Suicide of Europe Watch
August 10th, 2008 at 08:48am Mark Noonan
Europeans Moslems can’t seem to decide if gays should be executed, or not; rather run of the mill stuff for Moslems these days, but the real problem is how the government of Norway reacts:
For a case in point, I will refer the reader to an episode I’ve mentioned previously in this space — an Oslo debate last November at which the deputy chairman of Norway’s Islamic Council, Asghar Ali, refused to reject the death penalty for gays. When Senaid Kobilica, the head of the Islamic Council (which represents 60,000 Muslims), was asked where he stood on the question, he replied that he couldn’t give a definitive answer until he got a ruling from the European Fatwa Council. This week it was reported that he’s still waiting…
…What’s most chilling about all this, however, is not the positions of these Muslim leaders but the reactions of the Norwegian establishment. Or, one should say, the lack of reaction.
Consider this. After last November’s debate, it emerged that Asghar Ali not only was deputy chairman of the Islamic Council but was also on the board of the Oslo Arbeidersamfunn, the largest and most influential association within Norway’s ruling Labor Party. Asked about Ali’s views, the head of the Oslo Arbeidersamfunn, Anne Cathrine Berger, lamented that some people “can’t see the difference between a board member’s views and the organization’s views.” Despite scattered calls for his dismissal, Ali remained on the board. (When a new board election was held in February, Ali chose not to run again.)
That’s not all: Ali is, in addition, secretary of the 37,000-member Electricians’ and IT Workers’ Union…
…As for the Norwegian government, there has been no serious effort, as far as I know, to rescind from the Islamic Council its half million kroner a year in state support.
Does anyone in Europe realise that these peoples’ intentions are serious? They do propose to out-breed and out-immigrate non-Moslems and eventually take over and force through Islamic law. While European governments put the final touches on gay marriage the Islamists look forward to the day when they can hang all the gay people - the decision Europe made after World War Two to entirely secularise and welfarise Europe has proven disasterous on all levels, but the worst part of it seems to be that the will to live has gone out of the European population (or is it that during two world wars the best and bravest sacrificed themselves so much that there wasn’t enough physical strength to continue?).
There still is a living remnant in Europe - that small segment of the population which refused to surrender its Christian European identity. What remains to be seen is whether this remnant will be able to take over from dying secularism before the Islamists do. And we’ll also find out whether the United States will have to come to Europe’s rescue, again.
Entry Filed under: Foreign Affairs, Life Issues, Popular Culture, Racial Issues, Religion, Social Issues, War on Terror
85 Comments
1. neocon | August 10th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Ironically the gays will have to rely on the hawkish conservatives to save them proving once again that concern and loyalty from liberals is always dependent on their own personal and political cost.
Considering Iraq, we now know at what cost liberals will abandon their global neighbors pursuit of personal freedom and liberty.
2. SEW | August 10th, 2008 at 9:49 am
What a bind for liberals. They want gay rights but don’t want to offend the rights of Sharia law to conquer the universe. And besides, Sharia might inflict physical harm them if they speak out! Ouch! So they cower under their tables like the MSM teaches them to do through their deeds. Can’t we all just get along?
Peace
3. CanadianObserver | August 10th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Deleted - off topic.
4. neocon | August 10th, 2008 at 10:17 am
CO,
While he vehemently laments their actions, I have never seen Jeremiah advocate the death penalty for gays.
But your post does expose liberals dishonest and desperate attempt to deflect valid concerns of Islam by parsing the Christian position.
You are unattractively transparent.
have a nice day
neocon
5. Sorta Blogless Sunday Pin&hellip | August 10th, 2008 at 11:00 am
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6. extramedium | August 10th, 2008 at 11:57 am
That’s a bit of melodrama, wouldn’t you say Mark?
Being that the percentage of Muslims in most European countries is less than 3%, we’ll have a good long time before we have to worry about “old” Europe being swallowed up by Islam. Furthermore, the Muslim populations show no signs of breaking out of their powerless, underclass status in any of the non-Muslim countries.
Also, a big thing you fail to bring into the equation is that while Christian belief has waned in Europe, ethnic pride and bigotry against foreigners remains very strong. I’m quite sure these folks will preserve their precious ways of life, with or without Christianity… or America. I’m sure Europeans would find your suggestions otherwise quite arrogant.
7. Jeremiah | August 10th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
America stands on the edge-of-the-cliff the same as Europe with Barack Hussein Obama poised to render his socialist/anti-family/anti-American/Pro-Islamic agenda.
This is the crossroads - A prime opportunity for Americans of all stripes to come together in one accord and decide which direction they wish to go - European Socialism or Judeo-Christian American Freedom?
8. Mark Noonan | August 10th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
extra,
All the Euro-bigotry in the world won’t help Europe if they don’t have children…the problem might be small, now, but Europe is already crawling in the face of Islamist threats…what makes you think that when Moslems make up 10% of the population that they’ll start to find their backbone?
9. extramedium | August 10th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Mark,
What will happen if they don’t have children? They of course ARE having children but I take your point about the lower birth rates of first-world cultures verses third-world cultures. But how do a powerless, moneyless, uneducated third-world minority pose a threat to the first-world establishment? Do you imagine that the these countries are going to hand the reigns of power over to a third world minority? And if you think that Muslims are going to “breed” themselves into a majority, who do you reckon is going to pay for that? Right now a good deal of them are on welfare. How does it all work, this apocalyptic vision of yours? Do the Brits just evacuate to another country and hand their estates and gleaming cities over to guys driving around in Toyota pickup trucks filled with illiterate men toting AK-47s?
