What to do With Gitmo Detainees
June 13th, 2008 at 12:26am Mark Noonan
Since the left thinks we’re being mean to them, and the SC narrowly ruled that they can be treated as other than the war criminals they are, a reader at NRO’s The Corner comes up with a solution to the entire problem:
Let’s free all Gitmo detainees…on a vast, deserted, open and contested Afghan battlefield. C-130 gunship circling overhead for security. Give them all a two minute running head start.
After all, we picked them up on the battlefields of the War on Terrorism, so no objection to putting them back on to the battlefield, and then dealing with them as one deals with any enemy who has not surrendered.
Harsh joking aside, all this SC ruling does it make it less and less worthwhile for us to even take prisoners in this struggle - we’re dealing with people who strap bombs on autistic children and send them off on suicide missions…and the ivory tower types wish to treat this as an episode of “Law and Order”! The world isn’t a theory, good people; it is a very real place where very real people do very real things - and when someone opts to become part of a terrorist outfit, one takes the risk of a horrific death and rough treatment if captured.
Entry Filed under: Justice System, President Bush, War on Terror
33 Comments
1. Jeremiah | June 13th, 2008 at 1:12 am
They won’t listen, Mark.
It’s going to take something Super Tragic before they’ll even come close to understanding.
Liberals, U.S. Supreme Court = One great big sham!
2. bongoman | June 13th, 2008 at 1:16 am
But not all Gitmo detainees were detained on the battlefield.
3. Mark Noonan | June 13th, 2008 at 1:32 am
bongo,
You say so - and thus they are innocent lambs. Is it ok if we let them stay with you?
4. Mark Noonan | June 13th, 2008 at 1:33 am
Jeremiah,
Roberts, in his dissent, got it very right - even to pointing out that all this ruling really does is ensure a long running legal battle over the issue.
Much better if the Court had just deferred to Congress and the White House as the much more competant authorities to deal with such an issue.
5. french student | June 13th, 2008 at 1:36 am
YEAH
Screw constitutional rights and the supreme courts!!
Let us just slaughter them all, God will know His own!!
THAT is the american way!!
Seriously, Mark, do you even read the stuff you post?
6. french student | June 13th, 2008 at 1:38 am
BTW, this post goes straight to fstdt.com
7. Jeremiah | June 13th, 2008 at 1:45 am
That’s for sure, Mark.
I don’t know where Supreme Court gets these unbelievable decisions….they act like they just don’t care or something, anymore. I don’t know.
I know one thing…too many major wrong changes taking place way too fast….people need to be thinking.
8. bongoman | June 13th, 2008 at 1:52 am
So would you wish to also massacre those Gitmo detainees who have been cleared for release?
Do you wish to shoot them down in cold blood as well? What about the ones who have already been released? Would you have wanted to shoot them as well. You know, the ones picked up by bounty hunters and delivered to the US military.
Oh, I see. It’s a ‘harsh’ joke. Hilarious.
9. Mark Noonan | June 13th, 2008 at 2:03 am
French,
Do you read what I write?
10. Mark Noonan | June 13th, 2008 at 2:04 am
bongo,
Answer the question: can we let them stay with you?
11. Jeremiah | June 13th, 2008 at 2:10 am
Well, bongoman, it sure looks like you and french student care an awfully lot about humanity and America…
You would say the same thing that you project onto us if we were being attacked by a foreign country “Kill ‘em all, let God sort em”, right? Thousands of Americans? only you’d be telling the true intent of your hearts then…which is about as warm as lake Erie in January and 6 feet of snow on the ground.
You’re wedded tight, my friend, to that liberal fanaticism, and it’s got you hen whipped till you’re going in circles.
12. Ken | June 13th, 2008 at 2:12 am
Maybe the Code Pink ladies could adopt them. If these detainees are so innocent and harmless then the Code Pink families should have no problems at all taking them in.
