Coming to a State near you:
The SAFE (“Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement”) Act was presented to the New York State Senate and passed into law in 15 minutes. No debate was allowed, and senators did not have time to read the bill before voting it into law.
The SAFE Act is a complete ban on the sale or transfer of all military-style semi-automatic rifles manufactured within the past several decades. It is a total ban on the AR-15, AK-47, M-14/M-1a, HK G3, Steyr AUG, and many other civilian copies of military firearms. Prior to the passage of the law, Gov. Cuomo publicly stated that he was considering “confiscation” of existing rifles, but the final version of the law allowed existing owners to keep their rifles as long as they registered them with the State. Upon the death of the owner, the rifle will be confiscated; it cannot be transferred to an heir within New York State.
Like most, if not all liberal policies, this too will accomplish nothing. I heard the other night that guns purchased at gun shows accounted for less than 1/2% of all gun crime, but that doesn’t stop liberals from using gun shows as the example of our “out of control” gun culture. The Democratic Party must be stopped if America is to continue it’s rich history.
The problem, as with most of the new (and ridiculous) legislation, is there is no way to enforce the law short of house to house searches and law enforcement doesn’t get paid enough to be the first one through the door on a raid. They left confiscation out of this one because they aren’t registered so they don’t know where they are. And now that their intentions have become crystal clear, there is no way in hell that anyone is going to register their weapons, nor will they formally write them into a will to pass down to their heirs. These kind of weapons are worth a great deal of money the states declared intent is to steal with no compensation. New York State will be the petri dish of failure. Support the resistance loudly and every chance you get so that the S.A.F.E. Act and anything similar is crushed at the onset. This IS the line in the sand across which they will not step.
Gun confiscation has been, is and always will be the goal of the left as regards civilian firearms. And that is of all types. They’ll start with scary-looking rifles, but eventually it’ll even be someone’s 100 year old heirloom shotgun. They just don’t want people armed – because in the liberal scheme of things, armed force can only be a State activity. It doesn’t matter how many facts and figures one can come up with to show that civilian firearms are fine in the hands of law-abiding citizens: the facts of the matter are irrelevant. Guns must not be in the hands of the people.
Keep in mind that they really don’t want us owning cars, either. Nor are they really all that pleased at single-family homes with yards. They don’t like people being able to decide how much water or electricity to consume, for that matter. Bottom line, they don’t like people making their own decisions. You see, a person making their own decisions might at some point make a decision which goes against liberal ideas of what is best. Can’t have that.
My reading of the thread focused on something else. Sure, the idea of gun confiscation, etc. is upsetting, but what jumped out at me was: No debate was allowed, and senators did not have time to read the bill before voting it into law.
No debate was allowed.
Senators were not given time to read the bill before the vote.
Lockstep Senators voted it into law without reading it.
This tells me that the New York Legislature is a sham, a pretense, an illusion of the democratic process. That is, a form of government alien to the concepts upon which this nation’s governmental structures are based, and worse yet, an example of Leftist tyranny……
….coming to a statehouse near you, if we don’t get a grip on how our nation is governed.
100% correct. But that has sadly been the trajectory of the Democratic party – no debate, or even reading of legislation anymore, and that is why the Democrats pose as much of a threat to this country as any other faction.
Don’t get me wrong——-as an ardent proponent of state sovereignty, I think the people of the State of New York have the right to determine how their state will be governed, as long as they do not violate any of the provisions of the Constitution. But if the people of the State of New York have not made the decision to set up the governance of that state in a way that specifically allows the kind of action described in the threat post, then their legislature is in violation of the state’s own constitution in its passing of a law that also, BTW, violates the national constitution, and furthermore did so in a way that absolutely reeks of tyranny bordering on a dictatorship.
So the Democrats show their true colors once again by successfully blocking legislation that would have cracked down on sanctuary cities. This from the same party of fine folks who are suing the State of AZ for trying to protect it’s citizenry from illegal criminals. And now we learn that sexual assault against women is fine provided you’re Muslim:
The Los Angeles Times reported that the prosecutors cited insufficient evidence against Majed Abdulaziz Al-Saud, 28. Al-Saud had been accused by a female worker of trying to force her to perform a sex act on him at the Beverly Glen residence. After the prince’s Sept. 23 arrest, police said that more women had accused the prince of attacking them, with three suing Al-Saud in civil court.
