Making an End of the Nauseating “Race Card” and Other Liberal Lies

The latest blatant, disgusting lie from the left is that the attacks on Holder over “Fast and Furious” are the result of a racist, GOP campaign to discredit and remove Holder because he, and he alone, stand between us and our nefarious plot to suppress the vote.  This is not the first such lie to be floated in our political discourse, but we should make it the last.

Let us stand forth, fellow Americans, between now and November 6th and do what needs to be done to restore decency in our public life.  Enough of race-baiters on the left poisoning America.  Enough of all these liberal groups with their tax-free status and revolving door between them and the bureaucracy.   Enough of essentially paying liberals to slander us.

Obama needs to not just be beaten, but crushed – and after he is crushed it is time for us to go after the left with a will and chase them entirely out of the halls of power.  Go after them – investigate them inside and out.  I’m confident that once we start turning over the rocks we’ll find all sorts of disgusting things scattering in the light.  This is not about revenge – this is about cleansing our public life from a force of people who, essentially via taxpayer subsidy, make life miserable for all Americans who won’t bow the knee to liberalism.  For decades now our liberals have lived on the Big Government gravy train – having nothing to do all day long but devise ever higher taxes, ever more regulations – and ever more smear campaigns against anyone who dissents from liberal orthodoxy.  Holder is just a product of this – and those defending him by accusing us of racism are also a product of this liberalism-government complex designed to, come what may, thwart the rule of law and the will of the American people.

If we want to be free – if we want to preserve our constitutional republic – then it isn’t enough to just beat Obama.  Obama and Holder are not the problem – they are just symptoms of the problem.  If it wasn’t Holder running roughshod over law and justice then it would just be some other liberal.  In order to have real victory, we have to defeat the entirety of the left – we must, that is, destroy all the liberal lies because if one of them lives then the others will revive.

 

 

59 thoughts on “Making an End of the Nauseating “Race Card” and Other Liberal Lies

  1. neocon1's avatar neocon1 June 26, 2012 / 7:16 pm

    This is not the first such lie to be floated in our political discourse, but we should make it the last.

    good luck wit dat………marxism = CPUSA = donk party = alinsky 101 = ends justifying the means = lies.

    GOP?
    good every day Americans who fight hells angles by the queens berry rules, and bring pillows to knife fights.

  2. Cluster's avatar Cluster June 26, 2012 / 9:54 pm

    Great post Mark, I was working on a similar one, but you nailed it. The racism on the left is not only blatant but orchestrated and is ruining this country. The left relies on a government dependent class to be successful and win elections, so what better way to achieve that than to divide people financially and racially and prey on the weak? And Obama has been very successful in diving this country racially, unfortunately, but we did get a sense of who Obama was early on. Remember the “typical white person” comment, or how about “white mans greed runs a world in need”? Well since his election, people like Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, John Conyers and the entire MSNBC network don’t even try and hide their racist views anymore. Of course the only subset of society that receives the brunt of their racist hatred is white men over the age of 40, so they are selective, but that is by design because it leaves a large swath of society to make victims of. The war on women was a contrived issue victimizing women at the hands of evil old white religious guys. The war on immigrants is a contrived issue victimizing “brown” people at the hands of scared old white guys, and the voter ID laws are a war on African Americans suppressing their vote because white guys don’t like Obama. None of this of course has any shred of validity or truth, but it plays well with a dumbed down populace eager to blame someone for their misery. Maybe if they thought about it for a minute, they’d realize that this country was founded by old religious white guys with the intention that those very people would haver he freedom and the voice to express just that. How many countries can you say that about?

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster June 26, 2012 / 10:22 pm

      Speaking of voter ID laws in some states that democrats think are oppressive – voters there have over four months to get an ID if they want to vote. I don’t see the hardship.

  3. Majordomo Pain's avatar Majordomo Pain June 26, 2012 / 10:21 pm

    Brimstone off the blog for now. //Moderator

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster June 26, 2012 / 10:24 pm

      Major,

      How many people are in your head?

      • Majordomo Pain's avatar Majordomo Pain June 26, 2012 / 10:27 pm

        Brimstone off the blog for now. //Moderator

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]'s avatar Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 26, 2012 / 11:34 pm

        Brimstone off the blog for now. //Moderator

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 June 27, 2012 / 9:29 am

        LEGIONS

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 26, 2012 / 10:37 pm

      Find me a conservative or GOPer, ever, who laid the blame for even a single ill of our nation at the feet of blacks or Latinos.

