69 Comments

• 1. Christian Wright  |  February 19th, 2008 at 6:55 am

  Breaking News: Castro just resigned.

  In other news:

  Federal Judge Robert Somma, rear-ended another motorist in his Mercedes-Benz after tying one on in a local gay bar. He had difficulty locating his drivers license in his purse, and he was wearing a little black dress.

  His wife, Wendy, says he’s not interested in talking to the press right now.

  I hope the dems bring him up the next time Bush threatens them with a recess appointment.

• 2. winnowhead  |  February 19th, 2008 at 7:10 am

  Blech. You’re parodying yourself again, Mark.

• 3. Christian Wright  |  February 19th, 2008 at 7:30 am

  Back to topic.

  I lost hope when the Supreme Court appointed Bush as president. But at the time I figured he would be out in four years and how much damage can on man cause in that time.

  Boy was I wrong. It is not just the president, it is all the people he brings with him and appoints to different offices. Then the stolen election in Ohio for another four years. Bush has been worse for America than the 10 plagues were to Egypt. He had done so much damage to the world, yet I know it is not really his fault. He is just a puppet controlled by Cheney who, himself, is controlled by corporations. Bush is just too stupid to be held accountable for his crimes. It would be like executing a mentally retarded person (oh wait, Bush has done that in Texas).

  It was easy to loose hope when you hear the president say, “The Constitution is just a damn piece of paper.”

  A vote for Obama is a chance to change the direction of history to something brighter.
  A vote for Clinton is pretty much the same old thing.
  A vote for “100 more years” McCain is a vote to send your own children to war, because there is no possible way to maintain troop levels without a draft.

• 4. plainjane  |  February 19th, 2008 at 8:01 am

  It is not just the president, it is all the people he brings with him and appoints to different offices. Christian Wright | February 19th, 2008 at 7:30 am

  This is precisely the reason I am voting for Senator Clinton. I believe Senator Clinton has the better managerial skills we desperately need right now. All departments up and down the Cabinet are broken and lead by incompetents. Many of these Republican/Neocon hacks would stay in place or be reshuffled with a McCain-Bush lite Presidency. I just don’t feel Obama has the connections to bring in the best and brightest, regardless of ideology.

  Back to the thread, I can’t deny I also thought Mrs. Obama’s words were not what we want to hear. I can speculate they were said looking through the eyes of an African American and so happy for her husband. But to be President, McCain can’t just view America through the eyes of an elderly white man. Senator Clinton can’t just view America through the eyes of a woman, and Obama can’t just view American through the eyes of an African American.

• 5. Rana Quijotesca  |  February 19th, 2008 at 8:10 am

  These are strong words for someone who seems convinced that an entire side of the political spectrum is trying to give America to “Islamofascists” (tripe) and make you marry your brother or some other lie. Take off the foil hat Mark, it might just uncover your eyes…

• 6. SEW  |  February 19th, 2008 at 8:23 am

  “devils called “Christians”, “capitalists”, “Republicans” and “conservatives” who are always out to get them and destroy the world.”

  And then we have the human form of all those things, the evil Bush monster and the evil Rove/Cheney monsters! We need Barak to salvage the world! He has a nice smile, and best of all, he is black! Yes we can! Tax and redistribute. Now! Che! Berkeley is right!

• 7. Rich  |  February 19th, 2008 at 8:43 am

  Notice how the libturds completely ignore the substance of the thread yet again. I am starting to get a bit embarrassed for you. Obama’s wife is a loose cannon, and for somone that has led a dream life to bitch about her country reminds me of spoiled athletes with million dollar promotions or million dollar rappers complaining how tough they have it on the streets. If somone as successful as Michelle Obama has lost hope for her country, the rest of us must really be screwed. Thanks god her husband is going to hope for everything to get better. Oh well, im hungry, I’m gonna go hope me up some breakfest.

• 8. liberalT  |  February 19th, 2008 at 8:48 am

  i seriously don’t understand why you are calling her a loose cannon. Are you really saying this because of the ‘first time in my adult life’ comment? How pathetic are you. Not everybody is mindlessly ‘ my country right or wrong’ and that doesn’t make them loose cannons it makes the thinking beings

• 9. Rana Quijotesca  |  February 19th, 2008 at 8:50 am

  Rich-

  The thread had no substance to begin with… It was Mr. Noonan supporting the belief of an NRO blow-hard who apparently thinks that rich people can’t comment on socio-economic trends… Seriously, do you work hard in school and graduate school only to lose your ability to approve of or disapprove of the goings on in your country? Seems like a bit of class-baiting there… huh… and I thought that that was a liberal tactic…

• 10. phil  |  February 19th, 2008 at 9:16 am

  Mark,

  I’ve been trying to bite my tongue, but with all mindless stupidity passing as political commentary on your blog it has been difficult. But now you have done it, with the above post you have caused me to resort to the sort of straight ahead truth-telling that will surely risk getting me banned from Club Noonan. But I can’t help myself…so here goes…Mark, you are a simpleton, an intellectual and moral midget, and at the base of it all, an (expletive deleted).

