we are so screwed
term limits, get these VIPRES OUT of OUR HOUSE!!
ClusterFebruary 4, 2013 / 1:06 pm
I am with you neocon – I watched this video with a slack jaw and in utter disbelief at how incompetent and borderline criminal the Senate is under Harry’s leadership. But as long as he has a (D) after his name – all is well. And obviously this doesn’t concern the incompetent man/child in the white house either, who was all about transparency when he campaigned in 2008. Just another one of his lies. But he has Watson’s support because conservatives want no regulations according to Watson, and enhanced interrogation techniques on 3 known jihadists was enough to persuade Casper to become a liberal and support this nonsense too. So that is the level of critical thinking we are up against.
watsonthethirdFebruary 4, 2013 / 9:44 pm
Cluster said, “But he has Watson’s support because conservatives want no regulations according to Watson.”
Yeah, that’s it, Cluster. There’s one reason we still have Harry Reid in the senate: Sharron Angle. Next time run a better candidate.
ClusterFebruary 4, 2013 / 9:54 pm
Next time vote for the person, not the party. Angle would have been infinitely better than Reid. A 5th grader with a meth habit would have been better than Reid.
And if you don’t want me pointing out your absurd claims, then don’t make them.
watsonthethirdFebruary 4, 2013 / 10:37 pm
Cluster, I don’t live in Nevada so I couldn’t vote for either one. But once again, nice try. In any event, it doesn’t alter my point.
ClusterFebruary 5, 2013 / 6:04 am
You don’t have a point Watson, you never have had a point. You support the most corrupt, incompetent politicians of all time yet seem to think you are morally superior to those who oppose you. You’re a complete loser.
ClusterFebruary 5, 2013 / 6:06 am
Tell us once again Watson, how conservatives support the absence of regulations. Moron.
AmazonaFebruary 5, 2013 / 11:58 am
the only point wattie ever has, ever has had, is that s/he is controlled by a compulsion to seek out strangers who have a certain political identification, and then indulge in mindless sniping and a rather creepy pathology of spite and malice.
If I had ever sought out a self-identified Lib blog and posted even one post similar to what the wattle posts here many times a week, the same could be said of me. I’d be as off the rails as wattie is.
But I don’t. As a conservative, I chose a self-identified conservative blog, to discuss conservative ideas and goals and general events. I address Lib trolls, their lies and their pathology and the bizarreness of their commitment to a system they don’t even understand, but this is only after they have invaded this conservative territory to spew their toxic sludge.
And I also contribute articles and links, and ideas.
All wattie is is a drain pipe out of the Liberal sewer, and all wattie wants to do is have it empty into this blog.
Retired SpookFebruary 4, 2013 / 2:29 pm
OT, but this thread isn’t exactly setting the world on fire anyway. I got an email this morning that sounds like a made up story, but, after searching a number of key words on Snopes and Truth or Fiction, I can find anything that refutes it. It certainly sounds like it could be true. Any realtors among our readers that know whether such a scam is doable?
WHILE PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA TAKES THE STAGE AT HIS 2ND INAUGURATION HE TALKS ABOUT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE EVERYONE GETS THEIR “FAIR SHARE” AND A “FAIR SHOT”….
IN GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED HOUSING EVERYWHERE ACROSS AMERICA, PEOPLE ARE SITTING IN THEIR LIVING ROOMS WATCHING THE INAUGURATION ON THEIR BIG SCREEN T.V.’S AND CHEERING HIM ON….
We felt like this was the perfect time to share this IMPORTANT story with you.
Recently, our good friend Michael (a local realtor) shared his experience with
Leisa and I about an “Obama supporter” he encountered while showing
homes to a low income, working family in Pontiac, MI.. We asked him to please
write it down so we could share it with you. YOU SHOULD BE SITTING DOWN WHILE
READING THIS:
As a Realtor for the past 28 years I thought I’d seen or heard it all… Until now.
I was showing homes in Pontiac, MI. one afternoon recently and showed up at a home at the 4:00 pm time my appointment was scheduled for. After I woke up the homeowner, she let us in and then proceeded to tell my buyers and I that she has already entered into a contract to sell the home on a short-sale. (A short-sale is a sale where the banks accepts less money than is owed on the home). After some chit-chat, she proceeded to tell us that she and her sister (who also lived in the area) were
buying each other’s homes via the short-sale process. I mentioned to her that
I thought relatives could not be involved in those transactions. She smiled and
said “We have two different last names so no one knows the difference”.
She went on to tell us that each of them owed over 100K on their homes and were in the process of buying each other’s homes for about 10-15K cash. To top it off, they were each receiving $3,000.00 in government provided relocation assistance at the closing.
My buyers and I were amazed that she was outright admitting to fraud and yet, she continued. She began to tell us that the best part of her scheme was that because they currently were not working that they (both) are now receiving Section 8
Vouchers. I said I thought those were for renters and she said “That’s the
best part; me and my sister are going to be renting each other’s homes so we
don’t even have to move, and Obama is going to give us each $800.00 a month to
pay the rent!” She then picked up a picture she had framed of Obama and did a
little happy dance around her living room and while she kissed the picture she
was singing “Thank you Obama…. thank you Obama.”
So here is the bottom line… Both of these scammers got at least $80,000.00 in debt
forgiven, $3,000.00 in cash for relocation (when in fact they did not relocate) and to boot, you and I will now be paying (through our taxes) $1,600.00 in rent
for each them each and every month…. perhaps forever!
Is it any wonder why so many people have decided that all they have to do is VOTE for the Democrats and they will be taken care of for life at the expense of the taxpayers? I would not be at all surprised if they are receiving food stamps and whatever other programs are available for anyone who is willing to lie to get assistance.
These women went from working and paying about $900.00 each in mortgage payments to staying home and getting paid $800.00 each per month to live in the same home they had been living in and all they had to do was lie on a few papers. This craziness has to stop! I’m sure this kind of fraud is going on each and every day all across the country and no one wants to touch the subject of entitlements because they might OFFEND someone or lose a vote or two.
By the way… she had an almost new SUV in the driveway, three flat screen TV’s and a very nice computer set up in her living room which was furnished entirely with nice leather furniture.
IT’S THE NEW ‘AMERICAN WAY’…..
For all of the “do-gooder’s” who voted for Obama to help the “less fortunate”….CHEERS…..
Now if this is a true story, or even a made up story that’s based on a real scam, then…….well, the only thing I can say, I wouldn’t say on a family blog.
neocon01February 4, 2013 / 3:35 pm
Karl Rove has declared war* on the Tea Party Movement. Our response? BRING IT!
Tea Party EMail | 2/4/2012 | Tea Party Staff
Establishment Republicans like Karl Rove has diluted what is supposed to be the conservative principles and message of the Republican Party. In a misguided attempt to ‘appeal to moderates’, Rove and his ilk have alienated conservatives within the Republican Party and sent the Democrats a clear message. They have no spine.
Rove has some nerve attacking a movement that infused the right with such enthusiasm that it gave the Republican Party its biggest gains in 2010. If he wants to point the finger of blame at anyone, he needs only look in the mirror for it was Rove that was the primary driver in Bush’s becoming the second biggest spender of all time, right behind Barack Obama. This caused the Republican Party to lose all credibility for fiscal conservatism in 2006, paving the way for Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and eschewing in Barack Obama and the freedom sucking ObamaCare.
This is war, my fellow Patriots. It is shameful that we are not only at war with the Progressive Democrat Party whose objective is to ‘fundamentally transform America’ and wipe away the death, sweat, and tears that were paid by those that came before us so that we might have freedom. But now, RINO Rove has made it plainly evident that he lacks commitment to the principles of a constitutionally limited government, personal responsibility, fiscal sanity, and freedom by declaring war on a group of every day Americans who only want to preserve the America that our founders left for us for the generations to come. Help us fight Karl Rove in showing him that the Tea Party Movement is not going anywhere HERE.
Does Rove believe that Americans should be enslaved to a government that views their hard earned money as belonging to government first? Does Rove believe that government should have the power to decide which guns we should be allowed to own and have the power to limit our Second Amendment rights? Does Rove believe that Americans should be silenced and shamed from fighting for the freedoms that are guaranteed and promised to us within the Constitution? That is precisely the message that he is sending by declaring war on the good people within the Tea Party Movement.
Ladies and gentlemen, we must not let this stand! We must band together to send a message to Karl Rove that America is worth fighting for; the Constitution is worth standing for; our freedoms are worth every single stance, word, and action that we take to maintain. Unlike Karl Rove, we are not funded by millionaires and billionaires. Our funding comes in the average amount of $43 from every day moms, dads, grandmas, grandpas, and singles who have a common bond….a belief in the United States of America and a desire to fight for her. Please help us fight establishment Republicans like Karl Rove who see you as a threat.