      Caveat – must be someone who was actually a GOPer of some note and not some kook that a liberal dug up under a rock who once upon a time may have had GOP voter registration or attended a TEA Party.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]'s avatar Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 26, 2012 / 10:44 pm

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      • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 26, 2012 / 11:09 pm

        No one will say that in private, either, because it simply isn’t true. Heck, if it weren’t for Obama’s dad having so many different wives then I could probably count more non-white people in my family then he could.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]'s avatar Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 26, 2012 / 11:19 pm

        Brimstone off the blog for now. //Moderator

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]'s avatar Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 26, 2012 / 11:25 pm

        Brimstone off the blog for now. //Moderator

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]'s avatar Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 26, 2012 / 11:27 pm

        Brimstone off the blog for now. //Moderator

  4. Majordomo Pain's avatar Majordomo Pain June 26, 2012 / 10:25 pm

    Brimstone off the blog for now. More racist rants like this will make it permanent. //Moderator

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 26, 2012 / 11:07 pm

      Yeah, nothing like dredging up a report from 2009 – the Summer of Hopium – and using that as a benchmark of GOP prospects. Nothing at all has changed since then.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]'s avatar Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 26, 2012 / 11:23 pm

        Brimstone off the blog for now. //Moderator

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]'s avatar Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 26, 2012 / 11:28 pm

        Brimstone off the blog for now. Further racism will make it permanent. //Moderator .

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]'s avatar Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 26, 2012 / 11:32 pm

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  5. GMB's avatar GMB June 27, 2012 / 5:32 am

    Neo, be of good faith. We are picking off the rinos one by one. They will not be the deciding factor in any of this. They will either take a hard turn towards support of our Constitution or they will fade away to irrelevance.

    We got ourselves into this mess and we must depend not on politicians but , again, ourselves, to get out of it.

    I think we are up to the task.

    Great post Mark. Keep up the good work. 🙂

    Voter ID. I do not know of a state that has a voter ID law that does not provide for a free ID if needed. If you cant prove you have a legal right to vote, you should not be allowed to vote. Period.

    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 June 27, 2012 / 8:55 am

      the whole banned flying monkey show has flapped in LOL
      it must be a slow porno day at the echo chamber of dead demons the pitchfork

      GMB

      We got ourselves into this mess and we must depend not on politicians but , again, ourselves, to get out of it.

      amen to that……but first we must rid our selves of the racist pied pipers and communists on the left.
      Dont forget the vaunted MLK had close ties to communism.

      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 June 27, 2012 / 9:34 am

        speaking of the race card and dumbed down usefull idiots…….

        Rangel Overcomes Early Hole, Declares Victory In Democratic Primary
        Seeking 22nd Term, Congressman Says **** Voters***** Believed He Could Still Do It.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]'s avatar Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 27, 2012 / 10:34 am

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      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]'s avatar Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 27, 2012 / 10:48 am

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    • neocon1's avatar neocon1 June 27, 2012 / 10:06 am

      GMB

      I have to show photo ID to board an aircraft, is that racist?

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]'s avatar Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 27, 2012 / 10:36 am

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      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]'s avatar Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] June 27, 2012 / 10:42 am

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      • neocon1's avatar neocon1 June 27, 2012 / 10:58 am

        Team Obama’s Brother Sharpton Moment

        By Michelle Malkin • June 27, 2012 09:42 AM

        Team Obama’s Brother Sharpton Moment
        by Michelle Malkin

        Attorney General Eric Holder’s people have no shame.

        After months of stonewalling, misinformation and petulant disregard for the victims of the Fast and Furious gunwalking scandal, President Obama’s Justice Department is hiding behind the most despicable race-card demagogues on the planet. “Post-racial” America never looked so bitter, clingy and cowardly.

        At a Tuesday press conference in Washington, D.C., human shield Al Sharpton condemned the upcoming House vote on a contempt motion against Holder as “reckless” and “morally reprehensible.”