13. dickvee | June 13th, 2008 at 2:17 am
I vote that the first three released get a full week vacation with bongoman. Then we’ll see if his righteous attitude of right for combatants stands the test. A large proportion of those who have been released killed again…so I suppose those hard core prisoners would love to stay with a liberal mutt. Maybe even a french student with no charm, just a bad attitude.
14. kjstrouble | June 13th, 2008 at 3:41 am
These are prisoners of war, captured (for the most part) outside of the United States. Lets follow the Geneva Conventions (even though they would not do so for us) and let it go. If you are unsure of the likelihood of them following the Geneva Conventions, look at how they have treated those “enimies” they have captured.
15. Dennis | June 13th, 2008 at 3:45 am
Let’s not forget the detainees who were released after years of captivity after being found guilty of nothing. Many original detainees were rounded up purely for ransom (see http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0507-05.htm ). There are a few of those still in the mix.
The point is, you don’t kidnap people, torture them and deprive them of all rights. You will radicalize a number who were previously innocent and turn them into implacable enemies.
The Bush admin lives in fear of the numerous problems it has created, and is trying to pass that fear on to the American people. Sorry, I’m not buying.
16. bongoman | June 13th, 2008 at 4:12 am
The pro-lifers here who’d happily slaughter these people without any due process are missing the point that Dennis mentioned.
Many are simply innocent and were bounty-hunted. This has been admitted by the Administration. But you would summarily execute them? Where is your morality?
I though we were better than that.
17. kjstrouble | June 13th, 2008 at 4:15 am
So, Bongo, how many detainees do you want sent to you?
18. Kurt | June 13th, 2008 at 5:36 am
French Student
You are still a “student” because you fall into the “yet to be educated” crowd.
When you are a “former student” let us know.
19. french student | June 13th, 2008 at 5:52 am
Mark : Yes I do
“take no prisonners” seems pretty much like what you are saying
Kurt :
I am. I actually am an IT engineer. I keep this alias for continuity’s sake
20. OldEuropean | June 13th, 2008 at 7:42 am
What about guys like Khaled Al Masri, Murat Kurnaz or the Uigures - people who were simply at the wrong place when the USA responded to the 9-11 attacks? Worst of the worst? Captured on the ‘battlefield’? I didn’t even know Macedonia was a battlefield.
In the case of Al Masri no battlefield was even close - all he did wrong was travel inside Europe (no battlefield here). Too bad for him some Al Kaida guy exists with the same name. Enoughh for him to be detained with no rights to challenge his detention. Worst of the worst? Yeah, right. Life destroyed nonetheless.
The Uigures? Poor, uneducated farmers trying to survive - captured in Afghanistan just after 9-11 - hadn’t even heard about it. Still they were sold by bounty-hunters, sent to Gitmo. Lifes destroyed. They haven’t seen their families ever since and will most probably never see them again. Can you imagine that - being kidnapped, with no chance to see your kids ever again? Where is the humanity? If you see one of the documentarys about them it is really hard not to cry. Poor souls, now living at some military base in Albania. I just can’t figure out how some of you guys act so merciless, cold as stone.
And I can’t hear that BS about difficult times, America under attack etc. anymore. If I am right you are not the only country that was attacked (London, Madrid etc.), but unlike the USA Spain never had to change laws in order to prosecute the people involved in the attacks. They never had to suspend the constitutional rights of habeas corpus. Btw. - neither did the USA after WWII - no torture or depriviation of legal counsel for the worst of the worst Nazi-guys at the Nuremberg trials.
And what about the great Benjamin Franklin: “He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.”?
21. Retired Spook | June 13th, 2008 at 8:46 am
bongo,
You say so - and thus they are innocent lambs. Is it OK if we let them stay with you?
Mark, it sounds like it may be time to dust off the ol’ L.A.R.K. Program.
22. neocon | June 13th, 2008 at 9:26 am
If only liberals cared as much about justice for people like Richard Armitage and Scooter Libby to name a few.