ClusterFebruary 4, 2013 / 6:28 pm
This is priceless:
(Reuters) – Standard & Poor’s said it expects to be the target of a U.S. Department of Justice civil lawsuit over its mortgage bond ratings, the first federal enforcement action against a credit rating agency over alleged illegal behavior tied to the recent financial crisis.
This is priceless – let’s ignore Jamie Gorelick’s, Franklin Raines, Barney Franks, Fannie’s and Freddie’s involvement and go after S&P. Makes perfect sense.
ClusterFebruary 4, 2013 / 9:26 pm
Pretty sad commentary when a video of a sitting Senator is shown, decrying the actions, or inactions as it were, of the US Senate and their non compliance with the Constitution in regards to submitting budgets, and exposing the fact that the members of the Senate don’t even read pending legislation before voting on it, garners no comments of concern or outrage.
We get the government we deserve folks.
M. NoonanFebruary 4, 2013 / 9:30 pm
The thing is, I’ll bet 80% of the American people don’t know this – some got their very first inkling of it with the passage of ObamaCare…3,000 pages which Nancy said we had to pass before we could find out what’s in it! Some people thought she was making a joke – the fact is SHE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT WAS IN IT. Assured by her staffers – I’m sure – that it was chock full of stuff a liberal would love, she pushed it through…I’d like a Republican to insert a rider in to a bill which requires Reid to get an atomic wedgie and see what happens…because I assure you, no one on Reid’s side will read it before passage.
But Paul is on the right track – and we need more Senators and House members to just stand up and do just this: point out that no one can know what is in these bills being passed…and then use that fact against the politicians who voted in favor. Take a few seconds of Paul saying that its 600 pages and only arrived on his desk this AM…and then cut to “Senator So and So got the bill at the same time; he voted for it. Did he know what he was voting for?”. That can be a devastating attack not just on individual House and Senate members, but on the ruling class, in general. It is something which would gravely embarrass … they have no answer to the question: why did you vote yes on a bill you couldn’t possibly have read? It is a way to start eroding the strength of incumbency…all that supposed knowledge and skill which is really just a bunch of BS…most of those in Congress aren’t knowledgeable or skillful – heck, they don’t even know how to legislate. They can just manage the trick of getting elected and re-elected…staffers and lobbyists do all the work and the Congresscritters just vote as they’re told.
neocon01February 5, 2013 / 8:47 am
They can just manage the trick of getting elected and re-elected
gerrymandering and racist voting blocks have produced the dumbest morons ever to set foot on the planet being in charge.
ClusterFebruary 5, 2013 / 6:10 am
Hey Casper, this one is for you:
A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” — even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.
Knowing how you claimed that waterboarding made you run to the arms of democrats and embrace liberalism, I am sure that this report from the Obama administration will have you coming back to conservatism. Right? I don’t know who the biggest loser is, you or Watson.
neocon01February 5, 2013 / 8:44 am
cluster
Right? I don’t know who the biggest loser is, you or Watson.
WOW that is a tough one, catspuke pro ports to be edumicated and he is a “teacher”, waspstooge is just a Fn useful idiot. Sounds like a toss up to me.
AmazonaFebruary 5, 2013 / 11:44 am
Well, if a procedure approved by courts and applied to our own people before being used to interrogate terrorists, making them fearful and uncomfortable for a short period of time but not inflicting permanent harm, will drive a conservative casper into the arms of the Left, actually KILLING AMERICAN CITIZENS without indictment or trial, just on suspicion, ought to have him volunteering at the closest GOP headquarters by the end of the week.
Retired SpookFebruary 5, 2013 / 12:56 pm
ought to have him volunteering at the closest GOP headquarters by the end of the week.
Don’t hold your breath.
j6206February 5, 2013 / 6:50 pm
What’s your opinion of this Cluster? Are you for it or against?
ClusterFebruary 5, 2013 / 7:06 pm
I am against this. It’s too arbitrary.
dbschmidtFebruary 5, 2013 / 1:10 pm
Read something interesting this morning which is kind of OT on this thread but would involve the CongressCritters so I thought I would post it.
If they want a background check / Photo ID for every gun purchase (which I could agree with if it was a real background check and no information except failures for prosecutions were kept) then I also want a Photo ID / check done on every voter. I mean, one constitutional right is no more important than any other–correct? Well, except the 2nd protects all of the others.
Instant background check for gun purchases–Instant background check for voting. Sounds fair? Right? Tag an amendment or rider to any and all background check bills. See if Dingy Harry will vote on that.
ClusterFebruary 5, 2013 / 2:02 pm
Seems reasonable to me but be prepared to be called a racist by our leftists.
neocon01February 5, 2013 / 4:58 pm
DB
we could start with the POS kenyan……..
ClusterFebruary 5, 2013 / 3:45 pm
I heard Rush earlier make a great comparison with the Obama regimes consideration of “killing” Americans with drone strikes if they are to be “deemed” terrorists or in association with AQ. He said – “had this provision been in place during the Nixon administration, could this have included Bill Ayers and the Weathermen?”
Brilliant.
It’s a shame that it wasn’t in place during that time. In addition, he said, “isn’t it ironic that we can now kill these terrorists, but we can’t waterboard them”
Casper, do you need the address and phone number of your local GOP office?
neocon01February 5, 2013 / 5:01 pm
cluster
“had this provision been in place during the Nixon administration, could this have included Bill Ayers and the Weathermen?”
How about calypso louie and the OWS? Im in!
neocon01February 5, 2013 / 5:23 pm
harry reids senate, and bath house barrys ameriKa.
sure take away MY guns………
Drudge
Flash Mobs Turning Into Epidemic On NYC Streets; NYPD Powerless…
CHICAGOLAND: Police To No Longer Respond Immediately To Burglaries, Car Thefts…
REPORT: Miami-Dade Police Officers Caught on Camera Ignoring Emergency Calls…
neocon01February 5, 2013 / 5:34 pm
liberal utopia
3 People Stabbed On NYC Subway Platform…
neocon01February 7, 2013 / 2:02 pm
lil freddyschwartsputz
you’re a frightened little bigot
Frightened? little? bigot? ….THREE strikes and yer out forker.
PS
Ill tell Drudge to quit posting the raaacist news, and the FBI for those raaaacist crime stats……
ROTFLMAO!!!
GMBFebruary 5, 2013 / 5:27 pm
Casper, what do you think of barkys kill list? I can just think of how apeshit you would have been had Dubya had one.
02casperFebruary 5, 2013 / 9:21 pm
GMB,
I agree with j6206, extrajudicial killing of American Citizens should not be allowed.
AmazonaFebruary 5, 2013 / 9:33 pm
Oh, so you are “against” this, eh, cappy?
Let me repeat my earlier observation.
“Well, if a procedure approved by courts and applied to our own people before being used to interrogate terrorists, making them fearful and uncomfortable for a short period of time but not inflicting permanent harm, will drive a conservative casper into the arms of the Left, actually KILLING AMERICAN CITIZENS without indictment or trial, just on suspicion, ought to have him volunteering at the closest GOP headquarters by the end of the week.”
You CLAIM that the first procedure I mentioned, which had been approved by courts, which was administered to our own people as part of training, which caused severe discomfort but no lasting effects, used on foreign enemies of the United States to try to save thousands of lives, still accounted for part of your shift to the Left.
Now all you can say regarding out-and-out killing, without indictment, without trial, of AMERICAN CITIZENS, just on suspicion, is a limp little murmur that you are “against” it.
Gee, casper, don’t tell us that that whole “waterboarding made me a Liberal” thing was just a lie!
j6206February 5, 2013 / 10:05 pm
Amazona-
What US courts have approved waterboarding? I may be mistaken but I think the only reason the practitioners of waterboarding haven’t been tried for crimes is because of prosecutorial discretion.
So waterboarding under Bush was a primary factor in your decision to change allegiance and embrace the Democratic party, but killing Americans under Obama merely solicits mild disapproval.
It came out this week that the administration (Leon Panetta) admitted that water boarding, in fact, provided information to get bin Laden.
The lefty talking point “obama got bin laden” would not exist if it weren’t for water-boarding.
Water-boarding know terrorists under Bush …. bad and illegal!
Drone killing American “suspected” terrorists under obAMATEUR … good and legal!
Does anyone else see the disconnect?
AmazonaFebruary 5, 2013 / 11:10 pm
6206, my mistake—it was the Justice Department that approved of waterboarding. Lots of people called it torture, more did not. Keep in mind that those bleating the loudest about “torture” also classify things like being subjected to loud music as “torture”, basically using the term to describe anything that makes anyone feel uncomfortable.
dbschmidtFebruary 5, 2013 / 11:44 pm
With consideration that every American soldier (at least Navy & Marines) that attends Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) training goes through water-boarding at least once–I figure what is good enough for us is good enough for the pinnacle of captives for information retrieval. It does work when administrated correctly.