I don’t get how we get from here to there. And what do you suppose anyone can do about it anyway? What is your call to action, and to whom is it directed?
10. congressive | August 10th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
The one and only solution to this problem is the complete exposure of the fraud behind all religions, Christian, Muslim, Hindi, Bahai, Scientology, bla bla bla.
Delusional men controlling fearful sheep pretty much sums up all world religions. Science will trump ignorance in the long run, anyway, so let’s speed it up, people.
I’m not holding my breath.
11. FmrMarine | August 10th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
con;
>>>I’m not holding my breath.>>>
To BAD,
do us all a favor and do it…..lets say for about 10 minutes!
12. Jeremiah | August 10th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Science will be killed one day, Regressive, and you’ll look back and say…
“Gee, Golly WOW! … I always wondered how all this happened!”
13. Canuckguy | August 10th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Mark, Mark, Mark:
–What’s with the deletion of CO’s post? It was there long enough for Neocon to comment on it and by his rebuttal, it seems that it could not have been that ‘off topic’.
–A sign of insecurity when you delete and censure.
–You are like the prim librarian shushing the talkative students.
–BTW, where is Spook?
14. pelirrojo | August 10th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
neocon, jerry has repeated his, dare i say desire, that anyone gay be executed. he has even proposed that workplaces give people a form, asking if theyre gay, if they tick “yes”, the police will come and get them. and yes, he is your run of the mill fundie.
15. FmrMarine | August 10th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
pel
>>>asking if theyre gay, if they tick “yes”, the police will come and get them. and yes, he is your run of the mill fundie.>>>
HORSE CRAP,
YOU are the run of the mill ANTI CHRISTIANS.
However this is not about Christianity…it is about islam and their murderous ways.
16. FmrMarine | August 10th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Kanuk,
>>>–What’s with the deletion of CO’s post? >>
CO is an idiot, nobody here cares what he has to say.
Keep him in frogland where he belongs, we arent interested in his Kanadian marxism.
17. pelirrojo | August 10th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
no, I’m not opposed to christians, im opposed to fundies forcing their will on everyone else. I’m opposed to people like jerry claiming if you don’t agree with them then off with your head (or in this case on with the noose).
some quotes:
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There’s nothing that says we have to accept a lie, Mark. And the lie is that the act of homosexuality is “normal” - If we hung 70 years ago, we can hang them just the same today.
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Jerry, killing is wrong, but you want to make it law that killing homosexuals is OK, why do you want to make something so wrong acceptable?
No, pelirrojo.
It’s not “killing” ….. It’s PUNISHMENT for doing WRONG!!!!!!
We DON’T stand for WRONG!!
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I can’t find the quote i was refering to at the moment (got no idea which thread it was on, he talks about killing gay people all the time). But how is this any different? your average christian fundie is no different to your average islamic fundie.
18. FmrMarine | August 10th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
pelirro;
your average christian fundie is no different to your average islamic fundie.
BULL CRAP.
http://ballyblog.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/terrorists-are-muslims-list-of-islamic-terrorist-attacks/
19. FmrMarine | August 10th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
http://www.snappedshot.com/archives/2609-Wafa-Sultan-On-Sharia-Law.html
20. bongoman | August 10th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
FmrMarine, you must have been away on the numerous days that Jeremiah has called for gay people to be killed (as well as doctors/nurses/women procuring abortions).
Not quite sure if he went as far as the death penalty for mixed-race couples, but he sure as hell ain’t happy about them.
Anyway he’s lurking here - why don’t you ask him FmrMarine what the resident fundy here wants to do to gay people rather than denying it blindly.
21. congressive | August 10th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Islam is not the problem. All religions are the problem. The trend is good, though. Over the past few hundred years, science has been gradually shrinking the influence of religious superstitious nonsense on public policy and law.
Someday religions will all fit into Grover Norquist’s bathtub.
And on that day, you will all finally realize that only I know the true will of God, and you will all bow down to me or face eternal damnation.
Or some such horsepucky.
22. Jonathan | August 10th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
>>>asking if theyre gay, if they tick “yes”, the police will come and get them. and yes, he is your run of the mill fundie.>>>
HORSE CRAP,
FmrMarine - he actually did say what pelirrojo stated about everyone’s favorite nutcase, Jeremiah.
23. Jeremiah | August 11th, 2008 at 2:26 am
I mention the fact that we need Sodomy laws in America and the whole lot of you Liberals go ballistic, that’s just about like you.
I desire Sodomy laws for the simple reason that we need to maintain a modicum of decency in the public square.
To allow same-sex couples to marry will have far reaching consequences across this country for the Christian people.
Christians should not let it happen!
It will be a disasterous chain reaction should a ban on same-sex marriage not be a success this coming November - All public institutions will be changed to give privileges and supposed “rights” to sodomites that would never be upheld, and were never upheld in this country in the past.
Marriage has always been recognized by the definition as between ONE man and One woman since the beginning of time.
God does not, and will not change to meet the sinful wants that man desires through his disobedience.
You know, it just struck me, the Muslims, the reason they are the fastest growing religion in the world, although not the largest, is that they love each other, and are willing to die for one another, but for all the wrong reasons…if I might add that…if reality is recognized in the Islamic community, it’s each man for himself working for the whole, so in most cases, they don’t mete out justice through the law, but on law by the Sword…and that, my friends, will never get you anywhere; it’s not sane thinking.
If they were to create laws on sodomy that people could recognize and understand that they do not allow it as a fair warning that they require decent public order and carry their judgements out in a responsible manner, then they would have a sincere and competent government…as it is, they are nothing but mad people, bent on destruction of the Western world…And just like Mark mentioned in the thread on Russia and Georgia conflict, these same people who live by the Sword are watching to see if the Free World is going to stand and have the guts to do something to stabilize and cease conflict among nations.