The concern Democrats have for average Americans is heart warming. They really are the party of compassion.
This is precious. The moderate Muslims really do show us how peaceful Islam is. I feel S.A.F.E.R already.
I know it is fashionable now to simply close one’s eyes and ears and murmur “nahnahnahnahnah” whenever Hilter and/or Nazis are mentioned, as we have been indoctrinated into the idea that ANY reference to Hitler, or Nazis, must be silenced. While it is true that sometimes these references are just hateful efforts to link people with the most shameful aspect of the 20th Century, we also have to realize that there are lessons that should—-MUST—be learned from the Nazi/Hitler era.
One of these is the involvement of Islam with Hitler and the Final Solution. The following was copied from a chart/timeline so it is not in a typical format.
Arab Nazi political groups spring up throughout Middle East:
Young Egypt. Led by Muslim Brotherhood member Abdul Gamal Nasser (future Egyptian President). Young Egypt’s political slogan “One Folk, One Party, One Leader” is a direct translation from German of Nazi slogan.
. Social Nationalist Party in Syria. Led by Anton Saada (known as the Syrian Fuhrer)
Francois Genoud , later known as the Swiss Banker of the Hitler’s Third Reich, travels to Palestine to meet Amin Al-Husseini for the first time. Their relationship will continue well into the 1960’s.
Amin Al-Husseini is main organizer of riots. He organizes suicide squads against the local authorities. Applies Nazi methodology of “systematic extermination” of any Arab suspected of less than total loyalty to Pan-Islamic vision of Muslim Brotherhood.
Any “non-Islamic” element is a threat to his Pan-Islamic vision.
Many Muslim and Christian Palestinian intellectual leaders and clerics assassinated for protesting Husseini’s Islamic terror.
1936-1938. Murdered by Husseini’s men:
Sheikh Daoud Ansari ( Imam of Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Ali Nur el Khattib (Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Nusbi Abdal Rahim (Council of Muslim Religious Court), Sheikh Abdul el Badoui (Acre, Palestine), Sheikh El Namouri (Hebron), Nasr El Din Nassr (Mayor of Hebron). Between Feb. 1937 and Nov 1938, Eleven (11) Mukhtars (community leaders) and their entire families slain by Amin al Husseini’s men.
Amin Al-Husseini visits Jerusalem German Consul. He meets SS Hauptschanfuehrer A.Eichman and SS Oberscherfuehrer H. Hagen to discuss “the Jewish question”. Amin Al-Husseini subsequently receives financial and military aid from Nazi Germany.
Amin Al-Husseini arrives in Rome, where he meets fascist leader Benito Mussolini, the genocidal butcher of Ethiopians in Africa. Mussolini vows to help the Palestinian cause against the Jews. From Rome, Husseini declares Fatwa-Jihad against Britain. He preaches the notion of Pan-Islamism, with vision of Muslim unity to further his cause.
Amin Al-Husseini instigates a pro-nazi coup in Baghdad, Iraq. Kharaillah Tulfah is his right-hand man. Tulfah is Saddam Hussein’s mentor and uncle. Germany sends weapons and aircrafts to Husseini. Coup fails
Amin Al-Husseini in Berlin meets with Adolf Hitler and is active in the decision to exterminate all Jews through the infamous Final Solution. Hitler was reportedly content with deporting the Jews out of Europe to Palestine. Husseini perceived this as a threat to his stronghold in Palestine and pushed successfully for the extermination of the European Jews.
April 25th. Amin Al-Husseini is made chief architect of Nazi offensive in Bosnia: Serbian-Cyrillic alphabet outlawed. Orthodox Serbs forced to wear Blue armband. Jewish Serbs forced to wear Yellow armband.
While in Bosnia, Amin Al-Husseini takes the title “Protector of Islam”. One hundred thousand (100,000) Bosnian Muslims join the Nazi ranks. They seek Nazi approval to establish autonomous Nazi protectorate for Bosnian Muslims.
Amin Al-Husseini approves the Pejani Plan, calling for the extermination of the Serbian population. Nazi Germany refuses to implement the Pejani plan.