Then again, the living and working conditions of an average Marine infantry unit is too severe (in their feeble little minds) for anyone from prisoners to battlefield combatants.
01canadianobserverFebruary 6, 2013 / 8:35 am
“Keep in mind that those bleating the loudest about “torture” also classify things like being subjected to loud music as “torture”, basically using the term to describe anything that makes anyone feel uncomfortable.”…Amazona
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Why, of course,, Amazona, being subjected to the ‘torture’ of loud music is indeed the uncomfortable equivalent to having water poured into my nose and mouth while strapped on my back on an inclined platform, with my feet above my head. As my sinus cavities and mouth fill with water, my gag reflex causes me to expel air from my lungs, leaving me unable to exhale and unable to inhale without aspirating water. I’m sure, you, Amazona, being the strong Frontier woman that you are, would have no hesitation in subjecting yourself to the ‘uncomfortable’ feeling of waterboarding.
ClusterFebruary 6, 2013 / 9:18 am
Canadian,
Curious as to your thoughts on Obama’s desire to kill Americans and foreign combatants thru drone strikes vs the “uncomfortable feeling” (as you described it) of being water boarded. And why do you think Amazona should be subjected to water boarding? Can she not endorse the practice against known foreign enemies without having to endure the treatment herself? You support abortion, but have never been subjected to that treatment – so please tell me the difference.
Retired SpookFebruary 6, 2013 / 9:22 am
I’m sure, you, Amazona, being the strong Frontier woman that you are, would have no hesitation in subjecting yourself to the ‘uncomfortable’ feeling of waterboarding.
Key word, CO, being “uncomfortable”, but, nevertheless, a technique that, as DB notes, any member of the U.S. military that goes through SERE training experiences.
You support abortion, but have never been subjected to that treatment – so please tell me the difference.
What a marvelous point, but maybe not a safe assumption.
01canadianobserverFebruary 6, 2013 / 9:56 am
Cluster
February 6, 2013 at 9:18 am #
Canadian,
Curious as to your thoughts on Obama’s desire to kill Americans and foreign combatants thru drone strikes
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Drone strikes that target citizens of the country you are sworn to protect is reprehensible, Cluster. If this is the President’s desire, he has a lot to answer for.
AmazonaFebruary 6, 2013 / 10:41 am
CO, just a hint—you might seem marginally less irrelevant and obnoxious if you would stop inventing things that were not said, so you could sneer at them.
Aside from your effete urban metrosexual crisis of confidence, as seen in your comment about me being a “Frontier Woman”, there is the fact that I simply did not equate waterboarding with being forced to listen to loud music.
Rather, I pointed out that shrill hysterics like you have tried to call anything that causes any level of discomfort “torture” and gave some examples, not going into the loving detail you did to describe each one.
I stopped short of my real complaint, which is that shrill hysterics like you have trivialized the word, which is despicable, as true torture is an abomination and atrocity.
01canadianobserverFebruary 6, 2013 / 11:46 am
“I pointed out that shrill hysterics like you have tried to call anything that causes any level of discomfort “torture”…” Amazona.
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Really? If anyone is being hysterical here, it’s you, Amazona. To assume that I would categorize loud music as ‘torture’ is quite a stretch and to say that I would call anything that causes any level of discomfort ‘torture’ is just plain ridiculous. Making absurd statements and then trying to walk them back by name calling seems to be your MO; no surprise there.
AmazonaFebruary 6, 2013 / 8:47 pm
CO, I shouldn’t have to always be giving you Libs lessons in basic reading comprehension, but you (plural you) seem to be sadly in need of constant tutorials.
I said: “Keep in mind that those bleating the loudest about “torture” ALSO classify things like being subjected to loud music as “torture”, basically using the term to describe anything that makes anyone feel uncomfortable.”
You falsely misstated this as a claim that waterboarding is no more unpleasant than having to listen to loud music.
I corrected you.
Now you are doubling down on your stupidity by misstating what I said, again.
” To assume that I would categorize loud music as ‘torture’ is quite a stretch and to say that I would call anything that causes any level of discomfort ‘torture’ is just plain ridiculous. ”
Well, as I specifically referenced “..those bleating the loudest..” if you choose to place yourself in that category, I guess you know best.
I realize that your thought processes are so disorganized that any data that finds its way into them stands a good chance of being distorted and reassembled into something not related to its original form, but that is pretty typical of you Libs.
If I cared, I might wonder if you really are that stupid, or just that dishonest, knowing of course that with you the two are not mutually exclusive. But I don’t care. All I know is that you ARE dishonest, you DO sound stupid, and you are extremely tiresome.
What is more relevant is that you have this weird compulsion to go online, seek out a blog frequented by self-identified political conservatives in another country, and then make mindless attacks on these strangers. That’s a pathology I simply do not understand, but being exposed to it so much here I find it increasingly creepy.
What a sad, empty and angry little life you must lead, to be so obsessed with such a negative compulsion.
M. NoonanFebruary 6, 2013 / 10:25 pm
Canadian,
None of us doubt that waterboarding is horrendous; none of us would state otherwise than that we hope never to have to undergo such a thing; none of us, also, would assert other than that we wish it weren’t necessary…but we’re dealing in the Islamist terrorist groups with people who are fallen in to depths upon depths of evil…these are the people, after all, who cold-bloodedly plan the murder of innocent people; who, indeed, deliberately hide behind women and children so that if they are attacks, innocents are certain to die, thus allowing them to use the blood of the innocent as a propaganda tool. In short, we’re dealing with people who are rough customers and some times have to be dealt with rather harshly.
As I’ve said before – and I’ll always say – no foreign terrorist (or even an American citizen caught operating with terrorists in foreign lands) has a right to remain silent. Those Constitutional protections are for people civilized enough to treat decently. A terrorist’s life is forfeit – he is outlaw in the traditional sense of the word: any decent person coming across such a creature as a terrorist is fully justified in killing him out of hand. That we don’t kill them is an act of extreme forbearance on our part…and in return for this mercy, the terrorist must tell all he knows, and if he won’t voluntarily talk, he must be compelled to do so.
01canadianobserverFebruary 7, 2013 / 7:44 am
Haha, just as expected, we get another one of your convoluted responses, Amazona.
AmazonaFebruary 7, 2013 / 10:00 am
Ouch. Well, not really. Was that supposed to sting? Nervous tittering doesn’t really impact me, so the hahaha just struck me as more of your effete fluttery snottiness.
Evidently you had to chime in with this limp little effort because the following struck home for you:
“What is more relevant is that you have this weird compulsion to go online, seek out a blog frequented by self-identified political conservatives in another country, and then make mindless attacks on these strangers. That’s a pathology I simply do not understand, but being exposed to it so much here I find it increasingly creepy.”
You may try to dismiss it as “convoluted” but I’d call it “insightful”.
01canadianobserverFebruary 7, 2013 / 12:02 pm
Amazona
February 7, 2013 at 10:00 am #
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Don’t you ever get tired of posting the same old harangue over and over again, Amazona. Time to haul out the dictionary and find some new words to hurl at us scary, no-nothing Liberals.
j6206February 5, 2013 / 6:37 pm
This should be investigated, this is unconstitutional. I agree with you GMB, extrajudicial killing of American Citizens by the President must not be allowed. And I like Barky.
M. NoonanFebruary 5, 2013 / 10:52 pm
To me, it does depend on the circumstances – if an American citizen is situated inside a terrorist training camp, for instance, then I figure he’s de-facto renounced his citizenship and he has to take his chances as all terrorists do…and if a US drone strike kills him then that is just the wages of being a terrorist.
But I do find it astounding that as Obama has retained every single Bush Administration terrorist protocol (except waterboarding – which never killed anyone) and, indeed, has expanded the scope of the Bush anti-terror protocols, the same liberals who were screaming bloody murder and demonstrating in the streets can hardly muster a peep about it…
ClusterFebruary 6, 2013 / 8:17 am
Mark,
That is why I am initially against this. It is a sweeping provision addressing a minor problem. There simply are not that many Americans that have taken up arms with the Taliban or AQ. If we know and suspect some Americans engaged in treason, and we do, then investigate them individually and make exceptions for them, and them alone.
GMBFebruary 5, 2013 / 10:45 pm
barky is now judge, jury, and executioner. Had a repub done this you proggies would have screamed murder. Your silence is deafening. Where is the outrage? Where are the protesters in the streets calling out the potus?
How about another movie fantasizing about the death of an American President?
Mild disapproval indeed.
neocon01February 6, 2013 / 8:40 am
we have already used snipers, tanks, helicopters by the US govt to MURDER American children and women.
