison in their Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, and likewise seek to enforce the Constitution by affirming the very same principles of our Declaration, Constitution, and Bill of Rights that we Oath Keepers recognize and affirm.
Chief among those principles is that ours is a dual sovereignty system, with the people of each state retaining all powers not granted to the national government they created, and thus the people of each state reserved to themselves the right to judge when the national government they created has voided the compact between the states by asserting powers never granted.
Upon the declaration by a state that such a breach has occurred, we will not obey orders to force that state to submit to the national government.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the blockade of Boston, and the occupying of that city by the British military, under martial law. Once hostilities began, the people of Boston were tricked into turning in their arms in exchange for safe passage, but were then forbidden to leave. That confinement of the residents of an entire city was an act of war.
Such tactics were repeated by the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, and by the Imperial Japanese in Nanking, turning entire cities into death camps. Any such order to disarm and confine the people of an American city will be an act of war and thus an act of treason.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
Mass, forced internment into concentration camps was a hallmark of every fascist and communist dictatorship in the 20th Century. Such internment was unfortunately even used against American citizens of Japanese descent during World War II. Whenever a government interns its own people, it treats them like an occupied enemy population. Oppressive governments often use the internment of women and children to break the will of the men fighting for their liberty – as was done to the Boers, to the Jewish resisters in the Warsaw Ghetto, and to the Chechens, for example.
Such a vile order to forcibly intern Americans without charges or trial would be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason, regardless of the pretext used. We will not commit treason, nor will we facilitate or support it.”NOT on Our Watch!”
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.
During the American Revolution, the British government enlisted the aid of Hessian mercenaries in an attempt to subjugate the rebellious American people. Throughout history, repressive regimes have enlisted the aid of foreign troops and mercenaries who have no bonds with the people.
Accordingly, as the militia of the several states are the only military force contemplated by the Constitution, in Article I, Section 8, for domestic keeping of the peace, and as the use of even our own standing army for such purposes is without such constitutional support, the use of foreign troops and mercenaries against the people is wildly unconstitutional, egregious, and an act of war.
We will oppose such troops as enemies of the people and we will treat all who request, invite, and aid those foreign troops as the traitors they are.
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the seizure and forfeiture of American ships, goods, and supplies, along with the seizure of American timber for the Royal Navy, all in violation of the people’s natural right to their property and to the fruits of their labor. The final spark of the Revolution was the attempt by the government to seize powder and cannon stores at Concord.
Deprivation of food has long been a weapon of war and oppression, with millions intentionally starved to death by fascist and communist governments in the 20th Century alone.
Accordingly, we will not obey or facilitate orders to confiscate food and other essential supplies from the people, and we will consider all those who issue or carry out such orders to be the enemies of the people.
10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
There would have been no American Revolution without fiery speakers and writers such as James Otis, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, and Sam Adams “setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.”
Patrick Henry: “Give me Liberty, or Give me DEATH!”
Tyrants know that the pen of a man such as Thomas Paine can cause them more damage than entire armies, and thus they always seek to suppress the natural rights of speech, association, and assembly. Without freedom of speech, the people will have no recourse but to arms. Without freedom of speech and conscience, there is no freedom.
Therefore, we will not obey or support any orders to suppress or violate the right of the people to speak, associate, worship, assemble, communicate, or petition government for the redress of grievances.
— And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually affirm our oath and pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. Oath Keepers
The above list is not exhaustive but we do consider them to be clear tripwires – they form our “line in the sand,” and if we receive such orders, we will not obey them. Further, we will know that the time for another American Revolution is nigh. If such a revolution comes, at that time, not only will we NOT fire upon our fellow Americans who righteously resist such egregious violations of their God given rights, we will join them in fighting against those who dare attempt to enslave them.
NOTE: please also read our Principles of Our Republic We Are Sworn to Defend
More About Oath Keepers
Oath Keepers is a non partisan association of currently serving military, veterans, and peace officers who will fulfill our oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God.
Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and not to any political party. In the long-standing tradition of the U.S. military, we are apolitical. We don’t care if unlawful orders come from a Democrat or a Republican, or if the violation is bi-partisan. We will not obey unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral orders, such as orders to disarm the American people or to place them under martial law. We won’t “just follow orders.” Our motto: “Not on Our Watch!” or to put it even more succinctly, in the words of , “NUTS!”
There is at this time a debate within the ranks of the military regarding their oath. Some mistakenly believe they must follow any order the President issues. But many others do understand that their loyalty is to the Constitution and to the people, and understand what that means.
More. Birther. Nonsense.
RNG. I could go the route with you. I could show all the inconsistancies in his records. I won’t. There is no point in it.
The only qualification you see is his desire to bring communism to the United States. A desire you also share. A citizen of the world is good enough for you and your kind.
Tell me. Do you see yourself as one of the politburo class. Do you see yourself as one of those with the power to decide who gets what.
Do you see yourself as capable of giving the execution orders?
WE do.
GMB
Do you see yourself as capable of giving the execution orders?