  Regardless, have a nice day.

• 11. InDaVa  |  February 19th, 2008 at 9:28 am

  I’m waiting for the Castro thread and how Noonan/Margolis will describe how the liberals are crying over Castro resigning.

• 12. Sunny  |  February 19th, 2008 at 9:51 am

  Mark,
  First, you took her statement out of context. She said was “for the first time in her adult life she was really proud to be an American”, with the emphasis on “really”. Now, you can interpret that to mean, she has never been proud to be an American before yesterday. Or, you can be fair and try to understand that, first, her words probably came out differently than she intended (have you ever said something that didn’t come out exactly as you intended? I have.) or more likely she meant to say that she was “really” proud to be an American because of the success of her husband and his accomplishments in this presidential race. Granted, Michelle Obama is no Laura Bush, standing silently behind her husband with nothing to say. She is an intelligent woman, a Harvard Law School graduate who held an impressive position until she resigned to help with the campaign. She is outspoken, she is lively and articulate. She is a devoted mother and wife, but she does have opinions and expresses them. Many find her refreshing and down to earth. But there always those who will criticize regardless of what she says or her intent.

• 13. LNC  |  February 19th, 2008 at 10:25 am

  Sunny… your small parsing of words hardly changes the meaning of what she said. You seem to think there is some key difference there, but there’s not.

  And LiberalT… it would hardly take a “my country is always right” attitude to have found something about America in her whole adult life to have been proud of.

  And that’s the issue that I find offensive. Sure, the last 8 years have been under President Bush, and as a liberal, surely she wasn’t thrilled about that, but…

  Before that there were 8 years of Clinton in the White House. Not one thing during those entire 8 years (even before the huge controversy came up) made her really proud to be an American?

  There hasn’t been any legislation that has passed that as a liberal makes her proud to be an American?

  All the great things America has been able to do to help other nations through natural disasters over the years, and nowhere in there has there been anything to make her really proud to be an American?

  She was an adult when the Berlin wall came down… that wasn’t worth being really proud to be an American?

  I’m sure there are countless other instances that don’t readily pop to mind, but the point is this…

  The ONLY thing in her WHOLE ADULT LIFE that could happen to make her proud to be an American is the possibility that she and her husband might be able to live in the White House?

  That to me sounds extremely narrow minded and very “it’s all about me, not about any causes I say I support, just what I can get out of it”.

• 14. Sunny  |  February 19th, 2008 at 10:30 am

  “Mrs. Obama is a loose cannon - and if they can’t talk some sense to her, she’s going to be a liability as bad as Theresa was for Kerry in 2004.” Mark

  And this statement is a crock. Michelle Obama has made dozens of speeches over the past few months with very large crowds which were extremely affective. You only wish the potential first lady for the Republican party could and would get out to campaign for her husband. Cindy McCain is a very attractive woman, and I believe would be a lovely first lady, but I have not heard one word from her. I am sure she is very intelligent and engaging as she runs her own company from what I have read about her, but I have not even seen her interviewed. But Michelle Obama is not a loose cannon - not even close. Not even a good try on your part in making such a statement. Your desperation is showing.

  I will be voting for John McCain, but not out of fear of Obama should he be the Democratic candidate - but because fiscal responsibility is an important issue to me and one in which John McCain will do better than Bacack Obama.

• 15. Sunny  |  February 19th, 2008 at 10:41 am

  LNC | February 19th, 2008 at 10:25 am
  Sunny… your small parsing of words hardly changes the meaning of what she said. You seem to think there is some key difference there, but there’s not.

  LNC, IF Michelle Obama comes out with an explaination of exactly what she meant by her statement, will you be open minded enough to listen to it and give her the benefit of doubt? I seriously doubt it, but you are quick to judge with your statement. I must be one of the few in this world who has mis-spoken from time to time, and had to explain my true meaning of those words. We are all human, and at times make mistakes. For Michelle Obama, who has been on the campaign trail day after day, speaking to large groups of potential voters, one could assume that she might speak in error on an occasion or to. I do believe that there can be a change (and in cases an huge change) in meaning when the emphasis is inteded to go to a certain word and the speaker failed to do so.