Bosnian ethnic cleansing under Amin al Husseini:
. Orthodox Christian Serbs: 200,000 killed
. Jewish Bosnians: 22,000 killed
. Gypsies: over 40,000 killed
Husseini’s legacy of hatred is a major factor in today’s Bosnia/Herzegovina conflict against the Serbs and their leader Milosevic.
Amin Al-Husseini intervenes personally with Nazi High Command to block Red Cross offer of exchanging 10,000 Jewish children for Nazi prisoners of war. They will die in Hitler’s gas chambers.
Amin Al Husseini creates the Hanzar Division of Nazi Muslim Soldiers in Bosnia, which he calls ‘the cream of Islam’. It becomes the largest division of the Third Reich Army (26,000 men) and participates actively in the genocide of Serbian and Jewish populations. ‘Hanzar’ was the name given to the dagger worn by officers under the Turkish Ottoman Empire. Muslim soldiers pledge allegiance to Nazi regime in official statement prepared by Heinrich Himmler, head of SS Nazi troops.
Amin Al-Husseini is made Prime Minister of Pan-Arab Government by Nazi regime. His headquarters are in Berlin.
He plans construction of concentration camp in Nablus (Palestine) to implement the “final solution” in Palestine to exterminate the Jews there, as an extension of Hitler’s plan.
Mufti becomes close friend of Heinrich Himmler, Head of SS (Nazi Officers). Amin Al-Husseini is given a private tour of Aushwitz death camp by Himmler, where he insists on seeing first-hand the murder of Europe’s Jews.
Head of Nazi SS troops Heinrich Himmler stated to Chief of Nazi propaganda Josef Goebbels:
“ [I] have nothing against Islam because it educates the men in this division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed in action. A very practical and attractive religion for soldiers.”
Heinrich Himmler, Head of SS, and close colleague of Amin Al-Husseini, financed and established Islamic Institute (‘Islamische Zentralinstitut’) in Dresden under the Mufti. The purpose was to create a generation of Islamic leaders that would continue to use Islam as a carrier for Nazi ideology into the 21st century.
March 1, 1944. Amin Al-Husseini makes speech from Berlin addressing Muslim SS Nazi troops: “Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, History and Religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.”
Link to pages of links, references, etc. http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com
You mentioned this last post and I never responded.
I do not summarily dismiss Nazi references, but there is a high bar for the next sentence after the comparison.
You wanna say Bush is like Hitler? No problem, so long as your next sentence is about how they both love dogs. But if it is because Bush’s policies or road to power or whatever mirrors Hitler in your opinion, forget about it. your opinion just lost value to me.
The last post compared liberals to Nazis and, while I dislike both, there really is not a lot of similarities. “Oh, but liberals try to quash their rivals unfairly, just like Hitler”…no, Hitler’s goons would MURDER their competition and burn down the equivalent of our Capitol Building.
So, no, contrary to my blithely-stated earlier words, I do not automatically disregard Nazi comparisons. There just better be some meat behind such a comparison or I WILL write off the opinion conveyed in the comparison.
Bob, that’s fair–as far as it goes. I think that people who have spent a lot of time reading history, and talking history with people who REALLY read history, might have a slightly different perspective than people who have not.
Let’s say we cut off talk of Hitler at the beginning of WW II, so we are not in the Holocaust/Final Solution, we are still not quite at the “kill anyone who disagrees” stage, but are looking at the way Hitler came to power, and the circumstances that allowed him to do what he did. That is, a nation that is bitter and disenchanted, pessimistic and even paranoid, with millions who don’t have a very clear idea of why they feel the way they do but who want to feel differently. That is, a nation prepped for the entry, and rise, of a demagogue whose appeal is primarily emotional, who promises Hope and Change, who never has a serious policy position but who stirs up absolutely hysterical responses from crowds desperate to FEEL something.
Let’s say we look at the way this demagogue managed to achieve such power—a rise from the back benches of politics to the leadership of a nation based almost exclusively on personality, a name change and rejection of ethnic history and background to create a new identity, the takeover of a national party and its change into a radical and extreme Leftist tool, the systemic attacks on the family and on religion, the takeover of the educational system, the control over the press.
Let’s say we look at the government’s increasing control over industry, allowing token ownership by citizens but with a great deal of government authority and intrusion into what were once business decisions. Let’s look at the diminishing economy.