WE do.
The pictures of Che in Ubomas campaign sites is the answer.
Too bad half of America is so Fn stupid as to elect this grotesque monster as POtuS
more commie nonsense
Yeah, but to you people “birther” is a vague, amorphous word with no definition.
It means people who think Obama was probably born in Hawaii but would like to see a genuine, unaltered, copy of his original birth certificate.
It means people who think Obama may very likely have been born in Hawaii but also note the fact that the COLB has a duality of purpose and identity and therefore is invalid as a sole proof of place of birth unless the origin of the COLB is proved.
It means people who think Obama’s granny is not a liar when she insists that she was present at his birth in Mombassa.
It means people who think Obama was born in Hawaii, but that he is not qualified to be president because of the wording of the Constitution stating that a person has to be a “natural born citizen” and the fact that the legal meaning of that term has been defined on occasion as being born to American citizen parents or at the very least to an American citizen father.
It means people who never even discuss the birthplace of Obama but who wonder why all his records have been so assiduously sealed and kept from public view.
It means people who think he was born in Hawaii but wonder what nation’s passport he used to travel to Pakistan.
It means people who think he was born in Hawaii but wonder how a mediocre stoner student got into prestigious colleges, and who paid his way while he was there.
It seems to be a catch-all phrase supposed to intimidate people by ridiculing them, so they will not ask questions the Left does not want to answer.
It’s used only by drones and dupes.
bmitch
have you ever been to Sanford (not the junk yard in la) ?
I have many times………
if so, tell us where all those 25 k parked?
Well, you can be sure they carpooled, being good little Lefties and all.
Did they clean up after themselves? You know that’s a good way to tell on which side of the political aisle they perch.
Jes’ curious—-is the person counting the number in the howling mob the same one who did the count for the
Million ManThousand Man March?ama
LOL
counting in ebonics?
the RACIST WITCH HUNT and Hispanic LYNCHING continues
Obama gets personal over killing of black Florida teenager…
Urges ‘soul-searching’…
More Miami schools stage mass walk-outs…
Gingrich calls Obama’s Trayvon comments ‘disgraceful’…
Cops: Man threatened to kill police chief at center of case…
Jeb Bush: ‘Stand your ground’ invalid here…
Miami Heat Players Don Hoodies…
‘Dead or Alive’ Poster Issued by New Black Panther Party…
‘BLACKS ARE UNDER ATTACK’ …..JE$$E Jacka$$
BECK: ‘VIOLENCE IN STREETS THIS SUMMER’…
Dramatic Video: Chaos After Quadruple Murder Trial Ends in Not Guilty Verdict
OJ?
Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin
Last weekend in the city of Chicago alone, gangbangers slaughtered ten people and wounded another forty. The youngest fatality is only six years old. The youngest person wounded is only one-year-old. Many of the victim were pedestrians sprayed with bullets in drive by shootings. The national news has said nothing about this.
So why does one shooting in Florida warrant weeks of national news? Why has there been thousands of articles a day, for the last four days, about one single shooting?
Almost all of the news items about George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin contains a combination of false statements, opinions presented as facts, transparent distortions, and a complete absence of some of the most relevant details. Almost all news items are written soley from the point of view of the grieving family. The media also fills their articles with outdated baby-faced pictures of Trayvon. Very few include that he was a towering 6’2” football player. Is the media really reporting the news, or is this classic agitation/propaganda to advance a political agenda.
Continue reading on Examiner.com Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin –
Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next#ixzz1q2q8Oini
Great article……..
What if Trayvon Had Been White, and the Shooter Black?
By Michael Filozof
What would happen if a black man armed with a handgun confronted “suspicious persons” in his neighborhood? What would happen if the “suspicious persons” were unarmed white teens, one of them was shot dead, and the shooter claimed self-defense?
This is not an exercise in mere speculation. We know what would happen in such a case.
There would be no white mobs in the street chanting “No justice, no peace!” There would be no whites holding a “million hoodie march” in New York City. There would be no white equivalent of Al Sharpton, the professional race-baiter behind the 1987 Tawana Brawley hoax, leading marches in the streets of the shooter’s hometown. There would be no Federal civil rights investigation by the Justice Department. There would be no comments from a president who seems congenitally unable to keep his mouth shut on matters involving left-wing political correctness. And there would be no national media attention from biased, left-wing “reporters.”
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/what_if_trayvon_had_been_white_and_the_shooter_black.html#ixzz1q3a9JgYA
This tells it ALL
Click to access Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf
this shows it all
http://peopleagainstshittycop.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/pasc-tr1yv4n.jpg?w=630&h=231
WOWWWWWWW
nesBUTT greenteeth
seems there is already a back lash from the RACIST WITCH HUNT LYNCHING of a Hispanic man by the Racist black community.
Fox’s Geraldo Rivera: “I Think The Hoodie Is As Much Responsible For Trayvon Martin’s Death As George Zimmerman”
Rut Ro………there goes Ubomas base jumping off the RATs ship of fools and racists.