• 16. Timmy J. Rooter  |  February 19th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  “a gaffe is when a politician tells the truth”

  And, am I the only one that’s noticed that “plainjane” and “liberalT” are the same person?

  Just asking …

• 17. Timmy J. Rooter  |  February 19th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

  Michelle Obama also said, when asked if Hillary gets the nomination would she (Michelle) support her, Obama responded “I’d have to think about it.” Ouch!

• 18. Rich  |  February 19th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

  “The thread had no substance to begin with… ”

  …And yet here you are sniffing around. Do you have nothing better to do than comment in a thread you believe has no substance on a blog sponseored by people you despise? Get a hobby buddy.

• 19. SteaM  |  February 19th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

  I have seen thousands of comments on the web about this today.

  To sum it up: “how dare she!”

  Well, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

  Come on guys. I’m really thinking this speech which I watched all of was one of the best I’ve seen in my life!

  I knew what she meant. She’s proud of The People of this country for wanting to come together, rise above that which has divided us, and stand together for progress and change.

  She spoke as a real person not someone disconnected with real working people but as one of us.

  She and Barack are the good guys! Watching The People (albiet on right wing blogs) fighting against them is a tragic example of where we are as a nation.

  I am NOT proud of the citizens who are taking part in this witch hunt to oust her for making a fair and real statement.

  Again, shame on all of you! Her speech was awesome, well spoken, with confidence, with emotion. It was one of the most inspiring speeches by a politician or even a politician’s spouse that I’ve heard in my entire life!

  That’s how good the whole thing was. And so to tear her up for that one line is to throw away your patriotism for blind partisan hatred.

• 20. Timmy J. Rooter  |  February 19th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

  Michelle Robinson Obama was born into a lower middle-class hard working African-American family. Through intelligence, determination and by the grace of God, she was educated at Princeton and Harvard, married to a successful African-American politician, mother of two charming daughters.

  Barely one generation removed from Jim Crow Michelle and Obama have earned the American dream and this is the first time she’s proud to be an American?

  Audacity of hope, indeed!

• 21. Tractatus  |  February 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

  Mark Noonan lives in a very small, very dark alternate universe - peopled with devils called “atheists”, “socialists,” “Democrats,” and “liberals” who are always out to get him and destroy the world. Bravely, he stands against this, wielding an amazing conspiracy theory about how “the left” has been trying to destroy society, god, and god in society since the French Revolution and standing up against all the horrible indignities Christians suffer in America–indignities like not getting their way all the time, not to mention the unspeakable horror of the scientific method.

• 22. SteaM  |  February 19th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

  No Timmy, not the first time she is proud to be an American. She said, it is the first time in her adult life that she is really proud.

  People are not happy with the way things are going in this country. They are not happy with all of the war, the economy, health care, wages, costs of food and fuel, lack of alternatives for costly fuel, and they want change. But for their to be real change the people must stand up and be united.

  She’s proud that the public have moved to a point where they are united in that they are aware that we need to change. Some are fighting this change.

  We The People can only have real change in leadership if we earn it and to earn it is to vote for the appropriate candidate for president.

  This vote must be made with a clear mind, with open thought. We must know our candidates and what they stand for. But knowing means fact checking and researching. To soak up all that is spewed from conservative radio and television without any questioning of it’s validity and fact-checking is to be a sponge that gets, in return, poor leadership that will screw the voters in the long run.

• 23. John Ryan  |  February 19th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

  The Democrats are pretty confident about their chances in 2008. Confident about picking up even more seats in Congress and confident about winning the White House.

• 24. Timmy J. Rooter  |  February 19th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

  With all this country has offered to Michelle she isn’t proud of America? Oh, she’s really roud, not proud but really proud. I guess Michelle attended Harvard and Princton as a larvae and not an adult.

  And like an empty vessel we pour into Obama all our hopes, all our dreams and all our expectations, because he certainly hasn’t any plans or schemes or programs to get in the way of our hopes.

  I’d like to debate the issues, but I’m not hopeful; I’m really hopeful. Beyond that I’m really really hopeful that the tools wake up from this Obamamania, and soon.

• 25. SteaM  |  February 19th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

  Timmy,

  I’m sorry that you hate Michelle and Barack.

• 26. Sunny  |  February 19th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

  Timmy J. Rooter - for crying out loud, get over it. She made a mistake - not everyone can be as damn perfect as you are. Your message is getting OLD.