1. Ruby Ridge
2. Waco.
this came to an end when a US Soldier gave it back to them in spades.
neocon01February 6, 2013 / 8:57 am
Here is my take on it……….IF you are in a ***foreign country*** fighting with arms against US forces YOU ARE a LEGITIMATE battle field target.
As a Marine if I were in Iraq and you had a rifle (etc) and were fighting for the other side and I knew you were an American I WOULD TARGET you with a head shot if I had the opportunity.
ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN and DOMESTIC!!
neocon01February 6, 2013 / 5:11 pm
ANOTHER BRAIN DEAD IDIOT attempts to speak……
Chris Rock: Obama Is ‘Our Boss’, the ‘Dad of the Country’…’And When Your Dad Says Something, You Listen’
“And when you don’t, it will usually bite you in the a** later on.”
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NO DUMBASS, bathouse barry is an ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE,,,……a PUBLIC SERVANT!!!!!
neocon01February 6, 2013 / 5:36 pm
The great one with the dope head
neocon01February 6, 2013 / 5:36 pm
here
j6206February 6, 2013 / 6:03 pm
Are you cheering Tim McVeigh? If so you are a bigger dope than I thought.
j6206February 6, 2013 / 6:33 pm
Did I say anything about Ruby Ridge or Waco? No, I did not. But the tone of your 8:40 am post seemed to cheer McVeigh’s murder of innocents. You must be proud.
neocon01February 6, 2013 / 6:47 pm
j1360
*******seemed to cheer*******
by that same BS standard YOU seemed to cheer the deaths of women and children by govt snipers, tanks, flame throwers, and torture.
you must be sooo proud of bathouse barry who now wants to out do KKKlintoon and the lesbo.
AmazonaFebruary 6, 2013 / 8:53 pm
neo, I have to agree that you seem to think that McVeigh’s action was somehow justified by Ruby Ridge and Waco, and if this is what you meant I find it despicable.
McVeigh did not “give it back to THEM in spades”….he did not attack armed representatives of an oppressive administration, but in the most cowardly way possible targeted innocents, including children.
And if government abuses DID “come to an end” it was not because a slimy disgusting mentally disturbed coward blew up a few hundred innocent civilians.
I wish you would think before you type, and if you think like this I wish you would not type at all.
neocon01February 7, 2013 / 10:16 am
Ama
neo, I have to agree that you ***seem*** to think that McVeigh’s action was somehow justified by Ruby Ridge and Waco, and if this is what you meant I find it despicable.
I dont know HOW you and j1369 came away with my alleged support of Mc Veigh, there WAS and IS none. It was an observation PERIOD!!!!
My point was we had a despicable cowardly government incinerating US citizens, attacking women and children with snipers, tanks, automatic weapons, “torture” every much as bad or worse than McVeigh wrought.
Our government people are meant to protect us not MURDER us en mass because of political ideology.
McVeigh by his own words said his action was DIRECT retribution for RR and Waco and an out of control government against her citizens.
I merely stated after McVeigh’s “blow back” against an out of control government this type of action ceased.
You be the judge if TM was a patriot hero, or dastardly coward.
I DID NOT make that judgement.
This is now what bathouse barry is planning on returning government to, right after he disarms us.
neocon01February 7, 2013 / 10:37 am
Ama
you may want to read ONE mans OPINION on the FBI buildings bombing…..
Cluster said, “You don’t have a point Watson, you never have had a point. ”
Ah, more insults. First, YOU brought me into this thread. Second, I said, “There’s one reason we still have Harry Reid in the senate: Sharron Angle. Next time run a better candidate.” I realize that the basic point eludes you, but apparently it doesn’t elude your boy, Karl Rove, who’s new goal is to weed out loser candidates like Sharron Angle.
cluster: “You don’t have a point Watson, you never have had a point. ”.
…and again watty, you prove cluster correct!
ClusterFebruary 7, 2013 / 2:17 am
Watson,
It took you a day to think of and come back with that response?? I always knew liberals were slow but you just raised the bar.
AmazonaFebruary 7, 2013 / 3:17 am
Cluster, so now we know—it’s YOUR fault! What were you thinking of? The next time you decide to “bring in” a loser like the wattle to a thread, try to rein in the impulse, OK?
‘Cause, you know, the wart didn’t just do what he does and barge into a discussion to spread a little/lot of that wattle crap. No, he was just minding his own business, for a change, and then you had to go “bring him in” to the thread.
Next thing we know, he’ll be claiming he is really a smart guy, savvy about politics, and quite capable and eager when it comes to explaining and defending his Liberal allegiance.
And you know he has to have one, because just sniffing around conservative web sites to have an excuse to snarl at strangers because they actually do have a coherent political philosophy would mark him as a total loser.
So if none of us goes out of our way to BRING HIM IN, maybe he’ll slope off to some place where he can hang with his own kind.
ClusterFebruary 7, 2013 / 2:43 am
Here again, we prove Watson has no point – zero, nada, zippo
“Look, I want to be clear about this,” Rove said. “Crossroads is second to none in support of tea party candidates. In 2010 and ‘12, we spent over $30 million for Senate candidates who were tea party candidates. We raised almost $20 million for House candidates who were tea party candidates.”
According to Rove, in 2010 his group had spent $2.9 million on Sen. Marco Rubio, $2.7 million on Sen. Rand Paul, $5.1 million for Sharon Angle in Nevada, $8 million in Colorado for Ken Buck and $1.4 million in Pennsylvania for Pat Toomey.
I would like to congratulate all the liberals here from refraining from any comment on the actual thread, which is tantamount to full endorsement of Harry Reid and his brand of politics and style of governance. Good to know that all of you see no reason why the country should actually have a budget, that legislation from the House should actually be brought to the floor and debated, and that the Senate should consider giving the President unilateral authority on raising the debt ceiling.
It was only 5 short years ago that liberals, and Obama, believed that spending our “grand childrens money” was morally wrong, deficit spending was “taking out a credit card from China”, and that the minority party was being patriotic by opposing the majority. Interesting how your principles have changed.
Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]February 7, 2013 / 11:01 am
Cluster you don’t actually want Liberal/Progressive opinions here anyway. If you want an open and honest debate without censorship in any form why don’t I report this at my blog and we can go at it all day long.
ClusterFebruary 7, 2013 / 11:20 am
Open and honest debate? Since when has any liberal came here with that intent? I would welcome any liberal to have an open and honest debate. The closest I have seen come to it is James, who openly admitted that he support subverting the Constitutional governance of this country.
You can begin the “open and honest” debate by telling me what you think of Harry’s stewardship of the Senate.
watsonthethirdFebruary 7, 2013 / 11:58 am
My favorite B4V moderation was when I simply updated the popular vote count of the 2012 presidential election. That was deemed too controversial for the B4V moderator, so the post was deleted.
AmazonaFebruary 7, 2013 / 12:26 pm
You have no idea why your post was removed, and neither do I, but I can say with confidence that you have never even APPROACHED being “controversial”, sticking as you do to your comfort zone of just trying to be as obnoxious as possible.
watsonthethirdFebruary 7, 2013 / 11:56 am
Cluster, only an ignoramus would not recognize what Karl Rove is doing. I Googled Karl Rove in the news section and this is the first article that came up:
“Karl Rove has launched a new group, the Conservative Victory Project, which will aim to select GOP Senate candidates, weeding out future Todd Akins and squashing the prospects of anyone deemed unelectable.”
I realize its from the “mainstream media,” so its probably nothing but lies in your opinion.
As for taking a day to respond: unlike you, I actually have a life outside of this blog. Have a nice day!
AmazonaFebruary 7, 2013 / 12:24 pm
wattie, if you do have “a life outside of this blog” then why do you spend so much time skulking around its edges looking for things to snarl and sneer at?
And why do you give a flip about Karl Rove,or the GOP, or any of this? The most notable thing about your posts is their lack of political content. All you care about is hurling insults at others.
Perhaps if you had it in you to explain why you believe the Leftist, big-central-government political model is the best way to govern the United States, perhaps of you could defend your position, perhaps if you could mount a coherent argument supporting it such as examples of this model’s success in the past, perhaps if you could actually engage in POLITICAL DISCOURSE, you would not come off as such a total irrelevant gasbag.
According to you and your kind, the GOP is in a death spiral, conservatism is dead, the nation is securely moving toward the Left, so you should be off enjoying this life you claim to have “outside of the blog” instead of obsessively nitipicking about conservative people you dislike.
ClusterFebruary 7, 2013 / 12:50 pm
Good call Watson, let’s not go with what Rove actually says, or where he actually spends his money, let’s go with what ABC reports. Do you even have two respectable brain cells to rub together?
And you have a nice day too sport.
watsonthethirdFebruary 7, 2013 / 1:13 pm
Look Amy, you guys complain when I don’t respond fast enough, and you complain that I’m “skulking around” this blog when I do. You complain that people who voice dissenting opinions are blog vandals, and yet you bring up those very same people when they haven’t even participated.