Yeah, but Geraldo might qualify as a white Hispanic.
BREAKING NEWS: Sanford FL Police Chief Steps Down
March 22, 2012
By Lawrence Sinclair
The City of Sanford, FL announced at a press conference this afternoon that Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee would be stepping down from his position temporarily.
Despite the massive media coverage of this case and the usual suspects like Al Sharpton wanting to incite racial unrest we have noticed that not a single media outlet, including Al Sharpton’s MSNBC has published or aired a single photograph of Trayvon Martin which was current, instead pictures of a 13 year old Trayvon have been plastered all over the TV screens, Internet blogs, newspapers and magazines.
Using this tragic death and intentionally publishing photos of a 13 year old to incite racial unrest and bigotry
(no no, not THAT lawrence sinclair)
One of the interesting things about the Trayvon Martin case is, if you Google “Trayvon Martin autopsy results” or “Trayvon Martin defensive wounds” you get NO MATCHES. If you Google Trayvon Martin + autopsy results (without quotes), you get info about the Trayvon Martin case and Whitney Houston autopsy results. If you Google Trayvon Martin + defensive wounds (no quotes), you get info about the Trayvon Martin case and Zimmerman’s defensive wounds. It’s still too early, IMO, to speculate on how this case will end up. The fact that this happened 26 days ago, and Zimmerman has not been arrested, is quite telling, though.
Spook
there was an eye witness present. He emphatically stated that mr Z was on his back with a cut mouth and a split head screaming for help.
This witness attempted to get tra von to stop beating Mr z to no avail, at this point eye witness raced into his apt and called 911 that is when a gunshot rang out.
No matter who or why they were fighting tra von had a legal obligation to stop the beating once mr Z was incapacitated and out of the fight.
He did NOT, and ultimately paid with his life.
Neo,
It won’t surprise me if the Leftists get their riots and possibly a race war out of this, irregardless of the facts. I think that’s why you see our resident Libs so apoplectic about this. They’ve been waiting for such a scenario for a long time.
spook
van jones, piven, the unions, OWS, faracan have all been telling us something was going to happen…..the flash mobs last year were dry runs.
This fell into their lap and the word went out, the US spring has arrived……are you ready for what they are planning?
are you ready for what they are planning?
The entire country would have to be aflame before it would get to us, but, yeah, I’m ready. A lot of young, idealistic Liberals are about to experience their first real be-careful-what-you-wish-for moment, and I’ll bet most of them are not ready.
bmitch
the tee shirts are being silk screened as we speak…….FREE TRA VON……oh wait….
Farrakhan Tweets: ‘Where There Is No Justice, There Will Be No Peace…Law of Retaliation May…Be Applied’
Is the African American community going to attack the Hispanic American community?
This is at the top of the thread, but most have overlooked it. This question is especially applicable to our leftist friends, the ones who claim to be so concerned about 1) crime, 2) the poor little guy, 3) the black community, etc. etc.:
What is really sad it that African-American teens are murdered every day in the inner city for stupid reasons (they are unarmed, outside playing, walking home with candy and drinks, murdered for their shoes or jackets, etc. etc.), but only ONE alleged murder get the national attention from politicians, activists, liberal media and proggy bloggers.
Maybe, because the shooter is “white”. They are not interested in black on black crime. …… If they put the energy into other murders they do on this one maybe they can curb some of the inner city crime and murders. There should be rallies every day for the murders that take place across the country EVERY DAY!
It is truly pathetic.
This incident best describes the actions of our liberal politicians. They only “care” when they can exploit it politically (we have seen the anti-2nd amendment people there and the race baiters) and also “care” around election time. We see these liberal politicians go out into the poor neighborhoods (every 2 or 4 or 6 years), hand out T-shirts and hot dogs, and hold a rally about how they are needed in Washington to “fight for them”. Of course after the election, these politicians are rarely seen back in those neighborhoods until the next election cycle.
As I said, pathetic.
I’ve been listening to various radio talk shows this afternoon, and the clearest image that comes through is that a portion of America has decided it would like to replace the orderly rule of law with mob rule.
There is a process for gathering evidence, analyzing evidence, interviewing witnesses, interviewing suspects, re-interviewing witnesses and suspects, and putting together an orderly and legal case, if there is a case to be made.
But the rabble, and the rabble rousers working to stir them up, want to ditch this whole process, and get right to the gallows, with the mob making the law up as they go along.
In Conflict of Visions Thomas Sowell discusses the two basic visions of life, which later form the attraction to one of the two basic political systems. The Constrained Vision is constrained by process, understanding that process is necessary to mitigate individual error and emotion, and to provide order and continuity, while the Unconstrained Vision folks think that process is not necessary or valuable, and people pretty much ought to be able to change things on the fly.
The more I see of the Left, the clearer the book becomes, as the Left becomes more and more chaotic and dismisses more and more of the processes put in place to mitigate power grabs and things like the mob rule now showing its ugly face.