• 27. Timmy J. Rooter  |  February 19th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

  Are you sorry? Or are you really sorry? See, it has a diffferent meaning when you put really in front of it. Really!

• 28. SteaM  |  February 19th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

  for crying out loud, get over it. She made a mistake - not everyone can be as damn perfect as you are. Your message is getting OLD.

  Ah geez… actually I was thinking the same thing about anyone and everyone (and there are thousands of comments in blogs today about this one line from her speech) who has been offended by what she said. All the same to just ignore her point and bash her and Barack because they don’t like them.

  She should’ve chose a better wording no one, especially her, is perfect. So why are so many people worked up about this?

• 29. Some Assembly Required  |  February 19th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

  Steam,

  They are worked up because they can find anything else on the Man or his wife. Simple as that. They wish their candidates could inspire the way Obama can, in fact I’m willing to wager if McCain could get everyone as fired up as Obama there’d be a completely different message on these blogs. I’ve watched the majority of debates which Obama has participated in, I do believe McCain will be outclassed against him.

• 30. FmrMarine  |  February 19th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

  steam bath

  <<<<Timmy,

  I’m sorry that you hate Michelle and Barack.<<<<

  AHHH
  the marxist, talking points are truly beautiful!

  If Conservatives;
  Disagree = HATE!
  Dislike = HATE!
  Oppose = HATE!
  Repudiate = HATE!
  Expose = HATE!
  etc etc etc .

• 31. FmrMarine  |  February 19th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

  sar

  Earbama is a pipe dream, an empty suit, a hollow tree, a pied piper to blacks and white guilt.

  CHANGE ?
  WTF is that?
  Define change,
  marxism?
  welfare for everyone?, tax until ALL the corporations are bankrupt or leave?
  Install the NOA as cabinet members?
  What has this man done to qualify him as the President of the US?
  He is the quintessential candidate ABOUT NOTHING!
  I think half the country thinks this is a seinfeld episode.

  This is more what he really is about, DO your HOMEWORK!

  Trinity United Church of Christ
  About Us
  We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian… Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain “true to our native land,” the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
  Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
  1. Commitment to God
  2. Commitment to the Black Community
  3. Commitment to the Black Family
  4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
  5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
  6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
  7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
  8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
  9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
  10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
  11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
  12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

• 32. steveGA  |  February 19th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

  Mark,

  Where to begin with this silly garbage of yours?

  1. You deliberately quote Mrs. Obama out of context. Print the whole paragraph and the meaning becomes clearer. For someone who routinely complains about misquoting and media bias, why don’t you try to practice what you preach?

  2. You supported GWB for 8 years, through a whole mulitude of idiotic comments, flubbed speeches, and ‘accidental’ misstatements. Through all of that, you’ve maintained that GWB is a great President. Again, why not show some consistency and grant Mr. Obama that the possible flubbing of a speech by his wife doesn’t necessarily reflect poorly on his ability to lead our country?

  3. Your last comment about Mrs. Obama being a loose cannon is eerily familiar of the Republicans’ treatment of Mrs. Clinton when Bill was running for President. We get it that you don’t like your First Ladies to show any independent thought, I understand that you probably have some deep-rooted angst against women in general, but this is the 21st century: grow up.

  4. Really? Democrats don’t even have a nominee and your party’s noise machine is already resorting to this petty bullsh*t? Is that all you got? Man, we are gonna kick your elephant butt all over the place in November.

• 33. Some Assembly Required  |  February 19th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

  FmrMarine,

  Why are you getting so angry and defensive, could it be it’s starting to sink in that maybe Obama is not just an Empty Suit? Maybe his policies are fairly well laid out (especially when compared to other candidates)? Maybe he can energize a crowd and get Americans to Contribute to his campaign in record numbers?

  I lost count of how many times you posted that Trinty Church message. I disregarded it after I read it the first time, the 10th time is really not gonna make a difference. He’s Black and he’s Christian, get over it man. Do you think ‘Black’ values are any different than say ‘White’ values. Only a racist or bigot would think such a thing. Also, when has Obama ever made any claims that he is specifically campaigning so ‘Black’ people can take over the US, which if I got the purpose of your posting this, that is your point, isn’t it?

• 34. neocon  |  February 19th, 2008 at 10:47 pm

  Obama is just another evangelical taliban figure who wants to impose his vision of an oppressive government in his zeal to be “my brothers keeper”.

  And I thought liberals stood for the seperation of chuch and state.