        Yes, the infamous hate-crimes hoaxer, cop-basher and riot incitement specialist is now the self-appointed sheriff of Capitol Hill morality

  6. Caveat Emptor, very sorry for my inbred cousins's avatar Caveat Emptor, very sorry for my inbred cousins June 27, 2012 / 1:31 pm

    Does that ban apply to sock puppets?

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 27, 2012 / 4:10 pm

      George W. Bush’s administration embarked on a program they called Wide Receiver, in conjunction with the Mexican government. Basically, in an effort to track guns back to the core of the criminal cells, they made guns available which contained tracking devices, and when the guns were sold to Mexican criminals the Mexican government was notified of the sale.

      It was a failure. The criminals discovered the tracking devices and removed them, Mexican officials for whatever reason were not good at catching the bad guys, and the Bush administration admitted this was a bad idea, that it had failed, and they stopped it.

      A couple of years later the Obama administration picked up on an admittedly and proven failure of a program, modified it so it did not include or even notify the Mexican government, and did not put tracking devices on the guns.

      In other words, the Obama administration did not just double down on a proven failure, they tripled down on it, amplifying the failure factor.

      Brilliant.

      There are some stories that deny the repeated testimony of many federal officials. OK. That happens. This is why all the documentation needs to be provided.

      What we do know is that Holder lied. What we do know is that Mexican civilians were deemed acceptable losses to the Obama administration. What we do know is that thousands of powerful weapons were delivered into the hands of some of the most brutal criminals in the world, due to an Obama/Holder plan that was based on a plan that had been proved to be a failure.

      What is suspected, strongly suspected with a high degree of probability based on information and documentation, is that the true goal of the program was not to interdict gun traffic across the border or find and arrest the heads of these criminal organizations. What is so strongly suspected is that the idea was to flood the area with so many guns that many more civilians would be killed, at which point the claim could be made that what we REALLY need is more gun control.

      Even your own link alludes to this tactic.

      ” ATF and Justice Department officials have reversed themselves. After initially supporting Group VII agents and denying the allegations, they have since agreed that the ATF purposefully chose not to interdict guns it lawfully could have seized. Holder testified in December that “the use of this misguided tactic is inexcusable, and it must never happen again.”

      There’s the rub.

      Quite simply, there’s a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.

      There is testimony by some agents who called to report known bad guys, extremely bad guys, walking out of a gun store loaded down with serious weaponry, who were told to stand back and let them go. I don’t remember if it was FBI agents watching the bad guys who were told to stand down by the ATF, or the other way around, but someone was told to let those guns go. So who DID “…intentionally allow(ed) guns to walk as an operational tactic..” ?

      Another interesting tidbit—-I understand that Officer Terry and his fellow officers, who opened fire on criminals carrying AK-47s, fired first rounds that were bean bags, on specific and direct orders that the first round fired in a border confrontation had to be non-lethal.

      Or, in this case, non-lethal to the criminals but eventually lethal to a conscientious border patrol agent hamstrung by foolish feel-good restrictions from above and facing powerful weaponry supplied by his own government.

      But you just trot on back here, Velma, any time you have some juicy little tidbit from CNN, that convinces YOU of the falsehoods told by the mean old Right against the pure-as-the-driven-snow Left. ‘Cause it’s always interesting to see what swill you have chugged down this week to support your irrational hatreds.

      • Curious's avatar Curious June 27, 2012 / 4:46 pm

        are you saying somebody thought it was ok for a few hundred mexicans to get killed if this could be used for political advantage in the united states?

        mexicans don’t count?

      • freethinker's avatar freethinker June 27, 2012 / 4:54 pm

        Your life must be miserable – with the hate you spew everyday. Must be awful to be you.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 27, 2012 / 5:08 pm

        Awwwww, Velma, there you go projecting again.

        Sorry, sweetie, but I have a great and happy life. I just have little tolerance for fools, which makes you one of those I find so annoying.

        And isn’t it odd that when I point out the sour, nasty, hateful and spiteful tone of YOUR posts all you can do is claim MY life is miserable?

        Well, Vel, take a look at the facts.

        I have a clear, coherent, and well-thought out political ideology, which I chose, which I understand, which I can and do explain and defend. I come to a conservative blog to discuss politics with like-minded people. I do not troll through Lefty blogs, I do not barge into sites for people with conflicting political or social views and rudely attack those views or the people who hold them. I do not base my political views on negative feelings toward other people, but on the postitve aspects of my chosen political allegiance.