However, I’m afraid that Secularism has captivated to many Nations in order for any real significant peace to arise as a result of any actions that we may take, but waiting only adds to the difficulty and complicates matters even more. So, right now, I main strategy should be prayer at this point in time, and #2 is getting people, Christians, that is, who will have the get-up and go about them, getting involved in organizing people, warning them of the immediate imminent dangers of voting for Barack Hussein Obama - Barack Hussein Obama is the greatest threat that we face in the present tense, and it is crucially dependent upon each voter to be armed with the Truth on their side enabling them to make the right decisions when the day comes to make that crucial decision of putting our Nation on the right course, the course for Victory.
So, you better know who you’re voting for, and what they stand for, so you will have ample opportunity to ask yourself, ‘Is this who I really want to vote for?’
In the end, the call for Obama should be a resounding NO!
Thank You, and God bless America!
24. Jonathan | August 11th, 2008 at 4:08 am
Maybe it’s the fact that the sodomy laws you propose, to be quite frank, go against the principles this country was founded on.
And who the hell are you to decide what is decent and what isn’t?
Oh, please.
The whole f’in world won’t become engulfed in flames if Adam & Steve decide to tie the knot.
Get over your homophobic tendencies and join the human race.
25. Jonathan | August 11th, 2008 at 4:21 am
And you figure that, how?
You know, just becasue a band of brainwashed, religious militants hijacked four commercial jets and slammed them into two buildings, that doesn’t mean that the rest of the Muslim population are as crazy and violent as their counterparts.
26. Kingdom Advancer | August 11th, 2008 at 7:22 am
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26075383
Take a look at where the left is leading this country. We seem pro-gay bills secretly attached to troop funding bills for wars, we see the left cheering on gayness and homosexual marriage.
I think Mark is right, the Left will reduce the population with abortion and also by promoting homosexuality. And the end result will be a decline in populations of Europe and the U.S. Just like in our country, the Baby boomers are retiring and there are not enough workers to replace them so, workers get imported from Mexico, ect…
A working guy like myself can’t afford to have kids, because our taxes are so high, to pay for retirees, on Social Security and people on welfare, who get co-op housing, food stamps, ect…
27. FmrMarine | August 11th, 2008 at 9:59 am
jonathan;
You IGNORE the dangers of islam, while fearing Christianity, you truly are a FOOL!
This is what we Christians believe and why we believe it.
YOU seem to ignore 200 + years of American jurisprudence, which made homosexual acts a criminal offense. One court ruling erased all of that.
Homo’s are todays “typhoid marys” spreading disease and illness through anal intercourse with each other.
Their life spans are 20 years less than their hetro peers.
http://www.albertmohler.com/documents/HomosexualityBible.pdf
28. js | August 11th, 2008 at 10:02 am
about the man boy love situation in arab culture;
arab men wrote sonnets to pretty boys they desired; one of the oldest recollections in writting of arab cultures noted the strangeness of men and boys walking hand in hand in public frolicing in thier forbidden lusts…..
so the truth is, the modern convenience of rejecting arab culture was the equvalence of a death sentence only a few hundred years ago…even mohammad spoke of young boys and beautiful virgins as rewards for those who go to heaven….the modern rejection or acceptance of what the Judeo-Christians believe to be a sin in islam is a conflict with the teachings of the koran and the haddith…because the proper interpetations of arabic literature in the koran and haddith reject men falling in love with boys as wrong, not the abomination of the physical body, or the act of sodomy, as the sin…because (once again) arab culture accepts the practice of sodomy with young boys by thier populations as a means of stopping youthful lusts from becoming sin…because when they lust for women, it is considered adultury…
even so…under sharia today…they try to manipulate the meanings…of the koran and the haddith…taking ambiguous statements…and altering the conception through modern attitudes….rejecting the traditional view of the arab culture…and taking what was once acceptible behavior….and turning it to unacceptible…for no more than the image they portray to non muslim peoples…in an attempt to portray islam itself as something it is not…
so, in essence, many of mohammads companions and soldiers were homosexuals…having had sodomistic relations with one another to slick thier lust for women…by using boys instead…and they were also rewarded with women as booty after a battle…who became sex slaves for sale for the most part…as mohammad set new rules that having sex with slaves is not considered adultery…the only thing mohammad considered a sin about homosexuality was when two men fell in love with each other and became emotionally attached like a man and a woman do….
29. FmrMarine | August 11th, 2008 at 10:03 am
ka
>>>>because our taxes are so high, to pay for retirees, on Social Security and people on welfare, who get co-op housing, food stamps, ect…>>>
Dont lump those on social security, with those sponging off the system.
I have PAID hundreds of thousands dollars INTO SS.
If this had been invested over the last 50 or so years it would be worth MILLIONS.
The govt squandered it on the other issues you mentioned, and those who collected while paying NOTHING into the system.
30. Kingdom Advancer | August 11th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Fmr Marine-
When I can’t work anymore, I hope Social Security will be there for me. I’m just talking about too much taxes. You see alot of people getting freebies and hand-outs. If you paid into SS your whole life it is more like a bank account and your making a withdrawl.
31. CanadianObserver | August 11th, 2008 at 10:16 am
I think Mark is right, the Left will reduce the population with abortion and also by promoting homosexuality.