There are so many signposts of the rise and fall of fascist tyranny and its horrible impact on humanity that we ought to be studying because of the eerie similarities between what happened then and what is happening now in our country, but we are too often blocked from examining them because of ingrained sensitivity about making any comparison at all to Hitler.
It’s not about making a direct comparison of Hitler and Obama, or any other politician—-it is about recognizing patterns in history, to avoid repeating mistakes. It’s about striving for objective analysis, so we can say “Hey, we’ve been down this road before and it didn’t end well, so we need to figure out why we are doing it again and make some changes.”
And BTW, I do think it reasonable to look at the close relationship between Hitler and Islam, their shared goals and mutual admiration and support.
This totally validates my complaint.
Hitler did not “rise from the back benches of politics.” His oratory skills grew a puny political group into a 3,000+ member raucous, hooligan army, which he unleashed on his rivals’ rallies and meetings.
I’ll grant you, his rise was based on his personality like Obama. They both are charismatic, though one would presume Hitler was more charismatic than just about anyone, considering he moved an entire nation his way.
But then again, it wasn’t so much Hitler’s personality, it was that his ideas were in sync with the German people. If the Germans weren’t antisemitic, his anti-Jewish rants would have superseded his personality and he would have failed. If this were the case with Obama we would have Medicare for all (his true goal). Obama may have risen due to personalilty, but he’s no Hitler in that department.
Hitler did not “reject his ethnic history,” he glorified it. He was German, despite the borders within which he was born. He fought hard to become a German citizen but he felt he was never not a German.
No, this whole Obama is comparable to Hitler is wrong. Unless you’re saying they both came from single mothers. Then Obama is exactly like Hitler.
What is interesting to me is that the founder of Austrian anti-Semitism worked for a while with a Jew who eventually became the founder of Austrian socialism. What it explains is that when people get disconnected from reality, they’ll fall for just about any bit of nonsense. Dressed up with the right advertising, pure idiocy can seem plausible. Hitler’s Big Lie came to him when he was a young down-and-outer…he noted that with advertisement you could sell a product which claimed to make windows unbreakable. And he was right. Suckers abound.
I’ve been wrapped up in Worst for the past two years and so haven’t had time to work on it – but my book on this subject is still there, and still in the works. Lies are the source of all our troubles.
Bob, you are focusing on Hitler—-the man. I am focusing on the elements that allow a nation to follow a man into tyranny. Sure, you can quibble about the details of Hitler’s life that may or may not be in synch with those of other politicians, but that is not relevant, though of some interest. But as I said, it is the atmosphere in a nation that makes it vulnerable to demagogues, and the specific history of Germany being wooed and won by a demagogue is far less relevant than the similarities in the mood of Germany that made it look not for a leader but a savior and the mood in the United States that appears to have the same goal.
Hitler did rewrite his history to fit the identity he was creating, and he was from the “back bench” of legitimate politics, being a thug who, by your own admission, put together a mob he used to harass and intimidate. His rise to power was based on taking over a party and remaking it in the image he desired. He ignored his Austrian background, his probably Jewish background, his birth as a Catholic, in his creation of a wholly German messiah. The identity of Adolf Hitler was invented. These are details that may or may not coincide with details of other lives of other people in other nations. When they do, they may or may not be worth looking at.
But my point is that as a nation we should be open to examining the entire history of other nations, and their leaders, without flinching due to political correctness, if we are to avoid the same pitfalls that led to the problems those nations experienced.
This discussion is not about Hitler, it is that people throwing Hitler/Stalin/Mao comparisons around too blithely make themselves seem not to be taken seriously.
You then said it was reasonable to compare and used a lot of Obama descriptions as being similar to Hitler and I denied each item. That is not being focused on Hitler, that is buttressing my argument that the comparison of Hitler and Obama is without merit.
Hitler was one of a very small group of historical figures whose infamy will last millenia. Obama simply sucks and will be forgotten by 2017.
Bob, we seem to be stuck on different pages. I am just saying that without a knee-jerk, PC-based, squeamishness when the word “Hitler” comes up, we could look at history, see patterns, and wonder if we are going down the same wrong path again.
