Affirmative Action Open Thread

So, no more Affirmative Action with one, small problem: they’re still going to do it. They have to – ideologically they are committed to two things here:

  1. That America is systemically racist and the only way non-white people can get ahead is via set-asides.
  2. You can’t indoctrinate the best of the best – so, get people in there who really don’t know and aren’t capable. Indoctrinate them and then credential them. As stupid and ignorant as they are, they’ll now be inserted into power all up and down the government and corporate bureaucracies.

There is the additional “butts in seats” thing, as usual – the more people they have jammed into the colleges, they more money they make (and via student loans, the more government dependents they create). But that is secondary to getting mindless zombies credentialled and into power.

So, how will they do it? That is, how will they violate the law?

Well, first off, they’ll only move when specific court orders force them to move – and even then only if the State and local government puts some effort into enforcement. So, we’re still just at the start of many years of litigation. And we haven’t really started in the private sector: that, too, is going to have to be sued. And that will take even longer because the private sector is, well, private: it has more flexibility. First up will likely be major government contractors and then it will spread out from there. One again: years long process.

Secondly, they’ll back-door it. They’ve already started a bit of this, starting with the dumbing down of requirements. Much easier to get the unqualified in there when you drop the qualifications. But now they’ll take it to the next step: they’re just going to stop accepting grades and test scores as criteria for admission. Oh, for some there will be a side-door requirement: the elite universities will try to pull a significant portion of their entrants from elite primary education on the theory that these people will have some minimal level of competence (they won’t over time: the elite prep schools are also rapidly dumbing down). But for most it’ll be just “we need diversity – so, without telling us your race or giving us your test scores, just what is your background”. Kids will be coached in what to say to be properly oppressed and so meet diversity quotas on the sly; and this will get funny at times as full-blown upper class crackers take advantage of it.

The point here is that you can’t just win a fight with these guys; you have to win the war. If they are defeated in one area, they’ll just try another. They never give up; they are mostly taxpayer and foundation funded and they’ve got endless resources and all the time in the world. So, we must win the war. And that is actually fairly simple in this area:

In the Red States where we have total control, fire all the woke teachers and administrators and then toughen up the academic standards for entry. In just a few years, the private sector will quietly drop the Ivy League as the criteria (though for a while they’ll give lip service to it) while they seek out Red State grads simply because such will be educated – because in just a few years, you mark my words, the Blue State colleges will be passing out diplomas to illiterates (it isn’t good enough to have diversity in, you must have diversity out…and if that means the moron gets a degree, then the moron gets a degree).

We must dismantle their power, step by step. I’ve been saying this for years and finally some halting steps are being taken in that direction. Both Trump and DeSantis are pledged to war against the Establishment…just ten years ago, nobody on our side would have thought it possible, but here we are. We’re still a long way from anything like victory…but we are moving in the right direction.

And do keep in mind that Affirmative Action is very unpopular. Polling shows somewhere around 70% against. Even in Deep Blue California, the voters banned it in 1996 and then reaffirmed the ban by a wider margin in 2020. People have a deep mistrust of any system which awards points or punishment based on anything but objective criteria.

We all understand that black Americans got entirely shafted 1776-1865 and then significantly shafted 1865-1965. Some of us are even willing to entertain some measures designed to help bridge the wealth gap caused by nearly two centuries of black Americans not being able to build wealth due to legal and social disability. But the bottom line is that no matter how unfairly anyone was treated, either you can do the job, or you can’t (and, lets face it, with each passing year there is simply less and less unfairness directed at non-whites in general and blacks in particular…Elizabeth Warren didn’t fake being a Native American in order to punish herself…she did it because it was more advantageous to be non-white than white). If you can’t do the job, then you shouldn’t get the position over someone who can.