27. Kingdom Advancer | August 11th, 2008 at 7:22 am
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If Mark is indeed right, Kingdom Advancer, perhaps to counter this alarming trend, those on the Right should be more diligent in their efforts to reproduce by preventing all right-wing abortions from taking place and, of course, by casting out all right-wing homosexuals from the ranks.
Those efforts alone should make up for the actions of the evil Left.
32. js | August 11th, 2008 at 10:26 am
SS has no guarantee of benefit…if it were an “account” then you would have more than a 400.00 death benefit…and if you die at 25, 45 or 65…nobody gets anything but your burial benefit….the government keeps it all….
so if you think its your money in there, think again, its not an account….but an accumulation of wealth….for ineffective burocratic regulation to give to illegal imigrants and those who recieve sanctuary in our country from despotic rulers…and the rest is a portion of welfare entitlements for the welfare state….
33. Jay Gaultieri | August 11th, 2008 at 10:29 am
It looks like Mark deleted CO’s post in order to keep the thread from going way-off topic into discussion of Jeremiah’s rants. Mark failed of course.
Back on topic, the nations of Europe (most nations in the world, actually) aren’t really designed to bring in new people in any real numbers. The guest worker immigration policies of the EU have caused the creation of second and third generations of Moslems walled off in government-subsidized ghettos that are breeding grounds for radicalism and violent unrest.
Mark points out a paradox of the liberal mindset—tolerance of the Third World Moslem mentality that has nothing but intolerance for others—but nationalistic movements are on the rise around Europe. However, the European right, for the most part, laughs at the hard right here in America. This persecution of homosexuals, shame and disgust for the human body, and and rabid concern for what other people are doing for fun baffles them.
34. js | August 11th, 2008 at 10:51 am
ya right…
and the paris riots were just a staged media event…just like the fact that muslims petitions the nederland government to set aside a portion of land for an independent islamic state within nederland…to be ruled by sharia….
its pretty shady to infer that the europeans love the muslims enough to hand over thier independence and future without a shot being fired after the muslims tried to conquer europe several times of the last few thousand years….
mark is right….the EU is headed for a gigantic civil war….against islam
35. Jonathan | August 11th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I’ve met real Christians in my lifetime. notice the emphasis on ‘real.’ I mean people who’ve actually walked the line when it comes to the message of Christ (i.e. - loving thy neighbor, helping the poor, the least of our society, etc.), not your hateful sort. I don’t fear sane, rational, and moderate Christians, but I do fear brainwashed, hatemongers such as yourself and Jeremiah.
Because we all know that heteros don’t spread HIV and STD’s….it’s only them f*gs who do it!
Please.
36. js | August 11th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
so who is your neighbor jonathan? was it the people of iraq under saddam hussein…when 500,000 of thier children died of dysentary while saddam build delux accomodations in city size resorts complete with every concievable amenity for a disney style complex, so he could make a political point to discontinue sanctions? where were you, standing next to scott ritter while he recieved hundreds of thousands of dollars from saddams regime for his acts of treason..or were you standing in front of thier hospitals playing human shield for iraqi ADA? or maybe you joined the marines, eh? and backed everything you could to stop it right?
right….
37. js | August 11th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
“Because we all know that heteros don’t spread HIV and STD’s….it’s only them (sexually confused people) who do it!”
You are right, heteros dont normally get wacked on drugs and go out and get freaky with everyone like homos do…that accounts for the 30% higher STD infection rate for homo relations due to promiscuous behavior….it might not make any difference, but 78% of all homosexuals have insidents of an STD….even today…homosexuals account for ovevr 50% of AIDS cases….but only represent 1.5% of the population…
38. Retired Spook | August 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
–BTW, where is Spook?
Canuckguy, nice to know you care (with apologies to Casper for ripping off his phrase). I’m lurking in the background. My father passed away a couple weeks ago, and, as executor of his estate I’ve been tied up with busy work. Plus I still have a day job, and there just hasn’t been a lot that I’ve felt compelled to comment on lately.
As far as this topic is concerned, I don’t seen most of Europe doing anything until it’s too late. Fortunately, I won’t be around then. As Mark notes, most European countries have anemic birthrates except for Muslim communities. It may take 2 or 3 or maybe even 4 generations before Islam takes over most of Europe, but I don’t see any way to avoid it considering the current mindset among most middle class white Europeans.
39. Canuckguy | August 11th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Sorry about your father, Spook.
A parents death is always hard to take.
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I was wondering about you since you were one of the few who was on the same page as me about the mortgage situation, how it was going to explode. This was discussed I believe back in 2006 and voila, it is worse than I expected.
40. Canuckguy | August 11th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Fmrmarine stated: “CO is an idiot, nobody here cares what he has to say. Keep him in frogland where he belongs, we arent interested in his Kanadian marxism”
I believe he is the only other resident canuck on this site so, you know, we two canucks got to try to inject a sense of reality into you right wing knuckledraggin’ neanderthalls.
41. Sunny | August 11th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
“A working guy like myself can’t afford to have kids, . . ” Kingdom Advisor
That is a pretty crummy excuse to never have a child. You want to blame the left for the reduction of the population in the US, but to say you cannot have a child because you cannot afford it just does not make sense. One has to be willing to make the sacrifices but it is so worth it. You need to rethink your position. And if you decide not to have children, you have no right to critize others that choose not to have children.
42. Sunny | August 11th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
sorry - it is Kindgom Advancer
43. Retired Spook | August 11th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
I was wondering about you since you were one of the few who was on the same page as me about the mortgage situation, how it was going to explode.
I recall that discussion. I’m actually amazed it hasn’t turned out worse than it has. And it isn’t just in North America (in keeping with the topic of this thread). Rasmus was painting such a rosey picture of Denmark the other day, I did a little research on the Danish economy. They have had 2 straight quarters of negative growth, the classic definition of a recession, and much of it has been due to the mortgage and banking crisis.