• 35. Mark Noonan  |  February 20th, 2008 at 1:04 am

  SteaM,

  A person involved in a Presidential campaign is always completely proud of the United States of America. Period. End of story.

  Anyone who says otherwise is a fool - this is just raw politics, SteaM - and your St Obama is going to find out that its not as easy as it seems.

• 36. Mark Noonan  |  February 20th, 2008 at 1:06 am

  SAR,

  And if a GOP candidate were a member of a church which wanted to advance “white values”, just how would you view that candidate?

  Be honest - you know full well you’d call him a racist and demand he be drummed out of American political life.

  You can’t have it both ways; either Obama subscribes to that church’s teachings - which would make him a racist and an anti-Semite - or he doesn’t, in which case he should withdraw from that church and publically denounce what it believes.

• 37. Mark Noonan  |  February 20th, 2008 at 1:07 am

  Phil,

  I always have a nice day - I do wonder, though, why you don’t.

• 38. Xango Annie  |  February 20th, 2008 at 1:52 am

  Hmn..plainj.. usually comes right after, or close to CRight…just sayin’.
  If those 2 should get to the WH, we are going to get another 2 for 1 deal…
  Miz Snarl stalking the corridors of power!!!

• 39. Some Assembly Required  |  February 20th, 2008 at 7:32 am

  Mark,

  Your dodging my point sir, how are ‘black’ values any different than ‘white’ values? Our parents instill values in us, so for Hillary I’m just wondering would you say she’s for ‘mom’s’ values over ‘dad’s’?

  Any politician can be a member of any church, I’m fine by it, I may not agree with it, but it is their right as long as the candidate does not make political speech’s from the church which contributes to their campaign. Where I have the problem is when their beliefs start interfering with policy.

  Your fishing, and it’s consistently getting worse. Open your eyes, the winds are changing and pissing into them, well you know what happens when you do that.

• 40. Jeremiah  |  February 20th, 2008 at 8:03 am

  Our parents instill values in us

  SAR,

  And values are not a matter of “race,” “mom’s” or “dad’s”. But about Christian Conservative Values as opposed to Liberal sinful lifestyles.

  –Jeremiah–

• 41. Jeremiah  |  February 20th, 2008 at 8:05 am

  SAR,
  Which is your mom and dad? Christian Conservative or Liberal sinful?

  –Jeremiah–

• 42. Some Assembly Required  |  February 20th, 2008 at 8:35 am

  Jeremiah,

  I’d go with a third option, Open Minded Tolerance. you should try it sometime.

• 43. Jeremiah  |  February 20th, 2008 at 8:58 am

  SAR,

  I’d like to be more flexible on the issues, but there’s just too much at stake for America.

  It’s really got me concerned. Especially with our borders…and it’s Barack Obama that’s got me very concerned, with him as our next President, I fear that our borders are going to be open to every Nation, which means opportunities for terrorists from every side to get in. He’s already making plans with the Arab nations in Africa Thousands of Muslims will influx and they will be here just waiting for their opportunity to strike.

  Listen, friends, peace talks aren’t going to happen, because they don’t want to talk.

  –Jeremiah–

• 44. Some Assembly Required  |  February 20th, 2008 at 9:47 am

  Jeremiah,

  If someone wants to get into a country, they will. Nothing short of closing the borders completely will stop them. Also, the majority of illegals in the US came there Legally and just stayed. You are right there is a lot at stake, but it seems to me your ‘fear’ is clouding your judgment. Whereas Terrorism is not just the only thing threatening America right now. But like almost everyone here chooses to believe, the economy is fine and looking as if it will turn around. Even though gas prices just went up over $100 a barrel.

• 45. EricT  |  February 20th, 2008 at 10:05 am

  Jeremiah,

  Your right about Obama’s big plans for Africa.

  http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration/ares552e.pdf

  I think Bush has done more than enough to help all these countries around the world. Keep in mind it OUR tax money being spent. Entitlement programs and foreign aid is spending I think, really needs to be trimmed.

• 46. LNC  |  February 20th, 2008 at 10:16 am

  Some Assembly Required…

  If black values are the same as white values, then why does that church feel the need to specify?

  Obviously they believe there is some difference, even if you don’t.

  You are right that they should be one and the same. Good values are good values, period. But that’s exactly what is troubling about Obama’s church… the fact that they do differentiate, that they do draw a racial line and are trying to promote only one side of that line. I thought we were supposed to be beyond such things in this country… isn’t that what the Civil Rights Movement was about? Wasn’t that Martin Luthor (sp?) King, Jr.’s dream… that a person’s character would be more important than the color of their skin?