I didn’t have any intention of posting in this thread, but your pal Cluster is so obsessed that he brings me up in every thread, putting words into my mouth. Maybe if you guys were capable of discussing the topics that YOU raise, without speculating about what other posters might say, and without ridiculing other posters before they even participate in the thread, you might have a better blog. But obviously you are not capable of that.
All I said is that “There’s one reason we still have Harry Reid in the senate: Sharron Angle. Next time run a better candidate.” The comment was on topic. It’s also true. And from that, nothing but ridicule.
I didn’t put words in your mouth Watson. You clearly stated the other day that you disagree with the conservative position that the “absence” of regulations leads to prosperity. In fact, your exact quote was:
Because there are many things stated here that I don’t agree with. For example, when someone says words to the effect that doing away with regulation and that will lead to prosperity. That’s a simplistic, non-starter.
So again, don’t make absurd claims if you don’t want to be called out on it.
ClusterFebruary 7, 2013 / 1:46 pm
Look Watson, if you or Freddie or any other liberal can have a rational debate absent the ridiculous and cartoonish mindset that conservatives are racist, homophobic, religious zealots who want no regulations, then by all means – let’s debate.
neocon01February 7, 2013 / 2:12 pm
cluster
Watson, if you or Freddie or any other liberal can have a rational debate absent the ridiculous and cartoonish mindset that conservatives are racist, homophobic, religious zealots who want no regulations,
No way, it is who they are……”USEFUL IDIOTS”
neocon01February 7, 2013 / 2:25 pm
ask dingey harry WHY??
‘Homeland’ to Buy 22 Million MORE Rounds of Ammunition…
‘Homeland’ to Buy 22 Million MORE Rounds of Ammunition…
Must be expecting some trouble.
neocon01February 7, 2013 / 3:12 pm
FactCheck.org: Sen. Reid Caught Making False Claims About Spending Cuts
neocon01February 7, 2013 / 3:20 pm
Must be expecting some trouble.
LOOKING for trouble to happen so they can justify their illegal and unconstitutional suppression of average Americans, and the constitution.
take the tra von martin shooting…..racists fanned the flames of hatred forcing the government to politically lynch a man legally fighting for his life.
THEY hate the Florida SYG and will use this SCAM to try to get it reversed.
AmazonaFebruary 7, 2013 / 3:49 pm
wattle, once again you completely misstate what was said. No one “complained” that you didn’t “answer fast enough”. What a bizarre spin to put on the comment that it took you a whole day to come up with the feeble excuse for a post that you finally produced.
It was not a complaint that it took you so long to answer—that would imply an interest in your response, anticipation of hearing what you had to say, and disappointment that the wait was so long. None of these, obviously, is even close to the truth, which is that Cluster observed that even after a day to think it over you still couldn’t come up with anything worthwhile.
But thanks for the peek into the mixmaster that is your brain, where what comes out bears no resemblance to what went in and where your ego has you convinced that anyone has EVER complained that you were not around, and that you are capable of producing anything that anyone would find intimidating, threatening, or “controversial”.
I’m starting to see why you have to skulk around the Internet to find groups of strangers upon whom you can impose your sour, snarly, hostile, personality. Who would tolerate you in person?
And before you snap to your default response of “I know what you are but what am I?” remember that I belong here, I am here because it is a conservative blog and I am a conservative, that I often post things of interest to other conservatives, that I am not afraid to engage in actual political discourse when I find a Lefty willing to do so, and that my negative comments are always in response to the presence of blog vandals like you.
Blogs For Victory 
we are so screwed
term limits, get these VIPRES OUT of OUR HOUSE!!
I am with you neocon – I watched this video with a slack jaw and in utter disbelief at how incompetent and borderline criminal the Senate is under Harry’s leadership. But as long as he has a (D) after his name – all is well. And obviously this doesn’t concern the incompetent man/child in the white house either, who was all about transparency when he campaigned in 2008. Just another one of his lies. But he has Watson’s support because conservatives want no regulations according to Watson, and enhanced interrogation techniques on 3 known jihadists was enough to persuade Casper to become a liberal and support this nonsense too. So that is the level of critical thinking we are up against.
Cluster said, “But he has Watson’s support because conservatives want no regulations according to Watson.”
Yeah, that’s it, Cluster. There’s one reason we still have Harry Reid in the senate: Sharron Angle. Next time run a better candidate.
Next time vote for the person, not the party. Angle would have been infinitely better than Reid. A 5th grader with a meth habit would have been better than Reid.
And if you don’t want me pointing out your absurd claims, then don’t make them.
Cluster, I don’t live in Nevada so I couldn’t vote for either one. But once again, nice try. In any event, it doesn’t alter my point.
You don’t have a point Watson, you never have had a point. You support the most corrupt, incompetent politicians of all time yet seem to think you are morally superior to those who oppose you. You’re a complete loser.
Tell us once again Watson, how conservatives support the absence of regulations. Moron.
the only point wattie ever has, ever has had, is that s/he is controlled by a compulsion to seek out strangers who have a certain political identification, and then indulge in mindless sniping and a rather creepy pathology of spite and malice.
If I had ever sought out a self-identified Lib blog and posted even one post similar to what the wattle posts here many times a week, the same could be said of me. I’d be as off the rails as wattie is.
But I don’t. As a conservative, I chose a self-identified conservative blog, to discuss conservative ideas and goals and general events. I address Lib trolls, their lies and their pathology and the bizarreness of their commitment to a system they don’t even understand, but this is only after they have invaded this conservative territory to spew their toxic sludge.
And I also contribute articles and links, and ideas.
All wattie is is a drain pipe out of the Liberal sewer, and all wattie wants to do is have it empty into this blog.
OT, but this thread isn’t exactly setting the world on fire anyway. I got an email this morning that sounds like a made up story, but, after searching a number of key words on Snopes and Truth or Fiction, I can find anything that refutes it. It certainly sounds like it could be true. Any realtors among our readers that know whether such a scam is doable?
Now if this is a true story, or even a made up story that’s based on a real scam, then…….well, the only thing I can say, I wouldn’t say on a family blog.
Karl Rove has declared war* on the Tea Party Movement. Our response? BRING IT!
Tea Party EMail | 2/4/2012 | Tea Party Staff
Establishment Republicans like Karl Rove has diluted what is supposed to be the conservative principles and message of the Republican Party. In a misguided attempt to ‘appeal to moderates’, Rove and his ilk have alienated conservatives within the Republican Party and sent the Democrats a clear message. They have no spine.
Rove has some nerve attacking a movement that infused the right with such enthusiasm that it gave the Republican Party its biggest gains in 2010. If he wants to point the finger of blame at anyone, he needs only look in the mirror for it was Rove that was the primary driver in Bush’s becoming the second biggest spender of all time, right behind Barack Obama. This caused the Republican Party to lose all credibility for fiscal conservatism in 2006, paving the way for Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and eschewing in Barack Obama and the freedom sucking ObamaCare.
This is war, my fellow Patriots. It is shameful that we are not only at war with the Progressive Democrat Party whose objective is to ‘fundamentally transform America’ and wipe away the death, sweat, and tears that were paid by those that came before us so that we might have freedom. But now, RINO Rove has made it plainly evident that he lacks commitment to the principles of a constitutionally limited government, personal responsibility, fiscal sanity, and freedom by declaring war on a group of every day Americans who only want to preserve the America that our founders left for us for the generations to come. Help us fight Karl Rove in showing him that the Tea Party Movement is not going anywhere HERE.
Does Rove believe that Americans should be enslaved to a government that views their hard earned money as belonging to government first? Does Rove believe that government should have the power to decide which guns we should be allowed to own and have the power to limit our Second Amendment rights? Does Rove believe that Americans should be silenced and shamed from fighting for the freedoms that are guaranteed and promised to us within the Constitution? That is precisely the message that he is sending by declaring war on the good people within the Tea Party Movement.
Ladies and gentlemen, we must not let this stand! We must band together to send a message to Karl Rove that America is worth fighting for; the Constitution is worth standing for; our freedoms are worth every single stance, word, and action that we take to maintain. Unlike Karl Rove, we are not funded by millionaires and billionaires. Our funding comes in the average amount of $43 from every day moms, dads, grandmas, grandpas, and singles who have a common bond….a belief in the United States of America and a desire to fight for her. Please help us fight establishment Republicans like Karl Rove who see you as a threat.
This is priceless:
(Reuters) – Standard & Poor’s said it expects to be the target of a U.S. Department of Justice civil lawsuit over its mortgage bond ratings, the first federal enforcement action against a credit rating agency over alleged illegal behavior tied to the recent financial crisis.
This is priceless – let’s ignore Jamie Gorelick’s, Franklin Raines, Barney Franks, Fannie’s and Freddie’s involvement and go after S&P. Makes perfect sense.