Thanks for the kind words about my dad. He was just a week short of his 89th birthday. It was his time, and he was ready. All the family gathered from all over the country and said our goodbyes over the course of a weekend. He went to sleep after we all left his room and drifted off early the next morning with my brother and his wife by his side. If we had had a direct link to God, I doubt we could have done much better.
44. FmrMarine | August 11th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Cguy?
>>>we two canucks got to try to inject a sense of reality into you right wing knuckledraggin’ neanderthalls.>>>
That is what every panty waisted, pinko commie lib thinks.
Nice try but no cigar, by the way ill be enjoying the news in a few years when you Kanuck homos are being beheaded in the square under your newfound sharia law!
enjoy marxism, as soon it will be replaced by islam……
45. CanadianObserver | August 11th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
41. Canuckguy | August 11th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
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I wouldn’t give what FmrMarine has to say much credence, Canuckguy.
He is just trying to fill the void that was left by Keefer who, no doubt by now, has been set straight by the good folks in England.
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My condolences, Retired Spook, on the passing of your father.
46. Some Assembly Required | August 11th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
“He is just trying to fill the void that was left by Keefer who, no doubt by now, has been set straight by the good folks in England.” - CO
lol, if I were to guess I’d say he probably mentioned ’soccer’ in a London pub.
PhoneyMarine, Steven Harper, Canada’s Prime Minister is a conservative, some would even go as far to call him Bush’s brother in law. Your really not doing American’s any favors. It’s almost so stupid it’s funny. By the way, how’s the sister? Still as lose as ever? (couldn’t resist)
As for the topic, I really do not see what the big deal is. They will not introduce mandatory sharia law. Islam itself is an extremely peaceful religion. If it becomes popular who cares. Oh, FYI, crying about it like you do is a form of intolerance too.
47. FmrMarine | August 11th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
sar;
>>>They will not introduce mandatory sharia law. Islam itself is an extremely peaceful religion. If it becomes popular who cares.>>>
uh huh; i believe that was the mindset in Germany when the brown shirts started their ascension to power.
Im SURE Mr BERG would dispute that if they hadnt cut his head off while videotaping it.
http://ballyblog.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/terrorists-are-muslims-list-of-islamic-terrorist-attacks/
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/theo_van_gogh.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52004
http://www.yourish.com/2007/04/19/3021
48. js | August 11th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
the only thing for sure about canuks are that they keep following americans…wwi…wwii…vietnam…and now they just caught on to the anti war movement from the 60s and the 70s….
whattaya expect its cold up there!!
49. FmrMarine | August 11th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
sar
>>>By the way, how’s the sister? Still as lose as ever? (couldn’t resist)>>
she is your mother, you should know you have had her more than anyone.
50. js | August 11th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
46. Some Assembly Required
“Islam itself is an extremely peaceful religion”
Christians & Jewish martyrs say; “I will die for what I believe”.
A Muslim martyr says; “you will die for what I believe”….
Madam Speaker, I acknowledge that there are people who call themselves Muslims and who respect our laws. My party, the Freedom Party, has nothing against such people, of course. However, the Koran does have something against them. For it is stated in the Koran in Sura 2, verse 85, that those believers who do not believe in everything the Koran states will be humiliated and receive the severest punishment; which means that they will roast in Hell. In other words, people who call themselves Muslims but who do not believe, for example, in Sura 9, verse 30, which states that Jews and Christians must be fought, or, for example, in Sura 5, verse 38, which states that the hand of a thief must be cut off, such people will be humiliated and roast in Hell. Note that it is not me who is making this up. All this can be found in the Koran. The Koran also states that Muslims who believe in only part of the Koran are in fact apostates, and we know what has to happen to apostates. They have to be killed.
http://www.sonsofapesandpigs.org/2008/03/geert-wilders-1400-years-ago-w.html
51. Some Assembly Required | August 11th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
awe, sounds like someones jealous…
52. CanadianObserver | August 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
48. js | August 11th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
the only thing for sure about canuks are that they keep following americans…wwi…wwii…vietnam…
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Sorry to burst your bubble, js, but Canada was fighting WWII before the U.S. joined us and the other allies. And Canada never did follow the U.S. into the Vietnam debacle.
You need to stop getting your facts from Ms. Coulter. She is not the brightest bulb on the block nor the most reliable source.
53. Some Assembly Required | August 11th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Christians & Jewish martyrs say; “I will die for what I believe”.
A Muslim martyr says; “you will die for what I believe”….
I’ve helped you out above js. 95% of people who practice both faiths are not martyrs and do not want to fight in a holy war or Jihad.
Be honest, your an intolerant little man aren’t you
54. js | August 11th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
46. Some Assembly Required
“Islam itself is an extremely peaceful religion”
Over the last 1400 years, 270 million non-believers were murdered by Muslim jihadists. Not to defend thier homes, but to force Islam upon every population that Islam ever came into contact with.
Islam destroyed the Christian Middle East and Christian North Africa. It is estimated that upwards of 60-80 million Christians were slaughtered during this conquest.
Also, half the Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80-100 million Hindus murdered.
Islamic jihad also destroyed over 10 million Buddhists.
In other words, Islam is a killing machine.
And you call that Peaceful?
55. js | August 11th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
you got your head up your duff again canuk, but thats normal…canadians did follow the us into vietnam…as peacekeepers…what a joke that was…and wwII…canada was still a part of her majesties imperial England….and followed England by 5 days in a declaration of war…oh sorry, they followed the Brits then…but…oh…they built planes for the Brits, and trained pilots for the Brits…ya…they just followed….even so…merchant shipping was under attack…
what happened when they tried to lead?