Sure I’d like to see more black doctors and engineers (and please note that far too many black college students are channeled into the “soft” subjects). But before we send a kid to college to learn medicine or engineering there are certain minimal requirements without which the advanced education can’t even start – in other words, just to start going to medical school, you’ll need some specialized knowledge which only a relatively small number of people have the capacity to learn. And that is just to get started! To get to the finish successfully takes an enormous amount of work and intellectual capacity. And if you don’t have that then you shouldn’t be a doctor.

What we’re faced with now in the name of diversity is people who aren’t good enough at the start, cannot catch up in the process and are passed out of the system and into jobs when they do not and never did have the capacity to do it. Meanwhile, other kids who were good enough didn’t even get their chance because they came in second in the Intersectional Olympics…so we not only get more incompetent doctors and engineers than we’d normally have (any human system will allow a percentage of the worthless to slip through even in the best of circumstances), but we’re also getting fewer competent doctors and engineers.

I do feel bad for people who can’t hack it for any reason other than personal laziness. I know that in a really good system we’d be able to get far more of the best to rise to the top early so that we can cull them to get the best of the best into the most crucial areas like medicine and engineering. But I can’t fix the past – if a person today, here in 2023, for whatever reason can’t do the work then for goodness sake, they can’t do the work. There could be a score of other things they can do to be useful and productive members of society. It is ok to be an electrician rather than an electrical engineer….and by turning the guy into an electrician I’ll be getting him into a position where he’s well paid and so far more likely his children will be able to reach their full potential. I’m not here to make anyone feel good today – I’m here to help build the best tomorrow. I turn what would have been a good electrician into a bad electrical engineer and I’ll I’m doing is making a mess of things.

It is time and way past time for us to give race the heave-ho. It doesn’t matter. All the races are human; by background they have different gifts and levels of achievement (you know, like Asian kids being amazing at math far in excess of what we’d expect). Everyone is where they are right now. We can’t fix the past; all we can do is root out any remaining unjust barriers based on irrelevant criteria (like race) and move forward. We can, that is, make an ever better world – but we can’t ever make the perfect world.

43 thoughts on “Affirmative Action Open Thread

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 30, 2023 / 12:19 pm

      I know…this ruling means it will be harder for them to pat blacks on the head and say “We know you’re not as smart or capable as other races so we’re going to help you”. Now blacks who succeed will obviously be doing it on merit and be role models for other black people

      • Cluster's avatar Cluster June 30, 2023 / 12:52 pm

        … doing it on merit and be role models for other black people

        Are you saying they wont need Democrats anymore !!!

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 30, 2023 / 12:55 pm

        Well, some will still need them. Some will still need to be told that being productive is racist so being a slacker doper on the dole is a sign of moral opposition to institutional racism.

  1. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook June 30, 2023 / 10:31 am

    Who knew that Fielding moonlights as a meme caption writer?

    • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook June 30, 2023 / 10:32 am

      Too funny — I didn’t see the name Margolis in the upper left corner until after I posted it. Way to go Matt!

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster June 30, 2023 / 12:43 pm

      So good

  2. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook June 30, 2023 / 10:34 am

    I’m still laughing at this one:

  3. Cluster's avatar Cluster June 30, 2023 / 12:51 pm

    Remember when Joe told that construction guy in Florida that “no one fucks with the Bidens”? I guess that excludes Hunter LOL … it’s hard to measure the depravity and just pure white trashness of the Bidens. What a creepy family.

    President Joe Biden had made it clear to aides that he doesn’t want to hear that he should keep son Hunter away amid the first son’s ongoing legal drama.

    NBC News reported late Wednesday that the president’s mantra has been described as, ‘Hands off my family,’ according to one source.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12251087/Biden-slaps-advice-aides-son-Hunters-scandal.html

  4. Amazona's avatar Amazona June 30, 2023 / 12:51 pm

    The next time someone complains that conservatives “don’t fight back” take a look at what is happening at the Supreme Court, as Justices Gorsuch and Thomas are openly ridiculing the weak but woke whinings of the SCOTUS Squad. Thomas shredded Jackson’s sophomoric effort, and Gorsuch goes after Sotomayor, Jackson and Kagan. Both Thomas and Gorsuch brilliantly illustrate the shallowness of thought these women exhibit, and indirectly point out the inevitable result of Identity Politics—each of these women is on the court only because of a political decision that the Court “needs more women”. Jackson had extra points for her melanin content, always important when making decisions like this.