        You, on the other hand, clearly do not have a coherent and thoughtful political ideology. If you do, you sure are not willing to share it, and so far you have never explained it or defended it. You do barge, uninvited, into a site which is clearly identified as being conservative-leaning, and then you stomp around sneering at the people who belong here, attacking us and our beliefs, dumping your silly articles on us as if they mean anything, and in general acting like a rude boorish low-class person. As far as I can tell, whatever it is that passes for political allegiance on your part is based mostly on your hatred of the Other, and on a few silly hyper-emotional schoolgirlish swoons about how Obama is such a nice man and a good daddy, blah blah blah.

        So compare us. I am not obsessed with people and events from the past, driven to constantly bring them up to try to explain or justify current hatreds, but you do. I do not intrude on Leftist sites to harangue, lecture or sneer, but you do these things here. I do not seek out Lefties or Pseudo-Lefties like you to attack, but you make a point of coming here to vent your considerable spleen. My political choices are based on the positives of my side, yours is based on what you foolishly think are the negatives of my side.

        And you call ME miserable?

        As for me spewing hate, all I do is chuckle at the wrong-headedness of people like you and point it out. You are the ones who translate that into personal animosity or the “hate” you constantly bleat about. You are like a mosquito who whimpers that he only got smacked out of HATE when in fact he was just annoying.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 27, 2012 / 5:25 pm

        Curious, it does appear that the official stance of the DOJ, and perhaps the White House (now that Barry has as much as admitted his participation in this whole mess by claiming Executive Privilege, which can only apply to what HE knows) was that a certain death count of Mexican civilians was fine with them if it set up a scenario in which they could then become outraged (OUTRAGED!! I tell you!!) at the carnage and use it to justify cracking down on gun ownership in the United States.

        The theory is that the guns first had to come FROM the United States, and be proven to originate here, to be able to be used to claim that it is necessary to limit access to guns here.

        The theory is that this whole mess was set up for that specific purpose: To have guns traceable back to the US in the hands of Mexican criminals, killing innocent civilians, so the government here could try to “fix” this horrible thing by implementing stricter gun control laws here.

        And for such a cold-blooded calculation to be put into play, it was necessary to make a conscious decision, an official decision, about the sacrifice of innocent lives, “for the greater good”.

        That decision was evidently that these lives, the lives of these Mexican citizens, were of no significant value, and could be sacrificed to advance the agenda.

        If we are determined to drag race into this, as the Left is determined to drag it into everything, it looks like a case of black people deciding that brown people are expendable. Without race (including the silly claim that pursuing illegal actions is only occurring because the criminal is black) then it is just a matter of some people deciding that some other people are expendable.

      • tiredoflibbs's avatar tiredoflibbs June 27, 2012 / 6:03 pm

        Ama, just before the scandal broke, obAMATEUR was pushing (along with the Mexican President) a form of international gun control, which they believed would stop the strawman purchases of guns in the US and then transport them to Mexico.

        Amazing that this administration set-up this “tracking” program to create the crisis it “wanted” to prevent.

        I see Velma’s source for “truth” is CNN, who has made it their job to protect obAMATEUR and work towards his reelection. I also see that she guzzles the kool-aid without question. Imagine if this was a NON-PROGGY President! Oh the proggies would be baying at the moon for impeachments and resignations. And their willing accomplices in the media (CNN) and the mindless drones (velma) would be regurgitating the chant along with them.

        Strangely, they are silent and have no outrage for the deaths of these agents by the inept decisions made by the higher-ups in spite of the warnings by agents that this would not work.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 27, 2012 / 6:12 pm

        They also seem to share the attitude of “Hey, it was only a few hundred Mexicans, there are plenty of them and it’s not as if they count anyway…”

      • Diane Valencen, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H [Journ.], ArF J., M.F.'s avatar Diane Valencen, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H [Journ.], ArF J., M.F. June 27, 2012 / 9:31 pm

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      • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 27, 2012 / 9:56 pm

        Diane, your brilliant post is now archived as a perfect example of Leftist idiocy. Thank you so much for your contribution. Had I or any conservative attributed these bizarre attitudes and ideas to a Liberal, we would have been excoriated and attacked for efforts to portray you so negatively.