Yes, there ARE similarities between the rise of Hitler and the rise of Obama, but I am not comparing Obama to Hitler. I am comparing the paths taken by two different countries, on two different continents, more than half a century apart, and a way to compare is to show similarities.
In my examples, one who is not programmed to automatically dismiss anything referring to the Big H could look at the things I mentioned and think “Wow—this is pretty weird.” And then go on to wonder why these two nations have so much in common, in their patterns of behavior.
This would be of value even if the second person in the pattern turned out to be the most wonderful, bestest, most awesome and epic and totally ideal leader we could have possibly chosen. The point there would be that this outcome would be due to blind luck, as it is a pattern that shows a very emotional reaction to crisis, and the fact that when a nation is in crisis it often seeks a savior, a hero, instead of a businesslike problem-solver.
You can shore up similarities in as much detail as you like, but all this does is attract more attention to the underlying things in common. It does not matter if two leaders, who came to power in very similar emotional and economic situations in their countries, also both like smoked oysters and Dave Brubeck and tie their shoes the same way, like to jog and whistle in the shower, etc.—-but the longer the list of things in common, the more people will pay attention to the similarities, and perhaps evaluate the wisdom of the path taken.
You also miss the very important point of how these two men, Obama and Hitler, came to their positions of power. Both were elevated by a very precise and calculated appeal to the public, to a need or desire on the part of the public to see a strong and nearly hypnotic orator. Both had their oratory skills skillfully enhanced by their handlers, were so widely praised for these skills that it was hard for the average guy to say “I don’t think he is all that special”. Seriously, look at the background in Hitler speeches and then check out the looming pillars at the Dem convention in Denver. My Albert Speer comment was not just snark—–I always thought Speer was the most fascinating figure in the Third Reich, and saw so much of his influence or at least his kind of influence in the Obama campaign, particularly in Denver, it was creepy.
Of course, I don’t get the vapors when anything related to Nazi Germany comes up.
The Left is brilliant, absolutely BRILLIANT, at this kind of manipulation, and it is important to see it when it happens, and understand its goal and how it works and why it works, or it will always work. It is just that old saying about how if you don’t understand history you are doomed to repeat it.
“Obama simply sucks and will be forgotten by 2017.”
I disagree. While Obama will not (hopefully) be categorized in the Hitler/Pol Pot/Stalin or even Castro category of tyrants, I think history will show him to be the single most harmful influence on this country in the history of our nation. It is going to take a long time to sort out the economic harm he has done, and race relations may never recover from the race war he has been fomenting. There had been a slide from looking at successful people and aspiring to be equally successful to looking at successful people and trying to drag them down to the level of the less successful, but he has made this an art form, and his influence on class warfare could easily end up being what tips this nation into hard-core Leftist misery.
It is too easy to just blithely dismiss Obama as an incompetent lightweight, instead of a clear-visioned ideologue whose goal has always been to undermine this nation until it takes very little to fall.
What Hillary doesn’t want anyone to know:
The new emails show repeated efforts by top Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal (the Obama administration had forbidden her from hiring Blumenthal at the State Department) to use his personal connections with the secretary of state to further his business interests in post-Qaddafi Libya. They also show Clinton’s approval—tacit, at least, and by some appearances active—of his schemes. In one email to Clinton, Blumenthal worries that French companies will get preference in post-Qaddafi security contracts. In another, he argues for escalating U.S. military intervention in Libya to boost Barack Obama’s approval ratings. And in yet another, Blumenthal describes a U.S. company, Osprey Global Solutions, and its unique qualifications for security work in Libya. Blumenthal tells Clinton that he and two partners are responsible for brokering an agreement between Osprey and the Libyan opposition, presumed members of the government-in-waiting. Clinton, who is preparing to meet with opposition leaders, responds to Blumenthal and asks: “Anything else to convey?” Blumenthal was at the time being paid $10,000 per month by the Clinton Foundation. He has also served as a paid consultant to American Bridge and Media Matters, pro-Clinton political operations that laid the groundwork for her presidential bid
Hillary spent three years hiding and erasing emails trying to bury this information, and all of this communique transpired on a private server in a closet in Denver. Dishonest, scandalous and corrupt doesn’t even begin to describe it. Hillary should be put in handcuffs, not the white house.