    Gorsuch dismisses the dissenting effort as “pure fiction”. Ouch.

    He starts by saying “It is difficult to read the dissent and conclude we are looking at the same case.” and ends with this: The dissent even suggests that our decision today is akin to endorsing a “separate but equal” regime that would allow law firms to refuse women admission into partnership, restaurants to deny service to Black Americans, or businesses seeking employees to post something like a “White Applicants Only” sign. Post, at 1, 16–21, 26, 28–29, 32, and n. 13, 37. Pure fiction all.

    In some places, the dissent gets so turned around about the facts that it opens fire on its own position. For instance: While stressing that a Colorado company cannot refuse “the full and equal enjoyment of [its] services” based on a customer’s protected status, post, at 27, the dissent assures us that a company selling creative services “to the public” does have a right “to decide what messages to include or not to include,” post, at 28. But if that is true, what are we even debating?

    • Cluster's avatar Cluster June 30, 2023 / 1:11 pm

      Conservatives are learning how to fight. Finally. Kudos to the Justices.

  5. Cluster's avatar Cluster June 30, 2023 / 1:10 pm

    When affirmative action is applied to athletics, then I might support it elsewhere.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona June 30, 2023 / 8:14 pm

      I don’t want racism shoved at me, and with Affirmative Action if I see a black doctor or airplane pilot I can’t help but wonder if he got accredited on his own or if he got special treatment like not having to do as well.

  6. Amazona's avatar Amazona June 30, 2023 / 7:40 pm

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 30, 2023 / 10:45 pm

      LOL

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 1, 2023 / 10:53 am

        I don’t know which I like more: “decent into irrelevancy” or “spokesracist”.

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan June 30, 2023 / 10:52 pm

      Looks like Hunter didn’t want the Biden family name sullied by the daughter of a stripper…except I can’t find that she was actually stripper. Maybe I missed something, but it certainly isn’t blazingly clear that her primary job was stripper. I mean, I’m prepared to believe it given Hunter’s background (how is he going to meet decent women?), but I’m wondering if, perhaps, a girl who took a turn or two on the pole is being called a stripper just to help the Biden’s smear her?

      I read a story today which claims that Pudding Brain has ordered his staff to stop trying to deny Hunter access. This I believe is true – the Biden’s are just the sort of people who are utter garbage but think they are awesome. The most famous family like this is the Kennedys. But at least the Kennedys have charm…the Bidens are a pack of boors.

  7. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 1, 2023 / 9:19 am

    As amazona said the other day, the day is rapidly coming when the name “Biden” is going to be one that no one is going to want to be stuck with. Who would want the same name as the new wing they’re going to have to add to Leavenworth?

  8. Cluster's avatar Cluster July 1, 2023 / 9:27 am

    LOL

    Keep in mind that Biden is still just eighty — he’ll be eighty-two next November. As of now, Americans are likely to see a slap fight between a seventy-eight-year-old who seems like he’s running out of gas, sorting through golf shirts and war plans and old copies of the New York Times where he’s circled things with a Sharpie, and an eighty-one-year-old who stumbles from one gaffe to another, and meanders around television sets like a gray ghost of Christmas past, and needs to be hooked up to an oxygen tank so regularly that it leaves indents on his face.

    Other than that, things are going pretty well.

  9. Cluster's avatar Cluster July 1, 2023 / 9:46 am

    I think Trump is going to win. Democrats have crossed the rubicon and are now firmly planted in the land of misfit toys. In reality, Democrats have become the Trailer Park Party (Trailer Park Boys!!) – they now only represent white trash, black trash, and gay trash. Meanwhile, normal Americans are flocking to support the persecuted Trump and are realizing how good America can be when normal people prevail

  10. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 1, 2023 / 11:07 am

    Robert Malone has a great guest essay this morning that ties in with this thread.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 1, 2023 / 1:18 pm

      It’s a great essay which touches on several key points. This is one: (emphasis mine)

      The lack of qualified applicants from the desired ethnicities in truth indicates something needs to be done to increase the number of qualified applicants. Given that decades of DEI policies have failed to address the root issue, this suggests more DEI policies are unlikely to fix them either.