• 47. EricT  |  February 20th, 2008 at 10:36 am

  Jeremiah-

  When you look at a candidates 2nd Amendment stance, you can see right into the soul of that person, and how they will vote on many other issues. Someone that feels the need for heavy government regulation on guns will be the same one that will over regulate small business, big business, and get into your personal life with transfat bans, spanking the kid bans, and then, They need funds to enforce all this great stuff. So a guy that takes the risk and opens a business, or invests into the market, who may suffer a great loss if things don’t go as planned (no help from anyone when your here). However if he is successful, he just made some new friends and government will be there making sure to take their share of HIS profits.
  With more and more layers of government, and more and more entitlement programs, and foreign aid. Tax payers, small and big business are some of the biggest contributors at the U.S Treasury and more burden will be on them to pay for all they new programs. All these colleges kids, who really haven’t experianced tax hikes driving up your mortgage payment, and all kinds of other realities that a young kid don’t know about in life yet. Are blinded by Obama’s charm that the lib media propped up the Oprah.

  I think change running against, more of the same. Change will win. I noticed more young people and Black Republicans are with the Mike Huckabee team. Maybe it would be a good time for Fox and all the media to stop trashin him and take a look the “Change” platform he has, McCain is so far ahead it can’t really hurt him.
  (obama has been stealin some of Mike’s lines and ideas lately)

  I’d hate to see Obama win with GOP ideas.

  http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=718750

• 48. Some Assembly Required  |  February 20th, 2008 at 10:39 am

  LNC,

  I agree with you that it is troubling that the church chooses to define values in such a racial manner. But i also believe a person’s character should be more important than the faith in which they belong. Millions of people are Muslims and millions are Christians, yet only few by comparison are extremist. To imply Obama will manipulate the country for ‘black’ people at the cost of everyone else is slanderous.

  I can be a Rep. but vote Dem. or vice versa. Just because I’m a member of a party, club, church, etc. does not mean I go along with everything that organization does.

  I mean Bush has advisor’s who are Evangelical Christians who believe the earth was created 6000 years ago and theres no such thing as science. Again I have no problem with this, they may believe what they want and aspire to high positions of government. However I have a big problem if one starts changing policy because of teachings in their faith, or tries to convert everyone to that said faith.

  Cheers

• 49. MorrisMajor  |  February 20th, 2008 at 11:01 am

  Funny, when you describe the liberals, you are simply projecting your paranoia and hate onto them. You are a gem Mark, so utterly lacking in self knowledge and pumped up on self righteousness that you can seriously believe the stuff you say because you have no sense of irony. It’s humorous on a personal level, but when people like you get your hands on big enough weapons, it isn’t funny anymore.
  IN other words:
  “Cons live in a very small, very dark alternate universe - peopled with devils called “socialists”, “teachers unions”, “Big Government” and “jihadists” and crave a chance to shoot the bad guy down in self defense”

• 50. Jeremiah  |  February 20th, 2008 at 11:02 am

  However I have a big problem if one starts changing policy because of teachings in their faith, or tries to convert everyone to that said faith.

  That’s what disturbs me so much about Liberals, and I mean it really burns me…if you Liberals only understood how important Christianity is, and how it has shaped America, how the Constitution stems from other documents of Christian based orthodoxy.

  It is really monstrously scary how Liberalism has changed our way of Education, our VERY way of LIFE, and how the teachers are turning children against Christianity in general.

  What a shame!

  The Secular Assault on our society.

  America is in trouble!

  –Jeremiah–

• 51. Some Assembly Required  |  February 20th, 2008 at 11:11 am

  Jeremiah,

  I refuse to get into a debate with you about religion. It is ultimately pointless. You will believe what you want and I will believe what I want regardless what points are made. Furthermore we each have a right to believe what we will and I respect yours.

  Cheers

• 52. Jeremiah  |  February 20th, 2008 at 11:22 am

  Eric T,

  Yes, such a good man we have in Mike Huckabee with all the right credentials for America to set us on the course to fixing some major problems that we have, and all they want to do is trash him.

  Trash, trash, trash, trash.

  And you’re absolutely right about Obama, these teenage college children haven’t the slightest idea, because their teachers have got them so wrapped up in the Liberal indoctrination that they’re blind before they even set out. They’re intoxicated. You see all these young women fainting at his speeches. He is such a fake it’s unreal.

  I hope soon when America will get over their drunken spell, and start thinking about reality.