Pretty sad commentary when a video of a sitting Senator is shown, decrying the actions, or inactions as it were, of the US Senate and their non compliance with the Constitution in regards to submitting budgets, and exposing the fact that the members of the Senate don’t even read pending legislation before voting on it, garners no comments of concern or outrage.
We get the government we deserve folks.
The thing is, I’ll bet 80% of the American people don’t know this – some got their very first inkling of it with the passage of ObamaCare…3,000 pages which Nancy said we had to pass before we could find out what’s in it! Some people thought she was making a joke – the fact is SHE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT WAS IN IT. Assured by her staffers – I’m sure – that it was chock full of stuff a liberal would love, she pushed it through…I’d like a Republican to insert a rider in to a bill which requires Reid to get an atomic wedgie and see what happens…because I assure you, no one on Reid’s side will read it before passage.
But Paul is on the right track – and we need more Senators and House members to just stand up and do just this: point out that no one can know what is in these bills being passed…and then use that fact against the politicians who voted in favor. Take a few seconds of Paul saying that its 600 pages and only arrived on his desk this AM…and then cut to “Senator So and So got the bill at the same time; he voted for it. Did he know what he was voting for?”. That can be a devastating attack not just on individual House and Senate members, but on the ruling class, in general. It is something which would gravely embarrass … they have no answer to the question: why did you vote yes on a bill you couldn’t possibly have read? It is a way to start eroding the strength of incumbency…all that supposed knowledge and skill which is really just a bunch of BS…most of those in Congress aren’t knowledgeable or skillful – heck, they don’t even know how to legislate. They can just manage the trick of getting elected and re-elected…staffers and lobbyists do all the work and the Congresscritters just vote as they’re told.
They can just manage the trick of getting elected and re-elected
gerrymandering and racist voting blocks have produced the dumbest morons ever to set foot on the planet being in charge.
Hey Casper, this one is for you:
A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” — even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.
Knowing how you claimed that waterboarding made you run to the arms of democrats and embrace liberalism, I am sure that this report from the Obama administration will have you coming back to conservatism. Right? I don’t know who the biggest loser is, you or Watson.
cluster
Right? I don’t know who the biggest loser is, you or Watson.
WOW that is a tough one, catspuke pro ports to be edumicated and he is a “teacher”, waspstooge is just a Fn useful idiot. Sounds like a toss up to me.
Well, if a procedure approved by courts and applied to our own people before being used to interrogate terrorists, making them fearful and uncomfortable for a short period of time but not inflicting permanent harm, will drive a conservative casper into the arms of the Left, actually KILLING AMERICAN CITIZENS without indictment or trial, just on suspicion, ought to have him volunteering at the closest GOP headquarters by the end of the week.
ought to have him volunteering at the closest GOP headquarters by the end of the week.
Don’t hold your breath.
What’s your opinion of this Cluster? Are you for it or against?
I am against this. It’s too arbitrary.
Read something interesting this morning which is kind of OT on this thread but would involve the CongressCritters so I thought I would post it.
If they want a background check / Photo ID for every gun purchase (which I could agree with if it was a real background check and no information except failures for prosecutions were kept) then I also want a Photo ID / check done on every voter. I mean, one constitutional right is no more important than any other–correct? Well, except the 2nd protects all of the others.
Instant background check for gun purchases–Instant background check for voting. Sounds fair? Right? Tag an amendment or rider to any and all background check bills. See if Dingy Harry will vote on that.
Seems reasonable to me but be prepared to be called a racist by our leftists.
DB
we could start with the POS kenyan……..
I heard Rush earlier make a great comparison with the Obama regimes consideration of “killing” Americans with drone strikes if they are to be “deemed” terrorists or in association with AQ. He said – “had this provision been in place during the Nixon administration, could this have included Bill Ayers and the Weathermen?”
Brilliant.
It’s a shame that it wasn’t in place during that time. In addition, he said, “isn’t it ironic that we can now kill these terrorists, but we can’t waterboard them”
Casper, do you need the address and phone number of your local GOP office?
cluster
“had this provision been in place during the Nixon administration, could this have included Bill Ayers and the Weathermen?”
How about calypso louie and the OWS? Im in!
harry reids senate, and bath house barrys ameriKa.
sure take away MY guns………
Drudge
Flash Mobs Turning Into Epidemic On NYC Streets; NYPD Powerless…
CHICAGOLAND: Police To No Longer Respond Immediately To Burglaries, Car Thefts…
REPORT: Miami-Dade Police Officers Caught on Camera Ignoring Emergency Calls…
liberal utopia
3 People Stabbed On NYC Subway Platform…
lil freddyschwartsputz
you’re a frightened little bigot
Frightened? little? bigot? ….THREE strikes and yer out forker.
PS
Ill tell Drudge to quit posting the raaacist news, and the FBI for those raaaacist crime stats……
ROTFLMAO!!!
Casper, what do you think of barkys kill list? I can just think of how apeshit you would have been had Dubya had one.
GMB,
I agree with j6206, extrajudicial killing of American Citizens should not be allowed.
Oh, so you are “against” this, eh, cappy?
Let me repeat my earlier observation.
“Well, if a procedure approved by courts and applied to our own people before being used to interrogate terrorists, making them fearful and uncomfortable for a short period of time but not inflicting permanent harm, will drive a conservative casper into the arms of the Left, actually KILLING AMERICAN CITIZENS without indictment or trial, just on suspicion, ought to have him volunteering at the closest GOP headquarters by the end of the week.”
You CLAIM that the first procedure I mentioned, which had been approved by courts, which was administered to our own people as part of training, which caused severe discomfort but no lasting effects, used on foreign enemies of the United States to try to save thousands of lives, still accounted for part of your shift to the Left.
Now all you can say regarding out-and-out killing, without indictment, without trial, of AMERICAN CITIZENS, just on suspicion, is a limp little murmur that you are “against” it.
Gee, casper, don’t tell us that that whole “waterboarding made me a Liberal” thing was just a lie!
Amazona-
What US courts have approved waterboarding? I may be mistaken but I think the only reason the practitioners of waterboarding haven’t been tried for crimes is because of prosecutorial discretion.
http://www.isthatlegal.org/archives/2007/11/if_it_was_tortu.html
Casper,
So waterboarding under Bush was a primary factor in your decision to change allegiance and embrace the Democratic party, but killing Americans under Obama merely solicits mild disapproval.
Do you now know why I don’t take you seriously?
It came out this week that the administration (Leon Panetta) admitted that water boarding, in fact, provided information to get bin Laden.
The lefty talking point “obama got bin laden” would not exist if it weren’t for water-boarding.
Water-boarding know terrorists under Bush …. bad and illegal!
Drone killing American “suspected” terrorists under obAMATEUR … good and legal!
Does anyone else see the disconnect?
6206, my mistake—it was the Justice Department that approved of waterboarding. Lots of people called it torture, more did not. Keep in mind that those bleating the loudest about “torture” also classify things like being subjected to loud music as “torture”, basically using the term to describe anything that makes anyone feel uncomfortable.
With consideration that every American soldier (at least Navy & Marines) that attends Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) training goes through water-boarding at least once–I figure what is good enough for us is good enough for the pinnacle of captives for information retrieval. It does work when administrated correctly.
Then again, the living and working conditions of an average Marine infantry unit is too severe (in their feeble little minds) for anyone from prisoners to battlefield combatants.
“Keep in mind that those bleating the loudest about “torture” also classify things like being subjected to loud music as “torture”, basically using the term to describe anything that makes anyone feel uncomfortable.”…Amazona
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Why, of course,, Amazona, being subjected to the ‘torture’ of loud music is indeed the uncomfortable equivalent to having water poured into my nose and mouth while strapped on my back on an inclined platform, with my feet above my head. As my sinus cavities and mouth fill with water, my gag reflex causes me to expel air from my lungs, leaving me unable to exhale and unable to inhale without aspirating water. I’m sure, you, Amazona, being the strong Frontier woman that you are, would have no hesitation in subjecting yourself to the ‘uncomfortable’ feeling of waterboarding.
Canadian,
Curious as to your thoughts on Obama’s desire to kill Americans and foreign combatants thru drone strikes vs the “uncomfortable feeling” (as you described it) of being water boarded. And why do you think Amazona should be subjected to water boarding? Can she not endorse the practice against known foreign enemies without having to endure the treatment herself? You support abortion, but have never been subjected to that treatment – so please tell me the difference.
I’m sure, you, Amazona, being the strong Frontier woman that you are, would have no hesitation in subjecting yourself to the ‘uncomfortable’ feeling of waterboarding.
Key word, CO, being “uncomfortable”, but, nevertheless, a technique that, as DB notes, any member of the U.S. military that goes through SERE training experiences.