      For example, many underrepresented ethnic minorities live in high-crime areas, making it very difficult to develop the local economy or for students to pursue long-term goals by prioritizing academic success.

      What the essay fails to note is the cultural resistance to educational success in many black communities. In a setting where educational achievement is decried and even punished for “acting white” children are going to be artificially pushed down below the surface, where they can’t thrive and learn and achieve the successes their native intelligence might otherwise indicate would be their future.

      I believe my first visit to CPAC was in 2009. At one panel discussion a local DC native, a black woman deeply invested in improving education for the children in her city, started to cry as she talked about the Obama administration’s ending of a program that paid for some top black students to attend private schools. She said this was literally the only way these kids had to escape the prisons of their communities, and our first black president was ending it.

      I think that was the first time I truly understood the sinister plotting of the Left in purposely keeping a selected demographic helpless and unable to lift itself out of economic and therefore intellectual and cultural misery, solely for the purpose of harvesting its votes. By combining severely limited educational opportunities with virulent racist propaganda, the Left had managed to create an entire population of wholly dependent and malleable human beings it could manipulate at will.

      In spite of one of, if not THE, highest per-student expenditures of money on education, the DC schools routinely turn out students who cannot read or write to do basic math, sentencing them to lives of poverty and hopelessness and, far too often, crime and violence. But it is the black community itself that enforces this by penalizing academic success. When a program was developed that allowed the parents of students who truly wanted to learn this program was shut down by the Obama administration.

  11. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 1, 2023 / 11:26 am

    From Jeff Childers:

    DC Enquirer “New York City Installs Vending Machines That Dispense Crack Pipes, Narcan As City’s Drug Crisis Worsens.”

    Crack Pipe Dealer Eric Adams

    The story is that, in order to combat rising public drug use in the City, officials in New York City installed this week brand new, state-of-the-art vending machines offering such spectacular wares as crack pipes, lip balm, and the anti-overdose drug Narcan — all for the convenience of New York City drug addicts who can’t be bothered to go down to one of the City’s many social services offices.

    I mean, who can blame them? A trip to the social services office can take hours out of a drug addict’s busy day of panhandling, tripping, and shoplifting.

    According to the story, business at the vending machines has been brisk, with officials having to refill inventory daily.

    Plans are underway to expand the machines, such as by adding syringes and additional ways to pay — including IOU’s.

    IOU’s from homeless drug addicts.

    I don’t know how these brilliant City officials keep coming up with all these terrific ideas.

    Next up: vending machines offering crowbars, hatchets, bricks, and fireworks for the convenience of looters and carjackers. This is your modern democrat party.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 1, 2023 / 12:50 pm

      Yet another story so bizarre it seems like a parody, something taken from the Babylon Bee, but as we are learning there is nothing too insane for the Left to find appealing.

      “IOU’s from homeless drug addicts”
      (Actually, this seems to be consistent with overall economic theory of the Left.)

      YCMTSU

    • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 1, 2023 / 12:30 pm

      And public comments she made prior to being nominated for SCOTUS should have told everyone that.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 1, 2023 / 12:44 pm

        Oh, we knew, but the pressure to check off another box on the Social Justice list was too strong. For some reason too many Republican Senators bought into the mantra that it was “civil” and “courteous” to rubber stamp Liberal appointees, no matter how unqualified they are or the terrible long term effects of their rulings.

        You caught something most of us missed, when Sotomayor, playing the Hispanic card, said the Court needed a “wise Latina woman”. not even aware that the word “Latina” MEANS Latin woman. She was stupid even in her appointment hearing.