  –Jeremiah–

• 53. MorrisMajor  |  February 20th, 2008 at 11:56 am

  Jeremiah
  you are really upset that those college kids aren’t indoctrinated to think like you. Lacking in any self knowledge and intellectual integrity, you are projecting your attitudes onto people you know nothing about. It seems like you really don’t deal with real people, only the strawmen that you have been indoctrinated to believe run things., the dreaded liberal conspiracy.

  Being Jewish myself, I am not very receptive to your paranoia about teachers who indoctrinate their kids to hate Christianity. Your self pity is monstrous. Also being Jewish, I have to live with the fact that there are plenty of real people who hate me just for being Jewish and who wish all Jews dead, and these people have tormented me personally in my life when I was younger. Yet I don’t go around with a chip on my shoulder like you do. Most of those people were total losers anyways.

  If anything, teachers are trained to avoid religion and are castigated for either promoting or denigrating any faith. Since I have taught in a few public schools, I know what I am talking about. You, however , seem to live in a world where everyone who doesn’t think like you is some liberal enemy.

• 54. Jeremiah  |  February 20th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

  MorrisMajor,

  Hey, can’t make America change the tide against Liberalism, but I can sure express my opinion, and my concern. If you don’t believe me and want to know the truth about Education and what Liberalism is doing to our classrooms, read Judge Bork’s book, Slouching Towards Gomorrah - that book gives you just a brief incite since ‘96 a little over a decade, and in the decade, Liberalism has moved drastically toward Socialism. With 52% of the ppl. dependent on the government now…it’s not an overestimation to assume that the other 48% will be… should Obama get elected to the Oath of Office. Stalin all over again.

  seem to live in a world where everyone who doesn’t think like you is some liberal enemy.

  Hey, I fully acknowledge that not everyone is a hard-line Liberal of today’s modern standards. Yes, there are some good Independents, but I’m going to be shy about assuming “good Democrats” but yes also, in that there are some folk who are registered Democrats that vote predominantly for Christian Conservative Values, I know many. But the fact is, that’s not a good thing, because how you’re registered affects the system just as much as how you would vote IMHO. However, overall, how people vote gives you a better idea of how the majority is thinking, and over the years, they have consistently shown more trend towards immoral principles. Not a good thing; likewise, this being the case, and the Head Honchos on the left vying for power, given their trends toward Socialism, we’re looking at some very troubled times ahead…

  But hey … what can I do to change their mind and switch the tide back toward a more decent, moral, and God-fearing example in the world…?

  If I hold a chip, friend, it is a chip of love for America…and my concern for the future of this great country.

  –Jeremiah–

• 55. Some Assembly Required  |  February 20th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

  “should Obama get elected to the Oath of Office. Stalin all over again.”

  Jeremiah,

  Socialism (’Obama’, Canada, England, France) is a completely different system than Communism (Stalin, former USSR). Socialism incorporates elements of both capitalism and communism into a working model that is working extremely well for the majority of the world.

  To even compare Obama to Stalin is ludacris. When has he murder thousands of people?

• 56. LNC  |  February 20th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

  Some Assembly Required…

  You just don’t belong to a church whose basic tenets you do not believe in. By belonging to that particular church, he is saying that those are his beliefs.

  It’s not the same as associating with someone, whose beliefs could be similar in some ways, or vastly different from yours. Bush may very well have people who advise him in some capacity that hold strange beliefs, but as far as I know, he does not BELONG to a congregation that states as their core precepts that they believe that the Earth is exactly 6000 years old and all science is false.

• 57. Some Assembly Required  |  February 20th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

  LNC,

  I understand what your saying, but since he publicly announces he is a member of this church and the values are as racial as what they are, would it not hold true that this would be reflected in the policies he puts forth. Again anyone person can belong to a certain church and their values, but it does not mean they will do anything necessary to further those values. It is possible for one to believe but not preach their beliefs.

  When one becomes president of the US they take an oath which places the American people above themselves or any set of beliefs they may have. This has been undermined by Bush.

  Oh, and No, Bush does not belong to any such congregation that I know of either. I just know some of his advisor’s do.

• 58. Eric T  |  February 20th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

  Jeremiah posted this yesterday-

  God being rejected in our schools….?

  The Florida State Board of Education is getting ready to make some major changes to their school curriculum standards. There will be 18 new changes, and one of those 18 will affect Education in a profound or lack thereof in a negative way. Evolutionists are demanding that evolution be taught as “fact” and that God and Creationism be ruled out…

  What say you?