        For example, you state: “A failed operation to link cartel members to straw purchasers in the state of Arizona was not caused because as many right wing pundits have said “the failure of Obama/Holder, but by the ridiculous laws that allow anyone in Arizona over the age of 18 to buy as many guns as they wish and then “sell or barter them” as they please.”

        Well, Di, you see, the problem here is that Arizona citizens did NOT buy these guns and then trade or sell them to criminals. No, the United States government, under the direction of the DOJ, told licensed gun dealers to sell to people they knew were criminals, and told the FBI to pass their background checks, to make sure that these criminals could purchase the guns from these dealers.

        Some of the dealers were very concerned that they would be prosecuted for selling to these people and were told not only that they would not be in any legal danger but that selling to these people was part of a government program.

        As I said, a similar program was tried, determined to be a failure, and discontinued. Yet Obama and Holder decided to resurrect a failed program and then strip it of the components that might, possibly, have made it work—-the tracking devices on the weapons and the cooperation with the Mexican government. Well that’s just freakin’ GENIUS!!

        But let’s just pretend, for a moment, that your comment makes sense. So just how was this supposed to work? You say it was made necessary by Arizona gun laws allowing people to buy guns and then sell them. OK, how does setting up a system where gun dealers can sell directly to criminals deal with this “problem”? How does FBI clearance of known felons and criminals to buy guns and walk out of the stores with them address, much less solve, this “problem” of citizens being able to buy guns? Just how was this supposed to work?

        But you have, whether you intended it or not, actually supported the theory that this was really about trying to create a scenario in which tightening up gun purchase laws and other gun laws could be justified.

        “The Border Patrol Agent’s parents need to apologize to the AG and the president because in this case it was their conservative love of guns and their ability to make the weakest man among you feel secure against all those vandals at the gates that killed their son.”

        And this is just insane. Boy, talk about blaming the victim! The man, a peace officer trying to enforce the laws of his nation and his state,was gunned down while essentially unarmed himself, due to the fuzzy ‘thinking’ of whoever dictated that these officers be forced to fire nonlethal rounds, by criminals armed by our own government—-and you blame HIS PARENTS!!!!

        Worse than simply insane—–grotesquely toxic and insane.

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster June 28, 2012 / 8:31 am

        Did Diane actually say that Brian Terry’s parents should apologize????

        WOW!!!

        We have no common ground with someone like Diane. Zero. Nada. Nine. Never compromise with someone like Diane – defeating her is the only option.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 28, 2012 / 8:45 am

        Yes. Diane indignantly stated that Brian Terry’s parents should apologize to Holder AND Obama, for the temerity of believing that their Constitutional rights were, well, Constitutional rights.

        Yep, this is what killed their son. Not the weapon provided to his killer by his own government, in an effort to set up an attack on that Constitutional right, and not the moron who dictated that their son be forced to deal with lethal force with BEAN BAGS, but Mom and Dad their own selves.

        Kinda makes you proud to be an American, don’t it?

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 27, 2012 / 6:11 pm

      “They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.”

      Just a few words, but so many questions based on them.

      1. …they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked.. Yet they also …have since agreed that the ATF purposefully chose not to interdict guns it lawfully could have seized…. Well, which is it? They failed to interdict illegal guns when they could have but they didn’t allow them to be trafficked?

      2 “…they seized weapons whenever they could …” Oh, really? Except, I guess, when they didn’t. Back to ……the ATF purposefully chose not to interdict guns it lawfully could have seized…. Whenever they could, except when they didn’t?

      3. “…. hamstrung by prosecutors …” Who? Which prosecutors? How were they “hamstrung”? Prosecutors refused to prosecute? Name names, give specifics. Arrests were made but not prosecuted? Really? When? Where? What reasons were given?

      4. “….weak laws….” What laws were too “weak” and in what way? How and why did these laws, weak or not, interfere with actual interdiction of illegal gun trafficking?

      5. “…….symied at EVERY TURN…” Wow. At every turn, just plain STYMIED, by—-what? Prosecutors who wouldn’t prosecute? Not enough laws on the books?

      In other words, what a load of crap.