        Not as stupid as Jackson, true, or as sly as Kagan who simply refused to answer questions.

    • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 1, 2023 / 12:47 pm

      As the Court’s version of Mazie Hirono she might even qualify as someone Casper will be happy to identify with.

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 1, 2023 / 1:40 pm

        Most definitely.

      • casper3031's avatar casper3031 July 1, 2023 / 3:44 pm

        I take that as a compliment.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 1, 2023 / 6:11 pm

        Thinking that being compared to Hirono and Sotomayor is a compliment is like being flattered by being compared to Joe Biden.

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 1, 2023 / 4:17 pm

        You’re predictable if nothing else.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 1, 2023 / 4:38 pm

        And so am I. The difference is that Spook and I are predictable in our belief that the Constitution is the rule of law in this country and must be followed to govern it properly, and you are predictable in your mindless trotting after every cockamamie theory that pops up, mostly out of tribal loyalty but also out of sheer ignorance.

        Naturally you love Hirono and Sotomayor—both are dismissive of the Constitution, both believe it is the role of the Court to make law and not apply law to the Constitution to determine if it is legitimate or not, and Hirono is in agreement with Sotomayor, who is very open about the fact that she rules based on the idea of “justice” and impact instead of what the law actually says.

        Oh, and both are as dumb as a box of hair.

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 2, 2023 / 12:16 pm

        Oh, and both are as dumb as a box of hair.

        I’m thinking that’s probably the part that appeals to Casper.

      • Amazona's avatar Amazona July 2, 2023 / 8:47 pm

        Appeals to or identifies with.

      • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 2, 2023 / 10:30 pm

        Both.

    • Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 3, 2023 / 11:49 am

      Justice Sotomayor even made the Babylon Bee.

  12. Cluster's avatar Cluster July 1, 2023 / 9:58 pm

    The Mazie Hirono of the Court LMAO

    Up in the Idaho mountains for the Fourth and checking out for a few days. Happy Fourth of July y’all.

  13. Amazona's avatar Amazona July 2, 2023 / 9:02 pm

    It is HOT here! To think I came back from Florida for the summer to get away from the heat. At least there I have a pool. But I’ve gotten a lot of landscaping work done in Wyoming as long as I work early and late, though it bugs me to have my computer down—I think it’s the monitor. That’s OK though—a break from the dreck is a good thing. I ran down here to Colorado for a couple of hours to pick up some stuff and will head back north for a couple of days to try to knock down my mosquito population and kill a bunch of thistles and try to avoid holiday traffic. I am not a big fireworks fan and just don’t get the noise for the sake of noise thing, so being ten miles from everywhere is a good plan for the 4th weekend. I’ve been using the midday heat as an excuse to keep working my way through the Terminal List books, and just learned that a TV series was made about it. Every time they do something like this they screw it up, but it might be worth a look.

    I was well into a pretty good murder mystery till about halfway through when suddenly it turned out the murder victim was “trans”, and it veered off into the weeds of how marvy it was to get puberty blockers and how surgery provided a fully functional set of female genitalia that looked and worked like the real thing, blah blah blah. I can return a bad audio book but might be stuck with a Nook.

    So anyway, Happy 4th to all………..

  14. Retired Spook's avatar Retired Spook July 3, 2023 / 8:47 am

    Off topic, but today’s Coffee & Covid is a must-read for anyone who is a regular on Twitter. Mark?

    I wondered last week, when I clicked on a Twitter video link, why I was required to create an account to watch it. Now I know. I’ve already forgotten the user name and password I used.

    • Mark Noonan's avatar Mark Noonan July 5, 2023 / 5:01 pm

      It was mostly a pain in the neck – I kinda get what Musk was after: Twitter probably wants to be the only entity mining Twitter for data. Made for a very herky jerky day…but basically Musk told everyone to go out and touch grass, as it were. I signed off after a couple hours of frustration and went on the next day and when I hit rate limit, signed off again. Since the third day, been ok.

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