“Tactically, it was an almost complete failure.”(Lotz 104) In the end, it was calculated that 1946 troops were captured, 2210 escaped, and 907 died while the Germans suffered only 333 casualties, 121 of which died.
56. FmrMarine | August 11th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
JS
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/18/AR2007041802591.html
57. js | August 11th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Some Assembly Required
“Be honest, your an intolerant little man aren’t you”
thats not quite true is it? then again, you always have to draw false conclusions to hide behind your lies and selfish egotistical blunders…you resemble a one legged guy in a butt kicking contest on his way to a gun fight with a butter knife…
quite comical, honestly
58. js | August 11th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
its right on target FmrMarine
just like the millions of Christians in Sudan that are dead, enslaved or were forced to convert to stay alive….
islam is a cancer, not a religion, and its system of governance is total, you either submit, or die.
59. FmrMarine | August 11th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
JS
ahh yes the religion of pieces
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFTGNGja6vI
60. What? | August 11th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
js writes:
“islam is a cancer, not a religion, and its system of governance is total, you either submit, or die.”
So, I guess we have no chance in maintaining a democratic Iraq seeing as the vast majority of its populace practices islam.
I wish we had your insight before we invaded.
61. Some Assembly Required | August 11th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
You dig up a couple of articles and clips on the internet and think you have proved some major point that Islam is devil worship. Get real. There are fundamentalists of all shapes sizes colors and species. To link each faith with such people is preposterous. It’s the equivalent of saying all American’s blow up buildings with day cares in them because McVeigh did. Or all Canadians cut off each others heads because one man did on a Grey Hound bus. Search through all the crimes ‘Christians’ have done. Shoot, in the 50’s white Christan’s were performing lynches on black men because they thought they were superior in God’s eyes. Don’t you get it, it’s just a pi$$ing contest. My God, your God, his God, her God. Which God is right and just? They all preach the same underlining principles of being good to one another. If you really were ‘Christian’s’ you would accept and acknowledge this. Just true believers of Islam do.
Did you ever stop to think maybe if you didn’t shove your religion on other people, or look down on them because you go to church on sunday maybe there wouldn’t be such a problem. Maybe if you didn’t look at a Muslim and tell them their God doesn’t exist we’d have less of a problem with them.
It’s called Tolerance. Acceptance. Decency. Understanding. You go off on me js, because apparently in calling you intolerant I struck a nerve. It’s ok, first part is admitting. You became hostile because deep down you know it rings true. People are always the most defensive when they feel they are exposed.
Fmr, you just come here to get your rocks off and get people arguing. simple as that. I really have a hard time believing you believe even a quarter of what you say. You just throw out whatever possible stereotype of slur you can think of to get a response out of someone. You certainly must lead a very interesting life to come here for some excitement.
It’s all gravy in the end. The only statistic that truly matters is simple. It’s one thats unavoidable and irrefutable. 10 out of every 10 human beings die!
62. Canuckguy | August 11th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
js | August 11th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
“the only thing for sure about canuks are that they keep following americans…wwi…wwii…vietnam”
Just to add to CO’s rebutal, you ignorant ass.
We entered WWI soon after it started in 1914, the USA joined in 1917, johnny-come-latelys though welcomed never the less. Canadians were considered shock troops, feared and respected by the Germans.
As for WWII, The USA waited until they got creamed at Pearl Harbour in Dec 1941 before waking up to the danger.
–True we were part of the imperial British empire for WW1 but by WWII, we were fully independent and joined out of loyalty to the mother country recognizing the nazi evil for what it was. I recall reading how some American corporations traded with the Germans in the early war years.
I don’t know what defeat the Canadian forces suffered that you are referring to but we had our setbacks for sure(Dieppe) but over all we have a proud record in that war. And the American forces did not get a bloody nose at times? Yeah, right!
You left out the Korean War. We joined the UN sanctioned effort though certainly not to the degree the US did. Bloodied American noses there with the war ending in a stalemate.
And Vietnam, yeah, that was a fine victory for the USA. BWAH WAH WAH.
What does the ‘j’ in ‘js’ stand for? Must be ‘jerk’
63. Canuckguy | August 11th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
A nuggent of wisdom from FmrMarine:
“…by the way ill be enjoying the news in a few years when you Kanuck homos are being beheaded in the square under your newfound sharia law! enjoy marxism, as soon it will be replaced by islam”
FmrMarine, you’re funny. As funny as Jeremiah. This place needs more comic relief. Thanks.
64. Some Assembly Required | August 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
“you resemble a one legged guy in a butt kicking contest on his way to a gun fight with a butter knife…”
If I have one leg and I’m in a butt kicking contest how would I possibly be on my way to a gun fight? Man, that was as weak as FakeMarines momma joke earlier. (I ragged on his sister, then he called her my mother… figure that one out.)
65. Jeremiah | August 11th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
The only statistic that truly matters is simple. It’s one thats unavoidable and irrefutable. 10 out of every 10 human beings die!–SAR.
SAR,
Yes, and that’s an important point, and really not to be taken so lightly a tone as you’ve given it.
The end, is just the beginning….see this … (Y) We normally associate that as a sign of peace…’Peace, dude’ Like in the hippie days. Well, take just moment and think of it as forks in the road, and as you get closer the forks, you must make a choice, ‘Which way do I want to go?’ All you have to do is remember is this - Jesus said, ‘It’s not My will that any should perish, but that all would come to repentance.’ Now, whether you choose to accept God’s love and forgiveness and ask Jesus to come into your heart is entirely up to you…you are free to do whatever it is you choose to do. God loves you, and has given you a free gift.