      In other words, we need new, bigger, tougher, more complex and far-reaching laws so the ATF can do its job. Laws that make it illegal to sell to criminals. Already got those? Well hell, let’s get some more! Let’s crack down on everyone, just to be sure.

      Our ATF guys are STYMIED so we need to tighten things up.

      Yeah, like we didn’t see that one coming!

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster June 27, 2012 / 7:18 pm

        Amazona,

        Those arguments almost verbatim were just on the Martin Bashir show on MSNBC without one single challenge. What’s funny is that I was talking back to the tv asking the exact same questions you did. “What laws?” “What prosecutors?”.

        Strangely they never got more specific than that. Of course when do liberals ever get specific?

      • tiredoflibbs's avatar tiredoflibbs June 27, 2012 / 8:13 pm

        Yes, that is along the lines of obAMATEUR’s “most economists….blah blah blah” and Algore’s “most scientists…yadda yadda yadda…”.

        When the proggies are asked for specifics they shy away from them or completely ignore the question. We have seen that too many times here…. All they can do, reliably, is regurgitate the party line. Velma has stopped doing so only to post the link for said talking points – apparently the spin and blame are changing too rapidly for most drones to keep up.

      • Diane Valencen, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H [Journ.], ArF J., M.F.'s avatar Diane Valencen, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H [Journ.], ArF J., M.F. June 27, 2012 / 10:06 pm

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      • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 27, 2012 / 10:26 pm

        There is ample testimony that when known criminals tried to buy guns, and had their applications sent in for the mandatory background check, the FBI was told to pass them as this was part of government operation.

        The background check is federal. It was bypassed for this operation.

        Holder lied. He ended up admitting that he lied.

        He is being cited for contempt of Congress because he refuses to provide the documents the House needs to find out who knew what and who did what.

        While you and people like you may have hissy fits all day long about the idea that free people in this country can actually exercise their Constitutional rights, setting up an elaborate scenario like this and putting thousands of people in harm’s way, and contributing to the deaths of hundreds, to create a sense of urgency regarding restricting 2nd Amendment rights is simply wrong.

        And the fact that this exercise made it clear that these lives were expendable is disgusting.

        As for defending the ATF, you go, girl! It’s Holder and the DOJ who set this up and ran it, over the objections of many federal agents, including people from ATF and the FBI.

        Uh, you do understand that it is HOLDER being cited for contempt, don’t you?

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 27, 2012 / 9:33 pm

      Amazona

      You nailed the absolute idiocy of that linked piece – “weak laws” caused F&F’s outrages? It wasn’t the fact that the ATF was assisting in sending the arms which caused it? One would have to be quite a fool to believe the arguments in the piece – which appears to boil down to “brave, Obama-led ATF agents tried to stop the guns (which they let go) but were stymied by weak laws (so, can we enact some more gun control restrictions on Americans who never dreamed of sending arms to the cartels?).”

  7. tiredoflibbs's avatar tiredoflibbs June 27, 2012 / 6:11 pm

    “freethinker” (what a joke), from TIME MAGAZINE AUG. 2009:

    This traffic of heavy weaponry from American gun stores to Mexican drug cartels will once again feature in talks between the U.S. and Mexico when President Barack Obama and Mexican President Felipe Calderón meet at a North American summit in Guadalajara on Aug. 9 and Aug. 10. Mexico with its strict gun laws has long complained that the vast majority of firearms used by the gangs wreaking havoc here are bought in El Norte. Meanwhile, Obama has said — more unequivocally than any previous President — that the U.S. has a responsibility to stop American guns getting into the hands of the mobsters.

    READ IT AGAIN, DRONE!!!

    “Obama has said — more unequivocally than any previous President — that the U.S. has a responsibility to stop American guns getting into the hands of the mobsters.”

    All the while he and Holder were arming the mobsters through Fast and Furious.

    Try again drone. If you are truly a “freethinker”, we can count on your vote against the obAMATEUR come November.

  8. bagni's avatar bagni June 27, 2012 / 11:37 pm

    ama
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    • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 28, 2012 / 8:36 am

      baggy, I bow to the brilliance of your post. The insightful way in which you addressed the points I made, the manner in which you countered each of them with analysis and rebuttal, the precision with which you dismantled my statements and replaced them with your carefully researched data—every word is a pearl of political discourse.

      Well done, little fellow, well done.

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