You support abortion, but have never been subjected to that treatment – so please tell me the difference.
What a marvelous point, but maybe not a safe assumption.
Cluster
February 6, 2013 at 9:18 am #
Canadian,
Curious as to your thoughts on Obama’s desire to kill Americans and foreign combatants thru drone strikes
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Drone strikes that target citizens of the country you are sworn to protect is reprehensible, Cluster. If this is the President’s desire, he has a lot to answer for.
CO, just a hint—you might seem marginally less irrelevant and obnoxious if you would stop inventing things that were not said, so you could sneer at them.
Aside from your effete urban metrosexual crisis of confidence, as seen in your comment about me being a “Frontier Woman”, there is the fact that I simply did not equate waterboarding with being forced to listen to loud music.
Rather, I pointed out that shrill hysterics like you have tried to call anything that causes any level of discomfort “torture” and gave some examples, not going into the loving detail you did to describe each one.
I stopped short of my real complaint, which is that shrill hysterics like you have trivialized the word, which is despicable, as true torture is an abomination and atrocity.
“I pointed out that shrill hysterics like you have tried to call anything that causes any level of discomfort “torture”…” Amazona.
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Really? If anyone is being hysterical here, it’s you, Amazona. To assume that I would categorize loud music as ‘torture’ is quite a stretch and to say that I would call anything that causes any level of discomfort ‘torture’ is just plain ridiculous. Making absurd statements and then trying to walk them back by name calling seems to be your MO; no surprise there.
CO, I shouldn’t have to always be giving you Libs lessons in basic reading comprehension, but you (plural you) seem to be sadly in need of constant tutorials.
I said: “Keep in mind that those bleating the loudest about “torture” ALSO classify things like being subjected to loud music as “torture”, basically using the term to describe anything that makes anyone feel uncomfortable.”
You falsely misstated this as a claim that waterboarding is no more unpleasant than having to listen to loud music.
I corrected you.
Now you are doubling down on your stupidity by misstating what I said, again.
” To assume that I would categorize loud music as ‘torture’ is quite a stretch and to say that I would call anything that causes any level of discomfort ‘torture’ is just plain ridiculous. ”
Well, as I specifically referenced “..those bleating the loudest..” if you choose to place yourself in that category, I guess you know best.
I realize that your thought processes are so disorganized that any data that finds its way into them stands a good chance of being distorted and reassembled into something not related to its original form, but that is pretty typical of you Libs.
If I cared, I might wonder if you really are that stupid, or just that dishonest, knowing of course that with you the two are not mutually exclusive. But I don’t care. All I know is that you ARE dishonest, you DO sound stupid, and you are extremely tiresome.
What is more relevant is that you have this weird compulsion to go online, seek out a blog frequented by self-identified political conservatives in another country, and then make mindless attacks on these strangers. That’s a pathology I simply do not understand, but being exposed to it so much here I find it increasingly creepy.
What a sad, empty and angry little life you must lead, to be so obsessed with such a negative compulsion.
Canadian,
None of us doubt that waterboarding is horrendous; none of us would state otherwise than that we hope never to have to undergo such a thing; none of us, also, would assert other than that we wish it weren’t necessary…but we’re dealing in the Islamist terrorist groups with people who are fallen in to depths upon depths of evil…these are the people, after all, who cold-bloodedly plan the murder of innocent people; who, indeed, deliberately hide behind women and children so that if they are attacks, innocents are certain to die, thus allowing them to use the blood of the innocent as a propaganda tool. In short, we’re dealing with people who are rough customers and some times have to be dealt with rather harshly.
As I’ve said before – and I’ll always say – no foreign terrorist (or even an American citizen caught operating with terrorists in foreign lands) has a right to remain silent. Those Constitutional protections are for people civilized enough to treat decently. A terrorist’s life is forfeit – he is outlaw in the traditional sense of the word: any decent person coming across such a creature as a terrorist is fully justified in killing him out of hand. That we don’t kill them is an act of extreme forbearance on our part…and in return for this mercy, the terrorist must tell all he knows, and if he won’t voluntarily talk, he must be compelled to do so.
Haha, just as expected, we get another one of your convoluted responses, Amazona.
Ouch. Well, not really. Was that supposed to sting? Nervous tittering doesn’t really impact me, so the hahaha just struck me as more of your effete fluttery snottiness.
Evidently you had to chime in with this limp little effort because the following struck home for you:
“What is more relevant is that you have this weird compulsion to go online, seek out a blog frequented by self-identified political conservatives in another country, and then make mindless attacks on these strangers. That’s a pathology I simply do not understand, but being exposed to it so much here I find it increasingly creepy.”
You may try to dismiss it as “convoluted” but I’d call it “insightful”.
Amazona
February 7, 2013 at 10:00 am #
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Don’t you ever get tired of posting the same old harangue over and over again, Amazona. Time to haul out the dictionary and find some new words to hurl at us scary, no-nothing Liberals.
This should be investigated, this is unconstitutional. I agree with you GMB, extrajudicial killing of American Citizens by the President must not be allowed. And I like Barky.
To me, it does depend on the circumstances – if an American citizen is situated inside a terrorist training camp, for instance, then I figure he’s de-facto renounced his citizenship and he has to take his chances as all terrorists do…and if a US drone strike kills him then that is just the wages of being a terrorist.
But I do find it astounding that as Obama has retained every single Bush Administration terrorist protocol (except waterboarding – which never killed anyone) and, indeed, has expanded the scope of the Bush anti-terror protocols, the same liberals who were screaming bloody murder and demonstrating in the streets can hardly muster a peep about it…
Mark,
That is why I am initially against this. It is a sweeping provision addressing a minor problem. There simply are not that many Americans that have taken up arms with the Taliban or AQ. If we know and suspect some Americans engaged in treason, and we do, then investigate them individually and make exceptions for them, and them alone.
barky is now judge, jury, and executioner. Had a repub done this you proggies would have screamed murder. Your silence is deafening. Where is the outrage? Where are the protesters in the streets calling out the potus?
How about another movie fantasizing about the death of an American President?
Mild disapproval indeed.
we have already used snipers, tanks, helicopters by the US govt to MURDER American children and women.
1. Ruby Ridge
2. Waco.
this came to an end when a US Soldier gave it back to them in spades.
Here is my take on it……….IF you are in a ***foreign country*** fighting with arms against US forces YOU ARE a LEGITIMATE battle field target.
As a Marine if I were in Iraq and you had a rifle (etc) and were fighting for the other side and I knew you were an American I WOULD TARGET you with a head shot if I had the opportunity.
ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN and DOMESTIC!!
ANOTHER BRAIN DEAD IDIOT attempts to speak……
Chris Rock: Obama Is ‘Our Boss’, the ‘Dad of the Country’…’And When Your Dad Says Something, You Listen’
“And when you don’t, it will usually bite you in the a** later on.”
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NO DUMBASS, bathouse barry is an ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE,,,……a PUBLIC SERVANT!!!!!
The great one with the dope head
here
Are you cheering Tim McVeigh? If so you are a bigger dope than I thought.
Did I say anything about Ruby Ridge or Waco? No, I did not. But the tone of your 8:40 am post seemed to cheer McVeigh’s murder of innocents. You must be proud.
j1360
*******seemed to cheer*******
by that same BS standard YOU seemed to cheer the deaths of women and children by govt snipers, tanks, flame throwers, and torture.
you must be sooo proud of bathouse barry who now wants to out do KKKlintoon and the lesbo.
neo, I have to agree that you seem to think that McVeigh’s action was somehow justified by Ruby Ridge and Waco, and if this is what you meant I find it despicable.
McVeigh did not “give it back to THEM in spades”….he did not attack armed representatives of an oppressive administration, but in the most cowardly way possible targeted innocents, including children.
And if government abuses DID “come to an end” it was not because a slimy disgusting mentally disturbed coward blew up a few hundred innocent civilians.
I wish you would think before you type, and if you think like this I wish you would not type at all.
Ama
neo, I have to agree that you ***seem*** to think that McVeigh’s action was somehow justified by Ruby Ridge and Waco, and if this is what you meant I find it despicable.
I dont know HOW you and j1369 came away with my alleged support of Mc Veigh, there WAS and IS none. It was an observation PERIOD!!!!
My point was we had a despicable cowardly government incinerating US citizens, attacking women and children with snipers, tanks, automatic weapons, “torture” every much as bad or worse than McVeigh wrought.
Our government people are meant to protect us not MURDER us en mass because of political ideology.
McVeigh by his own words said his action was DIRECT retribution for RR and Waco and an out of control government against her citizens.
I merely stated after McVeigh’s “blow back” against an out of control government this type of action ceased.
You be the judge if TM was a patriot hero, or dastardly coward.
I DID NOT make that judgement.
This is now what bathouse barry is planning on returning government to, right after he disarms us.