That’s what the Muslims are missing, and even though we are pre-destined to die, I don’t anyone should have to die and have their life shortened by some crazies who followed a fanatical prophet (Muhammad) that is burning in Hell right now.
There is a lot of confusion among the world’s Christian community as well, to many people, they will take any little thing and try to convince others that this or that is the “mark of the beast”; but it just simply cannot be gone about that way, because it winds up in a lot of hatred toward each other on many accounts. This confusion is a tactic of Satan, and he uses it in the form of Secularism.
If you truly want to know what the ‘Mark of the Beast’ is, just think of it in a personal way.
If I’m not living according to what God’s Word tells me, and I just live however I want to…then I have the ‘Mark of the Beast’ written on my forehead, I am selected as one of Satan’s followers, and thus, not written in the ‘Lamb’s Book of Life’.
That’s how you know!
You see, the Islamists think it’s a literal, physical, flesh and blood battle, but if we read God’s Word we can find that that just simply is not the case…because it opposes the permeable nature “fear of the Sword’ which is Islam.
What does the Bible say? ‘Fear not that which can kill the body, but what can kill both soul and body is hell.’ And that says, IN THIS LIFE, if we are not striving to do the will of our heavenly Father, then we will give an account for those deeds done while still in the body. Talk about fear, when we stand before the Almighty Judge. People talk “Atheism” now, but there will be none on that Day. “Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, that, yes indeed…Jesus is LORD!’
Is He Lord of your life?
66. Some Assembly Required | August 11th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Jeremiah, I just ignored most of your post after reading the first couple lines. I am not religious, I do not, well, I’m not closed to believing in God, I’m just not set in being told how, why or for what purpose to worship him/her/it. As for the afterlife, thats not what this thread is about and though I’d love to get into some form of metaphysical debate with you just for the simple face of blowing your tiny little mind, I differ.
Instead I will ask you one simple question. Exactly how many times have you died to garnish such knowledge? My point stands.
67. Jeremiah | August 11th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Instead I will ask you one simple question. Exactly how many times have you died to garnish such knowledge? My point stands.–SAR.
Just once…’Dead to sin, and alive in Christ.’
You see, we can change our minds a hundred thousand times in the here and now if we want, but when we lay this body down with our last breath, that’s it, no more chances…so I take it on faith, you see. I know Jesus loves me, because of what He done for me, and I want to do my best to show that I accept His free gift, and want to follow Him.
So many people say, “Christian Salvation is not free” … Well, you’re wrong, it is free, because God enabled you with a choice, knowing that you have a choice … He gave you the ultimate sacrifice -FREE!
So, we will either choose to be with God or be without Him.
68. Some Assembly Required | August 11th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
ugh, no jeremiah. Died as in your heart stops, no brain functions, death certificate, buried, the whole nine yards. If you have not, you, nor I, nor anyone else really knows anything about anything after death. It’s all just theory and imagination in an attempt to shield ourselves from the possibility of nothingness.
Which brings me back to my original point, Islam / Christianity is all gravy. In the End everyone dies. From the riches kings to the poorest laborers. From the Pope to the Pegan. Religion will not save you from death. It’s all just a story to shield ourselves from the possibility of nothingness. You may choose to believe, you may not. Thats up to the individual, but to claim one is better than the other is preposterous. This is even without considering history and underlining principles of both.
What I am speaking to is the true form of religion, all religions. The Do unto others, don’t steal, love and be loved stuff. Not the mixed up turd furgeson brand of faith some people lump into the mix.
69. Jeremiah | August 12th, 2008 at 12:14 am
The Do unto others, don’t steal, love and be loved stuff.–SAR.
There’s only one place that those traits can come from, and it is not from within us, but from God…Agape Love - Godly Love.
Which brings me back to my original point, Islam / Christianity is all gravy.
This is the Secular message that creates anarchy, just as the argument that there is “No right and wrong” and “No one knows the truth” that is the excuse that the world creates in order that they may feel no conviction in the sin that they wish to participate in, in other words they love the world and all the nastiness that goes with it….this is the Eros love - Worldly, Physical love, which is Paganism of sorts…love or satisfaciton in the feelings of the world, in material things. It is confined to this world and will not go outside it, because flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
70. Jonathan | August 12th, 2008 at 2:32 am
SAR, this quote from America’s greatest humorist truly sums up our favorite religious fundamentalist, in a nutshell:
I cannot prove to him that he is insane, because you never can prove anything to a lunatic — for that is a part of his insanity and the evidence of it.
-Mark Twain
71. js | August 12th, 2008 at 9:10 am
there you go again canuk, misrepresenting the truth….
canada, as a colony and was induced into wwi by the brittish declaration of war…they didnt do anything of thier own accord…same as every other war…
and face it…you really put down a lot of words that dont say much, canada has yet to initiate action on its own…bloody nose…you mean the failure to be able to capitalize when put into a leadership possition? do you thing thats why they waited 5 days to enter ww2? because they didnt want it to appear that they were trying to take the lead in any matter involving liberty and freedom and justice? LOL….face it canuk..you are not much more than an opinionated imp with a revisionist view of canadian “glory”….
72. js | August 12th, 2008 at 9:28 am
any ya, a one legged guy in a butt kicking contest tries to hop along as fast as fast can be….on his way to a gun fight witha butter knife, eh? then again…your imagination is a bit dull if ya cant picture that…its pretty darn funny!!