  Out of 30 answers I received, one really touched my heart…here’s what she said…

  Americans don’t want prayer in school….
  Americans don’t want God on their money….
  Americans don’t want “Under God” in their pledge…
  Americans don’t want the Ten commandments in public…
  Americans don’t want any Christian symbols in public

  Now we wonder why we have shootings in schools?
  We eliminate God from our schools and public places, and we cry out “God Bless our Nation”? Honestly, what have we given Him to bless. So, if you take out creationism, because it has to do with God, then what are you going to replace it with. Florida has some screwed up laws anyway, it is only a matter of time. This will be a battle that will carry on until His return. Let me put it to you this way, we are fighting a spiritual battle all the time.

  End Quote

  I think the part about liberalism that makes no sense is. GOD is a generic term. On the coin or in the pledge, The church + state issue might be a case If it said Allah, Buddah, Jesus Christ,
  but GOD could mean anything to different folks, to some folks God is money, power, sex, the sun,moon.

  It just boils down to mind control and tryanny, and that the democrats want to have religion removed, just like in China or Soviet Union.

  Religion gives a person a sense of right and wrong, teaches people to be honest, value life, I don’t see why it is so hated.

• 59. Some Assembly Required  |  February 20th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

  “Religion gives a person a sense of right and wrong, teaches people to be honest, value life,”

  I thought it was parents that did this?!?!

  My view on why religion is so hated is because ever since human beings have believed in one god or another they have been killing in the name of their God. The ironic this is while doing so they contend to have moral superiority.

• 60. SteaM  |  February 20th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

  But killing is ok as long as you ask forgiveness.

• 61. Some Assembly Required  |  February 20th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

  Thats right, and if you martyr yourself you receive 46 virgins.

• 62. Canadian Rationalist  |  February 20th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

  You people are all stupid.
  Religion is only a problem when it is pushed on other people. No one knows, or can know the truth about religion because it’s all up to interpretation.
  I think it’s all BS too, but that’s just my opinion.
  Public Policy should be based on secular values. If you value freedom then there’s no other alternative; unless the only freedom you value is your own, and you think everyone should have only the freedoms you agree with.
  And why is terrorism only a problem now that it’s been done by muslim extremists? Where were you neocons and Conservative Christians when Tim McVeigh blew up that building in Oklahoma?
  You people are all stupid and afraid.
  The only thing you’ve gotten almost right is saying freedom isn’t free. That’s true, but you’re dead wrong on the price. THe price is risk. The risk that someone else will use their freedoms to kill you. You’ve just got to use your freedoms to make them not want to… i.e. don’t be a dick.

• 63. Some Assembly Required  |  February 20th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

  CR,

  Have you ever watched the documentary ‘Jesus Camp’? I kept asking myself how someone could possibly vote for bush in 2004 until I saw this.

  Though I do agree with what you said about freedom I would like to add that the colour of freedom is green.

  Cheers

• 64. You be the JUDGE! at Dese&hellip  |  February 20th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

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• 65. Eric T  |  February 20th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

  I think freedom of religion is important. The problem with liberals is they want to get rid of religion. And go with one set of beliefs for everyone. The doctrine they teach can’t easily be proved so there is an element of faith, you have to have in it. but since you public school kids been hearing it your whole life, you take it for truth. Because that is what you were taught, just like the religious folks.

  What you were taught
  1. We desended from monkeys.
  2. We have to save the world from global warming.

  Anything different from this is not acceptable to the extremist liberal. I work outside, all week it has been below zero. If evolution was right their would not be any monkeys left. They would have all evolved into humans, and be computer programmers and doctors and lawyers. There is a missing link. Actually the DNC has a bunch of missin links. Wait, they are the missing links.

• 66. Eric T  |  February 20th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

  Trying to deny people the freedom of religion, is a trait of the Soviets, Red Chinese. I see attempts by liberal groups to remove a generic term like GOD, from every part of our society and it looks pretty similar to communism/mind control/ one belief/ one common good. We need keep freedom, FREEDOM. Once its gone you don’t get it back.

• 67. Tractatus  |  February 20th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

  If evolution was right their would not be any monkeys left.

  Thanks for stating your profound ignorance clearly. Like I’m constantly having to tell Noonan, if you guys weren’t so strenuously opposed to education, you wouldn’t make these very simple and avoidable (and embarrassing) mistakes.

• 68. Eric T  |  February 20th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

  Ok Tractus- An Amoeba grew something on it or something like that, lets here it.

• 69. Tractatus  |  February 20th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

  Uhhh…what are you trying to say in that post, Eric?

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