It’s nice when you can dial up or down your outrage at justice depending on your agenda.
23. Chuck | June 13th, 2008 at 11:52 am
My brother in law is a guard at Gitmo. He’s told me some stories about these “innocent” people being held there.
These people talk about killing Americans, and how much they enjoy it. Many of them say they can hardly wait to get released, so they can kill more Americans, and that they are going to have ten sons, and will teach them all how to kill Americans as well.
Yeah, these people are poor victims of the evil Bush regime.
Isn’t it funny how the liberals cry about how wrong it is to keep these people imprisoned, but then turn around and say that President Bush should be put in prison for standing up to the Muslims thugs?
Oh well, all we can do is vote McCain, and hope to keep the liberal insanity out of the White House.
24. hermie | June 13th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
You catch someone in the field with a gun firing away at American troops, and now you have to go in front of a jury to prove it happened?
The problem is that it took 7 years for this to get to the court. By then, the cries of the terrorists’ supporters remained strong, while those who wanted to be protected from them, went on their way, and eventually their voices died out.
25. BARRASSO | June 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Kill everyone I am scared of say the conservative cowards. Not a single ‘conservative’ here can admit that there have been and may still be total innocents at gitmo. Kill them all and let god sort them out, just like the Jihadis do. High moral standards, you all should be very proud of your brave stand.
26. yekepyt | June 13th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Is it so much to ask that we be required to prove someone is guilty of something before being allowed to lock them up indefinitely or execute them?
Detainees at Gitmo can’t be classified as “prisoners of war” because Congress hasn’t declared war. What we refer to as the “war on terror” is more accurately described as an aggressive, ongoing foreign policy. And our policy of combating terrorism through whatever means we find necessary (military and/or diplomatic) will never end, so keeping them as pseudo-POW’s in the “war on terror” is the same as keeping them indefinitely without ever having to prove their guilt… is this really ok by anyone here? If so, then we’ve really lost our center as a society with respect for human rights!
27. Jeremiah | June 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
BARRASSO | June 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Why don’t you just roll over and play dead, you might fool the terrorists.
28. Tractatus | June 13th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
It’s nice when you can dial up or down your outrage at justice depending on your agenda
It certainly seems to be your preferred M.O.
You say so - and thus they are innocent lambs.
Of course, that’s your ridiculous conclusion, not his. Learn to read and try again, Noonan. Let me know if you need any help with the big words.
29. Kahn | June 14th, 2008 at 12:47 am
BAR-aSS-hO**
It is clear that most “liberals” have no military experience or perspective. Less than 16% of the military claim to be Democrat. But I digress.
Read “With the Old Breed” by E.B. Sledge. The foe we face is VERY similar to the Japanese we faced in W.W. 2. I don’t mean they have the power of Japan. I mean the hatred and ruthlessness.
Really. Read it. It has nothing to do with glory, believe me.
30. robert w. blunt | June 14th, 2008 at 7:13 am
The Court ruled that the Constitution means what it says: the Writ of habeus corpus can only be suspended by Congress in times of actual invasion when the courts of the land cannot operate.
Conservatives constantly rant about judges who deviate from the “original intent” of the framers. Well, this time, the Court enforced the Constitution just as the framers intended. Deal with it!
31. The Watcher | June 14th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
“My brother in law is a guard at Gitmo. He’s told me some stories about these “innocent” people being held there.
These people talk about killing Americans, and how much they enjoy it. Many of them say they can hardly wait to get released, so they can kill more Americans, and that they are going to have ten sons, and will teach them all how to kill Americans as well.”
Good. Then when we try them, we’ll have evidence to use against them. Just, let’s make sure we introduce the right evidence against the right people.
Why in the world anyone would support holding people for 7 years without a trial is simply beyond me. If they’re guilty, they’re guilty. They’ll go back to Gitmo. Why is due process so frightening to conservatives?
32. Myzone | June 15th, 2008 at 2:58 am
Deleted - off topic.
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