73. Jay Gaultieri | August 12th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
JS,
Did you even bother to read my post? When did I say that “…the europeans love the muslims enough to hand over thier independence and future without a shot being fired…”? Oh, that’s right, never!
All I said was the nationalist movements in Europe aren’t as socially conservative as the hard right (i.e people like you) are here. The founder of the modern Dutch nationalist movement was openly gay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn
It makes sense that someone who is gay, or likes going to nude beaches, or enjoys a glass of wine, or likes to dance, or whatever would not be thrilled with the idea of a violebt regressive immigrant Moslem culture that didn’t want to assimilate. But you just can’t your head around the idea that someone who is patriotic could also not be a book-burning prude who can’t stand the idea of other people not having fun.
74. Some Assembly Required | August 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
69. Jonathan | August 12th, 2008 at 2:32 am
Agreed, though I always thought Huxley was spot on WRT religion.
“The Gods are just. No doubt. But their code of law is dictated, in the last resort, by the people who organize society; providence takes its cue from men.” - Aldous Huxley
75. js | August 12th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
actually jay…the shallow nature of your idea’s really dont impress me…if you stand in the light and look into the darkness…you see things quite clearly…but if you stand in the darkness with no light…you are pretty much left to guess whats out there…islam is not a judeo christian religion…and mohammad was not a prophet of God…i very much weigh this whole thing in a solid state of knowledge and understanding of these spiritual things…you can not get good fruit from a bad tree…islam is a bad tree…there is no light in mohammad or the koran nor can you hope to find any peace in the religion of the warlord of arabia…
76. FmrMarine | August 12th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
canuckGUY;
>>>What does the ‘j’ in ‘js’ stand for? Must be ‘jerk’>>>
kanada is full of pantywaist “GUYS”, and girlymen.
surely you live up to your name.
77. CanadianObserver | August 13th, 2008 at 9:37 am
you can not get good fruit from a bad tree…islam is a bad tree…there is no light in mohammad or the koran nor can you hope to find any peace in the religion of the warlord of arabia…
75. js | August 12th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
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One more ignorant example of glorifying one religion while defiling another.
This juvenile insistence on “my God is better than your God” is a pathetic attempt at appearing to be superior to hide feelings of inferiority.
Those who are secure in their spirituality have no need for this nonsense.
78. Some Assembly Required | August 13th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Those who are secure in their spirituality have no need for this nonsense. CO
And those who are comfortable with their sexuality rarely consider gay rights an issue. Interesting how that works.
79. js | August 13th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
there goes the stooge patrol again…two mental midgets sitting on a log comparing stupidity….you ever get to wonder why they bother getting back up because they always fall over…
its pretty simple to see CO…you dont know God…because if you did…you could never make such an ignorant statement…and sar…well…sar and aids are part of the same disease co has…being strong enough to stand up for the truth just isnt a trait either one of them emulate or respects…
but then…whattaya expect from stooges?
80. Some Assembly Required | August 13th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
78. js | August 13th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Bravo js, really. SARS was the disease that hit Toronto very hard. Well done. I’m sure you haven’t alienated anyone at all with your implcation that aids is only a disease among homosexuals either. Been to Africa lately?
Whats the matter js, have we made you stop and question your position in life? Are you starting to realize all those years of pointing to the bible have been meaningless? That your life has been wasted. I know it’s a hard thing to take being that insignificant.
Oh, as for you nut cases and your Islam vs Christian fundamentalism and who is worse. Do a little research into the ‘pro-life’ Christian movement. I believe there was one fello in particular by the name of “Eric Robert Rudolph” you might want to look into.
81. Jay Gaultieri | August 14th, 2008 at 12:31 am
“you see things quite clearly…but if you stand in the darkness with no light…you are pretty much left to guess whats out there…islam is not a judeo christian religion…and mohammad was not a prophet of God…i very much weigh this whole thing in a solid state of knowledge and understanding of these spiritual things…you can not get good fruit from a bad tree…islam is a bad tree…there is no light in mohammad or the koran nor can you hope to find any peace in the religion of the warlord of arabia…”
JS, what the the hell does that have to do with anything I posted? When did I post ANYTHING supportive of Islam on this blog? You’re not even bothering to read anything I posted.
82. js | August 14th, 2008 at 7:40 am
80. Jay Gaultieri
just the demonstration that you cant connect the dots jay, is a complete vindication of anything that you represent…thanks for that !!
79. SAR
can you comprehend the words that you are reading? good…then please stop trying to put words into my mouth moron….
83. Some Assembly Required | August 14th, 2008 at 7:58 am
81. js | August 14th, 2008 at 7:40 am
Thats rich coming from you. You really should take a course in projection.
Did you look at the link I posted js? Your pretty quite about it. Seems you don’t mind digging in someone else’s closet but like to ignore your own.
84. js | August 14th, 2008 at 8:09 am
projection? is that what you call it? i call it lying…then again….liars go to great lengths to disingeniously disguise thier deceptions…they normally hide behind charades to evade the truth…you are no different….number three stooge…and i really didnt indulge myself in the intricacy of your mental midgetry by running a fools errand to your link…its pretty much a waste of time….
so stop putting words in my mouth and then trying to bash me for it stooge
85. Some Assembly Required | August 14th, 2008 at 11:01 am
liars go to great lengths to disingeniously disguise thier deceptions…they normally hide behind charades to evade the truth…
Like the Church and the problem they are having with alter boys?
“and i really didnt indulge myself in the intricacy of your mental midgetry by running a fools errand to your link…”
A link, I might add, which proves Christian fundamentalist blow up things and kill innocent people too.