Ama
you may want to read ONE mans OPINION on the FBI buildings bombing…..
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/joseph-weissman/gore-vidal-on-kipling-her_b_1766088.html..
PS
so I do not get accused AGAIN this is for discussion and observation PERIOD, I am making NO judgement or stand.
interesting vanity fair article
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2001/09/mcveigh200109
Cluster said, “You don’t have a point Watson, you never have had a point. ”
Ah, more insults. First, YOU brought me into this thread. Second, I said, “There’s one reason we still have Harry Reid in the senate: Sharron Angle. Next time run a better candidate.” I realize that the basic point eludes you, but apparently it doesn’t elude your boy, Karl Rove, who’s new goal is to weed out loser candidates like Sharron Angle.
cluster: “You don’t have a point Watson, you never have had a point. ”.
…and again watty, you prove cluster correct!
Watson,
It took you a day to think of and come back with that response?? I always knew liberals were slow but you just raised the bar.
Cluster, so now we know—it’s YOUR fault! What were you thinking of? The next time you decide to “bring in” a loser like the wattle to a thread, try to rein in the impulse, OK?
‘Cause, you know, the wart didn’t just do what he does and barge into a discussion to spread a little/lot of that wattle crap. No, he was just minding his own business, for a change, and then you had to go “bring him in” to the thread.
Next thing we know, he’ll be claiming he is really a smart guy, savvy about politics, and quite capable and eager when it comes to explaining and defending his Liberal allegiance.
And you know he has to have one, because just sniffing around conservative web sites to have an excuse to snarl at strangers because they actually do have a coherent political philosophy would mark him as a total loser.
So if none of us goes out of our way to BRING HIM IN, maybe he’ll slope off to some place where he can hang with his own kind.
Here again, we prove Watson has no point – zero, nada, zippo
“Look, I want to be clear about this,” Rove said. “Crossroads is second to none in support of tea party candidates. In 2010 and ‘12, we spent over $30 million for Senate candidates who were tea party candidates. We raised almost $20 million for House candidates who were tea party candidates.”
According to Rove, in 2010 his group had spent $2.9 million on Sen. Marco Rubio, $2.7 million on Sen. Rand Paul, $5.1 million for Sharon Angle in Nevada, $8 million in Colorado for Ken Buck and $1.4 million in Pennsylvania for Pat Toomey.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/06/karl-rove-fires-back-accuses-detractors-of-lining-their-own-pockets-video/#ixzz2KC24r9SY
I would like to congratulate all the liberals here from refraining from any comment on the actual thread, which is tantamount to full endorsement of Harry Reid and his brand of politics and style of governance. Good to know that all of you see no reason why the country should actually have a budget, that legislation from the House should actually be brought to the floor and debated, and that the Senate should consider giving the President unilateral authority on raising the debt ceiling.
It was only 5 short years ago that liberals, and Obama, believed that spending our “grand childrens money” was morally wrong, deficit spending was “taking out a credit card from China”, and that the minority party was being patriotic by opposing the majority. Interesting how your principles have changed.
Cluster you don’t actually want Liberal/Progressive opinions here anyway. If you want an open and honest debate without censorship in any form why don’t I report this at my blog and we can go at it all day long.
Open and honest debate? Since when has any liberal came here with that intent? I would welcome any liberal to have an open and honest debate. The closest I have seen come to it is James, who openly admitted that he support subverting the Constitutional governance of this country.
You can begin the “open and honest” debate by telling me what you think of Harry’s stewardship of the Senate.
My favorite B4V moderation was when I simply updated the popular vote count of the 2012 presidential election. That was deemed too controversial for the B4V moderator, so the post was deleted.
You have no idea why your post was removed, and neither do I, but I can say with confidence that you have never even APPROACHED being “controversial”, sticking as you do to your comfort zone of just trying to be as obnoxious as possible.
Cluster, only an ignoramus would not recognize what Karl Rove is doing. I Googled Karl Rove in the news section and this is the first article that came up:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/gop-civil-war-karl-rove-group-conservative-victory/story?id=18424932
“Karl Rove has launched a new group, the Conservative Victory Project, which will aim to select GOP Senate candidates, weeding out future Todd Akins and squashing the prospects of anyone deemed unelectable.”
I realize its from the “mainstream media,” so its probably nothing but lies in your opinion.
As for taking a day to respond: unlike you, I actually have a life outside of this blog. Have a nice day!
wattie, if you do have “a life outside of this blog” then why do you spend so much time skulking around its edges looking for things to snarl and sneer at?
And why do you give a flip about Karl Rove,or the GOP, or any of this? The most notable thing about your posts is their lack of political content. All you care about is hurling insults at others.
Perhaps if you had it in you to explain why you believe the Leftist, big-central-government political model is the best way to govern the United States, perhaps of you could defend your position, perhaps if you could mount a coherent argument supporting it such as examples of this model’s success in the past, perhaps if you could actually engage in POLITICAL DISCOURSE, you would not come off as such a total irrelevant gasbag.
According to you and your kind, the GOP is in a death spiral, conservatism is dead, the nation is securely moving toward the Left, so you should be off enjoying this life you claim to have “outside of the blog” instead of obsessively nitipicking about conservative people you dislike.
Good call Watson, let’s not go with what Rove actually says, or where he actually spends his money, let’s go with what ABC reports. Do you even have two respectable brain cells to rub together?
And you have a nice day too sport.
Look Amy, you guys complain when I don’t respond fast enough, and you complain that I’m “skulking around” this blog when I do. You complain that people who voice dissenting opinions are blog vandals, and yet you bring up those very same people when they haven’t even participated.
I didn’t have any intention of posting in this thread, but your pal Cluster is so obsessed that he brings me up in every thread, putting words into my mouth. Maybe if you guys were capable of discussing the topics that YOU raise, without speculating about what other posters might say, and without ridiculing other posters before they even participate in the thread, you might have a better blog. But obviously you are not capable of that.
All I said is that “There’s one reason we still have Harry Reid in the senate: Sharron Angle. Next time run a better candidate.” The comment was on topic. It’s also true. And from that, nothing but ridicule.
All I said is that “There’s one reason we still have Harry Reid in the senate: Sharron Angle.
Actually, that may not be entirely true.
I didn’t put words in your mouth Watson. You clearly stated the other day that you disagree with the conservative position that the “absence” of regulations leads to prosperity. In fact, your exact quote was:
Because there are many things stated here that I don’t agree with. For example, when someone says words to the effect that doing away with regulation and that will lead to prosperity. That’s a simplistic, non-starter.
So again, don’t make absurd claims if you don’t want to be called out on it.
Look Watson, if you or Freddie or any other liberal can have a rational debate absent the ridiculous and cartoonish mindset that conservatives are racist, homophobic, religious zealots who want no regulations, then by all means – let’s debate.
cluster
Watson, if you or Freddie or any other liberal can have a rational debate absent the ridiculous and cartoonish mindset that conservatives are racist, homophobic, religious zealots who want no regulations,
No way, it is who they are……”USEFUL IDIOTS”
ask dingey harry WHY??
‘Homeland’ to Buy 22 Million MORE Rounds of Ammunition…
‘Homeland’ to Buy 22 Million MORE Rounds of Ammunition…
Must be expecting some trouble.
FactCheck.org: Sen. Reid Caught Making False Claims About Spending Cuts
Must be expecting some trouble.
LOOKING for trouble to happen so they can justify their illegal and unconstitutional suppression of average Americans, and the constitution.
take the tra von martin shooting…..racists fanned the flames of hatred forcing the government to politically lynch a man legally fighting for his life.
THEY hate the Florida SYG and will use this SCAM to try to get it reversed.
wattle, once again you completely misstate what was said. No one “complained” that you didn’t “answer fast enough”. What a bizarre spin to put on the comment that it took you a whole day to come up with the feeble excuse for a post that you finally produced.
It was not a complaint that it took you so long to answer—that would imply an interest in your response, anticipation of hearing what you had to say, and disappointment that the wait was so long. None of these, obviously, is even close to the truth, which is that Cluster observed that even after a day to think it over you still couldn’t come up with anything worthwhile.
But thanks for the peek into the mixmaster that is your brain, where what comes out bears no resemblance to what went in and where your ego has you convinced that anyone has EVER complained that you were not around, and that you are capable of producing anything that anyone would find intimidating, threatening, or “controversial”.
I’m starting to see why you have to skulk around the Internet to find groups of strangers upon whom you can impose your sour, snarly, hostile, personality. Who would tolerate you in person?
And before you snap to your default response of “I know what you are but what am I?” remember that I belong here, I am here because it is a conservative blog and I am a conservative, that I often post things of interest to other conservatives, that I am not afraid to engage in actual political discourse when I find a Lefty willing to do so, and that my negative comments are always in response to the presence of blog vandals like you.